Anyone else have a problem with the DX11 move?

wildxbambib14a_ESO · March 2016

so i have to chime in. im a casual pc gamer at best and am a bit ignorant and misinformed about what is necessary and needed to run a game. Maybe it's because im in school and my focus was on school and not on every message ZeniMax would send out to me, because i had no idea that Zenimax made it clear that ESO moving forward will be DirectX 11 compatible or higher. I am in no way shape or form against changes to better the game because obviously games need to evolve with the new technologies and features coming out. Yes, im a poor college student and its my own fault that i havent updated my sh!t since 2012. I totally understand that.
But i dont get something.
I feel like there has been alot of misinformation being thrown out on the forums lately. Because first when the crashes first started with people running Direct X 10.1, they were saying that in 2014 was when Direct X 11 came out. But now im seeing that Direct X 11 came out in 2008. So im not sure which is the accurate information.
I bought my laptop in 2012, so i would thing that my computer would run Direct X 11. Unless its the kind of graphics card i have in my laptop that can't run Direct X 11, which honestly isnt anything special.
Just with someone who is kinda noob-ish at technical computer stuff, i would just like to understand it a bit more. My boyfriend is building me a nice gaming desktop that hes going to start working on now since i cant play ESO on my laptop anymore. I am at least lucky i have that to look forward to.

Selstad · March 2016

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO wrote: »

Selstad wrote: »

It's never fun for those who can't play due to these changes and there's really nothing that can be said to make it better. I understand though why Zenimax made that decision. DX10 is a standard that's 10 years old now, and a lot has happened on the graphic department since then. With a new standard looming on the horizon, there really aren't time and resources to keep 3 graphical standards alive and under development (DX10, 11 and 12). Something has to give.

I think it's necessary for them to focus on the "most recent" DX standard that most people are using, at the unfortunate sacrifice of the few who don't have DX11.

DX11 has been out since 2009, and a wast majority of players have already a Windows 7 environment with a DX11 supported card. That's just how things are, and from a business perspective, it makes sense to "cut away" old technology and move forward.

I agree with what you say however, everyone has harped on about Steam hardware survey, and for the last 2 months the most prominent GPU has been DX8 or lower. The stupid thing is though for the previous 3 months DX11 was number 1. So, a tough one to explain.

ZOS are working on DX12, I posted a thread earlier about it. If ZOS can't maintain DX9 and DX11, then what do you think is going to happen when ESO is running DX11 and DX12? My advice, be ready for DX12 before ZOS is.

Steam survey isn't that good though, it's always been jumping up and down like mad most of the time. I think the most correct data is what Zenimax has themselves based on players connecting to their servers.

I don't think DX12 will be "mandatory" just yet, Windows 10 is too "young" still to make that transition. But I guess that in 4-5 years, DX12 will be more or less mandatory for a lot of games, given that Windows 10 manages to build its base.

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO · March 2016

Selstad wrote: »

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO wrote: »

Selstad wrote: »

It's never fun for those who can't play due to these changes and there's really nothing that can be said to make it better. I understand though why Zenimax made that decision. DX10 is a standard that's 10 years old now, and a lot has happened on the graphic department since then. With a new standard looming on the horizon, there really aren't time and resources to keep 3 graphical standards alive and under development (DX10, 11 and 12). Something has to give.

I think it's necessary for them to focus on the "most recent" DX standard that most people are using, at the unfortunate sacrifice of the few who don't have DX11.

DX11 has been out since 2009, and a wast majority of players have already a Windows 7 environment with a DX11 supported card. That's just how things are, and from a business perspective, it makes sense to "cut away" old technology and move forward.

I agree with what you say however, everyone has harped on about Steam hardware survey, and for the last 2 months the most prominent GPU has been DX8 or lower. The stupid thing is though for the previous 3 months DX11 was number 1. So, a tough one to explain.

ZOS are working on DX12, I posted a thread earlier about it. If ZOS can't maintain DX9 and DX11, then what do you think is going to happen when ESO is running DX11 and DX12? My advice, be ready for DX12 before ZOS is.

Steam survey isn't that good though, it's always been jumping up and down like mad most of the time. I think the most correct data is what Zenimax has themselves based on players connecting to their servers.

I don't think DX12 will be "mandatory" just yet, Windows 10 is too "young" still to make that transition. But I guess that in 4-5 years, DX12 will be more or less mandatory for a lot of games, given that Windows 10 manages to build its base.

I'm not sure that ZOS can get type of information from machines connecting to their servers. Under the UK Data Protection Act 1998, they should only be taking information of actions your character is doing. Anything else out side that and you're on thin ice. And the EULA doesn't exempt it from law. However, you can voluntarily give up that information in the form of a bug report but you must know what information is being sent first before submitting.

Anyway SDK has finished downloading, be back soon.

FleetwoodSmack · March 2016

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO wrote: »

@IndyWendieGo No worries, thanks. I'm trying the DX SDK thing to see if it works, down loading it at the moment, I'll post what happens later.

Just tried that dxcpl fix again after this hotfix and I couldn't even get to the character selection due to the timeouts. Then again, this card is ANCIENT. So if you have at least a 1gb card, you might get past that. When TG first came out I had gotten in to at least tell my guilds that I'm in that I won't be on for a bit due to it, but anything lower than a 1gb GPU, don't try to stress it. Simply wait until you can upgrade.

Also, do you have a link to that SDK? I might need that later for this new rig in case I have to install a buncha stuff on it.

I'd think it'd come with it though since it says that it's Windows 7 and the integrated card is DX11 compliant, but just in case!

WalkingLegacy · March 2016

Volkodav wrote: »

I have heard of the eventual coming of DX12 as well,in rumors in the forums but nothing official.So,this new inexpensive card I just bought might not support that too.
In other words,every couple of years,I may need to buy another video card,..on and on and on.With no end of money having to be spent.
I guess I'll have to buy another one in a couple of months if mine only supports DX11,and save it for that ugly rainy day to come. XD

What card did you buy?

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO · March 2016

Ok, I've installed the latest DX SDK and it doesn't work.

The reason being there is no option in the latest SDK to Force Warp which is required. The following link explains.

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/answers/id-1973140/run-dx11-game-dx10-graphics-card.html

I've done a little bit more digging and came across this...

https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/gg615082(v=vs.85).aspx#capabilities

It does have a way to do it, but I'm not going to do it as the solution is for Win 7/8.1 and I'm on 10. The game is good, but not good enough to do the Microsoft runaround. Honestly, what is on the site makes sense but it doesn't actually tell you how to do it, so unless you are fluent in Microsoft English, then I wouldn't attempt it.

Selstad · March 2016

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO wrote: »

Selstad wrote: »

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO wrote: »

Selstad wrote: »

It's never fun for those who can't play due to these changes and there's really nothing that can be said to make it better. I understand though why Zenimax made that decision. DX10 is a standard that's 10 years old now, and a lot has happened on the graphic department since then. With a new standard looming on the horizon, there really aren't time and resources to keep 3 graphical standards alive and under development (DX10, 11 and 12). Something has to give.

I think it's necessary for them to focus on the "most recent" DX standard that most people are using, at the unfortunate sacrifice of the few who don't have DX11.

DX11 has been out since 2009, and a wast majority of players have already a Windows 7 environment with a DX11 supported card. That's just how things are, and from a business perspective, it makes sense to "cut away" old technology and move forward.

I agree with what you say however, everyone has harped on about Steam hardware survey, and for the last 2 months the most prominent GPU has been DX8 or lower. The stupid thing is though for the previous 3 months DX11 was number 1. So, a tough one to explain.

ZOS are working on DX12, I posted a thread earlier about it. If ZOS can't maintain DX9 and DX11, then what do you think is going to happen when ESO is running DX11 and DX12? My advice, be ready for DX12 before ZOS is.

Steam survey isn't that good though, it's always been jumping up and down like mad most of the time. I think the most correct data is what Zenimax has themselves based on players connecting to their servers.

I don't think DX12 will be "mandatory" just yet, Windows 10 is too "young" still to make that transition. But I guess that in 4-5 years, DX12 will be more or less mandatory for a lot of games, given that Windows 10 manages to build its base.

I'm not sure that ZOS can get type of information from machines connecting to their servers. Under the UK Data Protection Act 1998, they should only be taking information of actions your character is doing. Anything else out side that and you're on thin ice. And the EULA doesn't exempt it from law. However, you can voluntarily give up that information in the form of a bug report but you must know what information is being sent first before submitting.

Anyway SDK has finished downloading, be back soon.

They can gather basic system information as long as it's not sensitive and don't violate the acts of privacy, for diagnostic purposes. Most system with a server / client base has some sort of basic gathering measurements like this, but it's really strict on what you can gather, and how you use that information.

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO · March 2016

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO wrote: »

@IndyWendieGo No worries, thanks. I'm trying the DX SDK thing to see if it works, down loading it at the moment, I'll post what happens later.

Just tried that dxcpl fix again after this hotfix and I couldn't even get to the character selection due to the timeouts. Then again, this card is ANCIENT. So if you have at least a 1gb card, you might get past that. When TG first came out I had gotten in to at least tell my guilds that I'm in that I won't be on for a bit due to it, but anything lower than a 1gb GPU, don't try to stress it. Simply wait until you can upgrade.

Also, do you have a link to that SDK? I might need that later for this new rig in case I have to install a buncha stuff on it. I'd think it'd come with it though since it says that it's Windows 7 and the integrated card is DX11 compliant, but just in case!

I'm calling it a day to be honest. Can't say if I'll be back in game in the near future or not depends on a whole host of good luck coming my way which I have to be due now. Although I did win on the Euromillions last night... So if I get the same win another 4,500 times I'll have a system that's way future proof

EnemyOfDaState · March 2016

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO wrote: »

EnemyOfDaState wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO wrote: »

ZOS are working on DX12, I posted a thread earlier about it.

Exactly where did they state they are working on DX12? That would mean forcing all players who run Windows 7 to upgrade to Windows 10... and there are many of us who have no interest in doing that.

Unlike DX10 I'm pretty sure DX11 will still be supported since it is the industry standard they are just working on DX12.

Want to place your house as a bet on that?

Sure it's not a difficult bet.

FleetwoodSmack · March 2016

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO wrote: »

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO wrote: »

@IndyWendieGo No worries, thanks. I'm trying the DX SDK thing to see if it works, down loading it at the moment, I'll post what happens later.

Just tried that dxcpl fix again after this hotfix and I couldn't even get to the character selection due to the timeouts. Then again, this card is ANCIENT. So if you have at least a 1gb card, you might get past that. When TG first came out I had gotten in to at least tell my guilds that I'm in that I won't be on for a bit due to it, but anything lower than a 1gb GPU, don't try to stress it. Simply wait until you can upgrade.

Also, do you have a link to that SDK? I might need that later for this new rig in case I have to install a buncha stuff on it. I'd think it'd come with it though since it says that it's Windows 7 and the integrated card is DX11 compliant, but just in case!

I'm calling it a day to be honest. Can't say if I'll be back in game in the near future or not depends on a whole host of good luck coming my way which I have to be due now. Although I did win on the Euromillions last night... So if I get the same win another 4,500 times I'll have a system that's way future proof

I know what you mean about that luck part. Had this not fell around when I was going to pay my personal property/real estate tax, I'd have a bit more of a better budget to get things on. Hoping that this rig runs it. It's an integrated Radeon R5 series, so I'm not entirely too sure how close it is when I get it, but the good news is, it's got a PSU way more powerful than my current one. Let's just hope I don't shove other things into it that makes that wiggle room go away.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · March 2016

EnemyOfDaState wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

I think you are overestimating how many PC users use steam. I never have. Noone I know uses steam or origin etc. We spend a LOT of money too being older gentlemen with disposable income. My opinion steam is mainly kids and guys under 25.

To be honest, I think that's an out-of-date view. Steam is now very much the platform of choice for very many gamers, it creates a simple means of installing, updating, accessing and removing games as well as having its own discussion boards and providing easy communications between friends regardless of what they're doing or playing. I don't use it socially but I do use it as my platform of choice for any new games (but didn't switch ESO to it as the terms weren't favourable if you already had the game when it launched on Steam).

And no, I don't fit your suggested demographic - by a good 40 years !

I know literally 100s of gamers. I know noone who uses steam. So I know you assume because you and your buddies at school use it that everyone does. That is not the case tho.

Lol I like how his friends using Steam means nothing but yours not using it is somehow supposed to be relevant. Steam has over 100 million active users according to the data they released. They control majority of the PC gaming market your anecdotal evidence doesn't change that.

100 million users WORLDWIDE. Also active users can mean the same person on multiple accounts. Considering there are over 1 billion people just in the united states and europe alone kinda puts your number in context.

EnemyOfDaState · March 2016

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

EnemyOfDaState wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

I think you are overestimating how many PC users use steam. I never have. Noone I know uses steam or origin etc. We spend a LOT of money too being older gentlemen with disposable income. My opinion steam is mainly kids and guys under 25.

To be honest, I think that's an out-of-date view. Steam is now very much the platform of choice for very many gamers, it creates a simple means of installing, updating, accessing and removing games as well as having its own discussion boards and providing easy communications between friends regardless of what they're doing or playing. I don't use it socially but I do use it as my platform of choice for any new games (but didn't switch ESO to it as the terms weren't favourable if you already had the game when it launched on Steam).

And no, I don't fit your suggested demographic - by a good 40 years !

I know literally 100s of gamers. I know noone who uses steam. So I know you assume because you and your buddies at school use it that everyone does. That is not the case tho.

Lol I like how his friends using Steam means nothing but yours not using it is somehow supposed to be relevant. Steam has over 100 million active users according to the data they released. They control majority of the PC gaming market your anecdotal evidence doesn't change that.

100 million users WORLDWIDE. Also active users can mean the same person on multiple accounts. Considering there are over 1 billion people just in the united states and europe alone kinda puts your number in context.

How many of those people are PC gamers because it definitely isn't a billion. I don't get the issue, Steams user base is clearly large enough to show that majority of gamers have DX11. Yeah it sucks for the people who have 7-8 year old computers but that's life. People don't expect Xbox 360 to still be supported 8 years after the Xbox One launch.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · March 2016

EnemyOfDaState wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

EnemyOfDaState wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

I think you are overestimating how many PC users use steam. I never have. Noone I know uses steam or origin etc. We spend a LOT of money too being older gentlemen with disposable income. My opinion steam is mainly kids and guys under 25.

To be honest, I think that's an out-of-date view. Steam is now very much the platform of choice for very many gamers, it creates a simple means of installing, updating, accessing and removing games as well as having its own discussion boards and providing easy communications between friends regardless of what they're doing or playing. I don't use it socially but I do use it as my platform of choice for any new games (but didn't switch ESO to it as the terms weren't favourable if you already had the game when it launched on Steam).

And no, I don't fit your suggested demographic - by a good 40 years !

I know literally 100s of gamers. I know noone who uses steam. So I know you assume because you and your buddies at school use it that everyone does. That is not the case tho.

Lol I like how his friends using Steam means nothing but yours not using it is somehow supposed to be relevant. Steam has over 100 million active users according to the data they released. They control majority of the PC gaming market your anecdotal evidence doesn't change that.

100 million users WORLDWIDE. Also active users can mean the same person on multiple accounts. Considering there are over 1 billion people just in the united states and europe alone kinda puts your number in context.

How many of those people are PC gamers because it definitely isn't a billion. I don't get the issue, Steams user base is clearly large enough to show that majority of gamers have DX11. Yeah it sucks for the people who have 7-8 year old computers but that's life. People don't expect Xbox 360 to still be supported 8 years after the Xbox One launch.

I would bet as far as pc gamers maybe 30-40% use steam. Like I said mainly younger people under the age of 25. I also would bet a ton of those 100 million come from China and Korea. 3 billion people just in china alone. So ya if you use steam surveys to figure out your games outside of steam then you might be making a mistake. Obviously ZOS knows its own numbers and saw that dx9/10 users made up just a small percentage. They figure it was worth the loss of revenue.

FleetwoodSmack · March 2016

EnemyOfDaState wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

EnemyOfDaState wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

I think you are overestimating how many PC users use steam. I never have. Noone I know uses steam or origin etc. We spend a LOT of money too being older gentlemen with disposable income. My opinion steam is mainly kids and guys under 25.

To be honest, I think that's an out-of-date view. Steam is now very much the platform of choice for very many gamers, it creates a simple means of installing, updating, accessing and removing games as well as having its own discussion boards and providing easy communications between friends regardless of what they're doing or playing. I don't use it socially but I do use it as my platform of choice for any new games (but didn't switch ESO to it as the terms weren't favourable if you already had the game when it launched on Steam).

And no, I don't fit your suggested demographic - by a good 40 years !

I know literally 100s of gamers. I know noone who uses steam. So I know you assume because you and your buddies at school use it that everyone does. That is not the case tho.

Lol I like how his friends using Steam means nothing but yours not using it is somehow supposed to be relevant. Steam has over 100 million active users according to the data they released. They control majority of the PC gaming market your anecdotal evidence doesn't change that.

100 million users WORLDWIDE. Also active users can mean the same person on multiple accounts. Considering there are over 1 billion people just in the united states and europe alone kinda puts your number in context.

How many of those people are PC gamers because it definitely isn't a billion. I don't get the issue, Steams user base is clearly large enough to show that majority of gamers have DX11. Yeah it sucks for the people who have 7-8 year old computers but that's life. People don't expect Xbox 360 to still be supported 8 years after the Xbox One launch.

It better be able to still support Netflix though. >:( All kidding aside, that's something that I can definitely agree with. Things do evolve and with PC technology this changes exponentially in some parts (though recently I've been noticing a lull with different types of hardware). I think what Dimension and I hashed out is pretty much how it is. While there was word of this, it wasn't readily available for a lot of us and by the time we knew about it, it was too late. So there's the outrage. It doesn't matter what the demographics are, it's just the fact that DX9 is insanely old. I'm eeeh about not supporting DX10, but even then that technology is getting up there in age too. I just hope that they get all these issues fixed with the jump. Cause I don't wanna get a new computer only to find myself still crashing in ESO while meeting all the requirements.

That'd be an utter buzzkill.

EnemyOfDaState · March 2016

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

EnemyOfDaState wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

EnemyOfDaState wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

I think you are overestimating how many PC users use steam. I never have. Noone I know uses steam or origin etc. We spend a LOT of money too being older gentlemen with disposable income. My opinion steam is mainly kids and guys under 25.

To be honest, I think that's an out-of-date view. Steam is now very much the platform of choice for very many gamers, it creates a simple means of installing, updating, accessing and removing games as well as having its own discussion boards and providing easy communications between friends regardless of what they're doing or playing. I don't use it socially but I do use it as my platform of choice for any new games (but didn't switch ESO to it as the terms weren't favourable if you already had the game when it launched on Steam).

And no, I don't fit your suggested demographic - by a good 40 years !

I know literally 100s of gamers. I know noone who uses steam. So I know you assume because you and your buddies at school use it that everyone does. That is not the case tho.

Lol I like how his friends using Steam means nothing but yours not using it is somehow supposed to be relevant. Steam has over 100 million active users according to the data they released. They control majority of the PC gaming market your anecdotal evidence doesn't change that.

100 million users WORLDWIDE. Also active users can mean the same person on multiple accounts. Considering there are over 1 billion people just in the united states and europe alone kinda puts your number in context.

How many of those people are PC gamers because it definitely isn't a billion. I don't get the issue, Steams user base is clearly large enough to show that majority of gamers have DX11. Yeah it sucks for the people who have 7-8 year old computers but that's life. People don't expect Xbox 360 to still be supported 8 years after the Xbox One launch.

I would bet as far as pc gamers maybe 30-40% use steam. Like I said mainly younger people under the age of 25. I also would bet a ton of those 100 million come from China and Korea. 3 billion people just in china alone. So ya if you use steam surveys to figure out your games outside of steam then you might be making a mistake. Obviously ZOS knows its own numbers and saw that dx9/10 users made up just a small percentage. They figure it was worth the loss of revenue.

Majority are from the USA followed by Russia.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · March 2016

EnemyOfDaState wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

EnemyOfDaState wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

EnemyOfDaState wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

I think you are overestimating how many PC users use steam. I never have. Noone I know uses steam or origin etc. We spend a LOT of money too being older gentlemen with disposable income. My opinion steam is mainly kids and guys under 25.

To be honest, I think that's an out-of-date view. Steam is now very much the platform of choice for very many gamers, it creates a simple means of installing, updating, accessing and removing games as well as having its own discussion boards and providing easy communications between friends regardless of what they're doing or playing. I don't use it socially but I do use it as my platform of choice for any new games (but didn't switch ESO to it as the terms weren't favourable if you already had the game when it launched on Steam).

And no, I don't fit your suggested demographic - by a good 40 years !

I know literally 100s of gamers. I know noone who uses steam. So I know you assume because you and your buddies at school use it that everyone does. That is not the case tho.

Lol I like how his friends using Steam means nothing but yours not using it is somehow supposed to be relevant. Steam has over 100 million active users according to the data they released. They control majority of the PC gaming market your anecdotal evidence doesn't change that.

100 million users WORLDWIDE. Also active users can mean the same person on multiple accounts. Considering there are over 1 billion people just in the united states and europe alone kinda puts your number in context.

How many of those people are PC gamers because it definitely isn't a billion. I don't get the issue, Steams user base is clearly large enough to show that majority of gamers have DX11. Yeah it sucks for the people who have 7-8 year old computers but that's life. People don't expect Xbox 360 to still be supported 8 years after the Xbox One launch.

I would bet as far as pc gamers maybe 30-40% use steam. Like I said mainly younger people under the age of 25. I also would bet a ton of those 100 million come from China and Korea. 3 billion people just in china alone. So ya if you use steam surveys to figure out your games outside of steam then you might be making a mistake. Obviously ZOS knows its own numbers and saw that dx9/10 users made up just a small percentage. They figure it was worth the loss of revenue.

Majority are from the USA followed by Russia.

If you look on their stats page ESO almost isnt even in the top 100 games on steam. So obviously not the majority of even ESO players use steam much less the pc gaming community in general. I mean ESO got handily beaten by such awesome games as farm simulator 15 and american truck simulator.

FleetwoodSmack · March 2016

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

EnemyOfDaState wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

EnemyOfDaState wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

EnemyOfDaState wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

I think you are overestimating how many PC users use steam. I never have. Noone I know uses steam or origin etc. We spend a LOT of money too being older gentlemen with disposable income. My opinion steam is mainly kids and guys under 25.

To be honest, I think that's an out-of-date view. Steam is now very much the platform of choice for very many gamers, it creates a simple means of installing, updating, accessing and removing games as well as having its own discussion boards and providing easy communications between friends regardless of what they're doing or playing. I don't use it socially but I do use it as my platform of choice for any new games (but didn't switch ESO to it as the terms weren't favourable if you already had the game when it launched on Steam).

And no, I don't fit your suggested demographic - by a good 40 years !

I know literally 100s of gamers. I know noone who uses steam. So I know you assume because you and your buddies at school use it that everyone does. That is not the case tho.

Lol I like how his friends using Steam means nothing but yours not using it is somehow supposed to be relevant. Steam has over 100 million active users according to the data they released. They control majority of the PC gaming market your anecdotal evidence doesn't change that.

100 million users WORLDWIDE. Also active users can mean the same person on multiple accounts. Considering there are over 1 billion people just in the united states and europe alone kinda puts your number in context.

How many of those people are PC gamers because it definitely isn't a billion. I don't get the issue, Steams user base is clearly large enough to show that majority of gamers have DX11. Yeah it sucks for the people who have 7-8 year old computers but that's life. People don't expect Xbox 360 to still be supported 8 years after the Xbox One launch.

I would bet as far as pc gamers maybe 30-40% use steam. Like I said mainly younger people under the age of 25. I also would bet a ton of those 100 million come from China and Korea. 3 billion people just in china alone. So ya if you use steam surveys to figure out your games outside of steam then you might be making a mistake. Obviously ZOS knows its own numbers and saw that dx9/10 users made up just a small percentage. They figure it was worth the loss of revenue.

Majority are from the USA followed by Russia.

If you look on their stats page ESO almost isnt even in the top 100 games on steam. So obviously not the majority of even ESO players use steam much less the pc gaming community in general. I mean ESO got handily beaten by such awesome games as farm simulator 15 and american truck simulator.

This is due to people not buying it through Steam. It won't be on the top 100 since most get ESO directly from here or from a different source (like the box). Regardless, this really doesn't matter as the jump has already been made and those of us in this situation should just adapt to it and look at this from an optimistic PoV; Things with ZOS and ESO can and will change with limited notice, so it's best to anticipate these changes and adapt before they happen.

EnemyOfDaState · March 2016

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

EnemyOfDaState wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

EnemyOfDaState wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

EnemyOfDaState wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

I think you are overestimating how many PC users use steam. I never have. Noone I know uses steam or origin etc. We spend a LOT of money too being older gentlemen with disposable income. My opinion steam is mainly kids and guys under 25.

To be honest, I think that's an out-of-date view. Steam is now very much the platform of choice for very many gamers, it creates a simple means of installing, updating, accessing and removing games as well as having its own discussion boards and providing easy communications between friends regardless of what they're doing or playing. I don't use it socially but I do use it as my platform of choice for any new games (but didn't switch ESO to it as the terms weren't favourable if you already had the game when it launched on Steam).

And no, I don't fit your suggested demographic - by a good 40 years !

I know literally 100s of gamers. I know noone who uses steam. So I know you assume because you and your buddies at school use it that everyone does. That is not the case tho.

Lol I like how his friends using Steam means nothing but yours not using it is somehow supposed to be relevant. Steam has over 100 million active users according to the data they released. They control majority of the PC gaming market your anecdotal evidence doesn't change that.

100 million users WORLDWIDE. Also active users can mean the same person on multiple accounts. Considering there are over 1 billion people just in the united states and europe alone kinda puts your number in context.

How many of those people are PC gamers because it definitely isn't a billion. I don't get the issue, Steams user base is clearly large enough to show that majority of gamers have DX11. Yeah it sucks for the people who have 7-8 year old computers but that's life. People don't expect Xbox 360 to still be supported 8 years after the Xbox One launch.

I would bet as far as pc gamers maybe 30-40% use steam. Like I said mainly younger people under the age of 25. I also would bet a ton of those 100 million come from China and Korea. 3 billion people just in china alone. So ya if you use steam surveys to figure out your games outside of steam then you might be making a mistake. Obviously ZOS knows its own numbers and saw that dx9/10 users made up just a small percentage. They figure it was worth the loss of revenue.

Majority are from the USA followed by Russia.

If you look on their stats page ESO almost isnt even in the top 100 games on steam. So obviously not the majority of even ESO players use steam much less the pc gaming community in general. I mean ESO got handily beaten by such awesome games as farm simulator 15 and american truck simulator.

What point are you trying to make exactly? Steam controls a large part of the PC gaming market this is a fact, majority of those people are from the USA and Europe that is a fact, majority of their user base uses DX11 that is a fact. All this points to the same thing, most PC gamers have DX11 compatible Video Cards. This is further proven by the fact that Zenimax had no problem losing DX10 users as customers.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · March 2016

EnemyOfDaState wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

EnemyOfDaState wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

EnemyOfDaState wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

EnemyOfDaState wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

I think you are overestimating how many PC users use steam. I never have. Noone I know uses steam or origin etc. We spend a LOT of money too being older gentlemen with disposable income. My opinion steam is mainly kids and guys under 25.

To be honest, I think that's an out-of-date view. Steam is now very much the platform of choice for very many gamers, it creates a simple means of installing, updating, accessing and removing games as well as having its own discussion boards and providing easy communications between friends regardless of what they're doing or playing. I don't use it socially but I do use it as my platform of choice for any new games (but didn't switch ESO to it as the terms weren't favourable if you already had the game when it launched on Steam).

And no, I don't fit your suggested demographic - by a good 40 years !

I know literally 100s of gamers. I know noone who uses steam. So I know you assume because you and your buddies at school use it that everyone does. That is not the case tho.

Lol I like how his friends using Steam means nothing but yours not using it is somehow supposed to be relevant. Steam has over 100 million active users according to the data they released. They control majority of the PC gaming market your anecdotal evidence doesn't change that.

100 million users WORLDWIDE. Also active users can mean the same person on multiple accounts. Considering there are over 1 billion people just in the united states and europe alone kinda puts your number in context.

How many of those people are PC gamers because it definitely isn't a billion. I don't get the issue, Steams user base is clearly large enough to show that majority of gamers have DX11. Yeah it sucks for the people who have 7-8 year old computers but that's life. People don't expect Xbox 360 to still be supported 8 years after the Xbox One launch.

I would bet as far as pc gamers maybe 30-40% use steam. Like I said mainly younger people under the age of 25. I also would bet a ton of those 100 million come from China and Korea. 3 billion people just in china alone. So ya if you use steam surveys to figure out your games outside of steam then you might be making a mistake. Obviously ZOS knows its own numbers and saw that dx9/10 users made up just a small percentage. They figure it was worth the loss of revenue.

Majority are from the USA followed by Russia.

If you look on their stats page ESO almost isnt even in the top 100 games on steam. So obviously not the majority of even ESO players use steam much less the pc gaming community in general. I mean ESO got handily beaten by such awesome games as farm simulator 15 and american truck simulator.

What point are you trying to make exactly? Steam controls a large part of the PC gaming market this is a fact, majority of those people are from the USA and Europe that is a fact, majority of their user base uses DX11 that is a fact. All this points to the same thing, most PC gamers have DX11 compatible Video Cards. This is further proven by the fact that Zenimax had no problem losing DX10 users as customers.

Yes those are all facts. You know whats also a fact. Hardly anyone who uses steam plays ESO. Fact is tho as I pointed out most of the PC community doesnt use steam.

EnemyOfDaState · March 2016

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

EnemyOfDaState wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

EnemyOfDaState wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

EnemyOfDaState wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

EnemyOfDaState wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

I think you are overestimating how many PC users use steam. I never have. Noone I know uses steam or origin etc. We spend a LOT of money too being older gentlemen with disposable income. My opinion steam is mainly kids and guys under 25.

To be honest, I think that's an out-of-date view. Steam is now very much the platform of choice for very many gamers, it creates a simple means of installing, updating, accessing and removing games as well as having its own discussion boards and providing easy communications between friends regardless of what they're doing or playing. I don't use it socially but I do use it as my platform of choice for any new games (but didn't switch ESO to it as the terms weren't favourable if you already had the game when it launched on Steam).

And no, I don't fit your suggested demographic - by a good 40 years !

I know literally 100s of gamers. I know noone who uses steam. So I know you assume because you and your buddies at school use it that everyone does. That is not the case tho.

Lol I like how his friends using Steam means nothing but yours not using it is somehow supposed to be relevant. Steam has over 100 million active users according to the data they released. They control majority of the PC gaming market your anecdotal evidence doesn't change that.

100 million users WORLDWIDE. Also active users can mean the same person on multiple accounts. Considering there are over 1 billion people just in the united states and europe alone kinda puts your number in context.

How many of those people are PC gamers because it definitely isn't a billion. I don't get the issue, Steams user base is clearly large enough to show that majority of gamers have DX11. Yeah it sucks for the people who have 7-8 year old computers but that's life. People don't expect Xbox 360 to still be supported 8 years after the Xbox One launch.

I would bet as far as pc gamers maybe 30-40% use steam. Like I said mainly younger people under the age of 25. I also would bet a ton of those 100 million come from China and Korea. 3 billion people just in china alone. So ya if you use steam surveys to figure out your games outside of steam then you might be making a mistake. Obviously ZOS knows its own numbers and saw that dx9/10 users made up just a small percentage. They figure it was worth the loss of revenue.

Majority are from the USA followed by Russia.

If you look on their stats page ESO almost isnt even in the top 100 games on steam. So obviously not the majority of even ESO players use steam much less the pc gaming community in general. I mean ESO got handily beaten by such awesome games as farm simulator 15 and american truck simulator.

What point are you trying to make exactly? Steam controls a large part of the PC gaming market this is a fact, majority of those people are from the USA and Europe that is a fact, majority of their user base uses DX11 that is a fact. All this points to the same thing, most PC gamers have DX11 compatible Video Cards. This is further proven by the fact that Zenimax had no problem losing DX10 users as customers.

Yes those are all facts. You know whats also a fact. Hardly anyone who uses steam plays ESO. Fact is tho as I pointed out most of the PC community doesnt use steam.

How have you pointed anything out you gave zero reasons for your opinion outside of you and your friends.

FleetwoodSmack · March 2016

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Yes those are all facts. You know whats also a fact. Hardly anyone who uses steam plays ESO. Fact is tho as I pointed out most of the PC community doesnt use steam.

So all those people that played Skyrim pirated the game that don't use Steam? Regardless; Steam or no Steam, there's evidence out there to suggest that there was a majority of people using DX11 compliant cards. Steam is just one of those venues that ZOS could have pulled data from along with crash report logs from previous PTS reports. Honestly arguing who uses Steam and who doesn't really isn't all that relevant. The facts are ESO requires a DX11+ compliant card to run and that they're probably going to stick by this change. The sooner we accept this and adapt to anticipate this in the future as well as encourage ZOS to make this information on when changes like this will happen available, the better.

Tandor · March 2016

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

EnemyOfDaState wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

EnemyOfDaState wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

EnemyOfDaState wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

EnemyOfDaState wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

I think you are overestimating how many PC users use steam. I never have. Noone I know uses steam or origin etc. We spend a LOT of money too being older gentlemen with disposable income. My opinion steam is mainly kids and guys under 25.

To be honest, I think that's an out-of-date view. Steam is now very much the platform of choice for very many gamers, it creates a simple means of installing, updating, accessing and removing games as well as having its own discussion boards and providing easy communications between friends regardless of what they're doing or playing. I don't use it socially but I do use it as my platform of choice for any new games (but didn't switch ESO to it as the terms weren't favourable if you already had the game when it launched on Steam).

And no, I don't fit your suggested demographic - by a good 40 years !

I know literally 100s of gamers. I know noone who uses steam. So I know you assume because you and your buddies at school use it that everyone does. That is not the case tho.

Lol I like how his friends using Steam means nothing but yours not using it is somehow supposed to be relevant. Steam has over 100 million active users according to the data they released. They control majority of the PC gaming market your anecdotal evidence doesn't change that.

100 million users WORLDWIDE. Also active users can mean the same person on multiple accounts. Considering there are over 1 billion people just in the united states and europe alone kinda puts your number in context.

How many of those people are PC gamers because it definitely isn't a billion. I don't get the issue, Steams user base is clearly large enough to show that majority of gamers have DX11. Yeah it sucks for the people who have 7-8 year old computers but that's life. People don't expect Xbox 360 to still be supported 8 years after the Xbox One launch.

I would bet as far as pc gamers maybe 30-40% use steam. Like I said mainly younger people under the age of 25. I also would bet a ton of those 100 million come from China and Korea. 3 billion people just in china alone. So ya if you use steam surveys to figure out your games outside of steam then you might be making a mistake. Obviously ZOS knows its own numbers and saw that dx9/10 users made up just a small percentage. They figure it was worth the loss of revenue.

Majority are from the USA followed by Russia.

If you look on their stats page ESO almost isnt even in the top 100 games on steam. So obviously not the majority of even ESO players use steam much less the pc gaming community in general. I mean ESO got handily beaten by such awesome games as farm simulator 15 and american truck simulator.

What point are you trying to make exactly? Steam controls a large part of the PC gaming market this is a fact, majority of those people are from the USA and Europe that is a fact, majority of their user base uses DX11 that is a fact. All this points to the same thing, most PC gamers have DX11 compatible Video Cards. This is further proven by the fact that Zenimax had no problem losing DX10 users as customers.

Yes those are all facts. You know whats also a fact. Hardly anyone who uses steam plays ESO. Fact is tho as I pointed out most of the PC community doesnt use steam.

Given that there are 100 million people using Steam, over 10 million concurrently, it's hardly surprising that "hardly anyone who uses Steam plays ESO" if you're talking percentages. That's true of any game, but then Steam does have over 7,500 games available.

I think you're confused by the fact that most people who play ESO don't do so through Steam. That's because it wasn't on Steam until well after it launched, and the terms on which it was made available on Steam deterred most existing players from switching to it.

Have you even considered the number of ESO players on PC who have played Skyrim? Certainly not "hardly anyone", yet guess which platform they played it on. Hint: It requires a Steam account for activation.

EDIT: Apologies for the late edit during which someone agreed with me - I hope they still do!

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · March 2016

EnemyOfDaState wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

EnemyOfDaState wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

EnemyOfDaState wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

EnemyOfDaState wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

EnemyOfDaState wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

I think you are overestimating how many PC users use steam. I never have. Noone I know uses steam or origin etc. We spend a LOT of money too being older gentlemen with disposable income. My opinion steam is mainly kids and guys under 25.

To be honest, I think that's an out-of-date view. Steam is now very much the platform of choice for very many gamers, it creates a simple means of installing, updating, accessing and removing games as well as having its own discussion boards and providing easy communications between friends regardless of what they're doing or playing. I don't use it socially but I do use it as my platform of choice for any new games (but didn't switch ESO to it as the terms weren't favourable if you already had the game when it launched on Steam).

And no, I don't fit your suggested demographic - by a good 40 years !

I know literally 100s of gamers. I know noone who uses steam. So I know you assume because you and your buddies at school use it that everyone does. That is not the case tho.

Lol I like how his friends using Steam means nothing but yours not using it is somehow supposed to be relevant. Steam has over 100 million active users according to the data they released. They control majority of the PC gaming market your anecdotal evidence doesn't change that.

100 million users WORLDWIDE. Also active users can mean the same person on multiple accounts. Considering there are over 1 billion people just in the united states and europe alone kinda puts your number in context.

How many of those people are PC gamers because it definitely isn't a billion. I don't get the issue, Steams user base is clearly large enough to show that majority of gamers have DX11. Yeah it sucks for the people who have 7-8 year old computers but that's life. People don't expect Xbox 360 to still be supported 8 years after the Xbox One launch.

I would bet as far as pc gamers maybe 30-40% use steam. Like I said mainly younger people under the age of 25. I also would bet a ton of those 100 million come from China and Korea. 3 billion people just in china alone. So ya if you use steam surveys to figure out your games outside of steam then you might be making a mistake. Obviously ZOS knows its own numbers and saw that dx9/10 users made up just a small percentage. They figure it was worth the loss of revenue.

Majority are from the USA followed by Russia.

If you look on their stats page ESO almost isnt even in the top 100 games on steam. So obviously not the majority of even ESO players use steam much less the pc gaming community in general. I mean ESO got handily beaten by such awesome games as farm simulator 15 and american truck simulator.

What point are you trying to make exactly? Steam controls a large part of the PC gaming market this is a fact, majority of those people are from the USA and Europe that is a fact, majority of their user base uses DX11 that is a fact. All this points to the same thing, most PC gamers have DX11 compatible Video Cards. This is further proven by the fact that Zenimax had no problem losing DX10 users as customers.

Yes those are all facts. You know whats also a fact. Hardly anyone who uses steam plays ESO. Fact is tho as I pointed out most of the PC community doesnt use steam.

How have you pointed anything out you gave zero reasons for your opinion outside of you and your friends.

What about the fact ESO is barely in the top 100 played games on steam? Maybe the ESO crowd isnt the same as the steam crowd? If you havent noticed also this is NOT skyrim.

Uriel_Nocturne · March 2016

Tandor wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

EnemyOfDaState wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

EnemyOfDaState wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

EnemyOfDaState wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

EnemyOfDaState wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

I think you are overestimating how many PC users use steam. I never have. Noone I know uses steam or origin etc. We spend a LOT of money too being older gentlemen with disposable income. My opinion steam is mainly kids and guys under 25.

To be honest, I think that's an out-of-date view. Steam is now very much the platform of choice for very many gamers, it creates a simple means of installing, updating, accessing and removing games as well as having its own discussion boards and providing easy communications between friends regardless of what they're doing or playing. I don't use it socially but I do use it as my platform of choice for any new games (but didn't switch ESO to it as the terms weren't favourable if you already had the game when it launched on Steam).

And no, I don't fit your suggested demographic - by a good 40 years !

I know literally 100s of gamers. I know noone who uses steam. So I know you assume because you and your buddies at school use it that everyone does. That is not the case tho.

Lol I like how his friends using Steam means nothing but yours not using it is somehow supposed to be relevant. Steam has over 100 million active users according to the data they released. They control majority of the PC gaming market your anecdotal evidence doesn't change that.

100 million users WORLDWIDE. Also active users can mean the same person on multiple accounts. Considering there are over 1 billion people just in the united states and europe alone kinda puts your number in context.

How many of those people are PC gamers because it definitely isn't a billion. I don't get the issue, Steams user base is clearly large enough to show that majority of gamers have DX11. Yeah it sucks for the people who have 7-8 year old computers but that's life. People don't expect Xbox 360 to still be supported 8 years after the Xbox One launch.

I would bet as far as pc gamers maybe 30-40% use steam. Like I said mainly younger people under the age of 25. I also would bet a ton of those 100 million come from China and Korea. 3 billion people just in china alone. So ya if you use steam surveys to figure out your games outside of steam then you might be making a mistake. Obviously ZOS knows its own numbers and saw that dx9/10 users made up just a small percentage. They figure it was worth the loss of revenue.

Majority are from the USA followed by Russia.

If you look on their stats page ESO almost isnt even in the top 100 games on steam. So obviously not the majority of even ESO players use steam much less the pc gaming community in general. I mean ESO got handily beaten by such awesome games as farm simulator 15 and american truck simulator.

What point are you trying to make exactly? Steam controls a large part of the PC gaming market this is a fact, majority of those people are from the USA and Europe that is a fact, majority of their user base uses DX11 that is a fact. All this points to the same thing, most PC gamers have DX11 compatible Video Cards. This is further proven by the fact that Zenimax had no problem losing DX10 users as customers.

Yes those are all facts. You know whats also a fact. Hardly anyone who uses steam plays ESO. Fact is tho as I pointed out most of the PC community doesnt use steam.

Given that there are 100 million people using Steam, over 10 million concurrently, it's hardly surprising that "hardly anyone who uses Steam plays ESO" if you're talking percentages. That's true of any game, but then Steam does have over 7,500 games available.

I think you're confused by the fact that most people who play ESO don't do so through Steam. That's because it wasn't on Steam until well after it launched, and the terms on which it was made available on Steam deterred most existing players from switching to it.

Have you even considered the number of ESO players on PC who have played Skyrim? Certainly not "hardly anyone", yet guess which platform they played it on. Hint: It requires a Steam account for activation.

EDIT: Apologies for the late edit during which someone agreed with me - I hope they still do!

Well said.

To add to your argument; it's also a fact that most people who play WoW, GW2, LoL, etc. do not do so on Steam. But guess what? The vast majority of those Gamers also have Steam and active accounts.

Just because they don't utilize Steam to play one game that also happens to be available on Steam, does not invalidate Steam's statistics.

dimensional · March 2016

He gave you the reason why most people don't use steam for ESO; it was added on steam FAR after the launch of the game.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · March 2016

Tandor wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

EnemyOfDaState wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

EnemyOfDaState wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

EnemyOfDaState wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

EnemyOfDaState wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

I think you are overestimating how many PC users use steam. I never have. Noone I know uses steam or origin etc. We spend a LOT of money too being older gentlemen with disposable income. My opinion steam is mainly kids and guys under 25.

To be honest, I think that's an out-of-date view. Steam is now very much the platform of choice for very many gamers, it creates a simple means of installing, updating, accessing and removing games as well as having its own discussion boards and providing easy communications between friends regardless of what they're doing or playing. I don't use it socially but I do use it as my platform of choice for any new games (but didn't switch ESO to it as the terms weren't favourable if you already had the game when it launched on Steam).

And no, I don't fit your suggested demographic - by a good 40 years !

I know literally 100s of gamers. I know noone who uses steam. So I know you assume because you and your buddies at school use it that everyone does. That is not the case tho.

Lol I like how his friends using Steam means nothing but yours not using it is somehow supposed to be relevant. Steam has over 100 million active users according to the data they released. They control majority of the PC gaming market your anecdotal evidence doesn't change that.

100 million users WORLDWIDE. Also active users can mean the same person on multiple accounts. Considering there are over 1 billion people just in the united states and europe alone kinda puts your number in context.

How many of those people are PC gamers because it definitely isn't a billion. I don't get the issue, Steams user base is clearly large enough to show that majority of gamers have DX11. Yeah it sucks for the people who have 7-8 year old computers but that's life. People don't expect Xbox 360 to still be supported 8 years after the Xbox One launch.

I would bet as far as pc gamers maybe 30-40% use steam. Like I said mainly younger people under the age of 25. I also would bet a ton of those 100 million come from China and Korea. 3 billion people just in china alone. So ya if you use steam surveys to figure out your games outside of steam then you might be making a mistake. Obviously ZOS knows its own numbers and saw that dx9/10 users made up just a small percentage. They figure it was worth the loss of revenue.

Majority are from the USA followed by Russia.

If you look on their stats page ESO almost isnt even in the top 100 games on steam. So obviously not the majority of even ESO players use steam much less the pc gaming community in general. I mean ESO got handily beaten by such awesome games as farm simulator 15 and american truck simulator.

What point are you trying to make exactly? Steam controls a large part of the PC gaming market this is a fact, majority of those people are from the USA and Europe that is a fact, majority of their user base uses DX11 that is a fact. All this points to the same thing, most PC gamers have DX11 compatible Video Cards. This is further proven by the fact that Zenimax had no problem losing DX10 users as customers.

Yes those are all facts. You know whats also a fact. Hardly anyone who uses steam plays ESO. Fact is tho as I pointed out most of the PC community doesnt use steam.

Given that there are 100 million people using Steam, over 10 million concurrently, it's hardly surprising that "hardly anyone who uses Steam plays ESO" if you're talking percentages. That's true of any game, but then Steam does have over 7,500 games available.

I think you're confused by the fact that most people who play ESO don't do so through Steam. That's because it wasn't on Steam until well after it launched, and the terms on which it was made available on Steam deterred most existing players from switching to it.

Have you even considered the number of ESO players on PC who have played Skyrim? Certainly not "hardly anyone", yet guess which platform they played it on. Hint: It requires a Steam account for activation.

EDIT: Apologies for the late edit during which someone agreed with me - I hope they still do!

We are talking about ESO are we not? So I think the fact that they dropped DX9/10 support reflects the fact that the majority of people who use ESO are not the same demographic as the majority who use steam. So if most of your players play the game outside of steam then why on earth would you use steam stats to base what you do on your game where most of your players dont use steam?

EnemyOfDaState · March 2016

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

EnemyOfDaState wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

EnemyOfDaState wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

EnemyOfDaState wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

EnemyOfDaState wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

EnemyOfDaState wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

I think you are overestimating how many PC users use steam. I never have. Noone I know uses steam or origin etc. We spend a LOT of money too being older gentlemen with disposable income. My opinion steam is mainly kids and guys under 25.

To be honest, I think that's an out-of-date view. Steam is now very much the platform of choice for very many gamers, it creates a simple means of installing, updating, accessing and removing games as well as having its own discussion boards and providing easy communications between friends regardless of what they're doing or playing. I don't use it socially but I do use it as my platform of choice for any new games (but didn't switch ESO to it as the terms weren't favourable if you already had the game when it launched on Steam).

And no, I don't fit your suggested demographic - by a good 40 years !

I know literally 100s of gamers. I know noone who uses steam. So I know you assume because you and your buddies at school use it that everyone does. That is not the case tho.

Lol I like how his friends using Steam means nothing but yours not using it is somehow supposed to be relevant. Steam has over 100 million active users according to the data they released. They control majority of the PC gaming market your anecdotal evidence doesn't change that.

100 million users WORLDWIDE. Also active users can mean the same person on multiple accounts. Considering there are over 1 billion people just in the united states and europe alone kinda puts your number in context.

How many of those people are PC gamers because it definitely isn't a billion. I don't get the issue, Steams user base is clearly large enough to show that majority of gamers have DX11. Yeah it sucks for the people who have 7-8 year old computers but that's life. People don't expect Xbox 360 to still be supported 8 years after the Xbox One launch.

I would bet as far as pc gamers maybe 30-40% use steam. Like I said mainly younger people under the age of 25. I also would bet a ton of those 100 million come from China and Korea. 3 billion people just in china alone. So ya if you use steam surveys to figure out your games outside of steam then you might be making a mistake. Obviously ZOS knows its own numbers and saw that dx9/10 users made up just a small percentage. They figure it was worth the loss of revenue.

Majority are from the USA followed by Russia.

If you look on their stats page ESO almost isnt even in the top 100 games on steam. So obviously not the majority of even ESO players use steam much less the pc gaming community in general. I mean ESO got handily beaten by such awesome games as farm simulator 15 and american truck simulator.

What point are you trying to make exactly? Steam controls a large part of the PC gaming market this is a fact, majority of those people are from the USA and Europe that is a fact, majority of their user base uses DX11 that is a fact. All this points to the same thing, most PC gamers have DX11 compatible Video Cards. This is further proven by the fact that Zenimax had no problem losing DX10 users as customers.

Yes those are all facts. You know whats also a fact. Hardly anyone who uses steam plays ESO. Fact is tho as I pointed out most of the PC community doesnt use steam.

How have you pointed anything out you gave zero reasons for your opinion outside of you and your friends.

What about the fact ESO is barely in the top 100 played games on steam? Maybe the ESO crowd isnt the same as the steam crowd? If you havent noticed also this is NOT skyrim.

This game wasn't on Steam at release it is really that simple.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · March 2016

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I think you are overestimating how many PC users use steam. I never have. Noone I know uses steam or origin etc. We spend a LOT of money too being older gentlemen with disposable income. My opinion steam is mainly kids and guys under 25.

To be honest, I think that's an out-of-date view. Steam is now very much the platform of choice for very many gamers, it creates a simple means of installing, updating, accessing and removing games as well as having its own discussion boards and providing easy communications between friends regardless of what they're doing or playing. I don't use it socially but I do use it as my platform of choice for any new games (but didn't switch ESO to it as the terms weren't favourable if you already had the game when it launched on Steam).

And no, I don't fit your suggested demographic - by a good 40 years !

I know literally 100s of gamers. I know noone who uses steam. So I know you assume because you and your buddies at school use it that everyone does. That is not the case tho.

Lol I like how his friends using Steam means nothing but yours not using it is somehow supposed to be relevant. Steam has over 100 million active users according to the data they released. They control majority of the PC gaming market your anecdotal evidence doesn't change that.

100 million users WORLDWIDE. Also active users can mean the same person on multiple accounts. Considering there are over 1 billion people just in the united states and europe alone kinda puts your number in context.

How many of those people are PC gamers because it definitely isn't a billion. I don't get the issue, Steams user base is clearly large enough to show that majority of gamers have DX11. Yeah it sucks for the people who have 7-8 year old computers but that's life. People don't expect Xbox 360 to still be supported 8 years after the Xbox One launch.

I would bet as far as pc gamers maybe 30-40% use steam. Like I said mainly younger people under the age of 25. I also would bet a ton of those 100 million come from China and Korea. 3 billion people just in china alone. So ya if you use steam surveys to figure out your games outside of steam then you might be making a mistake. Obviously ZOS knows its own numbers and saw that dx9/10 users made up just a small percentage. They figure it was worth the loss of revenue.

Majority are from the USA followed by Russia.

If you look on their stats page ESO almost isnt even in the top 100 games on steam. So obviously not the majority of even ESO players use steam much less the pc gaming community in general. I mean ESO got handily beaten by such awesome games as farm simulator 15 and american truck simulator.

What point are you trying to make exactly? Steam controls a large part of the PC gaming market this is a fact, majority of those people are from the USA and Europe that is a fact, majority of their user base uses DX11 that is a fact. All this points to the same thing, most PC gamers have DX11 compatible Video Cards. This is further proven by the fact that Zenimax had no problem losing DX10 users as customers.

Yes those are all facts. You know whats also a fact. Hardly anyone who uses steam plays ESO. Fact is tho as I pointed out most of the PC community doesnt use steam.

How have you pointed anything out you gave zero reasons for your opinion outside of you and your friends.

What about the fact ESO is barely in the top 100 played games on steam? Maybe the ESO crowd isnt the same as the steam crowd? If you havent noticed also this is NOT skyrim.

This game wasn't on Steam at release it is really that simple.

Cool so its ok to simply ignore the steam stats since most dont play this on steam.

FleetwoodSmack · March 2016

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I think you are overestimating how many PC users use steam. I never have. Noone I know uses steam or origin etc. We spend a LOT of money too being older gentlemen with disposable income. My opinion steam is mainly kids and guys under 25.

To be honest, I think that's an out-of-date view. Steam is now very much the platform of choice for very many gamers, it creates a simple means of installing, updating, accessing and removing games as well as having its own discussion boards and providing easy communications between friends regardless of what they're doing or playing. I don't use it socially but I do use it as my platform of choice for any new games (but didn't switch ESO to it as the terms weren't favourable if you already had the game when it launched on Steam).

And no, I don't fit your suggested demographic - by a good 40 years !

I know literally 100s of gamers. I know noone who uses steam. So I know you assume because you and your buddies at school use it that everyone does. That is not the case tho.

Lol I like how his friends using Steam means nothing but yours not using it is somehow supposed to be relevant. Steam has over 100 million active users according to the data they released. They control majority of the PC gaming market your anecdotal evidence doesn't change that.

100 million users WORLDWIDE. Also active users can mean the same person on multiple accounts. Considering there are over 1 billion people just in the united states and europe alone kinda puts your number in context.

How many of those people are PC gamers because it definitely isn't a billion. I don't get the issue, Steams user base is clearly large enough to show that majority of gamers have DX11. Yeah it sucks for the people who have 7-8 year old computers but that's life. People don't expect Xbox 360 to still be supported 8 years after the Xbox One launch.

I would bet as far as pc gamers maybe 30-40% use steam. Like I said mainly younger people under the age of 25. I also would bet a ton of those 100 million come from China and Korea. 3 billion people just in china alone. So ya if you use steam surveys to figure out your games outside of steam then you might be making a mistake. Obviously ZOS knows its own numbers and saw that dx9/10 users made up just a small percentage. They figure it was worth the loss of revenue.

Majority are from the USA followed by Russia.

If you look on their stats page ESO almost isnt even in the top 100 games on steam. So obviously not the majority of even ESO players use steam much less the pc gaming community in general. I mean ESO got handily beaten by such awesome games as farm simulator 15 and american truck simulator.

What point are you trying to make exactly? Steam controls a large part of the PC gaming market this is a fact, majority of those people are from the USA and Europe that is a fact, majority of their user base uses DX11 that is a fact. All this points to the same thing, most PC gamers have DX11 compatible Video Cards. This is further proven by the fact that Zenimax had no problem losing DX10 users as customers.

Yes those are all facts. You know whats also a fact. Hardly anyone who uses steam plays ESO. Fact is tho as I pointed out most of the PC community doesnt use steam.

Given that there are 100 million people using Steam, over 10 million concurrently, it's hardly surprising that "hardly anyone who uses Steam plays ESO" if you're talking percentages. That's true of any game, but then Steam does have over 7,500 games available.

I think you're confused by the fact that most people who play ESO don't do so through Steam. That's because it wasn't on Steam until well after it launched, and the terms on which it was made available on Steam deterred most existing players from switching to it.

Have you even considered the number of ESO players on PC who have played Skyrim? Certainly not "hardly anyone", yet guess which platform they played it on. Hint: It requires a Steam account for activation.

EDIT: Apologies for the late edit during which someone agreed with me - I hope they still do!

We are talking about ESO are we not? So I think the fact that they dropped DX9/10 support reflects the fact that the majority of people who use ESO are not the same demographic as the majority who use steam. So if most of your players play the game outside of steam then why on earth would you use steam stats to base what you do on your game where most of your players dont use steam?

They could be getting their data through crash reports, bug reports, and statistics based on a plethora of various venues. Just because even though I'm ONE of these people who can't play this game due to the DX drop, I'm feeling part of the minority based on some of the conversations in here AND on other threads. Regardless, it's not changing. No matter how much any of us put up a fuss about it. It was definitely on their agenda back in October of last year and further back as others say. I'm willing to accept this information. Skyrim was Steam activated. ESO wasn't released on Steam when it originally launched. I think it was when they started to go to the B2P model was when it was (that's when I got it). And even then, I knew I was part of a minority based on the computer I have currently. There comes a point in time when you have to sit down, think about the situation, and adapt to it if you want to continue playing. The bugs we're seeing now might be prevented when they finally make the plunge on going to DX12, if ESO runs that long. A lot can change between now and then.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · March 2016

Well I do agree with you there. Its not changing and the game is moving forward.