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  • Tabbycat
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    If the OP really didn't know RP was going on in the tavern.

    If the OP wasn't intentionally disrupting anyone by dancing on the tables.

    If no one asked him to stop but just went ahead and reported him.

    People are not psychic. You have to use your words to ask them to stop doing a behavior that you don't like.

    If, after that point, the person continues to harass, you should report.

    Not asking someone to stop because you don't feel like dealing with them is not an excuse.

    Again, people are not psychic.
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  • Abeille
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    If someone is intentionally disrupting your gameplay, you report them. If you interact with them, you are feeding the troll. It is common knowledge that you shouldn't feed the troll.

    OP, you were not suspended or muted, maybe because ZOS did read the chat log and thought a warning was enough. Maybe you didn't mean any harm, but sometimes we make mistakes and people don't like it (I've been there too). What you did does come off as trolling, even if it wasn't your intention. Part of growing up is learning to ignore people that are bothering us, but being able to understand you made a mistake and learning from it is part of growing up too. Take that warning ZOS gave you and don't do it again.
    Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.

    Meet my characters:
    Command: Do the thing.

    Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
    Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
    Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
    Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
    Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
    Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
    Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
    Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
    Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
    Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.
  • maboleth
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    What about those hardcore RPs that are writing books in taverns by chatting nonsense like "then Vistelle took her cloak off and said 'it's cold in here, I can't go to battle right now', carefully trying to avoid his attention " ? Personally, I don't mind them, they are having a great time (I guess), but they are making my chat window full in no time. Still I'd never fill a harassment ticket for that.
  • NerfPlease
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    roleplayers its always the worst part of the any MMO community

    selfish elitists
    Edited by NerfPlease on March 9, 2016 11:47AM
  • Buffler
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    People that play out real life situations in fantasy games might just be wired wrong.
    Edited by Buffler on March 9, 2016 11:49AM
  • Tabbycat
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    I like roleplayers. I think they are awesome.

    It just bugs me that someone can report someone for behavior they might not be intentionally doing without asking them to stop first.

    Yeah yeah, I know trolling. But isn't it also trolling to report someone for behavior they didn't intentionally do?

    It could be the OP knew perfectly well what they were doing and that they were purposely annoying RPers. I don't know that because I wasn't there. But, even so, the RPers should have said something. If it escalated, then ZOS would have had more reason to ban the guy for harassing them.

    It's hard to know how to handle such a situation. It just worries me that people can run around doing the goofy things people do in game just because they are being goofy and someone reports them without saying anything.
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  • olsborg
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    Well....zos,zos...latest?cb=20140910040316

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  • BlueBin
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    The help team on this game is some of the worst I've dealt with. Shocking customer service, copy and paste replies to everyone.
  • DDemon
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    Abeille wrote: »
    If someone is intentionally disrupting your gameplay, you report them. If you interact with them, you are feeding the troll. It is common knowledge that you shouldn't feed the troll.

    OP, you were not suspended or muted, maybe because ZOS did read the chat log and thought a warning was enough. Maybe you didn't mean any harm, but sometimes we make mistakes and people don't like it (I've been there too). What you did does come off as trolling, even if it wasn't your intention. Part of growing up is learning to ignore people that are bothering us, but being able to understand you made a mistake and learning from it is part of growing up too. Take that warning ZOS gave you and don't do it again.

    Do what again? The OP didn't even realize he was doing something wrong. Should we now be worried every time we use an enchanting table, the bank or any other kind place we have to use a lot and hope we won't disturb a roleplayer, in fear of being reported and it actually being acted on? I myself have stood on crafting tables, bank furniture and chairs due to the amount of people being at that location. Thinking back, I should have been banned long ago! oh my word, how dare I.
  • Lava_Croft
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    Hmmm. I'm on the fence on this one. I do have a question though. What were you hoping to achieve by jumping on a table and dancing in front of a room full of roleplayers you don't know?
    Turn this question around. Why does a room full of roleplayers expect everybody to bow to their whim just because their clique decided to roleplay in that very tavern, a public place accessible by everyone.
  • Selstad
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    Just remember folks, there are 3 versions of what happened. What the OP said happen, what those reporting said happen and what really happened. We only have the OPs version of it so don't be too quick to conclude.
  • NerfPlease
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    Please i need an addon that will add a mark above the head of any roleplayer

    so i can avoid the bans
    or, troll them to death
  • anitajoneb17_ESO
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    Genomic wrote: »
    xellink wrote: »

    You don't have to do it in a church. Just do it in any bar or pub or public space. Lets see how long you can do it before getting escorted out. You can take off your clothes too for the added effect.

    And. this. is. a. game. A computer game. Not a pub, not a church, not a park. Unbelievable how spoiled and petulant you RPers are. Well, not that unbelievable, considering you're a group of adults playing 8 year old level make-believe.

    @Genomic :

    What do you think the letters "RP" stand for, in "MMORPG" ?

    Yes, ROLE PLAYING, correct.
    If you don't like or respect Role players, I suggest you go play another game, a FPS maybe ?

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    Edited by anitajoneb17_ESO on March 9, 2016 12:04PM
  • Lava_Croft
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    Genomic wrote: »
    xellink wrote: »

    You don't have to do it in a church. Just do it in any bar or pub or public space. Lets see how long you can do it before getting escorted out. You can take off your clothes too for the added effect.

    And. this. is. a. game. A computer game. Not a pub, not a church, not a park. Unbelievable how spoiled and petulant you RPers are. Well, not that unbelievable, considering you're a group of adults playing 8 year old level make-believe.

    @Genomic :

    What do you think the letters "RP" stand for, in "MMORPG" ?

    Yes, ROLE PLAYING, correct.
    If you don't like or respect Role players, I suggest you go play another game, a FPS maybe ?

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    Role playing? You mean like fighting the war in Cyrodiil? Or going into dungeons looking for treasure? Stop pretending like you or anyone else has the monopoly on what exactly 'role playing' entails.
  • Abeille
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    DDemon wrote: »
    Abeille wrote: »
    If someone is intentionally disrupting your gameplay, you report them. If you interact with them, you are feeding the troll. It is common knowledge that you shouldn't feed the troll.

    OP, you were not suspended or muted, maybe because ZOS did read the chat log and thought a warning was enough. Maybe you didn't mean any harm, but sometimes we make mistakes and people don't like it (I've been there too). What you did does come off as trolling, even if it wasn't your intention. Part of growing up is learning to ignore people that are bothering us, but being able to understand you made a mistake and learning from it is part of growing up too. Take that warning ZOS gave you and don't do it again.

    Do what again? The OP didn't even realize he was doing something wrong. Should we now be worried every time we use an enchanting table, the bank or any other kind place we have to use a lot and hope we won't disturb a roleplayer, in fear of being reported and it actually being acted on? I myself have stood on crafting tables, bank furniture and chairs due to the amount of people being at that location. Thinking back, I should have been banned long ago! oh my word, how dare I.

    That's not what the OP did. I am noticing that many people in this thread are not noticing that what the OP did isn't just something that happens on accident. He went to a table in an inn, with other players around it, climbed on it and danced. Your fingers don't just slip and make that happen.

    He wasn't trying to reach an npc, use the bank or a crafting table. He was maybe trying to call attention to himself, or maybe trying to get a laugh. I walked into lots of RP events in this game, but I just did what I had to do in there and left, since what they do to enjoy the game is none of my business and it doesn't affect me.
    Edited by Abeille on March 9, 2016 12:10PM
    Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.

    Meet my characters:
    Command: Do the thing.

    Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
    Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
    Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
    Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
    Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
    Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
    Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
    Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
    Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
    Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.
  • Lorkhan
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    I logged on today to find a message in my inbox about being Warned for Harassing another player. I'm like what the hell. Theres no explanation or anything. I write back to find out what exactly it is that I did, and this is the response,

    Greetings,

    Your account was reported for the harassment of players engaging in a role-playing event. Specifically, your character jumped on a table and began dancing to purposely disrupt their experience. To ensure a respectful and secure atmosphere for all our players, we ask that you cease this behavior.

    1. I had quests in this Tavern that took me into that tavern.
    2. There were a lot of people in the room and I jumped up on the table and danced.
    3. Apparently we cannot engage role players under any circumstance otherwise its deemed harassment.
    4. Nothing was said that was hurtful, but apparently dancing on a table is harassment.
    5. Nobody asked me to stop or that I was interrupting them.

    Question, what gives role players higher priority over anyone else? And, can we mark role players with a whiney symbol that we can see on the outside of Taverns before we go in so I don't accidently "interrupt" their "event". Seriously Zos, they choose to hold these events in high traffic areas, instantly report anyone who comes around and "dances on a table", and you feel somehow that's harassment? No wonder its free to play.

    What should of happened.

    1. Send an Email to the person(s) that reported me, and gently, not to offend, which Dance I was doing, how on earth I got onto the table in the first place, that way we can stop the dance animations, the ability to jump onto tables, and while we are at it, lets make doors lockable so they have the privacy they want.

    Being reported for Harassment for being Social in a Social games is beyond stupid. Lets get our act together.

    i cant believe this. this cant be real.
    too funny. next time, be naked
  • Meanma
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    So, OP, do you frequently makes your character jump on tables and dance? Even if no other players are present? You run around questing and take random breaks to dance on tables and other various assortment of furnitue for no other reason than the joy of looking at your character dance on an inanimate object?

    Or perhaps, but just perhaps, you only do this when you see others gathered around. Specifically to get a reaction out of them. Most likely a negative reaction. If they're not roleplaying they won't notice your antics because they're busy handing in quests, vendoring, crafting, sorting through their inventory or simply rushing past you. Which means dancing on a table won't garner their attention. Roleplayers however WILL notice and won't be pleased which you know very well.

    You can see if certain players are not questing or crafting as they aren't running around like headless chickens or hug the crafting table. They stand around, often in formation. Maybe they slow-walk. Perhaps they're even emoting or talking in /say chat. You can't "accidentally" disrupt roleplaying unless, as I previously mentioned, you have a habit of jumping on random objects and dancing - with or without an audience present.

    Lets be honest with ourselves here. If you wanted to engage those players in a positive manner and get to know them then you would have tried to talk to them either in /say or /whisper. Not jump on a table and dance for a minute then run off without a word.
  • TX12001rwb17_ESO
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    Just report the RPers for bugging your RPing of a naked nord dancing on a table instead.
  • NerfPlease
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    @Meanma dafuk i just read

    pathetic execuses ever
    Edited by NerfPlease on March 9, 2016 12:40PM
  • xellink
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    Genomic wrote: »
    xellink wrote: »

    You don't have to do it in a church. Just do it in any bar or pub or public space. Lets see how long you can do it before getting escorted out. You can take off your clothes too for the added effect.

    And. this. is. a. game. A computer game. Not a pub, not a church, not a park. Unbelievable how spoiled and petulant you RPers are. Well, not that unbelievable, considering you're a group of adults playing 8 year old level make-believe.

    Some players use games to escape reality. Some people treat games as reality. You bought a game you are allowed to do anything. You bought an online game, then you respect the people who are online, some of which want the level of immersion. It is under the terms and conditions that you do not ruin the experience of other players. If you receive a warning, it doesn't hurt you in anyway. Its like a traffic police telling you that you didn't signal on the road.

    However if you repeatedly cause problems, then the record is there for future scrutiny. Most players have not received any warning letter before. Why are you the only one? You are not answerable to me. You answer to yourself.
  • eliisra
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    I don't know exactly what happened. But I also know that it's super easy to unintentionally *** of roleplayers in online games, if you dont know the drill.

    Trying to interact with a roleplaying group makes them not so happy period lol. Just dont. Pretend they're not in the area, do not touch the rp chat channel, no emotes, no skills, make yourself tiny and mind your own business. That's what I do because I know the "rules" and I'm a fairly mature and considerate person.

    But a lot of new MMO players don't get it. ZoS or roleplaying community's cant just expect people to behave perfectly either srsly. New players will always get curious on what's going on when suddenly in the middle of a roleplay event. It's unavoidable if you have events in spots where people naturally pass by. They will engage or try to "join the fun" and kinda ruin stuff for a bit, but they dont intend to harass or harm.

    Seems that's what happened here. OP wanted to make contact out of curiosity and started dancing to get some silly attention. He was meet by the worse form of hostility, he got reported and warned. Now he will likely dislike roleplayers for the rest of his MMO life probably. Shame really. How hard can it be to send a whisper telling someone to go dance somewhere else?



  • TheTwistedRune
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    Genomic wrote: »
    Hmmm. I'm on the fence on this one. I do have a question though. What were you hoping to achieve by jumping on a table and dancing in front of a room full of roleplayers you don't know?

    Are you kidding me? ESO isn't church. People jump around, dance, emote all the time. They don't have to ask permission from a bunch of adults who think playing make-believe gives them special privileges.

    That does not answer my question. Where did I say people need to ask permission? My question was what did he hope to achieve? The debate to this argument lies in what motivated his actions.



    Edited by TheTwistedRune on March 9, 2016 12:46PM
  • TheTwistedRune
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    Lava_Croft wrote: »
    Hmmm. I'm on the fence on this one. I do have a question though. What were you hoping to achieve by jumping on a table and dancing in front of a room full of roleplayers you don't know?
    Turn this question around. Why does a room full of roleplayers expect everybody to bow to their whim just because their clique decided to roleplay in that very tavern, a public place accessible by everyone.

    The point of this argument is in his motives. I am not agreeing with either side. You can draw your own conclusions to what my question was implying. Even though is was directed at him, and only he can answer it. Not you.
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    Abeille wrote: »
    DDemon wrote: »
    Abeille wrote: »
    If someone is intentionally disrupting your gameplay, you report them. If you interact with them, you are feeding the troll. It is common knowledge that you shouldn't feed the troll.

    OP, you were not suspended or muted, maybe because ZOS did read the chat log and thought a warning was enough. Maybe you didn't mean any harm, but sometimes we make mistakes and people don't like it (I've been there too). What you did does come off as trolling, even if it wasn't your intention. Part of growing up is learning to ignore people that are bothering us, but being able to understand you made a mistake and learning from it is part of growing up too. Take that warning ZOS gave you and don't do it again.

    Do what again? The OP didn't even realize he was doing something wrong. Should we now be worried every time we use an enchanting table, the bank or any other kind place we have to use a lot and hope we won't disturb a roleplayer, in fear of being reported and it actually being acted on? I myself have stood on crafting tables, bank furniture and chairs due to the amount of people being at that location. Thinking back, I should have been banned long ago! oh my word, how dare I.

    That's not what the OP did. I am noticing that many people in this thread are not noticing that what the OP did isn't just something that happens on accident. He went to a table in an inn, with other players around it, climbed on it and danced. Your fingers don't just slip and make that happen.

    Doing what you describe does not break any rules by itself, however. Anyone is free to move his character anywhere in the game world and do whatever emote he wants by default.

    Only if doing so offends or disrupts other players should he refrain from doing so - but for that, he would first have to know that his activity offends someone. And you cannot expect him to read other people's minds - if no-one told him his behavior is disruptive, he has the right to assume it isn't.
  • Tdroid
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    xellink wrote: »
    Tdroid wrote: »
    xellink wrote: »
    catsgomeow wrote: »
    Ive nothing against the role playing community I enjoy the fact that they are here and having fun, but someone dancing on a table isn't abuse or harassment, if there is no verbal abuse or crudity then that person has just as much right to occupy that space as anyone else, if I payed a price to play here or sub then I have as much right to play how I feel as the next person and if I want to roleplay my character to jest with other roleplayers by dancing on a table then I will, I think there are just some people who need to stop being precious flowers and realise that in a public game you are going to have public interactions, and as I said if those interactions are not abusive or crude or verbal, then tough luck.

    Some areas should be flagged as RP protected i guess to prevent breaking of immersion which is the core of RP. But seriously its easier if players do their own self policing. This is an adult game after all. We need respectful players. Devs have the ability to read the chat logs. If you accidentally intruded an RP space, a often simple apology for intruding is usually enough. Imagine being the RPer and having to reply to a hundred apologies a day.

    This is the same for public spaces where events are held. If there is a stage set up in a park for example, you should not be jumping up and dancing naked in front of the audience if it wasn't part of the planned programme. This is common courtesy. There are more people wanting order than chaos. Likewise in this case, there are more RPers than one drunken nord.

    To the OP:
    Question, what gives role players higher priority over anyone else?

    There's one of you and many of them. To serve more customers, it is prudent for ZOS to meet the needs of the majority.

    But it is not prudent to simply take RPers side when it comes to a complaint. If there was no one asking him to stop, he shouldn't have been given a warning and the report should be ignored. Maybe they did ask him to stop, I don't know.

    Indeed, there should be clear rules around reporting interruptions of an RP event, starting with asking whoever is interupting to stop. If there aren't rules(and those rules are enforced, mind you), this seems to be easily exploitable by people who want to report others.

    @ZOS_GinaBruno

    Changing of policies: Compare with the attitudes of that regarding breast feeding in public.

    Like breastfeeding in public, since most players are from the US here, less than majority of people in a poll agreed that breast feeding should be done in public. Mindset has changed since the early 2000s and certain states have made discrimination against breast feeding illegal. In many countries, there are no laws for this. In the UK, breastfeeding is legal and it is illegal to tell somebody to stop breastfeeding in public. Nursing rooms are hard to find.

    Where I live, the society is more conservative and nursing rooms have been built in public areas as some people prefer to breast feed in public and also quietens the people who don't want to see it in public (at the cost of taxpayers money and at the demand of the majority). It is not illegal to breast feed in public and money could have been better spent elsewhere (in my opinion). ZOS is not the USA, it represents players from all over the world, and only a subset of the population in the US. Its policies will have to change depending on the needs of the majority.

    ZOS has to take the higher ground and exercise common sense in this case.

    Whether it is right for them to warn you

    To warning is to ask you to look at your blind spot, in the same manner as looking behind you before letting a door go. There are no laws about looking at your back and slamming doors in people's faces but if it is abused deliberately and liberally, I'm sure some surveillance systems will be set up. Looking at your surroundings is common courtesy.

    Trolling in ESO has been done deliberately and liberally, therefore whatever choice ZOS makes and its attitudes towards RPers and RP trolls is not a matter of right or wrong, but rather if this would benefit the majority and prevent harm in the future. This serves as a warning for you to look behind you before you close the door, not because you are an ***, but because the majority wants you to do so out of basic courtesy. In real life, good parenting (hopefully) would Society functions only if you communicate and cooperate with others.

    Unfortunately ZOS has to take some parenting role here because clearly people have not grown up enough to enforce logical self policing.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrn0px_anZs

    Most of the time policies are changed due to popular demand, public safety/enjoyment and enforcibility. Low CP caps, catch up mechanics are to pander to the RPers and casuals. These are sound policies ZOS has made and they are better off making such decisions as they have monitoring equipment we do not have. They do not sound illogical to me coming from a third person.

    One of the major problems with this reply, as far as I can tell, is that it does not address my point at all. I am saying there should be rules on what a report to ZOS about interupting of RP meetings to avoid the report system being abused by jerks.

    Unless they ask someone to stop, they have no way of knowing whether it was intentional or if it was a coincidence. Having no rules about this also creates an aura of uncertainty just playing the game, because some self-entitled prick decided he was going to report you for daring to walk through where he was RPing. Or some trolling prick decided he was going to pretend to RP so he could report people.

    Having this sort of loose rules about reporting does little but hand trolls and self-entitled pricks a blungeon to hit everyone else with. And I think that should be fairly obvious as a negative for the community as a whole. What's next? People who disagree with others in their group gets banned because they didn't "RP properly and therefor disrupted the RP"?
  • Thevampirenight
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    eliisra wrote: »
    I don't know exactly what happened. But I also know that it's super easy to unintentionally *** of roleplayers in online games, if you dont know the drill.

    Trying to interact with a roleplaying group makes them not so happy period lol. Just dont. Pretend they're not in the area, do not touch the rp chat channel, no emotes, no skills, make yourself tiny and mind your own business. That's what I do because I know the "rules" and I'm a fairly mature and considerate person.

    But a lot of new MMO players don't get it. ZoS or roleplaying community's cant just expect people to behave perfectly either srsly. New players will always get curious on what's going on when suddenly in the middle of a roleplay event. It's unavoidable if you have events in spots where people naturally pass by. They will engage or try to "join the fun" and kinda ruin stuff for a bit, but they dont intend to harass or harm.

    Seems that's what happened here. OP wanted to make contact out of curiosity and started dancing to get some silly attention. He was meet by the worse form of hostility, he got reported and warned. Now he will likely dislike roleplayers for the rest of his MMO life probably. Shame really. How hard can it be to send a whisper telling someone to go dance somewhere else?



    Well when you see a name, that is unfriendly and obviously shows they are not a rper or basically shows the quality of the player. People possibly would not want to rp with that person because it hurts to see it on the screen.
    Which is why they need to add a name change option. People will rp with those, that have those names just they got to put effort into learning, Basiclaly I will tell you what you don't want to do when you rp and these three things are disliked the most, God Modding, Meta gaming, and powergaming. I have learned these the hard way but now teach you by telling you what not to do.

    Godmodding- Basically a forced action caused by your character that basically means that other persons character has no control over what will happen to there character. So basically you want to attempt the action instead of autoing it. Sometimes it could be minor but people will still get angry about it. Basically newer rpers or those not told what it is will do this sometimes it takes them awhile to learn the concept of what it is.
    Meta Gaming is having knowledge your character should not have gained by occ means, sometimes even the best roleplayers might do this by mistake, it happens we all make mistakes so long as we learn from them over time, but yeah also not ever meeting a person and just auto knowing the name without good reason for knowing could be considered this.

    Power Gaming Basically what it is rping what you should not rp like a very high house lord that could basically effect the rp community this is basically what happens in the morrowind community in ep(na) They have house guilds basically desiding the laws of morrowind itself. By using minor houses with house lords that vote to pull it off.

    A lot of rpers will not like power gaming of this type some might. This is possibly why you won't find much rp in Morrowind now because rpers have been driven off because of the drama one guild icly made control of the ebony flask by making it a full brothel and this basically I think killed off rp in that location. Its rare I think to find rp it in Ebony flask now. Also the rp guilds in Morrowind has once icly destroyed this location and rebuilt it. Basically some of the rpers have very high and powerful house nobles or characters, and these characters weather they say it does have to effect people, in rp it basically will because the community has made those characters cannon as well as made locations sometimes off limits icly.

    Also another form of power gaming is like very op magic, or abilities people will not like those that can lift people off the ground with ease or whatever. But yeah Its still okay to rp a powerful mage so long as its not too powerful.
    Edited by Thevampirenight on March 9, 2016 1:14PM
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  • NerfPlease
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    Tdroid wrote: »

    One of the major problems with this reply, as far as I can tell, is that it does not address my point at all. I am saying there should be rules on what a report to ZOS about interupting of RP meetings to avoid the report system being abused by jerks.


    you mean rp-ers?
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    Sharee wrote: »
    Abeille wrote: »
    DDemon wrote: »
    Abeille wrote: »
    If someone is intentionally disrupting your gameplay, you report them. If you interact with them, you are feeding the troll. It is common knowledge that you shouldn't feed the troll.

    OP, you were not suspended or muted, maybe because ZOS did read the chat log and thought a warning was enough. Maybe you didn't mean any harm, but sometimes we make mistakes and people don't like it (I've been there too). What you did does come off as trolling, even if it wasn't your intention. Part of growing up is learning to ignore people that are bothering us, but being able to understand you made a mistake and learning from it is part of growing up too. Take that warning ZOS gave you and don't do it again.

    Do what again? The OP didn't even realize he was doing something wrong. Should we now be worried every time we use an enchanting table, the bank or any other kind place we have to use a lot and hope we won't disturb a roleplayer, in fear of being reported and it actually being acted on? I myself have stood on crafting tables, bank furniture and chairs due to the amount of people being at that location. Thinking back, I should have been banned long ago! oh my word, how dare I.

    That's not what the OP did. I am noticing that many people in this thread are not noticing that what the OP did isn't just something that happens on accident. He went to a table in an inn, with other players around it, climbed on it and danced. Your fingers don't just slip and make that happen.

    Doing what you describe does not break any rules by itself, however. Anyone is free to move his character anywhere in the game world and do whatever emote he wants by default.

    Only if doing so offends or disrupts other players should he refrain from doing so - but for that, he would first have to know that his activity offends someone. And you cannot expect him to read other people's minds - if no-one told him his behavior is disruptive, he has the right to assume it isn't.

    Sometimes we do offend or disrupt other players while thinking our actions are absolutely innocent. I've been there too. But he got the warning, and now he knows, so he can refrain from doing that again. He wasn't banned or muted for that.

    What he did on itself isn't against the rules, but it isn't something that just happens during a regular player session unlike some are claiming. No one is being asked to not use a building in the game or to not do a quest. Comparing it to going to the bank or a crafting table doesn't really fit. It is about respect, really. They are not disrupting your gameplay, so why would you disrupt theirs? Your freedom ends where the other person's freedom starts and all of that.

    Now, about him having the right to assume his behavior wasn't disruptive, then we go back to @TheTwistedRune 's question. What did OP hope to achieve with his behavior? We should ask this question to ourselves before doing this kind of thing, to avoid this kind of situation.
    Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.

    Meet my characters:
    Command: Do the thing.

    Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
    Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
    Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
    Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
    Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
    Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
    Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
    Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
    Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
    Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.
  • anitajoneb17_ESO
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    NerfPlease wrote: »
    you mean rp-ers?

    @NerfPlease , for your information :

    constructive

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    adjective
    1.
    constructing or tending to construct; helping to improve; promoting further development or advancement (opposed to destructive ):
    constructive comment, constructive criticism.
  • Tabbycat
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    I do see a few problems popping up throughout the thread.

    1. RPers assume that everyone knows they are RPing, even when it may not be obvious to other players.

    2. RPers assume that anyone interrupting their RP session is a troll.

    3. RPers assume that asking anyone to kindly stop interrupting their RP session will mean they will get harassed.

    4. RPers assume it is OK to report other players for interrupting their RP session without asking the offending party to stop the behavior first.

    Someone correct me if I'm wrong with this list.
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