If someone is intentionally disrupting your gameplay, you report them. If you interact with them, you are feeding the troll. It is common knowledge that you shouldn't feed the troll.
OP, you were not suspended or muted, maybe because ZOS did read the chat log and thought a warning was enough. Maybe you didn't mean any harm, but sometimes we make mistakes and people don't like it (I've been there too). What you did does come off as trolling, even if it wasn't your intention. Part of growing up is learning to ignore people that are bothering us, but being able to understand you made a mistake and learning from it is part of growing up too. Take that warning ZOS gave you and don't do it again.
Turn this question around. Why does a room full of roleplayers expect everybody to bow to their whim just because their clique decided to roleplay in that very tavern, a public place accessible by everyone.TheTwistedRune wrote: »Hmmm. I'm on the fence on this one. I do have a question though. What were you hoping to achieve by jumping on a table and dancing in front of a room full of roleplayers you don't know?
You don't have to do it in a church. Just do it in any bar or pub or public space. Lets see how long you can do it before getting escorted out. You can take off your clothes too for the added effect.
And. this. is. a. game. A computer game. Not a pub, not a church, not a park. Unbelievable how spoiled and petulant you RPers are. Well, not that unbelievable, considering you're a group of adults playing 8 year old level make-believe.
Role playing? You mean like fighting the war in Cyrodiil? Or going into dungeons looking for treasure? Stop pretending like you or anyone else has the monopoly on what exactly 'role playing' entails.anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »
You don't have to do it in a church. Just do it in any bar or pub or public space. Lets see how long you can do it before getting escorted out. You can take off your clothes too for the added effect.
And. this. is. a. game. A computer game. Not a pub, not a church, not a park. Unbelievable how spoiled and petulant you RPers are. Well, not that unbelievable, considering you're a group of adults playing 8 year old level make-believe.
@Genomic :
What do you think the letters "RP" stand for, in "MMORPG" ?
Yes, ROLE PLAYING, correct.
If you don't like or respect Role players, I suggest you go play another game, a FPS maybe ?
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If someone is intentionally disrupting your gameplay, you report them. If you interact with them, you are feeding the troll. It is common knowledge that you shouldn't feed the troll.
OP, you were not suspended or muted, maybe because ZOS did read the chat log and thought a warning was enough. Maybe you didn't mean any harm, but sometimes we make mistakes and people don't like it (I've been there too). What you did does come off as trolling, even if it wasn't your intention. Part of growing up is learning to ignore people that are bothering us, but being able to understand you made a mistake and learning from it is part of growing up too. Take that warning ZOS gave you and don't do it again.
Do what again? The OP didn't even realize he was doing something wrong. Should we now be worried every time we use an enchanting table, the bank or any other kind place we have to use a lot and hope we won't disturb a roleplayer, in fear of being reported and it actually being acted on? I myself have stood on crafting tables, bank furniture and chairs due to the amount of people being at that location. Thinking back, I should have been banned long ago! oh my word, how dare I.
trace_dragonbanenub18_ESO wrote: »I logged on today to find a message in my inbox about being Warned for Harassing another player. I'm like what the hell. Theres no explanation or anything. I write back to find out what exactly it is that I did, and this is the response,
Greetings,
Your account was reported for the harassment of players engaging in a role-playing event. Specifically, your character jumped on a table and began dancing to purposely disrupt their experience. To ensure a respectful and secure atmosphere for all our players, we ask that you cease this behavior.
1. I had quests in this Tavern that took me into that tavern.
2. There were a lot of people in the room and I jumped up on the table and danced.
3. Apparently we cannot engage role players under any circumstance otherwise its deemed harassment.
4. Nothing was said that was hurtful, but apparently dancing on a table is harassment.
5. Nobody asked me to stop or that I was interrupting them.
Question, what gives role players higher priority over anyone else? And, can we mark role players with a whiney symbol that we can see on the outside of Taverns before we go in so I don't accidently "interrupt" their "event". Seriously Zos, they choose to hold these events in high traffic areas, instantly report anyone who comes around and "dances on a table", and you feel somehow that's harassment? No wonder its free to play.
What should of happened.
1. Send an Email to the person(s) that reported me, and gently, not to offend, which Dance I was doing, how on earth I got onto the table in the first place, that way we can stop the dance animations, the ability to jump onto tables, and while we are at it, lets make doors lockable so they have the privacy they want.
Being reported for Harassment for being Social in a Social games is beyond stupid. Lets get our act together.
You don't have to do it in a church. Just do it in any bar or pub or public space. Lets see how long you can do it before getting escorted out. You can take off your clothes too for the added effect.
And. this. is. a. game. A computer game. Not a pub, not a church, not a park. Unbelievable how spoiled and petulant you RPers are. Well, not that unbelievable, considering you're a group of adults playing 8 year old level make-believe.
TheTwistedRune wrote: »Hmmm. I'm on the fence on this one. I do have a question though. What were you hoping to achieve by jumping on a table and dancing in front of a room full of roleplayers you don't know?
Are you kidding me? ESO isn't church. People jump around, dance, emote all the time. They don't have to ask permission from a bunch of adults who think playing make-believe gives them special privileges.
Lava_Croft wrote: »Turn this question around. Why does a room full of roleplayers expect everybody to bow to their whim just because their clique decided to roleplay in that very tavern, a public place accessible by everyone.TheTwistedRune wrote: »Hmmm. I'm on the fence on this one. I do have a question though. What were you hoping to achieve by jumping on a table and dancing in front of a room full of roleplayers you don't know?
If someone is intentionally disrupting your gameplay, you report them. If you interact with them, you are feeding the troll. It is common knowledge that you shouldn't feed the troll.
OP, you were not suspended or muted, maybe because ZOS did read the chat log and thought a warning was enough. Maybe you didn't mean any harm, but sometimes we make mistakes and people don't like it (I've been there too). What you did does come off as trolling, even if it wasn't your intention. Part of growing up is learning to ignore people that are bothering us, but being able to understand you made a mistake and learning from it is part of growing up too. Take that warning ZOS gave you and don't do it again.
Do what again? The OP didn't even realize he was doing something wrong. Should we now be worried every time we use an enchanting table, the bank or any other kind place we have to use a lot and hope we won't disturb a roleplayer, in fear of being reported and it actually being acted on? I myself have stood on crafting tables, bank furniture and chairs due to the amount of people being at that location. Thinking back, I should have been banned long ago! oh my word, how dare I.
That's not what the OP did. I am noticing that many people in this thread are not noticing that what the OP did isn't just something that happens on accident. He went to a table in an inn, with other players around it, climbed on it and danced. Your fingers don't just slip and make that happen.
catsgomeow wrote: »Ive nothing against the role playing community I enjoy the fact that they are here and having fun, but someone dancing on a table isn't abuse or harassment, if there is no verbal abuse or crudity then that person has just as much right to occupy that space as anyone else, if I payed a price to play here or sub then I have as much right to play how I feel as the next person and if I want to roleplay my character to jest with other roleplayers by dancing on a table then I will, I think there are just some people who need to stop being precious flowers and realise that in a public game you are going to have public interactions, and as I said if those interactions are not abusive or crude or verbal, then tough luck.
Some areas should be flagged as RP protected i guess to prevent breaking of immersion which is the core of RP. But seriously its easier if players do their own self policing. This is an adult game after all. We need respectful players. Devs have the ability to read the chat logs. If you accidentally intruded an RP space, a often simple apology for intruding is usually enough. Imagine being the RPer and having to reply to a hundred apologies a day.
This is the same for public spaces where events are held. If there is a stage set up in a park for example, you should not be jumping up and dancing naked in front of the audience if it wasn't part of the planned programme. This is common courtesy. There are more people wanting order than chaos. Likewise in this case, there are more RPers than one drunken nord.
To the OP:Question, what gives role players higher priority over anyone else?
There's one of you and many of them. To serve more customers, it is prudent for ZOS to meet the needs of the majority.
But it is not prudent to simply take RPers side when it comes to a complaint. If there was no one asking him to stop, he shouldn't have been given a warning and the report should be ignored. Maybe they did ask him to stop, I don't know.
Indeed, there should be clear rules around reporting interruptions of an RP event, starting with asking whoever is interupting to stop. If there aren't rules(and those rules are enforced, mind you), this seems to be easily exploitable by people who want to report others.
@ZOS_GinaBruno
Changing of policies: Compare with the attitudes of that regarding breast feeding in public.
Like breastfeeding in public, since most players are from the US here, less than majority of people in a poll agreed that breast feeding should be done in public. Mindset has changed since the early 2000s and certain states have made discrimination against breast feeding illegal. In many countries, there are no laws for this. In the UK, breastfeeding is legal and it is illegal to tell somebody to stop breastfeeding in public. Nursing rooms are hard to find.
Where I live, the society is more conservative and nursing rooms have been built in public areas as some people prefer to breast feed in public and also quietens the people who don't want to see it in public (at the cost of taxpayers money and at the demand of the majority). It is not illegal to breast feed in public and money could have been better spent elsewhere (in my opinion). ZOS is not the USA, it represents players from all over the world, and only a subset of the population in the US. Its policies will have to change depending on the needs of the majority.
ZOS has to take the higher ground and exercise common sense in this case.
Whether it is right for them to warn you
To warning is to ask you to look at your blind spot, in the same manner as looking behind you before letting a door go. There are no laws about looking at your back and slamming doors in people's faces but if it is abused deliberately and liberally, I'm sure some surveillance systems will be set up. Looking at your surroundings is common courtesy.
Trolling in ESO has been done deliberately and liberally, therefore whatever choice ZOS makes and its attitudes towards RPers and RP trolls is not a matter of right or wrong, but rather if this would benefit the majority and prevent harm in the future. This serves as a warning for you to look behind you before you close the door, not because you are an ***, but because the majority wants you to do so out of basic courtesy. In real life, good parenting (hopefully) would Society functions only if you communicate and cooperate with others.
Unfortunately ZOS has to take some parenting role here because clearly people have not grown up enough to enforce logical self policing.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrn0px_anZs
Most of the time policies are changed due to popular demand, public safety/enjoyment and enforcibility. Low CP caps, catch up mechanics are to pander to the RPers and casuals. These are sound policies ZOS has made and they are better off making such decisions as they have monitoring equipment we do not have. They do not sound illogical to me coming from a third person.
I don't know exactly what happened. But I also know that it's super easy to unintentionally *** of roleplayers in online games, if you dont know the drill.
Trying to interact with a roleplaying group makes them not so happy period lol. Just dont. Pretend they're not in the area, do not touch the rp chat channel, no emotes, no skills, make yourself tiny and mind your own business. That's what I do because I know the "rules" and I'm a fairly mature and considerate person.
But a lot of new MMO players don't get it. ZoS or roleplaying community's cant just expect people to behave perfectly either srsly. New players will always get curious on what's going on when suddenly in the middle of a roleplay event. It's unavoidable if you have events in spots where people naturally pass by. They will engage or try to "join the fun" and kinda ruin stuff for a bit, but they dont intend to harass or harm.
Seems that's what happened here. OP wanted to make contact out of curiosity and started dancing to get some silly attention. He was meet by the worse form of hostility, he got reported and warned. Now he will likely dislike roleplayers for the rest of his MMO life probably. Shame really. How hard can it be to send a whisper telling someone to go dance somewhere else?
If someone is intentionally disrupting your gameplay, you report them. If you interact with them, you are feeding the troll. It is common knowledge that you shouldn't feed the troll.
OP, you were not suspended or muted, maybe because ZOS did read the chat log and thought a warning was enough. Maybe you didn't mean any harm, but sometimes we make mistakes and people don't like it (I've been there too). What you did does come off as trolling, even if it wasn't your intention. Part of growing up is learning to ignore people that are bothering us, but being able to understand you made a mistake and learning from it is part of growing up too. Take that warning ZOS gave you and don't do it again.
Do what again? The OP didn't even realize he was doing something wrong. Should we now be worried every time we use an enchanting table, the bank or any other kind place we have to use a lot and hope we won't disturb a roleplayer, in fear of being reported and it actually being acted on? I myself have stood on crafting tables, bank furniture and chairs due to the amount of people being at that location. Thinking back, I should have been banned long ago! oh my word, how dare I.
That's not what the OP did. I am noticing that many people in this thread are not noticing that what the OP did isn't just something that happens on accident. He went to a table in an inn, with other players around it, climbed on it and danced. Your fingers don't just slip and make that happen.
Doing what you describe does not break any rules by itself, however. Anyone is free to move his character anywhere in the game world and do whatever emote he wants by default.
Only if doing so offends or disrupts other players should he refrain from doing so - but for that, he would first have to know that his activity offends someone. And you cannot expect him to read other people's minds - if no-one told him his behavior is disruptive, he has the right to assume it isn't.
NerfPlease wrote: »you mean rp-ers?