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Radiant Destruction
Lyar09
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1.6 radiant is back ZOS. This was 1 tick when i was at 40% health (read update below). Jesus beam is hitting waaaaaaaaay too hard. I dont understand how you fixed the ability in 1.7 and tweaked it for this update. Magicka templars are literally opening up with radiant destruction again. So sad
http://prnt.sc/acxc9s
Update: Since some people do not actually read what has been said in this thread. I AM NOT calling for a nerf. I was simply stating that this ability is hitting way too hard. The intent was to bring up as discussion of the ability as a whole and others opinions. I've done some further testing and reading of what others have said and I believe my health was de synced when I was hit. I would like to see this ability re looked at and possibly not be dodgeable and also not be an channeled ability. The goal for the community should be balance. An un dodgeable execute that is ranged and hits extremely hard is not balance. Please be mature and respectful of other opinions.
http://prnt.sc/acxc9s
Update: Since some people do not actually read what has been said in this thread. I AM NOT calling for a nerf. I was simply stating that this ability is hitting way too hard. The intent was to bring up as discussion of the ability as a whole and others opinions. I've done some further testing and reading of what others have said and I believe my health was de synced when I was hit. I would like to see this ability re looked at and possibly not be dodgeable and also not be an channeled ability. The goal for the community should be balance. An un dodgeable execute that is ranged and hits extremely hard is not balance. Please be mature and respectful of other opinions.
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Yoyuyi999✭✭✭✭balancedCharacters:
Magicka Dragonknight, Yoyuyi
Stamina Dragonknight, -Jombo
Magicka Templar, -Dombo
Magicka Sorceror, -Mombo
Magicka Nightblade, -Wombo
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Yoyuyi999✭✭✭✭truly poetic
Characters:
Magicka Dragonknight, Yoyuyi
Stamina Dragonknight, -Jombo
Magicka Templar, -Dombo
Magicka Sorceror, -Mombo
Magicka Nightblade, -Wombo
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timidobserver✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭DIdn't take long for the whine to start up again.V16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
V16 Derelict Vagabond EP Stamina DK
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Yoyuyi999✭✭✭✭timidobserver wrote: »DIdn't take long for the whine to start up again.
ya why do you thinkCharacters:
Magicka Dragonknight, Yoyuyi
Stamina Dragonknight, -Jombo
Magicka Templar, -Dombo
Magicka Sorceror, -Mombo
Magicka Nightblade, -Wombo
Magicka Dragonknight, -Combo
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Akinos✭✭✭✭✭
✭timidobserver wrote: »DIdn't take long for the whine to start up again.
Right? It's pretty unlikely he was actually at 40% hp for that. 22k ticks is what happens to people who are at like 5% hp or less.PC NA | @AkinosPvP 1vX/Small Scaler, Raid Leader, Youtuber and Twitch.tv Streamer.MAGICKA MELEE IS LIFE!Magplar, MagDK, Magden, Magblade, Magsorc & Magcro PvP/Build videos & moretwitch.tv/akinospvp13 -
RinaldoGandolphi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭That didn't take long...
Templars don't really have much....its ok for Nightblades to spam Surprise Attack faceroll DPS, but heaven forbid a Templar gets an execute that actually ya know...kills people....just saying...Rinaldo Gandolphi-Breton Sorcerer Daggerfall Covenant
Juste Gandolphi Dark Elf Templar Daggerfall Covenant
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✭timidobserver wrote: »DIdn't take long for the whine to start up again.
Right? It's pretty unlikely he was actually at 40% hp for that. 22k ticks is what happens to people who are at like 5% hp or less.
This.
I had a 20k jesus beam but that was because i got hit by everything all at once and that jesus beam was on me since 40% HP.
My jesus beams are not op but they do hurt ALOT once i get your hp down.7 -
Lyar09✭✭✭✭✭It is hilarious that the people defending it are all templar users of radiant destruction. And Akinos I was at 40%. Next time it happens ill shadowplay it for ya. Many people are mentioning the increased damage of this ability and people are spamming it as an opener. The ability was working just fine prior to this patch. Stop being so biased ffs.PC/NA | twitch.tv/ohhlyar | youtube.com/lyaryt11
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AriBoh✭✭✭✭✭It is hilarious that the people defending it are all templar users of radiant destruction. And Akinos I was at 40%. Next time it happens ill shadowplay it for ya. Many people are mentioning the increased damage of this ability and people are spamming it as an opener. The ability was working just fine prior to this patch. Stop being so biased ffs.
Wow templars defending a templar skill? *** thats meta.khele23eb17
Agreed. Whoever came up with the design should be shot in the foot and only admitted to hospital when he manages to find 3 other people willing to maim themselves the same way in order to accompany him.
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Ultimately, any method of entering an enemy keep without breaking down the door is considered an exploit. Thanks for checking!
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MormondPayne_EP✭✭✭✭It is hilarious that the people defending it are all templar users of radiant destruction. And Akinos I was at 40%. Next time it happens ill shadowplay it for ya. Many people are mentioning the increased damage of this ability and people are spamming it as an opener. The ability was working just fine prior to this patch. Stop being so biased ffs.
Are you an NB?
Yeah?
Thought so...
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Akinos✭✭✭✭✭
✭It is hilarious that the people defending it are all templar users of radiant destruction. And Akinos I was at 40%. Next time it happens ill shadowplay it for ya. Many people are mentioning the increased damage of this ability and people are spamming it as an opener. The ability was working just fine prior to this patch. Stop being so biased ffs.
"Many people" being you and your small circle of friends, lol. And last I checked, radiant didn't get a damage buff. That extra damage is coming from the combination of the Thaumaturge and Elemental Expert CP passives.
And people might stop being biased when players like yourself stop acting superior and entitled.Edited by Akinos on March 9, 2016 5:27AMPC NA | @AkinosPvP 1vX/Small Scaler, Raid Leader, Youtuber and Twitch.tv Streamer.MAGICKA MELEE IS LIFE!Magplar, MagDK, Magden, Magblade, Magsorc & Magcro PvP/Build videos & moretwitch.tv/akinospvp21 -
Akinos✭✭✭✭✭
✭MormondPayne_EP wrote: »It is hilarious that the people defending it are all templar users of radiant destruction. And Akinos I was at 40%. Next time it happens ill shadowplay it for ya. Many people are mentioning the increased damage of this ability and people are spamming it as an opener. The ability was working just fine prior to this patch. Stop being so biased ffs.
Are you an NB?
Yeah?
Thought so...
I think he's a stamplar....might aswell be a nightblade though lol.PC NA | @AkinosPvP 1vX/Small Scaler, Raid Leader, Youtuber and Twitch.tv Streamer.MAGICKA MELEE IS LIFE!Magplar, MagDK, Magden, Magblade, Magsorc & Magcro PvP/Build videos & moretwitch.tv/akinospvp4 -
vyndral13preub18_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭If only there was some way to counter the extra damage people could do with their CP...1 -
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✭✭✭✭MormondPayne_EP wrote: »It is hilarious that the people defending it are all templar users of radiant destruction. And Akinos I was at 40%. Next time it happens ill shadowplay it for ya. Many people are mentioning the increased damage of this ability and people are spamming it as an opener. The ability was working just fine prior to this patch. Stop being so biased ffs.
Are you an NB?
Yeah?
Thought so...
I think he's a stamplar....might aswell be a nightblade though lol.
All I know is that if 25k is 40% of his health he has more health then anyone I have seen. Thats like what 62k? I guess ive never tried to see how much health I could get.Edited by vyndral13preub18_ESO on March 9, 2016 5:37AM7 -
Yiko✭✭✭✭✭MormondPayne_EP wrote: »Just shut the *** up about Templar...
The class has had enough nerfs.MormondPayne_EP wrote: »Are you an NB?
Yeah?
Thought so...
You asked what class he was and vaguely referenced templar changes in the past, completely avoiding the actual focus of the topic (hint: it's radiant destruction). Please demonstrate some actual understanding or insight of your class and how it relates to the emerging meta.
I've personally heard of players getting 17k+ & 19k+ single ticks on enemies in PVP. Do you think this is reasonable? Why or why not? And don't answer: Yes, because templars have been nerfed in the past!!!
Personally, I didn't miss the undodgeable ranged execute. Damage probably needs to be toned down (it's another spell that benefits from both Thaumaturge and Elemental Expert IIRC), but I wouldn't mind if it was made dodgeable again either. Whatever happens (and I know it's only been two days since the patch dropped), the ability needs more counterplay imo.11 -
KenaPKK✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭But...when faced with multiple opponents, try using Spear Shards or Piercing Javelin to even the odds!
ZoS's response to this: L2p sir.Kena
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MormondPayne_EP✭✭✭✭MormondPayne_EP wrote: »Just shut the *** up about Templar...
The class has had enough nerfs.MormondPayne_EP wrote: »Are you an NB?
Yeah?
Thought so...
You asked what class he was and vaguely referenced templar changes in the past, completely avoiding the actual focus of the topic (hint: it's radiant destruction). Please demonstrate some actual understanding or insight of your class and how it relates to the emerging meta.
I've personally heard of players getting 17k+ & 19k+ single ticks on enemies in PVP. Do you think this is reasonable? Why or why not? And don't answer: Yes, because templars have been nerfed in the past!!!
Personally, I didn't miss the undodgeable ranged execute. Damage probably needs to be toned down (it's another spell that benefits from both Thaumaturge and Elemental Expert IIRC), but I wouldn't mind if it was made dodgeable again either. Whatever happens (and I know it's only been two days since the patch dropped), the ability needs more counterplay imo.
You are misrepresenting things and "personally heard" meaning someone has told you a garbage story with inflated numbers.
I've been using Radiant since I read your garbage topic and I have hit enemy players for 17k hits or so. Those players have been all at <10% health and I'm fully buffed.
In fact, since you came back on here with the condescension you displayed above, I have been using it EXCLUSIVELY against every enemy I see which, more often than not, results in my death just to prove your idiotic point wrong... and at no time have I hit anyone for a 17k hit when they are near 40-50% health.
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Lyar09✭✭✭✭✭It is hilarious that the people defending it are all templar users of radiant destruction. And Akinos I was at 40%. Next time it happens ill shadowplay it for ya. Many people are mentioning the increased damage of this ability and people are spamming it as an opener. The ability was working just fine prior to this patch. Stop being so biased ffs.
"Many people" being you and your small circle of friends, lol. And last I checked, radiant didn't get a damage buff. That extra damage is coming from the combination of the Thaumaturge and Elemental Expert CP passives.
And people might stop being biased when players like yourself stop acting superior and entitled.
In what way am I acting "superior" or "entitled"? So you're saying @blabafat is the same? He also has made a post about the damage being a little ridiculous.PC/NA | twitch.tv/ohhlyar | youtube.com/lyaryt4 -
Manoekin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭It does good damage when you're in execute range. Why shouldn't it? You obviously lied in your OP to exaggerate the issue. ZOS just needs to make the ticks show separate on the recap so people don't see 20k and cry nerf so easily.10 -
Dread_Guy✭✭✭✭✭It is hilarious that the people defending it are all templar users of radiant destruction. And Akinos I was at 40%. Next time it happens ill shadowplay it for ya. Many people are mentioning the increased damage of this ability and people are spamming it as an opener. The ability was working just fine prior to this patch. Stop being so biased ffs.
"Many people" being you and your small circle of friends, lol. And last I checked, radiant didn't get a damage buff. That extra damage is coming from the combination of the Thaumaturge and Elemental Expert CP passives.
And people might stop being biased when players like yourself stop acting superior and entitled.
In what way am I acting "superior" or "entitled"? So you're saying @blabafat is the same? He also has made a post about the damage being a little ridiculous.
yes, because blabafat is the emperor and voice of every templar and his word is law...right..."My name is Julius Decimus Heraclius, Guildmaster of the Scions of the Sun, Brigadier of the Covenant Army, loyal servant to the High King Emeric. Brother to a betrayed legion, son to a fallen empire. And I will have my vengeance, in this life or the next." ---Julius Decimus Heraclius (Imperial Templar)4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭It is hilarious that the people defending it are all templar users of radiant destruction. And Akinos I was at 40%. Next time it happens ill shadowplay it for ya. Many people are mentioning the increased damage of this ability and people are spamming it as an opener. The ability was working just fine prior to this patch. Stop being so biased ffs.
You call him biased while you contend that an ability that one can only use while holding one's crotch, being unable to move, block, or defend yourself and subject to interruption, that anyone can simply dodge away and then be out of range of the immobile caster is "working just fine"?
Make Rush of Agony "Monsters only." People should not be consecutively crowd controlled in a PvP setting. Period.3 -
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✭✭✭✭More whine, at this level it cause nothing but laugh.Edited by Cinbri on March 9, 2016 7:56AM0 -
PrinceFabious✭✭✭✭✭Well, all stam classes can still roll dodge and spam shuffle like theres no tomorrow. Lets at least give templars something to fun.3
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Husan✭✭✭✭✭I was fighting Jo'hkaljor yesterday, and I got him down to about 20% health. With victory in sight I proceded to radiant destruction him. There was no 22k dmg. All there was is a bash from him and my radiant destruction stopped. I tried again, this time he was up to ~30% health from his vigor. Bashed. Within seconds he was out of execution range and the fight went on until the NPCs on the resource respawned and wrecked me
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✭✭✭✭✭Agree with OP, and the first tick doesnt even show, you just die and the deathcap sais 10-15k radiant destruction (in one tick)
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Lisbette✭✭✭Templars have been the red headed step child of ESO for so long. Let them have at least 1 broken ability. (Compared to 3-4 for every other class)
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Asmael✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭After reviewing @blabafat 's video on RD's, it's a mistake on his side for having Proxy pop before RD, so, the execute was actually at very low health.
RD has never been an issue 1v1, it's just extremely cheesy in outnumbered situations, even more so than WB, simply because you can't deal with the guys using it. Good luck interrupting 3 templars that are spread out as you keep getting CC'd and snared.
This is less of an issue for magicka builds, who don't rely on block / dodge roll for their defense, but stamina builds, obviously, get the short end of the stick, as they basically have to rely on LoS.
And no, "but the class was nerfed too much in the past!" is not an excuse. I main a mag DK, that doesn't mean I'm fine with the ridiculously high numbers on Burning Embers, nor can accept to see NBs' have their cloak gutted as much as this.
Solution?
Add more rocks and trees in Cyro, then wait for the #NerfTree an #NerfRock comments.Edited by Asmael on March 9, 2016 9:55AMPC EU - Zahraji of the Void, aka "Kitty", the fluffiest salmon genocider in town.
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