Uhh..Radiant Destruction NEEDS TO BE TONED DOWN

blabafat · March 2016

This is ridiculous. 17K tick on a player, and I don't stack full damage. A friend of mine got a 19k tick. PER TICK? That's absurd, and it's like 1.6 all over again. Radiant destruction shouldn't be dodgeable, but the damage needs to be toned down FOR SURE.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfGHuM3ZKoU

Yoyuyi999 · March 2016

what're you doing!!!! your a templar, you can't say your own class is op, it's against the eso rules!

threefarms · March 2016

Yoyuyi999 wrote: »

what're you doing!!!! your a templar, you can't say your own class is op, it's against the eso rules!

I literally just thought the same thing.

notimetocare · March 2016

Nah Blab is awesome, all the crying Templar could learn from him :P

Ra'Shtar · March 2016

Well he was in execute range and it was a crit, his bad for not using impen.

Edit: I have seen far more op things like a crystal frag hitting for 23k in PvP

Yoyuyi999 · March 2016

Ra'Shtar wrote: »

Well he was in execute range and it was a crit, his bad for not using impen.

hahahahhaahhahaahhahahhaahahahaahahahaaa

timidobserver · March 2016

I guess it is time to end up with a broken/useless Radiant for another half a year once ZOS goes in and tries to nerf it and breaks it again.

Yoyuyi999 · March 2016

timidobserver wrote: »

I guess it is time to end up with a broken/useless Radiant for another half a year once ZOS goes in and tries to nerf it and breaks it again.

"DIdn't take long for the whine to start up again."

- You on another thread regarding Radiant

vyndral13preub18_ESO · March 2016

Get out of his house dumbo.

timidobserver wrote: »

I guess it is time to end up with a broken/useless Radiant for another half a year once ZOS goes in and tries to nerf it and breaks it again.

No worries Dark Flare is next.

They kept nerfing templar utility and healing and buffing Templar damage. When most Templars werent complaining about damage. Welcome to the you will do damage and you will like it age!

Ampnode · March 2016

Maybe I'm biased about Radiant, but I agree with blab on this. I realize it's an executioner 'n' all, but it's currently the strongest execute atm. Wish my 2H Executioner did that damage

david.haypreub18_ESO · March 2016

Wrobel: Templars don't need survivability or mobility or resources, we'll just give them moar DPS!

Players: Templar DPS is too high, please nerf it.

Wrobel: Ok, we'll nerf their DPS.

Templar players: So what about that survivability, mobility, and resources?

Wrobel: Sorry, can't help you anymore; your utter lack of survivability, mobility, and resources is now a feature!

blabafat · March 2016

Ra'Shtar wrote: »

Well he was in execute range and it was a crit, his bad for not using impen.

Edit: I have seen far more op things like a crystal frag hitting for 23k in PvP

Neither of those things justify a 17k crit being balanced. It's a single tick. It's undodgeable, and it happens in like less than a second lol. As a magicka templar since summer 2014, I genuinely think it's broken OP

Nifty2g · March 2016

you know this video isn't a great example blab, your radiant hit after your prox det did, meaning he was on 1% so he was taking an amazing amount of execute damage + your current max magic

avelopolcakb14a_ESO · March 2016

Yoyuyi999 wrote: »

what're you doing!!!! your a templar, you can't say your own class is op, it's against the eso rules!

So an isolated incident in which you crit a player in execute range with a maxed out character, in perfect gear, and with a *** ton of champion points, means the skill needs to be toned down?

Why did you even make this thread?

timidobserver · March 2016

blabafat wrote: »

Ra'Shtar wrote: »

Well he was in execute range and it was a crit, his bad for not using impen.

Edit: I have seen far more op things like a crystal frag hitting for 23k in PvP

Neither of those things justify a 17k crit being balanced. It's a single tick. It's undodgeable, and it happens in like less than a second lol. As a magicka templar since summer 2014, I genuinely think it's broken OP

ZOS only has two speeds when it comes to Radiant Destruction.
1. Broken in our favor.
2. Broken not in our favor.

It has been either 1 or 2 since they introduced it. After dealing with number 2 for six months and while overload gets hotfixed in 24 hours, I'll take number 1 this time around.

DHale · March 2016

Well... get out of his house or else!

ThatGuyCameron · March 2016

blab is an undercover Templar nerfer who tries to make our class look better than it is, catering to the light armor wearing pro-DPS player population while killing off tank and healer group gameplay.

vyndral13preub18_ESO · March 2016

david.haypreub18_ESO wrote: »

Wrobel: Templars don't need survivability or mobility or resources, we'll just give them moar DPS!

Players: Templar DPS is too high, please nerf it.

Wrobel: Ok, we'll nerf their DPS.

Templar players: So what about that survivability, mobility, and resources?

Wrobel: Sorry, can't help you anymore; your utter lack of survivability, mobility, and resources is now a feature!

Hey it isnt their fault. They dont have time between major patches for skills all they can do is tweak numbers. So even if you spend the whole PTS telling them they are off base with the class once it is on live its to late. We only have time for damage control now, so nerf away.

But have no fear next major dlc when they have time they will agin nerf more utility and survivabilty and increase damage, so they can again nerf it when it goes live...wait that doesnt seem like a good plan...oh well history repeats itself and all that.

Nifty2g · March 2016

timidobserver wrote: »

blabafat wrote: »

Ra'Shtar wrote: »

Well he was in execute range and it was a crit, his bad for not using impen.

Edit: I have seen far more op things like a crystal frag hitting for 23k in PvP

Neither of those things justify a 17k crit being balanced. It's a single tick. It's undodgeable, and it happens in like less than a second lol. As a magicka templar since summer 2014, I genuinely think it's broken OP

ZOS only has two speeds when it comes to Radiant Destruction.
1. Broken in our favor.
2. Broken not in our favor.

It has been either 1 or 2 since they introduced it. After dealing with number 2 for six months and while overload gets hotfixed in 24 hours, I'll take number 1 this time around.

It's not broken, if a player is on 1% health you do a full buffed execute that crits as well it's going to do an insane amount of damage for 1 tick that is pretty much very ineffective if the person is already on 1% health lol
Plus I've been doing that since last patch anyway I don't think its that common

SeptimusDova · March 2016

How did that get missed in the PTS ?

timidobserver · March 2016

Nifty2g wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

blabafat wrote: »

Ra'Shtar wrote: »

Well he was in execute range and it was a crit, his bad for not using impen.

Edit: I have seen far more op things like a crystal frag hitting for 23k in PvP

Neither of those things justify a 17k crit being balanced. It's a single tick. It's undodgeable, and it happens in like less than a second lol. As a magicka templar since summer 2014, I genuinely think it's broken OP

ZOS only has two speeds when it comes to Radiant Destruction.
1. Broken in our favor.
2. Broken not in our favor.

It has been either 1 or 2 since they introduced it. After dealing with number 2 for six months and while overload gets hotfixed in 24 hours, I'll take number 1 this time around.

It's not broken, if a player is on 1% health you do a full buffed execute that crits as well it's going to do an insane amount of damage for 1 tick that is pretty much very ineffective if the person is already on 1% health lol
Plus I've been doing that since last patch anyway I don't think its that common

After looking more closely at the video you are right. It looks like it was probably something near max execute bonus tick.

avelopolcakb14a_ESO · March 2016

SeptimusDova wrote: »

How did that get missed in the PTS ?

They've changed nothing about the damage of the skill. It's functioning exactly like it used to. You're just seeing a crit plus the target being at extremely low health. If the player wasn't in execute range RD would not have looked so impressive. It fizzles when targets aren't at low life. Its not like wrecking blows which you can spam for 10k multiple times in a row from full health. How this is the first cry for a nerf is beyond me

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO · March 2016

no it does not. the only reason you get high ticks is because healing and damage shields. do not nerf
a sorc only has 20k health> that means he only has 5k left to start bonus damage... so a 17k tic cant exist if they dont throw up a 12k shield, which they do.

Dread_Guy · March 2016

so an execute that's doing it's execute damage on a low health target is too high...right...

Akinos · March 2016

I posted this on blab's video too:

It only hits that hard when it crits on people that are near death anyways, like 5% or less hp. I did a 22k tick the last time they made changes to RD on somebody that had like 2% hp. http://s11.postimg.org/ypeixlhxf/radiant.png I don't think it's OP or unbalanced considering it's an execute and that's exactly what it does. Especially with all the ways to counter it. There are way more OP and unbalanced things in ESO then hitting somebody who was about to die anyways for 17k. Like being hit for 17k with 8 impen while at full hp....cough dawnbreaker.

Akinos · March 2016

Nifty2g wrote: »

you know this video isn't a great example blab, your radiant hit after your prox det did, meaning he was on 1% so he was taking an amazing amount of execute damage + your current max magic

It's sad that everybody is crying nerf already. RD has been this way. And only only does that kinda of damage on players with EXTREMELY low health. Such low health that anything would of killed them at that point. People are only looking at the fat 17k tick on somebody with 1% hp and disregarding everything else involved in such numbers.

Ampnode · March 2016

Akinos wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

you know this video isn't a great example blab, your radiant hit after your prox det did, meaning he was on 1% so he was taking an amazing amount of execute damage + your current max magic

It's sad that everybody is crying nerf already. RD has been this way. And only only does that kinda of damage on players with EXTREMELY low health. Such low health that anything would of killed them at that point. People are only looking at the fat 17k tick on somebody with 1% hp and disregarding everything else involved in such numbers.

Templars are running rampant in Cyro atm. I've been just getting damn spammed with Radiants and dying because I can't do a THING about it. At full health they're hitting for 3K+ ticks. Can't dodge it, block it, or heal through any of it. The fact it can be increased by 50% damage because of CP is one reason why it's hitting so hard. PvP at the current moment is 95% unplayable. Prox dets, meteors, FOTM magicka builds, and so on. Absolutely saddening.

Radburn · March 2016

Akinos wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

you know this video isn't a great example blab, your radiant hit after your prox det did, meaning he was on 1% so he was taking an amazing amount of execute damage + your current max magic

It's sad that everybody is crying nerf already. RD has been this way. And only only does that kinda of damage on players with EXTREMELY low health. Such low health that anything would of killed them at that point. People are only looking at the fat 17k tick on somebody with 1% hp and disregarding everything else involved in such numbers.

This!

The 17K you are seeing is the full 330% increase to damage + critical damage + 20% increase using radiant oppression. You only get that kind of damage at the very lowest portion of health, I would say less than 10%. For execute phases on bosses we're talking 1, maybe 2 full cast before the target is dead. In Pvp for it to tick at 17k it would mean the player's health is so low he is already dead.

There's no doubt it is dangerous now with the Cp changes and not being able to dodge roll out of it. People need to recondition their brains and realize Templars are no longer guaranteed kills, we bite back now.

Tomato · March 2016

All you see today is Proxy Det and radiant destruction spammed at 90%

danno8 · March 2016

blabafat wrote: »

This is ridiculous. 17K tick on a player, and I don't stack full damage. A friend of mine got a 19k tick. PER TICK? That's absurd, and it's like 1.6 all over again. Radiant destruction shouldn't be dodgeable, but the damage needs to be toned down FOR SURE.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfGHuM3ZKoU

Dude. You have Major Sorcery up, Minor Sorcery up, the guys is at 1% health and it is an execute skill.

It damn well should hit for 17k if you are specced for high dps in that scenario.

edit: Oh lord and it's a crit. I didn't even notice that at first. This damage is perfectly acceptable.

babedenny · March 2016

NERF EVERYTHING!!!