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WHEN WILL TEMPLARS GET MAJOR BRUTALITY?!!?
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OdinForge✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭TheM0rganism wrote: »
You have not said anything correct in this thread to backup your fragile and scattered argument.
Actually this applies to you more than anyone else here.
You still haven't proven your point from the post I responded to earlier. You claim Stamina Templar is "just as strong" as other stamina classes, BEFORE thieves guild. So prove it. List out the pro's a cons of each stamina class, you'll see Templar clearly in last place. Stop acting like there were no problems with the class last patch because you are clearly wrong. Also, cleansing projectiles was a bug and it has been fixed. So once again please educate yourself before you make ridiculous arguments.
Are you serious?
Have you ever picked up a bow with shuffle and purify, the fact that you're even asking this question shows how disconnected you are with Templar. Why don't you try fighting one of these guys. I'm not going to teach you how to play your own class, learn for yourself.
Why don't you pick your poison here. I see top notch builds taking advantage of class skills and passives and a long standing meta using 2H and Bow, just like any other stamina DK or NB or Sorc. Templar has been good, you guys are funny.
You're argument that Templars are "just fine" is based on a series of videos featuring CP-capped streamers using AT LEAST a half-dozen add-ons and $2500+ gaming rigs?
ZOS should give you a job immediately.
You're beyond help, if Templar was the number 1 class you'd still be last to the finish line, end of story. This isn't about Templars being bad or good, it's about you and the other guy not understanding how to play the game. No amount of changing Templar can fix that.Edited by OdinForge on March 8, 2016 8:42PMThe Age of Wrobel.0 -
AfkNinja✭✭✭✭✭
✭TheM0rganism wrote: »
You have not said anything correct in this thread to backup your fragile and scattered argument.
Actually this applies to you more than anyone else here.
You still haven't proven your point from the post I responded to earlier. You claim Stamina Templar is "just as strong" as other stamina classes, BEFORE thieves guild. So prove it. List out the pro's a cons of each stamina class, you'll see Templar clearly in last place. Stop acting like there were no problems with the class last patch because you are clearly wrong. Also, cleansing projectiles was a bug and it has been fixed. So once again please educate yourself before you make ridiculous arguments.
Are you serious?
Have you ever picked up a bow with shuffle and purify, the fact that you're even asking this question shows how disconnected you are with Templar. Why don't you try fighting one of these guys. I'm not going to teach you how to play your own class, learn for yourself.
Why don't you pick your poison here. I see top notch builds taking advantage of class skills and passives and a long standing meta using 2H and Bow, just like any other stamina DK or NB or Sorc. Templar has been good, you guys are funny.
You're argument that Templars are "just fine" is based on a series of videos featuring CP-capped streamers using AT LEAST a half-dozen add-ons and $2500+ gaming rigs?
ZOS should give you a job immediately.
You're beyond help, if Templar was a number 1 class you'd still be last to the finish line, end of story.
Stop insulting and provide an actual argument then. Rank the Stamina classes in YOUR OPINION last patch so we can properly debate.1 -
OdinForge✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭TheM0rganism wrote: »
You have not said anything correct in this thread to backup your fragile and scattered argument.
Actually this applies to you more than anyone else here.
You still haven't proven your point from the post I responded to earlier. You claim Stamina Templar is "just as strong" as other stamina classes, BEFORE thieves guild. So prove it. List out the pro's a cons of each stamina class, you'll see Templar clearly in last place. Stop acting like there were no problems with the class last patch because you are clearly wrong. Also, cleansing projectiles was a bug and it has been fixed. So once again please educate yourself before you make ridiculous arguments.
Are you serious?
Have you ever picked up a bow with shuffle and purify, the fact that you're even asking this question shows how disconnected you are with Templar. Why don't you try fighting one of these guys. I'm not going to teach you how to play your own class, learn for yourself.
Why don't you pick your poison here. I see top notch builds taking advantage of class skills and passives and a long standing meta using 2H and Bow, just like any other stamina DK or NB or Sorc. Templar has been good, you guys are funny.
You're argument that Templars are "just fine" is based on a series of videos featuring CP-capped streamers using AT LEAST a half-dozen add-ons and $2500+ gaming rigs?
ZOS should give you a job immediately.
You're beyond help, if Templar was a number 1 class you'd still be last to the finish line, end of story.
Stop insulting and provide an actual argument then. Rank the Stamina classes in YOUR OPINION last patch so we can properly debate.
I have 3 pages of argument here, that you fail to understand or even counter.
You want Templar to be easy mode, we get it. By the way bringing up the previous mending passive, completely irrelevant to this thread as Stamplar uses vigor and rally. You think you're making arguments but you're just muddying the water. The fact that you're trying to make up one global rank over an opinion is stupid. There are too many aspects of the game, but Templar does come out near the top in open world.
Your sole argument here is where you believe Templar sits on some opinionated ranking system. And it's just simply flawed. Like someone who sits on a car forum and argues testing and manufacturer numbers instead of learning to do the thing you're arguing about.Edited by OdinForge on March 8, 2016 8:54PMThe Age of Wrobel.0 -
AfkNinja✭✭✭✭✭
✭TheM0rganism wrote: »
You have not said anything correct in this thread to backup your fragile and scattered argument.
Actually this applies to you more than anyone else here.
You still haven't proven your point from the post I responded to earlier. You claim Stamina Templar is "just as strong" as other stamina classes, BEFORE thieves guild. So prove it. List out the pro's a cons of each stamina class, you'll see Templar clearly in last place. Stop acting like there were no problems with the class last patch because you are clearly wrong. Also, cleansing projectiles was a bug and it has been fixed. So once again please educate yourself before you make ridiculous arguments.
Are you serious?
Have you ever picked up a bow with shuffle and purify, the fact that you're even asking this question shows how disconnected you are with Templar. Why don't you try fighting one of these guys. I'm not going to teach you how to play your own class, learn for yourself.
Why don't you pick your poison here. I see top notch builds taking advantage of class skills and passives and a long standing meta using 2H and Bow, just like any other stamina DK or NB or Sorc. Templar has been good, you guys are funny.
You're argument that Templars are "just fine" is based on a series of videos featuring CP-capped streamers using AT LEAST a half-dozen add-ons and $2500+ gaming rigs?
ZOS should give you a job immediately.
You're beyond help, if Templar was a number 1 class you'd still be last to the finish line, end of story.
Stop insulting and provide an actual argument then. Rank the Stamina classes in YOUR OPINION last patch so we can properly debate.
I have 3 pages of argument here, that you fail to understand or even counter.
You want Templar to be easy mode, we get it.
Did you actually read any of my responses? Cause it just seems like you're trolling now. Answer the question, rank the stamina classes from Imperial City.
Edit: Templar issues. Educate yourself before you spit out nonsense and attack actual Templar's that know what they are talking about. Over 80 pages of Feedback related to the state of Templar's with Imperial City, clearly we are all just imagining it LOL.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/245184/official-feedback-thread-for-templars#latestEdited by AfkNinja on March 8, 2016 10:12PM1 -
TheM0rganism✭✭✭TheM0rganism wrote: »
You have not said anything correct in this thread to backup your fragile and scattered argument.
Actually this applies to you more than anyone else here.
You still haven't proven your point from the post I responded to earlier. You claim Stamina Templar is "just as strong" as other stamina classes, BEFORE thieves guild. So prove it. List out the pro's a cons of each stamina class, you'll see Templar clearly in last place. Stop acting like there were no problems with the class last patch because you are clearly wrong. Also, cleansing projectiles was a bug and it has been fixed. So once again please educate yourself before you make ridiculous arguments.
Are you serious?
Have you ever picked up a bow with shuffle and purify, the fact that you're even asking this question shows how disconnected you are with Templar. Why don't you try fighting one of these guys. I'm not going to teach you how to play your own class, learn for yourself.
Why don't you pick your poison here. I see top notch builds taking advantage of class skills and passives and a long standing meta using 2H and Bow, just like any other stamina DK or NB or Sorc. Templar has been good, you guys are funny.
You're argument that Templars are "just fine" is based on a series of videos featuring CP-capped streamers using AT LEAST a half-dozen add-ons and $2500+ gaming rigs?
ZOS should give you a job immediately.
You're beyond help, if Templar was the number 1 class you'd still be last to the finish line, end of story. This isn't about Templars being bad or good, it's about you and the other guy not understanding how to play the game. No amount of changing Templar can fix that.
kek.
It's clearly becoming a thread about people wanting parity amoungst the classes vs. someone who think's FotM-Cookie-Cutter-Builds should be the absolute end-all.
ofc you run NB...lmaoPS4 DC Stamina Templar Tank/DPS...because I ALWAYS play on hard mode
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Essiaga✭✭✭✭TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »I'm a nb...I use rally...rally is not a nb skill...it is a 2h skill...you are templar...you can use 2h skills...you can use rally...you have major brut hooray!
You have a damaging AOE heal that ALSO grants Major Brutality. You don't HAVE to run 2Hand. That's my point. Templars HAVE to, which is why Stamplars have the most 1-dimensional rotation in the game.
No one uses drain power, at least not seriously. I've seen like one niche NB build that used drain power once, but the builder quickly replaced it with rally.
Drain power also doesn't heal you, get out of here with your facts.
Templar gets a ton of damage from built in passives, use rally like everyone else and get over it.
Stamplar has been insanely good, ESO in general is a one dimension game for every class.
OdinForge: "Stamplar has been insanely good."
kek.
Sorry bro, if you think Stamplar hasn't been good, you simply don't play it right. L2P might apply here.
Every class relies on 2H for the same reasons, any niche build that drops 2H is simply that, niche.
I think this is that point. You get your buffs, your heals, gap closer, cc, burst, DOT, and execute all in 1 weapon line. Some variation would be nice. Why do people hate WB sooo much? Because its used by more people then any other skill out there. It's a constant.
As for playing it right ... why is there a "right way" to play a class? It's a silly concept. You should be able to compete with any variety of options. S&B builds work for many people.
Templar has no AOE CCs even at a magicka cost and doesn't have expedition and has no really mitigation in class unless standing still. So S&B/Bow Templar would fix a lot. Issue is brutality is available in all classes but Templar. The class is always were the homogenization ends. Mobility for all ... but the templar. Damage buffs and debuffs for all ... but the Templar. Hell even self heals. Stam-Templar and Sorcs lack identity, but at least the Sorc has Streak, lightning form, etc. We can even get enough to get out from under 2-handed weapons for a viable in class heal. Repentance is amazing if you have corpses on the ground, but hardly helps make corpses. The passive regen for slotting is is worse then most classes get in passives. We rez like beasts though ... I know you all are jelly over that ... right.
I know pots for all needs. Class balanced via pots and gear is not class balance. Templar has to make up for a lot outside of the Class, including healing. What would it hurt?
As for the viable heal ... BOL doesn't heal the Templar + 2. It heals who ever is lowest. So when you cloak, ward, streak, scale, or self heal with other classes YOU ARE getting those benefits with every cast ... Templar might be healing some guys he didn't even know were around to his own death. That's annoying for the people killing those random guys but it sucks worse for the Templar who did what he's supposed to do and still dies because of it. L2P though.3 -
OdinForge✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Variety is nice, but historically has never existed in ESO and it doesn't look like it will for a long time.
ESO is very meta driven, and variety has never been its strongest suit. We only have 5 skills per bar for example, and ZOS has never added a new weapon skill line. Not much variety can come from that design, it's just what you have to accept playing ESO. That being said however, there is some small variations in builds. If you watch the videos I linked you'll see two or three variations of a FoTM stamplar setup.
If you want to be a special flower and deviate from the meta, go right ahead. I myself have always chosen to my NB outside of the box, and this doesn't always work but it's something I knowingly accept. The guys that argued here choose to not understand that, one falsely claimed that stamplar is inferior to other classes because they slot less class skills, which is false. The other argues that players choosing to follow the meta are shameful, and not deserving of understanding the class. Which is also false.The Age of Wrobel.0 -
AfkNinja✭✭✭✭✭
✭. The guys that argued here choose to not understand that, one falsely claimed that stamplar is inferior to other classes because they slot less class skills, which is false. The other argues that players choosing to follow the meta are shameful, and not deserving of understanding the class. Which is also false.
Both of those arguments were presented by TheMorganism. Every post I made was about class skills and comparing the full kit available to all stamina classes and ranking them by the strength of available skills. I've repeatedly refuted your arguments, you just didn't bother to read my posts. If you can't look at what was available to Stamina Templar's last patch and realize it was at a disadvantage compared to other stamina classes there's really no point in even trying to debate with you.
You can't even figure out which arguments are made by who, another clue you're not really trying to debate or prove your points. Just seems like you want to argue and throw around insults. When it comes to debate relying on ad hominem attacks accomplishes nothing.1 -
TheM0rganism✭✭✭If you want to be a special flower and deviate from the meta, go right ahead. I myself have always chosen to my NB outside of the box, and this doesn't always work but it's something I knowingly accept. The guys that argued here choose to not understand that, one falsely claimed that stamplar is inferior to other classes because they slot less class skills, which is false. The other argues that players choosing to follow the meta are shameful, and not deserving of understanding the class. Which is also false.
"stamplar is inferior to other classes because they slot less class skills, which is false."
no, that's still true. and can be proven by anyone who lists out the pros and cons of the four stamina builds. which afkninja asked you to do several times. and you continue to ignore...because it utterly undermines your 'argument'.
"players choosing to follow the meta are shameful, and not deserving of understanding the class."
no, you're inferring quite a bit there, not to mention begging the question. people who run FotM builds inherently lack an understanding of their class, hence why they just copy someone else's build.
Keep trying, Odin. I'm sure you'll substantiate an argument eventually.Edited by TheM0rganism on March 8, 2016 11:13PMPS4 DC Stamina Templar Tank/DPS...because I ALWAYS play on hard mode
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OdinForge✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭You guys are hilarious, you're literally just making up *** on the fly.
Almost all the best stamplars are rerolls, because of players like you who can't figure the class out.
Rejoice, ZOS shall hold your hand soon.Edited by OdinForge on March 8, 2016 11:26PMThe Age of Wrobel.0 -
AfkNinja✭✭✭✭✭
✭You guys are hilarious, you're literally just making up *** on the fly.
Almost all the best stamplars are rerolls, because of players like you who can't figure the class out.
Rejoice, ZOS shall hold your hand soon.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/245184/official-feedback-thread-for-templars#latest
Just read it, the whole thing. Threads of feedback don't get to over 2000 posts and 80 pages by accident. Educate yourself, this is just getting silly now.Edited by AfkNinja on March 8, 2016 11:34PM1 -
OdinForge✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭@AfkNinja
Templar is easy mode, it's probably the easiest class to build (or one of the easiest). Now that my Templar is max level and fully geared and specced, he pulls way better DPS than my NB ever could dream. The real kicker is that you have to put in no effort, you stack all into damage and rotate DoTs from weapon lines with a major brutality pot on cooldown. Jabs is just a pure 1 button win AoE, all you do is spam this skill it even gives you major savagery to boot to save a skill slot.
Since weapon power pots on cooldown are the best source of major brutality in pve for pretty much all classes, Templar is no different.
Where the Templar shines is its magicka dumps and utility, you get all the same mobility as other classes (save for Sorcs being slightly faster). Your two mana dumps are insanely cheap at mid to low 1K and just over 2K with repentance being free. By comparison my stamina NB on stat food for damage has a cloak cost of just under 5K, mark cost just under 4K and other buffs like relentless focus cost 3K.
So not only do you have access to the typical evasion and movement speed buffs available to all stamina classes, you can spam cleanse DoTs and poisons and other harmful effects keeping you slippery. You get minor vitality, minor protection, major ward and resolve, major mending etc from spammable mana dumps, your HP just climbs no matter how much damage you take to HP.
You combine this with extra defensive buffs like major vitality, defending, 2 heavy armor, impen, CP, bloodspawn. You can even go into the overkill territory and use a 1H, which grants you access to major defile on-top of everything you already have, not to mention extra unnecessary defense.
Maybe that thread is over 2000 posts long, it's because of people like you who are blind to how OP Templar (magicka and stamina) has been and keeps getting.Edited by OdinForge on June 22, 2016 6:21PMThe Age of Wrobel.0 -
AfkNinja✭✭✭✭✭
✭@AfkNinja
Templar is easy mode, it's probably the easiest class to build (or one of the easiest). Now that my Templar is max level and fully geared and specced, he pulls way better DPS than my NB ever could dream. The real kicker is that you have to put in no effort, you stack all into damage and rotate DoTs from weapon lines with a major brutality pot on cooldown. Jabs is just a pure 1 button win AoE, all you do is spam this skill it even gives you major savagery to boot to save a skill slot.
I would love to see you pvp and do nothing but spam Jabs. I would really get a kick out of that.
Since weapon power pots on cooldown are the best source of major brutality in pve for pretty much all classes, Templar is no different.
Not everyone can afford to spam weapon pots for PVE content. Not everyone has maxed crafting or the time to make all those pots. Also using weapon dmg pots prevents you from using other pots that could be more useful.
Where the Templar shines is its magicka dumps and utility, you get all the same mobility as other classes (save for Sorcs being slightly faster). Your two mana dumps are insanely cheap at mid to low 1K and just over 2K with repentance being free. By comparison my stamina NB on stat food for damage has a cloak cost of just under 5K, mark cost just under 4K and other buffs like relentless focus cost 3K.
Not in class skills, you are arguing Templar is okay with mobility because there are out of class options. Now even DK has an in class option for Major Expedition leaving Templar as the odd man out again. Repentance is not useful in every scenario, sometimes there are just no bodies, I'd rather just have passive resource regen but that's just my opinion. Stamina Templar has 2 real options for magicka dumps, our purify which is awesome and our armor skill which requires us to be stationary near the rune. Blazing shield is an option but only for builds focused on HP.
So not only do you have access to the typical evasion and movement speed buffs available to all stamina classes, you can spam cleanse DoTs and poisons and other harmful effects keeping you slippery. You get minor vitality, minor protection, (Only on 1 morph and to get it you give up MP regen) major ward and resolve, major mending etc from spammable mana dumps, your HP just climbs no matter how much damage you take to HP. If that was true no templar would ever lose a fight.
Until a Stamplar get's vigor our healing is actually not that great and we heavily rely on Rally just like every other class. Considering Templar is a "healing specialist" that doesn't seem odd to you?
You combine this with extra defensive buffs like major vitality, defending, 2 heavy armor, impen, CP, bloodspawn. You can even go into the overkill territory and use a 1H, which grants you access to major defile on-top of everything you already have, not to mention extra unnecessary defense.
Maybe that thread is over 2000 posts long, it's because of people like you who are blind to how OP Templar (magicka and stamina) has been and keeps getting.
When that thread was made it was pretty much widely known and accepted that Templar's were bottom of the barrel for PVP unless you went healbot. Did you even read it? There are many many many issues detailed in it and while some of them were fixed a lot are not.
That thread is from what, 3 patches ago? 4? Sure the class is stronger than it was but by no means is Templar the best at everything. The class still has issues, especially stamina, you just chose to completely ignore them. Also I never said it's the weakest Stamina Class, that's probly still Stamina Sorc. Those guys really need help.
Nice necro bump almost 4 months later. I must have really struck a cord with you!
What exactly was the point of you re-opening this? Why not just create a new thread.0 -
OdinForge✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭@AfkNinja
Templar is easy mode, it's probably the easiest class to build (or one of the easiest). Now that my Templar is max level and fully geared and specced, he pulls way better DPS than my NB ever could dream. The real kicker is that you have to put in no effort, you stack all into damage and rotate DoTs from weapon lines with a major brutality pot on cooldown. Jabs is just a pure 1 button win AoE, all you do is spam this skill it even gives you major savagery to boot to save a skill slot.
I would love to see you pvp and do nothing but spam Jabs. I would really get a kick out of that.
Since weapon power pots on cooldown are the best source of major brutality in pve for pretty much all classes, Templar is no different.
Not everyone can afford to spam weapon pots for PVE content. Not everyone has maxed crafting or the time to make all those pots. Also using weapon dmg pots prevents you from using other pots that could be more useful.
Where the Templar shines is its magicka dumps and utility, you get all the same mobility as other classes (save for Sorcs being slightly faster). Your two mana dumps are insanely cheap at mid to low 1K and just over 2K with repentance being free. By comparison my stamina NB on stat food for damage has a cloak cost of just under 5K, mark cost just under 4K and other buffs like relentless focus cost 3K.
Not in class skills, you are arguing Templar is okay with mobility because there are out of class options. Now even DK has an in class option for Major Expedition leaving Templar as the odd man out again. Repentance is not useful in every scenario, sometimes there are just no bodies, I'd rather just have passive resource regen but that's just my opinion. Stamina Templar has 2 real options for magicka dumps, our purify which is awesome and our armor skill which requires us to be stationary near the rune. Blazing shield is an option but only for builds focused on HP.
So not only do you have access to the typical evasion and movement speed buffs available to all stamina classes, you can spam cleanse DoTs and poisons and other harmful effects keeping you slippery. You get minor vitality, minor protection, (Only on 1 morph and to get it you give up MP regen) major ward and resolve, major mending etc from spammable mana dumps, your HP just climbs no matter how much damage you take to HP. If that was true no templar would ever lose a fight.
Until a Stamplar get's vigor our healing is actually not that great and we heavily rely on Rally just like every other class. Considering Templar is a "healing specialist" that doesn't seem odd to you?
You combine this with extra defensive buffs like major vitality, defending, 2 heavy armor, impen, CP, bloodspawn. You can even go into the overkill territory and use a 1H, which grants you access to major defile on-top of everything you already have, not to mention extra unnecessary defense.
Maybe that thread is over 2000 posts long, it's because of people like you who are blind to how OP Templar (magicka and stamina) has been and keeps getting.
When that thread was made it was pretty much widely known and accepted that Templar's were bottom of the barrel for PVP unless you went healbot. Did you even read it? There are many many many issues detailed in it and while some of them were fixed a lot are not.
That thread is from what, 3 patches ago? 4? Sure the class is stronger than it was but by no means is Templar the best at everything. The class still has issues, especially stamina, you just chose to completely ignore them. Also I never said it's the weakest Stamina Class, that's probly still Stamina Sorc. Those guys really need help.
Nice necro bump almost 4 months later. I must have really struck a cord with you!
What exactly was the point of you re-opening this? Why not just create a new thread.
I'm not going to make another thread just to call you out on your BS from this thread. I never finished this thread back then since my Templar was a baby, I merely walked away for the time since you were 100% convinced Templar was a bad stamina class.
You can dodge the reality all you want, hide in Templar threads claiming it's balanced or weak, whatever fits your agenda at the time.
Templar is cheesymode.
You say.Until a Stamplar get's vigor our healing is actually not that great and we heavily rely on Rally just like every other class. Considering Templar is a "healing specialist" that doesn't seem odd to you?
That's pretty much the case with literally every class, but Templar can use honor the dead as a heal early on and benefit from battle level. And vigor can be unlocked with half a weeks time of PvP. No other class has a reliable class based heal, so what is your point?
How is that even a legitimate argument on your end, every class is weak at a low level.
Edited by OdinForge on June 22, 2016 7:07PMThe Age of Wrobel.0 -
AfkNinja✭✭✭✭✭
✭@AfkNinja
Templar is easy mode, it's probably the easiest class to build (or one of the easiest). Now that my Templar is max level and fully geared and specced, he pulls way better DPS than my NB ever could dream. The real kicker is that you have to put in no effort, you stack all into damage and rotate DoTs from weapon lines with a major brutality pot on cooldown. Jabs is just a pure 1 button win AoE, all you do is spam this skill it even gives you major savagery to boot to save a skill slot.
I would love to see you pvp and do nothing but spam Jabs. I would really get a kick out of that.
Since weapon power pots on cooldown are the best source of major brutality in pve for pretty much all classes, Templar is no different.
Not everyone can afford to spam weapon pots for PVE content. Not everyone has maxed crafting or the time to make all those pots. Also using weapon dmg pots prevents you from using other pots that could be more useful.
Where the Templar shines is its magicka dumps and utility, you get all the same mobility as other classes (save for Sorcs being slightly faster). Your two mana dumps are insanely cheap at mid to low 1K and just over 2K with repentance being free. By comparison my stamina NB on stat food for damage has a cloak cost of just under 5K, mark cost just under 4K and other buffs like relentless focus cost 3K.
Not in class skills, you are arguing Templar is okay with mobility because there are out of class options. Now even DK has an in class option for Major Expedition leaving Templar as the odd man out again. Repentance is not useful in every scenario, sometimes there are just no bodies, I'd rather just have passive resource regen but that's just my opinion. Stamina Templar has 2 real options for magicka dumps, our purify which is awesome and our armor skill which requires us to be stationary near the rune. Blazing shield is an option but only for builds focused on HP.
So not only do you have access to the typical evasion and movement speed buffs available to all stamina classes, you can spam cleanse DoTs and poisons and other harmful effects keeping you slippery. You get minor vitality, minor protection, (Only on 1 morph and to get it you give up MP regen) major ward and resolve, major mending etc from spammable mana dumps, your HP just climbs no matter how much damage you take to HP. If that was true no templar would ever lose a fight.
Until a Stamplar get's vigor our healing is actually not that great and we heavily rely on Rally just like every other class. Considering Templar is a "healing specialist" that doesn't seem odd to you?
You combine this with extra defensive buffs like major vitality, defending, 2 heavy armor, impen, CP, bloodspawn. You can even go into the overkill territory and use a 1H, which grants you access to major defile on-top of everything you already have, not to mention extra unnecessary defense.
Maybe that thread is over 2000 posts long, it's because of people like you who are blind to how OP Templar (magicka and stamina) has been and keeps getting.
When that thread was made it was pretty much widely known and accepted that Templar's were bottom of the barrel for PVP unless you went healbot. Did you even read it? There are many many many issues detailed in it and while some of them were fixed a lot are not.
That thread is from what, 3 patches ago? 4? Sure the class is stronger than it was but by no means is Templar the best at everything. The class still has issues, especially stamina, you just chose to completely ignore them. Also I never said it's the weakest Stamina Class, that's probly still Stamina Sorc. Those guys really need help.
Nice necro bump almost 4 months later. I must have really struck a cord with you!
What exactly was the point of you re-opening this? Why not just create a new thread.
I'm not going to make another thread just to call you out on your BS from this thread. I never finished this thread back then since my Templar was a baby, I merely walked away for the time since you were 100% convinced Templar was a bad stamina class.
You can dodge the reality all you want, hide in Templar threads claiming it's balanced or weak, whatever fits your agenda at the time.
Templar is cheesymode.
You say.Until a Stamplar get's vigor our healing is actually not that great and we heavily rely on Rally just like every other class. Considering Templar is a "healing specialist" that doesn't seem odd to you?
That's pretty much the case with literally every class, but Templar can use honor the dead as a heal early on and benefit from battle level. And vigor can be unlocked with half a weeks time of PvP. No other class has a reliable class based heal, so what is your point?
How is that even a legitimate argument on your end, every class is weak at a low level.
Like I said multiple patches have happened since then, Templar has changed drastically...you proved nothing except you have a grudge against me for some weird reason and a long memory. Have a nice day. 0 -
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Templar is easy mode, it's probably the easiest class to build (or one of the easiest). Now that my Templar is max level and fully geared and specced, he pulls way better DPS than my NB ever could dream. The real kicker is that you have to put in no effort, you stack all into damage and rotate DoTs from weapon lines with a major brutality pot on cooldown. Jabs is just a pure 1 button win AoE, all you do is spam this skill it even gives you major savagery to boot to save a skill slot.
I would love to see you pvp and do nothing but spam Jabs. I would really get a kick out of that.
Since weapon power pots on cooldown are the best source of major brutality in pve for pretty much all classes, Templar is no different.
Not everyone can afford to spam weapon pots for PVE content. Not everyone has maxed crafting or the time to make all those pots. Also using weapon dmg pots prevents you from using other pots that could be more useful.
Where the Templar shines is its magicka dumps and utility, you get all the same mobility as other classes (save for Sorcs being slightly faster). Your two mana dumps are insanely cheap at mid to low 1K and just over 2K with repentance being free. By comparison my stamina NB on stat food for damage has a cloak cost of just under 5K, mark cost just under 4K and other buffs like relentless focus cost 3K.
Not in class skills, you are arguing Templar is okay with mobility because there are out of class options. Now even DK has an in class option for Major Expedition leaving Templar as the odd man out again. Repentance is not useful in every scenario, sometimes there are just no bodies, I'd rather just have passive resource regen but that's just my opinion. Stamina Templar has 2 real options for magicka dumps, our purify which is awesome and our armor skill which requires us to be stationary near the rune. Blazing shield is an option but only for builds focused on HP.
So not only do you have access to the typical evasion and movement speed buffs available to all stamina classes, you can spam cleanse DoTs and poisons and other harmful effects keeping you slippery. You get minor vitality, minor protection, (Only on 1 morph and to get it you give up MP regen) major ward and resolve, major mending etc from spammable mana dumps, your HP just climbs no matter how much damage you take to HP. If that was true no templar would ever lose a fight.
Until a Stamplar get's vigor our healing is actually not that great and we heavily rely on Rally just like every other class. Considering Templar is a "healing specialist" that doesn't seem odd to you?
You combine this with extra defensive buffs like major vitality, defending, 2 heavy armor, impen, CP, bloodspawn. You can even go into the overkill territory and use a 1H, which grants you access to major defile on-top of everything you already have, not to mention extra unnecessary defense.
Maybe that thread is over 2000 posts long, it's because of people like you who are blind to how OP Templar (magicka and stamina) has been and keeps getting.
When that thread was made it was pretty much widely known and accepted that Templar's were bottom of the barrel for PVP unless you went healbot. Did you even read it? There are many many many issues detailed in it and while some of them were fixed a lot are not.
That thread is from what, 3 patches ago? 4? Sure the class is stronger than it was but by no means is Templar the best at everything. The class still has issues, especially stamina, you just chose to completely ignore them. Also I never said it's the weakest Stamina Class, that's probly still Stamina Sorc. Those guys really need help.
Nice necro bump almost 4 months later. I must have really struck a cord with you!
What exactly was the point of you re-opening this? Why not just create a new thread.
I'm not going to make another thread just to call you out on your BS from this thread. I never finished this thread back then since my Templar was a baby, I merely walked away for the time since you were 100% convinced Templar was a bad stamina class.
You can dodge the reality all you want, hide in Templar threads claiming it's balanced or weak, whatever fits your agenda at the time.
Templar is cheesymode.
You say.Until a Stamplar get's vigor our healing is actually not that great and we heavily rely on Rally just like every other class. Considering Templar is a "healing specialist" that doesn't seem odd to you?
That's pretty much the case with literally every class, but Templar can use honor the dead as a heal early on and benefit from battle level. And vigor can be unlocked with half a weeks time of PvP. No other class has a reliable class based heal, so what is your point?
How is that even a legitimate argument on your end, every class is weak at a low level.
Like I said multiple patches have happened since then, Templar has changed drastically...you proved nothing except you have a grudge against me for some weird reason and a long memory. Have a nice day.
Dude this was from last patch, the only real discernible difference between stamplars then and now were that we lost wrecking blow (empower, if you want to use dizzying) and gained physical burning light. Are you trying to pretend that you being wrong is the fault of a one patch difference, Stamplar has been very good since before 1.6.
Stop hiding behind that multiple patch BS, I have a grudge against your inability to understand your own class this entire thread, acting like it's been weak. You tried to imply that losing small mana return over minor protection is a big deal for stamina builds, for some reason. You tried to imply that without vigor stamplar was reliant 100% on rally, which isn't true since honor the dead and minor vitality, major vitality and major mending are accessible early on.
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Dude this was from last patch, the only real discernible difference between stamplars then and now were that we lost wrecking blow (empower, if you want to use dizzying) and gained physical burning light. Are you trying to pretend that you being wrong is the fault of a one patch difference, Stamplar has been very good since before 1.6.
If you read my first response on line 16 my first point was that until Major Mending was added Stamplar had a huge healing deficiency which was correct. DK had Major Mending, Templar did not.
" the only real discernible difference between stamplars then and now were that we lost wrecking blow (empower, if you want to use dizzying) and gained physical burning light."
Wow...you really don't read Templar patch notes huh?
Stop hiding behind that multiple patch BS, I have a grudge against your inability to understand your own class this entire thread, acting like it's been weak.
I'm not hiding, which patch you are discussing changes the discussion. LOL. Depending on which patch we are talking about comparing it to other classes it DID have major deficiencies. At no point did I ever argue good Stamplars can never win, my whole argument was the Stamplar kit was lacking.
You tried to imply that losing small mana return over minor protection is a big deal for stamina builds, for some reason.
No I was clarifying your statement since you were implying we get minor protections without giving anything up. And yea the MP regen on the Rune isn't that weak, it's pretty good.
You tried to imply that without vigor stamplar was reliant 100% on rally, which isn't true since honor the dead and minor vitality, major vitality and major mending are accessible early on.
Honor the Dead is useless in PVP, I thought we were discussing PVP...? Also like I said, major mending wasn't a baseline Templar skill. Till it was added Stamplar had no healing bonuses on their heals at all except magic ones which suck for PVP.
If we are going to have this debate AGAIN first you need to actually make an argument. So, let's set the parameters. In your OPINION rank 1 through 4 the stamina classes for Imperial City and Thieves Guild. Lets focus on those patches as DB wasn't out at the time of the debate in this thread.
It seems like your argument has always been Templar's are "Insanely good" in every patch. So you consider them the best Stamina class from IC? Before IC? TG?
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I don't know why you constantly try to rank classes. All classes are relatively equal to each other, and I think it's been this way for a very long time (since 1.5). If you're a good player you will pick up a new class and eventually learn its strengths and weaknesses, and play it at a high level. I don't think there is a ranking system that can apply one class above or below the other in PvP. Aside from minor mutations in balance (DK pre 1.5, Sorc in 1.6 etc, magicka templar 1v1 these days) you don't generally see one class above another post 1.6. Magicka DK needs help, stamina Sorc is getting better slowly.
Stamplar has the advantage of high native defense and high native damage. Stamsorc has the advantage of mobility, and maybe flexibility before the change to surge. StamDK has the advantage of resource management, defense and flexibility. StamNB has the damage advantage as well as the positioning advantage, using skills like shade and cloak can help a squishy by nature NB position themselves and stay alive. Although one could say that the positioning tools for NB have been rather lackluster the last two patches.
In fact before the 1.6 patch, stamnb was the only class that couldn't run without a restoration staff off-hand for a sustain type setup. Both DK and Templar and even Sorc could make stam builds without a restoration staff back then. When I say that Stamplar has always been amazing, I mean relative and not less than the competition. Stamplar has always been competitive with the other classes, and after TG pulling away with more advantages.
The meta open-world PvP builds for every class revolves around slotting 2H for rally, and either bow (preferred for range and mobility)or DW off-hand. When you get into 1v1 setups it's common to see 1H swapped in usually for bow. The only class that I see using native major brutality would be Sorc (hence the flexibility mentioned above) with surge before the change. Just because NB and DK have a way to get it, doesn't mean it's viable to do so.Edited by OdinForge on June 22, 2016 9:31PMThe Age of Wrobel.0 -
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✭Let's get one thing straight AFK, this wasn't your thread and you came at me with that Stamplar sucks crap.
I don't know why you constantly try to rank classes. All classes are relatively equal to each other, and I think it's been this way for a very long time (since 1.5).
So the fact that DragonKnight had Major Mending but Templar did not was not a major advantage? LOL
I want you to rank the classes so I can see your opinion and then debate it. If you can't look at skills, passives and synergies and not notice some are better than others then there is no point in even having a debate. So in that case why re-open this thread?
If you're a good player you will pick up a new class and eventually learn its strengths and weaknesses, and play it at a high level. I don't think there is a ranking system that can apply one class above or below the other in PvP. Aside from minor mutations in balance (DK pre 1.5, Sorc in 1.6 etc, magicka templar 1v1 these days) you don't generally see one class above another post 1.6. Magicka DK needs help, stamina Sorc is getting better slowly.
SO once again you just contradicted yourself. Everyone is balanced, except when they aren't....
Like I stated multiple times in this thread the first time, yes Templar's can win fights. Player skill can compensate for many deficiencies. That doesn't mean there isn't an imbalance and adjustments don't need to be made.
Stamplar has the advantage of high native defense and high native damage. Stamsorc has the advantage of mobility, and maybe flexibility before the change to surge. StamDK has the advantage of resource management, defense and flexibility. StamNB has the damage advantage as well as the positioning advantage, using skills like shade and cloak can help a squishy by nature NB position themselves and stay alive. Although one could say that the positioning tools for NB have been rather lackluster the last two patches.
See, it is okay to acknowledge there are weaknesses with a class, and it is okay to debate if adjustments need to be made. You called out someone for wanting to start a debate on the merits of Templar's kit and then attacked everyone trying to debate. You offered no reasons for this other than "Templar is amazing". Can you not see why someone would argue that point? Did you play Templar in Imperial City or before? What makes you think you know the struggles of a Templar that has been playing Templar since day one and watched patch after patch of nerfs with nothing to show for it?
In fact before the 1.6 patch, stamnb was the only class that couldn't run without a restoration staff off-hand for a sustain type setup. Both DK and Templar and even Sorc could make stam builds without a restoration staff back then. When I say that Stamplar has always been amazing, I mean relative and not less than the competition.
Not less than the competition, so you are saying even before 1.6 Stamina Templar was never at a disadvantage in pvp? All those polls showing Templar and Sorc as the worst stamina classes over the last few patches would disagree with you. I agree that Dark Brotherhood brought us to a good place, but I would not say there are no problems with the class at all anymore.
Stamplar has always been competitive with the other classes, and after TG pulling away with more advantages.
Always....LOL.
So now you are saying Stamplar has MORE advantages and is pulling away after TG? But....but you just said all classes have always been competitive with each other...you are contradicting yourself.
The meta open-world PvP builds for every class revolves around slotting 2H for rally, and either bow (preferred for range and mobility)or DW off-hand. When you get into 1v1 setups it's common to see 1H swapped in usually for bow. The only class that I see using native major brutality would be Sorc (hence the flexibility mentioned above) with surge before the change. Just because NB and DK have a way to get it, doesn't mean it's viable to do so.
Let's get this strait Odin. At no point did I say Stamplar sucks, what I did do is point out areas where Stamplar had deficiencies. If you actually go back and re-read the thread you will see that. I think you are still confusing me with other players, you are right this was not my thread and also it was not your thread either. I have just as much right to comment as you do.
Also you did point out that Nightblade and Dragonknight both had an advantage in Thieves Guild and Imperial City, and you are right they did. That was my point exactly. How can you sit there and honestly claim Stamina Templar was just as good as Dragon Knight in Imperial city when Templar at that point didn't even have major mending but DK did?
Templar is in a good place, DK is still the king of Stamina though and it should be obvious. Anyone should be able to look at available class abilities and passives and gear and determine that certain classes have a natural advantage. In games certain classes are always a little better, that's why META's show up in the first place.
It seems like you are literally arguing that a META has never existed for Stamina classes in PVP, is that your point? I disagree, there is always a class out performing the others either slightly or by a lot, otherwise skill adjustments would never be needed. ZOS agreed with me that Stamplar had deficiencies, which is why they were buffed.0 -
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✭✭Let's get one thing straight AFK, this wasn't your thread and you came at me with that Stamplar sucks crap.
I don't know why you constantly try to rank classes. All classes are relatively equal to each other, and I think it's been this way for a very long time (since 1.5).
So the fact that DragonKnight had Major Mending but Templar did not was not a major advantage? LOL
I want you to rank the classes so I can see your opinion and then debate it. If you can't look at skills, passives and synergies and not notice some are better than others then there is no point in even having a debate. So in that case why re-open this thread?
If you're a good player you will pick up a new class and eventually learn its strengths and weaknesses, and play it at a high level. I don't think there is a ranking system that can apply one class above or below the other in PvP. Aside from minor mutations in balance (DK pre 1.5, Sorc in 1.6 etc, magicka templar 1v1 these days) you don't generally see one class above another post 1.6. Magicka DK needs help, stamina Sorc is getting better slowly.
SO once again you just contradicted yourself. Everyone is balanced, except when they aren't....
Like I stated multiple times in this thread the first time, yes Templar's can win fights. Player skill can compensate for many deficiencies. That doesn't mean there isn't an imbalance and adjustments don't need to be made.
Stamplar has the advantage of high native defense and high native damage. Stamsorc has the advantage of mobility, and maybe flexibility before the change to surge. StamDK has the advantage of resource management, defense and flexibility. StamNB has the damage advantage as well as the positioning advantage, using skills like shade and cloak can help a squishy by nature NB position themselves and stay alive. Although one could say that the positioning tools for NB have been rather lackluster the last two patches.
See, it is okay to acknowledge there are weaknesses with a class, and it is okay to debate if adjustments need to be made. You called out someone for wanting to start a debate on the merits of Templar's kit and then attacked everyone trying to debate. You offered no reasons for this other than "Templar is amazing". Can you not see why someone would argue that point? Did you play Templar in Imperial City or before? What makes you think you know the struggles of a Templar that has been playing Templar since day one and watched patch after patch of nerfs with nothing to show for it?
In fact before the 1.6 patch, stamnb was the only class that couldn't run without a restoration staff off-hand for a sustain type setup. Both DK and Templar and even Sorc could make stam builds without a restoration staff back then. When I say that Stamplar has always been amazing, I mean relative and not less than the competition.
Not less than the competition, so you are saying even before 1.6 Stamina Templar was never at a disadvantage in pvp? All those polls showing Templar and Sorc as the worst stamina classes over the last few patches would disagree with you. I agree that Dark Brotherhood brought us to a good place, but I would not say there are no problems with the class at all anymore.
Stamplar has always been competitive with the other classes, and after TG pulling away with more advantages.
Always....LOL.
So now you are saying Stamplar has MORE advantages and is pulling away after TG? But....but you just said all classes have always been competitive with each other...you are contradicting yourself.
The meta open-world PvP builds for every class revolves around slotting 2H for rally, and either bow (preferred for range and mobility)or DW off-hand. When you get into 1v1 setups it's common to see 1H swapped in usually for bow. The only class that I see using native major brutality would be Sorc (hence the flexibility mentioned above) with surge before the change. Just because NB and DK have a way to get it, doesn't mean it's viable to do so.
Let's get this strait Odin. At no point did I say Stamplar sucks, what I did do is point out areas where Stamplar had deficiencies. If you actually go back and re-read the thread you will see that. I think you are still confusing me with other players, you are right this was not my thread and also it was not your thread either. I have just as much right to comment as you do.
Also you did point out that Nightblade and Dragonknight both had an advantage in Thieves Guild and Imperial City, and you are right they did. That was my point exactly. How can you sit there and honestly claim Stamina Templar was just as good as Dragon Knight in Imperial city when Templar at that point didn't even have major mending but DK did?
Templar is in a good place, DK is still the king of Stamina though and it should be obvious. Anyone should be able to look at available class abilities and passives and gear and determine that certain classes have a natural advantage. In games certain classes are always a little better, that's why META's show up in the first place.
It seems like you are literally arguing that a META has never existed for Stamina classes in PVP, is that your point? I disagree, there is always a class out performing the others either slightly or by a lot, otherwise skill adjustments would never be needed. ZOS agreed with me that Stamplar had deficiencies, which is why they were buffed.
You literally just read what you wanted to read, and made up whatever fits your point. Not to mention that you're adding edits under my quote and also in your response, instead of just in either or.
NB or DK had no big advantage over Templar, that Templar couldn't overcome with their own unique advantages. Being a spammable cleanse and major/minor defensive buffs, not to mention that Templar could purge ranged DPS like frags in the past and hold NB out of cloak with jabs. Templar could match and exceed DK with 1H and defile, while keeping themselves clean and overall having better defensive and damage buffs in the long run.
So please name an advantage here that DK or NB had.Edited by OdinForge on June 22, 2016 10:17PMThe Age of Wrobel.0 -
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I main a stamplar as of TG patch, and imo they do lack a lot of the things that other Stam classes have but they are still extremely competitive. For example, unless you use backlash or something strange from dawns wrath tree, there is literally one passive there worth taking. idk about other classes but my stamnb takes advantage of most if not all the class passives. Like someone said previously, Jabs isn't 100% reliable, especially when compared to something like surprise attack but if you know how to use it ,it's perfectly fine.
They do need a buff in some ways, like Mikmak said, but in their current state they still compete with Stam dks and stamnb. Honestly idc about a major brut class buff because tbh I wouldn't use it (I'm gonna expand on this point: even if it opened up other builds, like snb/bow or dw/bow, you would then be lacking a key source of healing over time and a burst heal. Then stamplars would be QQing about that...) I only want 2 things for a Templar: more useful passives and a buff to javelin. People have said things about class ultimates here - crescent sweep does a ton of damage. Theres your class ultimate. And before QQ about it not being enough, most Stam dks only really use leap and Stam sorcs might use atro.
Stamplars are great in PvP, they aren't quite as strong as a stamnb or stamdk but if you learn your class and get comfortable with your build you can beat just about anyone anyway
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So please name an advantage here that DK or NB had.
I add responses as I read, because your posts are large and hard to make sense of because you are constantly contradicting yourself. I then add a few final comments at the end, I can write how I want and I will.
You said in post #51 "DK being arguably one of the best 1v1 stam classes in PvP.", you contradict yourself in everything you write here... go back and re-read the thread. It's only 3 pages. If the classes are equal and balanced your statements make no sense. You keep saying one class has an advantage over another, such as DK which you properly labeled as the strongest PVP Stam class and then turn around and argue they are all equal and no adjustments are needed. Make up your mind.
I already listed the strengths of the classes in post #59.
You are literally asking me to repost things I've already posted.
If you honestly believe all of the stamina classes are perfectly balanced then there is no reason to even debate this, as such this appears to just be some kind of vendetta because I said something that hurt your feelings. I see no need or reason to continue this conversation, so....bye.
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So please name an advantage here that DK or NB had.
I add responses as I read, because your posts are large and hard to make sense of because you are constantly contradicting yourself. I then add a few final comments at the end, I can write how I want and I will.
You said in post #51 "DK being arguably one of the best 1v1 stam classes in PvP.", you contradict yourself in everything you write here... go back and re-read the thread. It's only 3 pages. If the classes are equal and balanced your statements make no sense. You keep saying one class has an advantage over another, such as DK which you properly labeled as the strongest PVP Stam class and then turn around and argue they are all equal and no adjustments are needed. Make up your mind.
I already listed the strengths of the classes in post #59.
You are literally asking me to repost things I've already posted.
If you honestly believe all of the stamina classes are perfectly balanced then there is no reason to even debate this, as such this appears to just be some kind of vendetta because I said something that hurt your feelings. I see no need or reason to continue this conversation, so....bye."DK being arguably one of the best 1v1 stam classes in PvP."
That doesn't mean a Templar is less than a DK, NB is arguably the "best" for ganking but that doesn't mean a Templar can't gank a NB. DK has the ideal skillset/passives set for 1v1'ing, but that doesn't mean you can't get creative on your Templar and use your class strengths to exceed that of a DK.
DK is the class I'd choose to 1v1, but that doesn't mean my NB can't out 1v1 a DK just as well. You aren't proving anything, you're just trying to warp what I'm saying into any excuse you can to find Templar at a disadvantage.
You can cleanse DoTs and debuffs one of the defining features of a DK, the skills cost almost as much as your passive regen on drink....you're saying that isn't an advantage over DK, idk what is then. Templar has been competitive dude.The Age of Wrobel.0 -
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Don't argue with them these are close minded meta players that wants everyone one to run the same build and are against build diversity.
I for one believe that Temps should have both major brutality and major sorcery in their class skills I mean DKs got it in their class so why can't templars? It would help protect your house a LOT better.Power Wealth And Influence.0