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WHEN WILL TEMPLARS GET MAJOR BRUTALITY?!!?
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✭✭TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »I'm a nb...I use rally...rally is not a nb skill...it is a 2h skill...you are templar...you can use 2h skills...you can use rally...you have major brut hooray!
You have a damaging AOE heal that ALSO grants Major Brutality. You don't HAVE to run 2Hand. That's my point. Templars HAVE to, which is why Stamplars have the most 1-dimensional rotation in the game.
No one uses drain power, at least not seriously. I've seen like one niche NB build that used drain power once, but the builder quickly replaced it with rally.
Drain power also doesn't heal you, get out of here with your facts.
Templar gets a ton of damage from built in passives, use rally like everyone else and get over it.
Stamplar has been insanely good, ESO in general is a one dimension game for every class.
OdinForge: "Stamplar has been insanely good."
kek.
Sorry bro, if you think Stamplar hasn't been good, you simply don't play it right. L2P might apply here.
Every class relies on 2H for the same reasons, any niche build that drops 2H is simply that, niche.
Until major mending with Rune in TG Stamplar was easily the worst Stamina class, what are you talking about?
I'm not going to sit here and defend your class for you, if you want to be good with a class/build in ESO right now you have to min/max. It doesn't really matter what your class is, major brutality as a class based skill isn't going to change that.
Templar has to be made up of the most uninformed player-base. With only a handful of players who know what they're doing, deviating from your ideas of average.
How would granting access to entirely different skill bar not going to change anything? You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.
The three other classes have an assortment of end-game-viable builds that use a MAJORITY of their own class abilities. Even after TG, Templars are now forced to fill their bars with Resto or 2-Hander depending on their resource. That is straight up inequality.
What are you even talking about!?
You actually came into this thread acting like NB uses drain power, and that it also heals. And I don't know what I'm talking about, whatever you're on get me some.
Feel free to read up on the Patch Notes if you don't understand what I'm talking about.
Or compare any guide there is and notice that not a single Templar build boasts the same amount of Class abilities as the other three.
Templars are inherently the least-thought-out class that relies the most on abilities that everyone else has access to. I'm trying to raise awareness of an egregious oversight.TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »I'm a nb...I use rally...rally is not a nb skill...it is a 2h skill...you are templar...you can use 2h skills...you can use rally...you have major brut hooray!
You have a damaging AOE heal that ALSO grants Major Brutality. You don't HAVE to run 2Hand. That's my point. Templars HAVE to, which is why Stamplars have the most 1-dimensional rotation in the game.
lol i would love if templars got a major brut buff, but that should not stop you from running the build you want to run just use a wpn dmg pot man.Darkonflare15 wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »I'm a nb...I use rally...rally is not a nb skill...it is a 2h skill...you are templar...you can use 2h skills...you can use rally...you have major brut hooray!
You have a damaging AOE heal that ALSO grants Major Brutality. You don't HAVE to run 2Hand. That's my point. Templars HAVE to, which is why Stamplars have the most 1-dimensional rotation in the game.
Use a potion. You can get almost every buff in the game by using potions . The buffs even last longer than most skills. If you do not want to use a potions than you really do not want Major brutality at all.
A viable option, for sure...
Unless you want Immovable, Detection, Health, etc.
Niche-Rich-Man builds...smh
The point is you have options man, you just don't want to use those options or give up anything and instead want another option so you can run your niche bow/S&B build or whatever it is you want to do.
If you present the argument that X class can do Y, therefore, my class should be able to do Y then what the hell is the point of classes in first place? At some point there has to be some difference right? do we really want to open that can of worms?
Fyi, some of the top players (pvp wise, i dont pve) in the game play stam and mag templar. There is just a wider gap between the "best in class" and the "learning to play".
Also this doesn't matter...it will be years before zos will be able to implement such a monumental change.
It's not a matter of being more like X. It's a matter of being more like X, Y, & Z.
You still haven't responded to the original argument, you have nothing to stand on here. Every post you've made is misinformed and you're just confused about many facts, I'm not the one that needs to read anything.
This is not an argument, it's just nonsense.Or compare any guide there is and notice that not a single Templar build boasts the same amount of Class abilities as the other three.
A stamina DK slots 1 or 2 class skills per bar, a stamina Templar slots 1 or 2 as well. DK has a better class based ultimate, that's about the only difference.Edited by OdinForge on March 8, 2016 7:08PMThe Age of Wrobel.1 -
TheM0rganism✭✭✭dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »I'm a nb...I use rally...rally is not a nb skill...it is a 2h skill...you are templar...you can use 2h skills...you can use rally...you have major brut hooray!
You have a damaging AOE heal that ALSO grants Major Brutality. You don't HAVE to run 2Hand. That's my point. Templars HAVE to, which is why Stamplars have the most 1-dimensional rotation in the game.
No one uses drain power, at least not seriously. I've seen like one niche NB build that used drain power once, but the builder quickly replaced it with rally.
Drain power also doesn't heal you, get out of here with your facts.
Templar gets a ton of damage from built in passives, use rally like everyone else and get over it.
Stamplar has been insanely good, ESO in general is a one dimension game for every class.
OdinForge: "Stamplar has been insanely good."
kek.
Sorry bro, if you think Stamplar hasn't been good, you simply don't play it right. L2P might apply here.
Every class relies on 2H for the same reasons, any niche build that drops 2H is simply that, niche.
Until major mending with Rune in TG Stamplar was easily the worst Stamina class, what are you talking about?
I'm not going to sit here and defend your class for you (Not asking you too, I'm asking you to back up your claim. Which you cannot because it was a false claim.) , if you want to be good with a class/build in ESO right now you have to min/max. It doesn't really matter what your class is, major brutality as a class based skill isn't going to change that. (No it won't, however it would open additional options for builds.)
Templar has to be made up of the most uninformed player-base. With a handful of players who know what they were are actually doing.
Resorting to insults instead of facts weakens your argument. Basic Debate 101.
It doesn't matter what your class is? Passives don't matter? Active skills don't matter? Are you high?
You made the assertion Templar's before TG were good. To be good objectively they must be better than at least 1 class. They weren't and Major Mending barely puts them on par with Stamina Sorc now, possibly slightly ahead. NB and DK are still the best stamina builds. You do realize without major mending Stamplar lost their only class defensive strength, heals, right? Before TG there was no reason to pick Stamina Templar at all. Biting Jabs and 6% WD was not enough.
Generally speaking Jabs is a liability in pvp. You can make it work, but your opponent has to be inferior than yourself or already beat when you do. Tornado and WB are better, and any class can have those. I'll be honest the only reason I tend to slot aedric spear skills is so I can actually have my passives. The KB on Javelin is nice too... except I can get the same thing on wrecking blow, and it hits like a truck and empowers. Jabs dps is also reliant on your proc. I'm not saying I don't make kills with my Stamplar, but I find its against bad players who don't know how to use the 1,001 defenses and mobility skills they have at their disposal.
^ this.
Jabs can completely blow up in your face against someone with access to a snare...which is everyone. I wish there were more to think about when it comes to slotting a AS skill, but their isn't. Stoppling charge seems like it'll never be fixed. Shards is the slowest ranged move in the game. Binding Javelin has terribad damage for it's cost. And Sun Shield is pretty much worthless given BS unless your the emperor with 50k+ hp.PS4 DC Stamina Templar Tank/DPS...because I ALWAYS play on hard mode
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mike.eso✭✭✭✭TheM0rganism wrote: »dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »I'm a nb...I use rally...rally is not a nb skill...it is a 2h skill...you are templar...you can use 2h skills...you can use rally...you have major brut hooray!
You have a damaging AOE heal that ALSO grants Major Brutality. You don't HAVE to run 2Hand. That's my point. Templars HAVE to, which is why Stamplars have the most 1-dimensional rotation in the game.
No one uses drain power, at least not seriously. I've seen like one niche NB build that used drain power once, but the builder quickly replaced it with rally.
Drain power also doesn't heal you, get out of here with your facts.
Templar gets a ton of damage from built in passives, use rally like everyone else and get over it.
Stamplar has been insanely good, ESO in general is a one dimension game for every class.
OdinForge: "Stamplar has been insanely good."
kek.
Sorry bro, if you think Stamplar hasn't been good, you simply don't play it right. L2P might apply here.
Every class relies on 2H for the same reasons, any niche build that drops 2H is simply that, niche.
Until major mending with Rune in TG Stamplar was easily the worst Stamina class, what are you talking about?
I'm not going to sit here and defend your class for you (Not asking you too, I'm asking you to back up your claim. Which you cannot because it was a false claim.) , if you want to be good with a class/build in ESO right now you have to min/max. It doesn't really matter what your class is, major brutality as a class based skill isn't going to change that. (No it won't, however it would open additional options for builds.)
Templar has to be made up of the most uninformed player-base. With a handful of players who know what they were are actually doing.
Resorting to insults instead of facts weakens your argument. Basic Debate 101.
It doesn't matter what your class is? Passives don't matter? Active skills don't matter? Are you high?
You made the assertion Templar's before TG were good. To be good objectively they must be better than at least 1 class. They weren't and Major Mending barely puts them on par with Stamina Sorc now, possibly slightly ahead. NB and DK are still the best stamina builds. You do realize without major mending Stamplar lost their only class defensive strength, heals, right? Before TG there was no reason to pick Stamina Templar at all. Biting Jabs and 6% WD was not enough.
Generally speaking Jabs is a liability in pvp. You can make it work, but your opponent has to be inferior than yourself or already beat when you do. Tornado and WB are better, and any class can have those. I'll be honest the only reason I tend to slot aedric spear skills is so I can actually have my passives. The KB on Javelin is nice too... except I can get the same thing on wrecking blow, and it hits like a truck and empowers. Jabs dps is also reliant on your proc. I'm not saying I don't make kills with my Stamplar, but I find its against bad players who don't know how to use the 1,001 defenses and mobility skills they have at their disposal.
^ this.
Jabs can completely blow up in your face against someone with access to a snare...which is everyone. I wish there were more to think about when it comes to slotting a AS skill, but their isn't. Stoppling charge seems like it'll never be fixed. Shards is the slowest ranged move in the game. Binding Javelin has terribad damage for it's cost. And Sun Shield is pretty much worthless given BS unless your the emperor with 50k+ hp.
There's a guy on pc with 61k health non emp...his shiny bubble explosion thing hurts like hell if you touch it...one bubble i just won't pop1 -
TheM0rganism✭✭✭TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »I'm a nb...I use rally...rally is not a nb skill...it is a 2h skill...you are templar...you can use 2h skills...you can use rally...you have major brut hooray!
You have a damaging AOE heal that ALSO grants Major Brutality. You don't HAVE to run 2Hand. That's my point. Templars HAVE to, which is why Stamplars have the most 1-dimensional rotation in the game.
No one uses drain power, at least not seriously. I've seen like one niche NB build that used drain power once, but the builder quickly replaced it with rally.
Drain power also doesn't heal you, get out of here with your facts.
Templar gets a ton of damage from built in passives, use rally like everyone else and get over it.
Stamplar has been insanely good, ESO in general is a one dimension game for every class.
OdinForge: "Stamplar has been insanely good."
kek.
Sorry bro, if you think Stamplar hasn't been good, you simply don't play it right. L2P might apply here.
Every class relies on 2H for the same reasons, any niche build that drops 2H is simply that, niche.
Until major mending with Rune in TG Stamplar was easily the worst Stamina class, what are you talking about?
I'm not going to sit here and defend your class for you, if you want to be good with a class/build in ESO right now you have to min/max. It doesn't really matter what your class is, major brutality as a class based skill isn't going to change that.
Templar has to be made up of the most uninformed player-base. With only a handful of players who know what they're doing, deviating from your ideas of average.
How would granting access to entirely different skill bar not going to change anything? You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.
The three other classes have an assortment of end-game-viable builds that use a MAJORITY of their own class abilities. Even after TG, Templars are now forced to fill their bars with Resto or 2-Hander depending on their resource. That is straight up inequality.
What are you even talking about!?
You actually came into this thread acting like NB uses drain power, and that it also heals. And I don't know what I'm talking about, whatever you're on get me some.
Feel free to read up on the Patch Notes if you don't understand what I'm talking about.
Or compare any guide there is and notice that not a single Templar build boasts the same amount of Class abilities as the other three.
Templars are inherently the least-thought-out class that relies the most on abilities that everyone else has access to. I'm trying to raise awareness of an egregious oversight.TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »I'm a nb...I use rally...rally is not a nb skill...it is a 2h skill...you are templar...you can use 2h skills...you can use rally...you have major brut hooray!
You have a damaging AOE heal that ALSO grants Major Brutality. You don't HAVE to run 2Hand. That's my point. Templars HAVE to, which is why Stamplars have the most 1-dimensional rotation in the game.
lol i would love if templars got a major brut buff, but that should not stop you from running the build you want to run just use a wpn dmg pot man.Darkonflare15 wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »I'm a nb...I use rally...rally is not a nb skill...it is a 2h skill...you are templar...you can use 2h skills...you can use rally...you have major brut hooray!
You have a damaging AOE heal that ALSO grants Major Brutality. You don't HAVE to run 2Hand. That's my point. Templars HAVE to, which is why Stamplars have the most 1-dimensional rotation in the game.
Use a potion. You can get almost every buff in the game by using potions . The buffs even last longer than most skills. If you do not want to use a potions than you really do not want Major brutality at all.
A viable option, for sure...
Unless you want Immovable, Detection, Health, etc.
Niche-Rich-Man builds...smh
The point is you have options man, you just don't want to use those options or give up anything and instead want another option so you can run your niche bow/S&B build or whatever it is you want to do.
If you present the argument that X class can do Y, therefore, my class should be able to do Y then what the hell is the point of classes in first place? At some point there has to be some difference right? do we really want to open that can of worms?
Fyi, some of the top players (pvp wise, i dont pve) in the game play stam and mag templar. There is just a wider gap between the "best in class" and the "learning to play".
Also this doesn't matter...it will be years before zos will be able to implement such a monumental change.
It's not a matter of being more like X. It's a matter of being more like X, Y, & Z.
You still haven't responded to the original argument, you have nothing to stand on here. Every post you've made is misinformed and you're just confused about many facts, I'm not the one that needs to read anything.
This is not an argument, it's just nonsense.Or compare any guide there is and notice that not a single Templar build boasts the same amount of Class abilities as the other three.
A stamina DK slots 1 or 2 class skills per bar, a stamina Templar slots 1 or 2 as well. DK has a better class based ultimate, that's about the only difference.
You never made an argument. Wtf r u crying about?
And the three other classes have their unique Ultimates to slot on top of a series of abilities the equate to more mobility, resource regen, and synergy than what the Templars were left with.
The only viable Ult we have is Nova, and that's still contingent on having other people around to be on par with the alternatives.PS4 DC Stamina Templar Tank/DPS...because I ALWAYS play on hard mode
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OdinForge✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »I'm a nb...I use rally...rally is not a nb skill...it is a 2h skill...you are templar...you can use 2h skills...you can use rally...you have major brut hooray!
You have a damaging AOE heal that ALSO grants Major Brutality. You don't HAVE to run 2Hand. That's my point. Templars HAVE to, which is why Stamplars have the most 1-dimensional rotation in the game.
No one uses drain power, at least not seriously. I've seen like one niche NB build that used drain power once, but the builder quickly replaced it with rally.
Drain power also doesn't heal you, get out of here with your facts.
Templar gets a ton of damage from built in passives, use rally like everyone else and get over it.
Stamplar has been insanely good, ESO in general is a one dimension game for every class.
OdinForge: "Stamplar has been insanely good."
kek.
Sorry bro, if you think Stamplar hasn't been good, you simply don't play it right. L2P might apply here.
Every class relies on 2H for the same reasons, any niche build that drops 2H is simply that, niche.
Until major mending with Rune in TG Stamplar was easily the worst Stamina class, what are you talking about?
I'm not going to sit here and defend your class for you, if you want to be good with a class/build in ESO right now you have to min/max. It doesn't really matter what your class is, major brutality as a class based skill isn't going to change that.
Templar has to be made up of the most uninformed player-base. With only a handful of players who know what they're doing, deviating from your ideas of average.
How would granting access to entirely different skill bar not going to change anything? You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.
The three other classes have an assortment of end-game-viable builds that use a MAJORITY of their own class abilities. Even after TG, Templars are now forced to fill their bars with Resto or 2-Hander depending on their resource. That is straight up inequality.
What are you even talking about!?
You actually came into this thread acting like NB uses drain power, and that it also heals. And I don't know what I'm talking about, whatever you're on get me some.
Feel free to read up on the Patch Notes if you don't understand what I'm talking about.
Or compare any guide there is and notice that not a single Templar build boasts the same amount of Class abilities as the other three.
Templars are inherently the least-thought-out class that relies the most on abilities that everyone else has access to. I'm trying to raise awareness of an egregious oversight.TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »I'm a nb...I use rally...rally is not a nb skill...it is a 2h skill...you are templar...you can use 2h skills...you can use rally...you have major brut hooray!
You have a damaging AOE heal that ALSO grants Major Brutality. You don't HAVE to run 2Hand. That's my point. Templars HAVE to, which is why Stamplars have the most 1-dimensional rotation in the game.
lol i would love if templars got a major brut buff, but that should not stop you from running the build you want to run just use a wpn dmg pot man.Darkonflare15 wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »I'm a nb...I use rally...rally is not a nb skill...it is a 2h skill...you are templar...you can use 2h skills...you can use rally...you have major brut hooray!
You have a damaging AOE heal that ALSO grants Major Brutality. You don't HAVE to run 2Hand. That's my point. Templars HAVE to, which is why Stamplars have the most 1-dimensional rotation in the game.
Use a potion. You can get almost every buff in the game by using potions . The buffs even last longer than most skills. If you do not want to use a potions than you really do not want Major brutality at all.
A viable option, for sure...
Unless you want Immovable, Detection, Health, etc.
Niche-Rich-Man builds...smh
The point is you have options man, you just don't want to use those options or give up anything and instead want another option so you can run your niche bow/S&B build or whatever it is you want to do.
If you present the argument that X class can do Y, therefore, my class should be able to do Y then what the hell is the point of classes in first place? At some point there has to be some difference right? do we really want to open that can of worms?
Fyi, some of the top players (pvp wise, i dont pve) in the game play stam and mag templar. There is just a wider gap between the "best in class" and the "learning to play".
Also this doesn't matter...it will be years before zos will be able to implement such a monumental change.
It's not a matter of being more like X. It's a matter of being more like X, Y, & Z.
You still haven't responded to the original argument, you have nothing to stand on here. Every post you've made is misinformed and you're just confused about many facts, I'm not the one that needs to read anything.
This is not an argument, it's just nonsense.Or compare any guide there is and notice that not a single Templar build boasts the same amount of Class abilities as the other three.
A stamina DK slots 1 or 2 class skills per bar, a stamina Templar slots 1 or 2 as well. DK has a better class based ultimate, that's about the only difference.
You never made an argument. Wtf r u crying about?
And the three other classes have their unique Ultimates to slot on top of a series of abilities the equate to more mobility, resource regen, and synergy than what the Templars were left with.
The only viable Ult we have is Nova, and that's still contingent on having other people around to be on par with the alternatives.
You're bringing up things like resto staff and nova, in an thread about stamina templar and major brutality.
It's pretty obvious you have no idea what you're talking about, good luck with Templar dude.The Age of Wrobel.0 -
TheM0rganism✭✭✭TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »I'm a nb...I use rally...rally is not a nb skill...it is a 2h skill...you are templar...you can use 2h skills...you can use rally...you have major brut hooray!
You have a damaging AOE heal that ALSO grants Major Brutality. You don't HAVE to run 2Hand. That's my point. Templars HAVE to, which is why Stamplars have the most 1-dimensional rotation in the game.
No one uses drain power, at least not seriously. I've seen like one niche NB build that used drain power once, but the builder quickly replaced it with rally.
Drain power also doesn't heal you, get out of here with your facts.
Templar gets a ton of damage from built in passives, use rally like everyone else and get over it.
Stamplar has been insanely good, ESO in general is a one dimension game for every class.
OdinForge: "Stamplar has been insanely good."
kek.
Sorry bro, if you think Stamplar hasn't been good, you simply don't play it right. L2P might apply here.
Every class relies on 2H for the same reasons, any niche build that drops 2H is simply that, niche.
Until major mending with Rune in TG Stamplar was easily the worst Stamina class, what are you talking about?
I'm not going to sit here and defend your class for you, if you want to be good with a class/build in ESO right now you have to min/max. It doesn't really matter what your class is, major brutality as a class based skill isn't going to change that.
Templar has to be made up of the most uninformed player-base. With only a handful of players who know what they're doing, deviating from your ideas of average.
How would granting access to entirely different skill bar not going to change anything? You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.
The three other classes have an assortment of end-game-viable builds that use a MAJORITY of their own class abilities. Even after TG, Templars are now forced to fill their bars with Resto or 2-Hander depending on their resource. That is straight up inequality.
What are you even talking about!?
You actually came into this thread acting like NB uses drain power, and that it also heals. And I don't know what I'm talking about, whatever you're on get me some.
Feel free to read up on the Patch Notes if you don't understand what I'm talking about.
Or compare any guide there is and notice that not a single Templar build boasts the same amount of Class abilities as the other three.
Templars are inherently the least-thought-out class that relies the most on abilities that everyone else has access to. I'm trying to raise awareness of an egregious oversight.TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »I'm a nb...I use rally...rally is not a nb skill...it is a 2h skill...you are templar...you can use 2h skills...you can use rally...you have major brut hooray!
You have a damaging AOE heal that ALSO grants Major Brutality. You don't HAVE to run 2Hand. That's my point. Templars HAVE to, which is why Stamplars have the most 1-dimensional rotation in the game.
lol i would love if templars got a major brut buff, but that should not stop you from running the build you want to run just use a wpn dmg pot man.Darkonflare15 wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »I'm a nb...I use rally...rally is not a nb skill...it is a 2h skill...you are templar...you can use 2h skills...you can use rally...you have major brut hooray!
You have a damaging AOE heal that ALSO grants Major Brutality. You don't HAVE to run 2Hand. That's my point. Templars HAVE to, which is why Stamplars have the most 1-dimensional rotation in the game.
Use a potion. You can get almost every buff in the game by using potions . The buffs even last longer than most skills. If you do not want to use a potions than you really do not want Major brutality at all.
A viable option, for sure...
Unless you want Immovable, Detection, Health, etc.
Niche-Rich-Man builds...smh
The point is you have options man, you just don't want to use those options or give up anything and instead want another option so you can run your niche bow/S&B build or whatever it is you want to do.
If you present the argument that X class can do Y, therefore, my class should be able to do Y then what the hell is the point of classes in first place? At some point there has to be some difference right? do we really want to open that can of worms?
Fyi, some of the top players (pvp wise, i dont pve) in the game play stam and mag templar. There is just a wider gap between the "best in class" and the "learning to play".
Also this doesn't matter...it will be years before zos will be able to implement such a monumental change.
It's not a matter of being more like X. It's a matter of being more like X, Y, & Z.
You still haven't responded to the original argument, you have nothing to stand on here. Every post you've made is misinformed and you're just confused about many facts, I'm not the one that needs to read anything.
This is not an argument, it's just nonsense.Or compare any guide there is and notice that not a single Templar build boasts the same amount of Class abilities as the other three.
A stamina DK slots 1 or 2 class skills per bar, a stamina Templar slots 1 or 2 as well. DK has a better class based ultimate, that's about the only difference.
You never made an argument. Wtf r u crying about?
And the three other classes have their unique Ultimates to slot on top of a series of abilities the equate to more mobility, resource regen, and synergy than what the Templars were left with.
The only viable Ult we have is Nova, and that's still contingent on having other people around to be on par with the alternatives.
You're bringing up things like resto staff and nova, in an thread about stamina templar and major brutality.
It's pretty obvious you have no idea what you're talking about, good luck with Templar dude.
Lmao. Yea. I brought up skill-design-in-relation-to-entire-kits in a thread about a gaping hole in the Templar kit.
Face it, kiddo: you got btfo. Maybe you should go back to doing something you're good at, like camping Bruma and ganking lowbiesPS4 DC Stamina Templar Tank/DPS...because I ALWAYS play on hard mode
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✭✭✭I like the suggestion someone made in a couple other threads to give it Major Fracture and possibly a bleed(phys) or magic dot. If they are to give the skill anything I don't want it to be a buff to self, I'd rather it threaten the enemy a little better. My favorite use of the skill is to send people off of keeps, likely the usage other people are going for. The cc on it is really weak, so I feel for its cost it deserves to have a little more umph behind it. In that regard I agree with the OP, I just don't agree with giving it Berserk, as has been said by others I'm happy to get that in other ways.US/AD - Dodge Hopper - Vet Imperial Templar | US/AD - Goj-ei-Raj - Vet Argonian Nightblade
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✭✭TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »I'm a nb...I use rally...rally is not a nb skill...it is a 2h skill...you are templar...you can use 2h skills...you can use rally...you have major brut hooray!
You have a damaging AOE heal that ALSO grants Major Brutality. You don't HAVE to run 2Hand. That's my point. Templars HAVE to, which is why Stamplars have the most 1-dimensional rotation in the game.
No one uses drain power, at least not seriously. I've seen like one niche NB build that used drain power once, but the builder quickly replaced it with rally.
Drain power also doesn't heal you, get out of here with your facts.
Templar gets a ton of damage from built in passives, use rally like everyone else and get over it.
Stamplar has been insanely good, ESO in general is a one dimension game for every class.
OdinForge: "Stamplar has been insanely good."
kek.
Sorry bro, if you think Stamplar hasn't been good, you simply don't play it right. L2P might apply here.
Every class relies on 2H for the same reasons, any niche build that drops 2H is simply that, niche.
Until major mending with Rune in TG Stamplar was easily the worst Stamina class, what are you talking about?
I'm not going to sit here and defend your class for you, if you want to be good with a class/build in ESO right now you have to min/max. It doesn't really matter what your class is, major brutality as a class based skill isn't going to change that.
Templar has to be made up of the most uninformed player-base. With only a handful of players who know what they're doing, deviating from your ideas of average.
How would granting access to entirely different skill bar not going to change anything? You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.
The three other classes have an assortment of end-game-viable builds that use a MAJORITY of their own class abilities. Even after TG, Templars are now forced to fill their bars with Resto or 2-Hander depending on their resource. That is straight up inequality.
What are you even talking about!?
You actually came into this thread acting like NB uses drain power, and that it also heals. And I don't know what I'm talking about, whatever you're on get me some.
Feel free to read up on the Patch Notes if you don't understand what I'm talking about.
Or compare any guide there is and notice that not a single Templar build boasts the same amount of Class abilities as the other three.
Templars are inherently the least-thought-out class that relies the most on abilities that everyone else has access to. I'm trying to raise awareness of an egregious oversight.TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »I'm a nb...I use rally...rally is not a nb skill...it is a 2h skill...you are templar...you can use 2h skills...you can use rally...you have major brut hooray!
You have a damaging AOE heal that ALSO grants Major Brutality. You don't HAVE to run 2Hand. That's my point. Templars HAVE to, which is why Stamplars have the most 1-dimensional rotation in the game.
lol i would love if templars got a major brut buff, but that should not stop you from running the build you want to run just use a wpn dmg pot man.Darkonflare15 wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »I'm a nb...I use rally...rally is not a nb skill...it is a 2h skill...you are templar...you can use 2h skills...you can use rally...you have major brut hooray!
You have a damaging AOE heal that ALSO grants Major Brutality. You don't HAVE to run 2Hand. That's my point. Templars HAVE to, which is why Stamplars have the most 1-dimensional rotation in the game.
Use a potion. You can get almost every buff in the game by using potions . The buffs even last longer than most skills. If you do not want to use a potions than you really do not want Major brutality at all.
A viable option, for sure...
Unless you want Immovable, Detection, Health, etc.
Niche-Rich-Man builds...smh
The point is you have options man, you just don't want to use those options or give up anything and instead want another option so you can run your niche bow/S&B build or whatever it is you want to do.
If you present the argument that X class can do Y, therefore, my class should be able to do Y then what the hell is the point of classes in first place? At some point there has to be some difference right? do we really want to open that can of worms?
Fyi, some of the top players (pvp wise, i dont pve) in the game play stam and mag templar. There is just a wider gap between the "best in class" and the "learning to play".
Also this doesn't matter...it will be years before zos will be able to implement such a monumental change.
It's not a matter of being more like X. It's a matter of being more like X, Y, & Z.
You still haven't responded to the original argument, you have nothing to stand on here. Every post you've made is misinformed and you're just confused about many facts, I'm not the one that needs to read anything.
This is not an argument, it's just nonsense.Or compare any guide there is and notice that not a single Templar build boasts the same amount of Class abilities as the other three.
A stamina DK slots 1 or 2 class skills per bar, a stamina Templar slots 1 or 2 as well. DK has a better class based ultimate, that's about the only difference.
You never made an argument. Wtf r u crying about?
And the three other classes have their unique Ultimates to slot on top of a series of abilities the equate to more mobility, resource regen, and synergy than what the Templars were left with.
The only viable Ult we have is Nova, and that's still contingent on having other people around to be on par with the alternatives.
You're bringing up things like resto staff and nova, in an thread about stamina templar and major brutality.
It's pretty obvious you have no idea what you're talking about, good luck with Templar dude.
Lmao. Yea. I brought up skill-design-in-relation-to-entire-kits in a thread about a gaping hole in the Templar kit.
Face it, kiddo: you got btfo. Maybe you should go back to doing something you're good at, like camping Bruma and ganking lowbies
Aside from the fact that I'd probably work you over with my level 21 Stamplar.The Age of Wrobel.1 -
TheM0rganism✭✭✭dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »I like the suggestion someone made in a couple other threads to give it Major Fracture and possibly a bleed(phys) or magic dot. If they are to give the skill anything I don't want it to be a buff to self, I'd rather it threaten the enemy a little better. My favorite use of the skill is to send people off of keeps, likely the usage other people are going for. The cc on it is really weak, so I feel for its cost it deserves to have a little more umph behind it. In that regard I agree with the OP, I just don't agree with giving it Berserk, as has been said by others I'm happy to get that in other ways.
Major Brutality just doesn't fit anywhere else in the kit, with the sole exception being possibly Power of the Light.
Putting it on Shards or Shield goes against it benefiting stamina builds.
Putting it in the passives would be a DK copy/paste.
Putting it on Radial Sweep still couldn't make that move useful.
Putting it on Jabs is excessive, as spamming jabs is already a problem.
Putting it on Toppling Charge woul-...lmao...just no.PS4 DC Stamina Templar Tank/DPS...because I ALWAYS play on hard mode
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✭What are yall usingTheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »I'm a nb...I use rally...rally is not a nb skill...it is a 2h skill...you are templar...you can use 2h skills...you can use rally...you have major brut hooray!
You have a damaging AOE heal that ALSO grants Major Brutality. You don't HAVE to run 2Hand. That's my point. Templars HAVE to, which is why Stamplars have the most 1-dimensional rotation in the game.
No one uses drain power, at least not seriously. I've seen like one niche NB build that used drain power once, but the builder quickly replaced it with rally.
Drain power also doesn't heal you, get out of here with your facts.
Templar gets a ton of damage from built in passives, use rally like everyone else and get over it.
Stamplar has been insanely good, ESO in general is a one dimension game for every class.
OdinForge: "Stamplar has been insanely good."
kek.
Sorry bro, if you think Stamplar hasn't been good, you simply don't play it right. L2P might apply here.
Every class relies on 2H for the same reasons, any niche build that drops 2H is simply that, niche.
Until major mending with Rune in TG Stamplar was easily the worst Stamina class, what are you talking about?
I'm not going to sit here and defend your class for you, if you want to be good with a class/build in ESO right now you have to min/max. It doesn't really matter what your class is, major brutality as a class based skill isn't going to change that.
Templar has to be made up of the most uninformed player-base. With only a handful of players who know what they're doing, deviating from your ideas of average.
How would granting access to entirely different skill bar not going to change anything? You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.
The three other classes have an assortment of end-game-viable builds that use a MAJORITY of their own class abilities. Even after TG, Templars are now forced to fill their bars with Resto or 2-Hander depending on their resource. That is straight up inequality.
What are you even talking about!?
You actually came into this thread acting like NB uses drain power, and that it also heals. And I don't know what I'm talking about, whatever you're on get me some.
Feel free to read up on the Patch Notes if you don't understand what I'm talking about.
Or compare any guide there is and notice that not a single Templar build boasts the same amount of Class abilities as the other three.
Templars are inherently the least-thought-out class that relies the most on abilities that everyone else has access to. I'm trying to raise awareness of an egregious oversight.TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »I'm a nb...I use rally...rally is not a nb skill...it is a 2h skill...you are templar...you can use 2h skills...you can use rally...you have major brut hooray!
You have a damaging AOE heal that ALSO grants Major Brutality. You don't HAVE to run 2Hand. That's my point. Templars HAVE to, which is why Stamplars have the most 1-dimensional rotation in the game.
lol i would love if templars got a major brut buff, but that should not stop you from running the build you want to run just use a wpn dmg pot man.Darkonflare15 wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »I'm a nb...I use rally...rally is not a nb skill...it is a 2h skill...you are templar...you can use 2h skills...you can use rally...you have major brut hooray!
You have a damaging AOE heal that ALSO grants Major Brutality. You don't HAVE to run 2Hand. That's my point. Templars HAVE to, which is why Stamplars have the most 1-dimensional rotation in the game.
Use a potion. You can get almost every buff in the game by using potions . The buffs even last longer than most skills. If you do not want to use a potions than you really do not want Major brutality at all.
A viable option, for sure...
Unless you want Immovable, Detection, Health, etc.
Niche-Rich-Man builds...smh
The point is you have options man, you just don't want to use those options or give up anything and instead want another option so you can run your niche bow/S&B build or whatever it is you want to do.
If you present the argument that X class can do Y, therefore, my class should be able to do Y then what the hell is the point of classes in first place? At some point there has to be some difference right? do we really want to open that can of worms?
Fyi, some of the top players (pvp wise, i dont pve) in the game play stam and mag templar. There is just a wider gap between the "best in class" and the "learning to play".
Also this doesn't matter...it will be years before zos will be able to implement such a monumental change.
It's not a matter of being more like X. It's a matter of being more like X, Y, & Z.
You're not X, Y or Z you are W, you chose W, if you want to be X, Y or Z go be them. If you want W to be X, Y or Z, well too bad it cant be because X, Y and Z already exist, therefore W is W.
You do realize that I agreed with you that they should have the buff right??? was just pointing out that you have other options and even an option that would allow you run whatever the f**k you wanted to.
Best of luck bud.
His point was Classes X, Y, Z have access to all these buffs in their class abilities that W does not. How can you call it fair when consistently W is the only class left without in class options? Why should "W" be forced to use out of class options for all these buffs when X, Y and Z all have access to them. Things like Major Brutality, Major Expedition, Major Fracture, Major Breach etc etc. Sure we can use out of class options that's not his point.1 -
Serenityx✭✭✭They should just remove all the classes and incorporate every ability into one class. Would that make you happy?0 -
TheM0rganism✭✭✭TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »I'm a nb...I use rally...rally is not a nb skill...it is a 2h skill...you are templar...you can use 2h skills...you can use rally...you have major brut hooray!
You have a damaging AOE heal that ALSO grants Major Brutality. You don't HAVE to run 2Hand. That's my point. Templars HAVE to, which is why Stamplars have the most 1-dimensional rotation in the game.
No one uses drain power, at least not seriously. I've seen like one niche NB build that used drain power once, but the builder quickly replaced it with rally.
Drain power also doesn't heal you, get out of here with your facts.
Templar gets a ton of damage from built in passives, use rally like everyone else and get over it.
Stamplar has been insanely good, ESO in general is a one dimension game for every class.
OdinForge: "Stamplar has been insanely good."
kek.
Sorry bro, if you think Stamplar hasn't been good, you simply don't play it right. L2P might apply here.
Every class relies on 2H for the same reasons, any niche build that drops 2H is simply that, niche.
Until major mending with Rune in TG Stamplar was easily the worst Stamina class, what are you talking about?
I'm not going to sit here and defend your class for you, if you want to be good with a class/build in ESO right now you have to min/max. It doesn't really matter what your class is, major brutality as a class based skill isn't going to change that.
Templar has to be made up of the most uninformed player-base. With only a handful of players who know what they're doing, deviating from your ideas of average.
How would granting access to entirely different skill bar not going to change anything? You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.
The three other classes have an assortment of end-game-viable builds that use a MAJORITY of their own class abilities. Even after TG, Templars are now forced to fill their bars with Resto or 2-Hander depending on their resource. That is straight up inequality.
What are you even talking about!?
You actually came into this thread acting like NB uses drain power, and that it also heals. And I don't know what I'm talking about, whatever you're on get me some.
Feel free to read up on the Patch Notes if you don't understand what I'm talking about.
Or compare any guide there is and notice that not a single Templar build boasts the same amount of Class abilities as the other three.
Templars are inherently the least-thought-out class that relies the most on abilities that everyone else has access to. I'm trying to raise awareness of an egregious oversight.TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »I'm a nb...I use rally...rally is not a nb skill...it is a 2h skill...you are templar...you can use 2h skills...you can use rally...you have major brut hooray!
You have a damaging AOE heal that ALSO grants Major Brutality. You don't HAVE to run 2Hand. That's my point. Templars HAVE to, which is why Stamplars have the most 1-dimensional rotation in the game.
lol i would love if templars got a major brut buff, but that should not stop you from running the build you want to run just use a wpn dmg pot man.Darkonflare15 wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »I'm a nb...I use rally...rally is not a nb skill...it is a 2h skill...you are templar...you can use 2h skills...you can use rally...you have major brut hooray!
You have a damaging AOE heal that ALSO grants Major Brutality. You don't HAVE to run 2Hand. That's my point. Templars HAVE to, which is why Stamplars have the most 1-dimensional rotation in the game.
Use a potion. You can get almost every buff in the game by using potions . The buffs even last longer than most skills. If you do not want to use a potions than you really do not want Major brutality at all.
A viable option, for sure...
Unless you want Immovable, Detection, Health, etc.
Niche-Rich-Man builds...smh
The point is you have options man, you just don't want to use those options or give up anything and instead want another option so you can run your niche bow/S&B build or whatever it is you want to do.
If you present the argument that X class can do Y, therefore, my class should be able to do Y then what the hell is the point of classes in first place? At some point there has to be some difference right? do we really want to open that can of worms?
Fyi, some of the top players (pvp wise, i dont pve) in the game play stam and mag templar. There is just a wider gap between the "best in class" and the "learning to play".
Also this doesn't matter...it will be years before zos will be able to implement such a monumental change.
It's not a matter of being more like X. It's a matter of being more like X, Y, & Z.
You still haven't responded to the original argument, you have nothing to stand on here. Every post you've made is misinformed and you're just confused about many facts, I'm not the one that needs to read anything.
This is not an argument, it's just nonsense.Or compare any guide there is and notice that not a single Templar build boasts the same amount of Class abilities as the other three.
A stamina DK slots 1 or 2 class skills per bar, a stamina Templar slots 1 or 2 as well. DK has a better class based ultimate, that's about the only difference.
You never made an argument. Wtf r u crying about?
And the three other classes have their unique Ultimates to slot on top of a series of abilities the equate to more mobility, resource regen, and synergy than what the Templars were left with.
The only viable Ult we have is Nova, and that's still contingent on having other people around to be on par with the alternatives.
You're bringing up things like resto staff and nova, in an thread about stamina templar and major brutality.
It's pretty obvious you have no idea what you're talking about, good luck with Templar dude.
Lmao. Yea. I brought up skill-design-in-relation-to-entire-kits in a thread about a gaping hole in the Templar kit.
Face it, kiddo: you got btfo. Maybe you should go back to doing something you're good at, like camping Bruma and ganking lowbies
Aside from the fact that I'd probably work you over with my level 21 Stamplar.
u r so mad. lmao.PS4 DC Stamina Templar Tank/DPS...because I ALWAYS play on hard mode
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TheM0rganism✭✭✭They should just remove all the classes and incorporate every ability into one class. Would that make you happy?
No.
I'm asking for an ETA on buffing Stamplars to be on level with the other three classes. If you're sarcastically making a point about forced homogenization, then that point can already be made by the fact that three classes already access to the Big Brut.
Templars not having Brutality feels less like diversity and more like neglect.PS4 DC Stamina Templar Tank/DPS...because I ALWAYS play on hard mode
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You still haven't made any assessment here, to prove you know what you're talking about. The only thing I've gathered from you or that other guy is that you both have no idea how to play Templar (or the easy game in general) in any capacity. You guys are swimming in a pool of confusion while barking at people who clearly know more about a class you both probably play more of, that's pretty sad.
Edited by OdinForge on March 8, 2016 7:47PMThe Age of Wrobel.0 -
mike.eso✭✭✭✭What are yall usingTheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »I'm a nb...I use rally...rally is not a nb skill...it is a 2h skill...you are templar...you can use 2h skills...you can use rally...you have major brut hooray!
You have a damaging AOE heal that ALSO grants Major Brutality. You don't HAVE to run 2Hand. That's my point. Templars HAVE to, which is why Stamplars have the most 1-dimensional rotation in the game.
No one uses drain power, at least not seriously. I've seen like one niche NB build that used drain power once, but the builder quickly replaced it with rally.
Drain power also doesn't heal you, get out of here with your facts.
Templar gets a ton of damage from built in passives, use rally like everyone else and get over it.
Stamplar has been insanely good, ESO in general is a one dimension game for every class.
OdinForge: "Stamplar has been insanely good."
kek.
Sorry bro, if you think Stamplar hasn't been good, you simply don't play it right. L2P might apply here.
Every class relies on 2H for the same reasons, any niche build that drops 2H is simply that, niche.
Until major mending with Rune in TG Stamplar was easily the worst Stamina class, what are you talking about?
I'm not going to sit here and defend your class for you, if you want to be good with a class/build in ESO right now you have to min/max. It doesn't really matter what your class is, major brutality as a class based skill isn't going to change that.
Templar has to be made up of the most uninformed player-base. With only a handful of players who know what they're doing, deviating from your ideas of average.
How would granting access to entirely different skill bar not going to change anything? You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.
The three other classes have an assortment of end-game-viable builds that use a MAJORITY of their own class abilities. Even after TG, Templars are now forced to fill their bars with Resto or 2-Hander depending on their resource. That is straight up inequality.
What are you even talking about!?
You actually came into this thread acting like NB uses drain power, and that it also heals. And I don't know what I'm talking about, whatever you're on get me some.
Feel free to read up on the Patch Notes if you don't understand what I'm talking about.
Or compare any guide there is and notice that not a single Templar build boasts the same amount of Class abilities as the other three.
Templars are inherently the least-thought-out class that relies the most on abilities that everyone else has access to. I'm trying to raise awareness of an egregious oversight.TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »I'm a nb...I use rally...rally is not a nb skill...it is a 2h skill...you are templar...you can use 2h skills...you can use rally...you have major brut hooray!
You have a damaging AOE heal that ALSO grants Major Brutality. You don't HAVE to run 2Hand. That's my point. Templars HAVE to, which is why Stamplars have the most 1-dimensional rotation in the game.
lol i would love if templars got a major brut buff, but that should not stop you from running the build you want to run just use a wpn dmg pot man.Darkonflare15 wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »I'm a nb...I use rally...rally is not a nb skill...it is a 2h skill...you are templar...you can use 2h skills...you can use rally...you have major brut hooray!
You have a damaging AOE heal that ALSO grants Major Brutality. You don't HAVE to run 2Hand. That's my point. Templars HAVE to, which is why Stamplars have the most 1-dimensional rotation in the game.
Use a potion. You can get almost every buff in the game by using potions . The buffs even last longer than most skills. If you do not want to use a potions than you really do not want Major brutality at all.
A viable option, for sure...
Unless you want Immovable, Detection, Health, etc.
Niche-Rich-Man builds...smh
The point is you have options man, you just don't want to use those options or give up anything and instead want another option so you can run your niche bow/S&B build or whatever it is you want to do.
If you present the argument that X class can do Y, therefore, my class should be able to do Y then what the hell is the point of classes in first place? At some point there has to be some difference right? do we really want to open that can of worms?
Fyi, some of the top players (pvp wise, i dont pve) in the game play stam and mag templar. There is just a wider gap between the "best in class" and the "learning to play".
Also this doesn't matter...it will be years before zos will be able to implement such a monumental change.
It's not a matter of being more like X. It's a matter of being more like X, Y, & Z.
You're not X, Y or Z you are W, you chose W, if you want to be X, Y or Z go be them. If you want W to be X, Y or Z, well too bad it cant be because X, Y and Z already exist, therefore W is W.
You do realize that I agreed with you that they should have the buff right??? was just pointing out that you have other options and even an option that would allow you run whatever the f**k you wanted to.
Best of luck bud.
His point was Classes X, Y, Z have access to all these buffs in their class abilities that W does not. How can you call it fair when consistently W is the only class left without in class options? Why should "W" be forced to use out of class options for all these buffs when X, Y and Z all have access to them. Things like Major Brutality, Major Expedition, Major Fracture, Major Breach etc etc. Sure we can use out of class options that's not his point.
I understand his point I am just politely disagreeing that it is a valid argument when justifying why templars should get the buff. NB's should get a class shield based on that argument should they not? Eventually using that argument you will end up with 4 identical classes so again what is the point of classes then? Balance isn't everyone having the same exact thing, balance is more like rocks, paper, scissor. Where you might excel against one class you should be weak against another.
Just to be clear...again...I said i would like templars to get the buff in their class skills. it really wouldn't change mush as most people would still choose 2h and rally but the reasoning presented to justify the change is flawed.
This guy said it simply...They should just remove all the classes and incorporate every ability into one class. Would that make you happy?Edited by mike.eso on March 8, 2016 7:53PM0 -
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You still haven't made any assessment here, to prove you know what you're talking about. The only thing I've gathered from you or that other guy is that you both have no idea how to play Templar (or the easy game in general) in any capacity. You guys are swimming in a pool of confusion while barking at people who clearly know more about a class you both probably play more of, that's pretty sad.
You're the only one tossing confusion around the thread, chump.
Templars are the only ones without direct access to Major Brutality, Major Expedition, Major Fracture, Major Breach, or Major Sorcery through class abilities alone. Every other one has multiple combinations of these. And we have zero. Nada. Zilch.
I just want Stamplars to get some extremely needed attention.
Stop pretending you have any idea what your talking about or that "you know a guy...". You're embarrassing yourself.PS4 DC Stamina Templar Tank/DPS...because I ALWAYS play on hard mode
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You still haven't made any assessment here, to prove you know what you're talking about. The only thing I've gathered from you or that other guy is that you both have no idea how to play Templar (or the easy game in general) in any capacity. You guys are swimming in a pool of confusion while barking at people who clearly know more about a class you both probably play more of, that's pretty sad.
I'm swimming in confusion? The dude making personal attacks to prove his point.....LOL.
It's obvious you do not play Templar. I doubt you even know all of the Templar skills and passives.You've been clinging to this "Stamina Templar is amazing" narrative but you can't provide any proof except "LTP" comments. No one is saying Stamina Templar's can never win fights. But it should be apparent to anyone with eyes that until Major Mending on our Rune was added Stamplar was easily in last place for Stamina builds as it SACRIFICED IT'S PRIMARY DEFENSIVE UTILITY. I also really loved your comment on purifying projectiles. You realize a stamina build has very limited magic yes? No Stamplar was "spamming" this skill unless they wanted to be out of mana real fast.
It's not even debatable, the fact you don't understand just highlights your ignorance on the subject.
You have provided no evidence to support your claims. No math, no comparisons of class skills and passives, nothing except an elitist attitude and post after post of ignorance and personal attacks. Seriously, GTFO with that weak attempt at a reasonable argument.1 -
TheM0rganism✭✭✭What are yall usingTheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »I'm a nb...I use rally...rally is not a nb skill...it is a 2h skill...you are templar...you can use 2h skills...you can use rally...you have major brut hooray!
You have a damaging AOE heal that ALSO grants Major Brutality. You don't HAVE to run 2Hand. That's my point. Templars HAVE to, which is why Stamplars have the most 1-dimensional rotation in the game.
No one uses drain power, at least not seriously. I've seen like one niche NB build that used drain power once, but the builder quickly replaced it with rally.
Drain power also doesn't heal you, get out of here with your facts.
Templar gets a ton of damage from built in passives, use rally like everyone else and get over it.
Stamplar has been insanely good, ESO in general is a one dimension game for every class.
OdinForge: "Stamplar has been insanely good."
kek.
Sorry bro, if you think Stamplar hasn't been good, you simply don't play it right. L2P might apply here.
Every class relies on 2H for the same reasons, any niche build that drops 2H is simply that, niche.
Until major mending with Rune in TG Stamplar was easily the worst Stamina class, what are you talking about?
I'm not going to sit here and defend your class for you, if you want to be good with a class/build in ESO right now you have to min/max. It doesn't really matter what your class is, major brutality as a class based skill isn't going to change that.
Templar has to be made up of the most uninformed player-base. With only a handful of players who know what they're doing, deviating from your ideas of average.
How would granting access to entirely different skill bar not going to change anything? You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.
The three other classes have an assortment of end-game-viable builds that use a MAJORITY of their own class abilities. Even after TG, Templars are now forced to fill their bars with Resto or 2-Hander depending on their resource. That is straight up inequality.
What are you even talking about!?
You actually came into this thread acting like NB uses drain power, and that it also heals. And I don't know what I'm talking about, whatever you're on get me some.
Feel free to read up on the Patch Notes if you don't understand what I'm talking about.
Or compare any guide there is and notice that not a single Templar build boasts the same amount of Class abilities as the other three.
Templars are inherently the least-thought-out class that relies the most on abilities that everyone else has access to. I'm trying to raise awareness of an egregious oversight.TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »I'm a nb...I use rally...rally is not a nb skill...it is a 2h skill...you are templar...you can use 2h skills...you can use rally...you have major brut hooray!
You have a damaging AOE heal that ALSO grants Major Brutality. You don't HAVE to run 2Hand. That's my point. Templars HAVE to, which is why Stamplars have the most 1-dimensional rotation in the game.
lol i would love if templars got a major brut buff, but that should not stop you from running the build you want to run just use a wpn dmg pot man.Darkonflare15 wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »I'm a nb...I use rally...rally is not a nb skill...it is a 2h skill...you are templar...you can use 2h skills...you can use rally...you have major brut hooray!
You have a damaging AOE heal that ALSO grants Major Brutality. You don't HAVE to run 2Hand. That's my point. Templars HAVE to, which is why Stamplars have the most 1-dimensional rotation in the game.
Use a potion. You can get almost every buff in the game by using potions . The buffs even last longer than most skills. If you do not want to use a potions than you really do not want Major brutality at all.
A viable option, for sure...
Unless you want Immovable, Detection, Health, etc.
Niche-Rich-Man builds...smh
The point is you have options man, you just don't want to use those options or give up anything and instead want another option so you can run your niche bow/S&B build or whatever it is you want to do.
If you present the argument that X class can do Y, therefore, my class should be able to do Y then what the hell is the point of classes in first place? At some point there has to be some difference right? do we really want to open that can of worms?
Fyi, some of the top players (pvp wise, i dont pve) in the game play stam and mag templar. There is just a wider gap between the "best in class" and the "learning to play".
Also this doesn't matter...it will be years before zos will be able to implement such a monumental change.
It's not a matter of being more like X. It's a matter of being more like X, Y, & Z.
You're not X, Y or Z you are W, you chose W, if you want to be X, Y or Z go be them. If you want W to be X, Y or Z, well too bad it cant be because X, Y and Z already exist, therefore W is W.
You do realize that I agreed with you that they should have the buff right??? was just pointing out that you have other options and even an option that would allow you run whatever the f**k you wanted to.
Best of luck bud.
His point was Classes X, Y, Z have access to all these buffs in their class abilities that W does not. How can you call it fair when consistently W is the only class left without in class options? Why should "W" be forced to use out of class options for all these buffs when X, Y and Z all have access to them. Things like Major Brutality, Major Expedition, Major Fracture, Major Breach etc etc. Sure we can use out of class options that's not his point.
I understand his point I am just politely disagreeing that it is a valid argument when justifying why templars should get the buff. NB's should get a class shield based on that argument should they not? Eventually using that argument you will end up with 4 identical classes so again what is the point of classes then? Balance isn't everyone having the same exact thing, balance is more like rocks, paper, scissor. Where you might excel against one class you should be weak against another.
Just to be clear...again...I said i would like templars to get the buff in their class skills. it really wouldn't change mush as most people would still choose 2h and rally but the reasoning presented to justify the change is flawed.
This guy said it simply...They should just remove all the classes and incorporate every ability into one class. Would that make you happy?
Except NB's have insane compensation for having no class shield; instead of mitigating damage they completely avoid it through direct access to Major Evasion and the most powerful disengage in the game in the form of Cloak.
That's what I'm talking about. I agree with you and respect you point that the rock-paper-scissors analogy is 100% correct and active in the game right now, as it should be. My point is Templars are the forth piece with no place in that parity whatsoever.PS4 DC Stamina Templar Tank/DPS...because I ALWAYS play on hard mode
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✭✭TheM0rganism wrote: »
You still haven't made any assessment here, to prove you know what you're talking about. The only thing I've gathered from you or that other guy is that you both have no idea how to play Templar (or the easy game in general) in any capacity. You guys are swimming in a pool of confusion while barking at people who clearly know more about a class you both probably play more of, that's pretty sad.
You're the only one tossing confusion around the thread, chump.
Templars are the only ones without direct access to Major Brutality, Major Expedition, Major Fracture, Major Breach, or Major Sorcery through class abilities alone. Every other one has multiple combinations of these. And we have zero. Nada. Zilch.
I just want Stamplars to get some extremely needed attention.
Stop pretending you have any idea what your talking about or that "you know a guy...". You're embarrassing yourself.
Templar is a healing class with the best self cleanse skill, with access to all those buffs via assist trees (you want to play like a DK or a NB, roll a DK or a NB!!!). The best stamnb builds don't use class based major expedition anymore, they use bow or DW. No NB uses class based major brutality, or a class based self heal. Stamplar typically slots an equal amount of skills as stamdk, DK being arguably one of the best 1v1 stam classes in PvP. This is how the game is currently. Major evasion is available to all classes!
You have not said anything correct in this thread to backup your fragile and scattered argument.Edited by OdinForge on March 8, 2016 8:03PMThe Age of Wrobel.0 -
TheM0rganism✭✭✭TheM0rganism wrote: »
You still haven't made any assessment here, to prove you know what you're talking about. The only thing I've gathered from you or that other guy is that you both have no idea how to play Templar (or the easy game in general) in any capacity. You guys are swimming in a pool of confusion while barking at people who clearly know more about a class you both probably play more of, that's pretty sad.
You're the only one tossing confusion around the thread, chump.
Templars are the only ones without direct access to Major Brutality, Major Expedition, Major Fracture, Major Breach, or Major Sorcery through class abilities alone. Every other one has multiple combinations of these. And we have zero. Nada. Zilch.
I just want Stamplars to get some extremely needed attention.
Stop pretending you have any idea what your talking about or that "you know a guy...". You're embarrassing yourself.
Templar is a healing class with the best self cleanse skill, with access to all those buffs via assist trees (you want to play like a DK or a NB, roll a DK or a NB!!!). The best stamnb builds don't use class based major expedition anymore, they use bow or DW. No NB uses class based major brutality, or a class based self heal. Stamplar typically slots an equal amount of skills as stamdk, DK being arguably one of the best 1v1 stam classes in PvP. This is how the game is currently. Major evasion is available to all classes!
You have not said anything correct in this thread to backup your fragile and scattered argument.
Have you seriously not played since 2014? DKs, NBs, and Sorcs are all better healers now in terms of support, off-dps, and straight heals, respectively.
For some reason you still have not grasped the basic concept of 2 > 1.PS4 DC Stamina Templar Tank/DPS...because I ALWAYS play on hard mode
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✭I'm a nb...I use rally...rally is not a nb skill...it is a 2h skill...you are templar...you can use 2h skills...you can use rally...you have major brut hooray!
And with the 6% passive is quite a strong Rally
let me count
12% for medium armor
6% for the passive
20% for rally
8% for FD
56% extra dmg... and we are not even mentioning the set to use (Hunding's rage?), neither the mundus stone
Rally I'm using over my major brutality ... I get my minor brutality from another skill....
Rally heals + Vigor + shields is to nice to pass up.... I do not see stam DK'S using .. It will be used for Magicka DK'S only....PVP DEADWAIT
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You have not said anything correct in this thread to backup your fragile and scattered argument.
Actually this applies to you more than anyone else here.
You still haven't proven your point from the post I responded to earlier. You claim Stamina Templar is "just as strong" as other stamina classes, BEFORE thieves guild. So prove it. List out the pro's a cons of each stamina class, you'll see Templar clearly in last place. Stop acting like there were no problems with the class last patch because you are clearly wrong. Also, cleansing projectiles was a bug and it has been fixed. So once again please educate yourself before you make ridiculous arguments.1 -
mike.eso✭✭✭✭TheM0rganism wrote: »What are yall usingTheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »I'm a nb...I use rally...rally is not a nb skill...it is a 2h skill...you are templar...you can use 2h skills...you can use rally...you have major brut hooray!
You have a damaging AOE heal that ALSO grants Major Brutality. You don't HAVE to run 2Hand. That's my point. Templars HAVE to, which is why Stamplars have the most 1-dimensional rotation in the game.
No one uses drain power, at least not seriously. I've seen like one niche NB build that used drain power once, but the builder quickly replaced it with rally.
Drain power also doesn't heal you, get out of here with your facts.
Templar gets a ton of damage from built in passives, use rally like everyone else and get over it.
Stamplar has been insanely good, ESO in general is a one dimension game for every class.
OdinForge: "Stamplar has been insanely good."
kek.
Sorry bro, if you think Stamplar hasn't been good, you simply don't play it right. L2P might apply here.
Every class relies on 2H for the same reasons, any niche build that drops 2H is simply that, niche.
Until major mending with Rune in TG Stamplar was easily the worst Stamina class, what are you talking about?
I'm not going to sit here and defend your class for you, if you want to be good with a class/build in ESO right now you have to min/max. It doesn't really matter what your class is, major brutality as a class based skill isn't going to change that.
Templar has to be made up of the most uninformed player-base. With only a handful of players who know what they're doing, deviating from your ideas of average.
How would granting access to entirely different skill bar not going to change anything? You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.
The three other classes have an assortment of end-game-viable builds that use a MAJORITY of their own class abilities. Even after TG, Templars are now forced to fill their bars with Resto or 2-Hander depending on their resource. That is straight up inequality.
What are you even talking about!?
You actually came into this thread acting like NB uses drain power, and that it also heals. And I don't know what I'm talking about, whatever you're on get me some.
Feel free to read up on the Patch Notes if you don't understand what I'm talking about.
Or compare any guide there is and notice that not a single Templar build boasts the same amount of Class abilities as the other three.
Templars are inherently the least-thought-out class that relies the most on abilities that everyone else has access to. I'm trying to raise awareness of an egregious oversight.TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »I'm a nb...I use rally...rally is not a nb skill...it is a 2h skill...you are templar...you can use 2h skills...you can use rally...you have major brut hooray!
You have a damaging AOE heal that ALSO grants Major Brutality. You don't HAVE to run 2Hand. That's my point. Templars HAVE to, which is why Stamplars have the most 1-dimensional rotation in the game.
lol i would love if templars got a major brut buff, but that should not stop you from running the build you want to run just use a wpn dmg pot man.Darkonflare15 wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »I'm a nb...I use rally...rally is not a nb skill...it is a 2h skill...you are templar...you can use 2h skills...you can use rally...you have major brut hooray!
You have a damaging AOE heal that ALSO grants Major Brutality. You don't HAVE to run 2Hand. That's my point. Templars HAVE to, which is why Stamplars have the most 1-dimensional rotation in the game.
Use a potion. You can get almost every buff in the game by using potions . The buffs even last longer than most skills. If you do not want to use a potions than you really do not want Major brutality at all.
A viable option, for sure...
Unless you want Immovable, Detection, Health, etc.
Niche-Rich-Man builds...smh
The point is you have options man, you just don't want to use those options or give up anything and instead want another option so you can run your niche bow/S&B build or whatever it is you want to do.
If you present the argument that X class can do Y, therefore, my class should be able to do Y then what the hell is the point of classes in first place? At some point there has to be some difference right? do we really want to open that can of worms?
Fyi, some of the top players (pvp wise, i dont pve) in the game play stam and mag templar. There is just a wider gap between the "best in class" and the "learning to play".
Also this doesn't matter...it will be years before zos will be able to implement such a monumental change.
It's not a matter of being more like X. It's a matter of being more like X, Y, & Z.
You're not X, Y or Z you are W, you chose W, if you want to be X, Y or Z go be them. If you want W to be X, Y or Z, well too bad it cant be because X, Y and Z already exist, therefore W is W.
You do realize that I agreed with you that they should have the buff right??? was just pointing out that you have other options and even an option that would allow you run whatever the f**k you wanted to.
Best of luck bud.
His point was Classes X, Y, Z have access to all these buffs in their class abilities that W does not. How can you call it fair when consistently W is the only class left without in class options? Why should "W" be forced to use out of class options for all these buffs when X, Y and Z all have access to them. Things like Major Brutality, Major Expedition, Major Fracture, Major Breach etc etc. Sure we can use out of class options that's not his point.
I understand his point I am just politely disagreeing that it is a valid argument when justifying why templars should get the buff. NB's should get a class shield based on that argument should they not? Eventually using that argument you will end up with 4 identical classes so again what is the point of classes then? Balance isn't everyone having the same exact thing, balance is more like rocks, paper, scissor. Where you might excel against one class you should be weak against another.
Just to be clear...again...I said i would like templars to get the buff in their class skills. it really wouldn't change mush as most people would still choose 2h and rally but the reasoning presented to justify the change is flawed.
This guy said it simply...They should just remove all the classes and incorporate every ability into one class. Would that make you happy?
Except NB's have insane compensation for having no class shield; instead of mitigating damage they completely avoid it through direct access to Major Evasion and the most powerful disengage in the game in the form of Cloak.
That's what I'm talking about. I agree with you and respect you point that the rock-paper-scissors analogy is 100% correct and active in the game right now, as it should be. My point is Templars are the forth piece with no place in that parity whatsoever.
Dude you gotta hop on the youtube and check out what some stamplars and magplars are doing on the pc.
There are plenty of them out there 1vxing like bosses and competing at the highest level (again pvp i don't pve).
I get you want all of those things available to you with in your class skills but most if not all are still available to you outside of your class skills and in skills that are completely viable to a stamplar. If you wanted to run a niche build than you might have to make some adjustments that most don't have to but you would again be running a niche build.
Templar skills need fixing for sure, lots of skills need fixing, lots of things in general in game need fixin, but templars getting class buffs just because other classes have the same buff within their class skills is not valid reasoning for a templar to have them.
(Just to be clear I didn't actually want nb's to get a class shield, just pointing out the slippery slope nature of this argument)Edited by mike.eso on March 8, 2016 8:13PM0 -
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Templar is a healing class with the best self cleanse skill, with access to all those buffs via assist trees
Also, before Thieves Guild Templar passives ONLY WORKED ON TEMPLAR SPECIFIC MAGIC HEALS. They literally did NOTHING for Stamplar which is why it was changed to Major Mending.
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You have not said anything correct in this thread to backup your fragile and scattered argument.
Actually this applies to you more than anyone else here.
You still haven't proven your point from the post I responded to earlier. You claim Stamina Templar is "just as strong" as other stamina classes, BEFORE thieves guild. So prove it. List out the pro's a cons of each stamina class, you'll see Templar clearly in last place. Stop acting like there were no problems with the class last patch because you are clearly wrong. Also, cleansing projectiles was a bug and it has been fixed. So once again please educate yourself before you make ridiculous arguments.
Are you serious?
Have you ever picked up a bow with shuffle and purify, the fact that you're even asking this question shows how disconnected you are with Templar. Why don't you try fighting one of these guys. I'm not going to teach you how to play your own class, learn for yourself.
Why don't you pick your poison here. I see top notch builds taking advantage of class skills and passives and a long standing meta using 2H and Bow, just like any other stamina DK or NB or Sorc. Templar has been good, you guys are funny.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRGOA6Mbr4M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOkhH841JIE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egD2Uu6pYZ0 Edited by OdinForge on March 8, 2016 8:25PMThe Age of Wrobel.0 -
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Dude you gotta hop on the youtube and check out what some stamplars and magplars are doing on the pc.TheM0rganism wrote: »What are yall usingTheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »I'm a nb...I use rally...rally is not a nb skill...it is a 2h skill...you are templar...you can use 2h skills...you can use rally...you have major brut hooray!
You have a damaging AOE heal that ALSO grants Major Brutality. You don't HAVE to run 2Hand. That's my point. Templars HAVE to, which is why Stamplars have the most 1-dimensional rotation in the game.
No one uses drain power, at least not seriously. I've seen like one niche NB build that used drain power once, but the builder quickly replaced it with rally.
Drain power also doesn't heal you, get out of here with your facts.
Templar gets a ton of damage from built in passives, use rally like everyone else and get over it.
Stamplar has been insanely good, ESO in general is a one dimension game for every class.
OdinForge: "Stamplar has been insanely good."
kek.
Sorry bro, if you think Stamplar hasn't been good, you simply don't play it right. L2P might apply here.
Every class relies on 2H for the same reasons, any niche build that drops 2H is simply that, niche.
Until major mending with Rune in TG Stamplar was easily the worst Stamina class, what are you talking about?
I'm not going to sit here and defend your class for you, if you want to be good with a class/build in ESO right now you have to min/max. It doesn't really matter what your class is, major brutality as a class based skill isn't going to change that.
Templar has to be made up of the most uninformed player-base. With only a handful of players who know what they're doing, deviating from your ideas of average.
How would granting access to entirely different skill bar not going to change anything? You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.
The three other classes have an assortment of end-game-viable builds that use a MAJORITY of their own class abilities. Even after TG, Templars are now forced to fill their bars with Resto or 2-Hander depending on their resource. That is straight up inequality.
What are you even talking about!?
You actually came into this thread acting like NB uses drain power, and that it also heals. And I don't know what I'm talking about, whatever you're on get me some.
Feel free to read up on the Patch Notes if you don't understand what I'm talking about.
Or compare any guide there is and notice that not a single Templar build boasts the same amount of Class abilities as the other three.
Templars are inherently the least-thought-out class that relies the most on abilities that everyone else has access to. I'm trying to raise awareness of an egregious oversight.TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »I'm a nb...I use rally...rally is not a nb skill...it is a 2h skill...you are templar...you can use 2h skills...you can use rally...you have major brut hooray!
You have a damaging AOE heal that ALSO grants Major Brutality. You don't HAVE to run 2Hand. That's my point. Templars HAVE to, which is why Stamplars have the most 1-dimensional rotation in the game.
lol i would love if templars got a major brut buff, but that should not stop you from running the build you want to run just use a wpn dmg pot man.Darkonflare15 wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »I'm a nb...I use rally...rally is not a nb skill...it is a 2h skill...you are templar...you can use 2h skills...you can use rally...you have major brut hooray!
You have a damaging AOE heal that ALSO grants Major Brutality. You don't HAVE to run 2Hand. That's my point. Templars HAVE to, which is why Stamplars have the most 1-dimensional rotation in the game.
Use a potion. You can get almost every buff in the game by using potions . The buffs even last longer than most skills. If you do not want to use a potions than you really do not want Major brutality at all.
A viable option, for sure...
Unless you want Immovable, Detection, Health, etc.
Niche-Rich-Man builds...smh
The point is you have options man, you just don't want to use those options or give up anything and instead want another option so you can run your niche bow/S&B build or whatever it is you want to do.
If you present the argument that X class can do Y, therefore, my class should be able to do Y then what the hell is the point of classes in first place? At some point there has to be some difference right? do we really want to open that can of worms?
Fyi, some of the top players (pvp wise, i dont pve) in the game play stam and mag templar. There is just a wider gap between the "best in class" and the "learning to play".
Also this doesn't matter...it will be years before zos will be able to implement such a monumental change.
It's not a matter of being more like X. It's a matter of being more like X, Y, & Z.
You're not X, Y or Z you are W, you chose W, if you want to be X, Y or Z go be them. If you want W to be X, Y or Z, well too bad it cant be because X, Y and Z already exist, therefore W is W.
You do realize that I agreed with you that they should have the buff right??? was just pointing out that you have other options and even an option that would allow you run whatever the f**k you wanted to.
Best of luck bud.
His point was Classes X, Y, Z have access to all these buffs in their class abilities that W does not. How can you call it fair when consistently W is the only class left without in class options? Why should "W" be forced to use out of class options for all these buffs when X, Y and Z all have access to them. Things like Major Brutality, Major Expedition, Major Fracture, Major Breach etc etc. Sure we can use out of class options that's not his point.
I understand his point I am just politely disagreeing that it is a valid argument when justifying why templars should get the buff. NB's should get a class shield based on that argument should they not? Eventually using that argument you will end up with 4 identical classes so again what is the point of classes then? Balance isn't everyone having the same exact thing, balance is more like rocks, paper, scissor. Where you might excel against one class you should be weak against another.
Just to be clear...again...I said i would like templars to get the buff in their class skills. it really wouldn't change mush as most people would still choose 2h and rally but the reasoning presented to justify the change is flawed.
This guy said it simply...They should just remove all the classes and incorporate every ability into one class. Would that make you happy?
Except NB's have insane compensation for having no class shield; instead of mitigating damage they completely avoid it through direct access to Major Evasion and the most powerful disengage in the game in the form of Cloak.
That's what I'm talking about. I agree with you and respect you point that the rock-paper-scissors analogy is 100% correct and active in the game right now, as it should be. My point is Templars are the forth piece with no place in that parity whatsoever.
Please feel free to post a stamplar video here. All the one's I've seen so far have been 501-Gold'd-Out min/max'd, not to mention on PC.
And, again, Templars have the least amount of class-specific buffs, with more non-functioning or flat-out-useless abilities in relation to the other three. I agree with you 100% that there should be a flavor to each of the classes, bringing their own idiosyncratic nature to a team composition. But as of right now, a wave of buffs for both Stamplars and Magplars would only level the playing ground. And that's a fact.PS4 DC Stamina Templar Tank/DPS...because I ALWAYS play on hard mode
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✭Cherry picking fights against weak inexperienced players proves nothing. Every single one of those players would have been harder to kill as any other stamina class, they are using their skill at PVP to make up for a bad set of class skills/passives. For real Odin, just LOOK at the pro's/cons for each Stamina Class from the last patch. Even tho it was a bug include purify if you want, just keep in mind no stamina class is spamming magic skills LOL.
Or since you seem to have trouble reading maybe I should do it for you.
Before thieves guild:
Stamina DK: Better class armor buff, Major Mending on class shield (this immediately makes them better than Stamplar), Physical Ultimate, etc etc I could keep going but Major Mending by itself beat Templar because it buffs Rally/Vigor. +5% wep dmg on class passive.
Nightblade: LOL idk even know why I have to point it out. Better passives, Cloak, Major Fracture etc etc.
Stamina Sorc: Baseline Rally/Vigor, Crit Surge for extra healing and Major brut on that too, +11% HA dmg, +8% stam, comparable wep dmg to Temp. Major Expedition, better resource regen Etc Etc
Stamina Templar: Biting Jabs (which is worse than WB in many situations), Repentance (needs dead bodies), poor sustain, 6% wep dmg (Tied with Sorc or slightly stronger, 2% lol). Inaccess to almost all class skills and passives except Aedric Spear. No AOE CC, Weak ST CC, weak resource regen and "purifying" projectiles (bug). +dmg to blocking targets lol.
Which part of our kit is so strong it would push templar up the ladder?
Stam Classes last patch:
1. DK
2. NB
3. Sorc
4. Templar
Edit: Spelling.Edited by AfkNinja on March 8, 2016 8:36PM2 -
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✭✭TheM0rganism wrote: »Please feel free to post a stamplar video here. All the one's I've seen so far have been 501-Gold'd-Out min/max'd, not to mention on PC.
That's called knowing what you're doing, good players come at all CP levels. Don't hide behind the CP wall as if it's some kind of scape goat. Everyone played under cap once upon a time, it's nothing definitive. Don't assume everyone is cp capped, because they're doing things you don't know how.
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You have not said anything correct in this thread to backup your fragile and scattered argument.
Actually this applies to you more than anyone else here.
You still haven't proven your point from the post I responded to earlier. You claim Stamina Templar is "just as strong" as other stamina classes, BEFORE thieves guild. So prove it. List out the pro's a cons of each stamina class, you'll see Templar clearly in last place. Stop acting like there were no problems with the class last patch because you are clearly wrong. Also, cleansing projectiles was a bug and it has been fixed. So once again please educate yourself before you make ridiculous arguments.
Are you serious?
Have you ever picked up a bow with shuffle and purify, the fact that you're even asking this question shows how disconnected you are with Templar. Why don't you try fighting one of these guys. I'm not going to teach you how to play your own class, learn for yourself.
Why don't you pick your poison here. I see top notch builds taking advantage of class skills and passives and a long standing meta using 2H and Bow, just like any other stamina DK or NB or Sorc. Templar has been good, you guys are funny.
Wait...your argument that Templars are "just fine" is based on a series of videos featuring CP-capped streamers using AT LEAST a half-dozen add-ons and $2500+ gaming rigs?
ZOS should give you a job immediately.Edited by TheM0rganism on March 8, 2016 8:37PMPS4 DC Stamina Templar Tank/DPS...because I ALWAYS play on hard mode
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