BalticBlues wrote: »

Godeko wrote: »

Buy that dlc or dont. Enough options imho.

Are you serious?
Not buying a new area DLC is not an option for serious ESO players.

First, you need to be able to run all dungeons and trials with your friends.
Also every skill point counts for people who want to max their character.

So far, I find most quests in this game pretty open-minded.
I would not have exptected a DLC dedicated to becoming a criminal.
Not without an alternative option to play the other side to keep role-playing believable.

Agree

As for "serious player": I consider myself one.
Yet I won't support this DLC since it did not deliver the one gamechanging mechanic I wanted in ESO: Justice PvP.

I have an ESO+ active, will go there to pick up the skyshards and to max out that skill line. But when the sub expires, I won't be buying TG DLC. So I will miss out on ONE trial.
Big deal.

I have already bought IC, am thinking of buying Orsinium for the vMA farm.
I will never buy TG DLC in this form.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

I will play it as an undercover agent, if I have a quest giver for it or not does not matter to me. I start with a good intention into this adventure, but I will have to see, if my character might or might not get corrupted by actually being in this guild. This is open, I decide from the perspective of the character and how my character will experience the guild and their members.

Edit: In Skyrim for example I came pretty early to the conclusion that the guild is just a bunch of disgusting thugs and I abandoned that guild - I was not willing to further do anything in favor of that guild.

^ this. Good role players do not need hand holding by the game maker.

While this is true, it's still a shame ZOS didn't take the opportunity to distinguish ESO: TU from the average themepark MMORPG.
But, as I said before, the main problem with the DLC is having basically no non-guild quests (aside from the quest for the trial and two repatable quests for the delves), Having a questline of 5-6 quests to bring a non-guild oriented character to Abah's Landing would have been useful.

Yea this is a major complaint of mine, the TG, and DB should have been in the game since launch, not to mention the inability to use the fighters guild abilities when u r a vamp, or WW.

For example u cant b a vamp WW, u can only b 1 or the other, and the fighters guild is essentially the dawn guard in this game, so why should a vamp, or WW b able to use that skill line.

But once again this is ESO, and when i 1st played the beta on the PC and realized u couldnt swim under water i already figured then that this game would have tons of BS in it.

With all that said also lets think about another skill line in the game that is just completely pointless up until u atleast complete the main story....

1. Soul Magic

Ok once u beat the game u get your characters soul back from molag bal right?....

So who in the crap allowed the passive ability SOUL SHATTER to b in the game at the start, i mean seriously.....

2. Soul Shatter= when your hp drops below.... your SOUL explodes, for real.... your soul.... how does that work exactly being that your character does not have a soul at the beginning of the game.

This is just 1 of the many things in ESO that will make u realize that the prioritization of the developing team is just screwy.

If you wanna be a guard wait for the Guard's Guild DLC.

Kendaric wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

I will play it as an undercover agent, if I have a quest giver for it or not does not matter to me. I start with a good intention into this adventure, but I will have to see, if my character might or might not get corrupted by actually being in this guild. This is open, I decide from the perspective of the character and how my character will experience the guild and their members.

Edit: In Skyrim for example I came pretty early to the conclusion that the guild is just a bunch of disgusting thugs and I abandoned that guild - I was not willing to further do anything in favor of that guild.

^ this. Good role players do not need hand holding by the game maker.

While this is true, it's still a shame ZOS didn't take the opportunity to distinguish ESO: TU from the average themepark MMORPG.
But, as I said before, the main problem with the DLC is having basically no non-guild quests (aside from the quest for the trial and two repatable quests for the delves), Having a questline of 5-6 quests to bring a non-guild oriented character to Abah's Landing would have been useful.

This!

It's a real shame they are not willing to risk even one bit with new mechanics.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0Hmc7eeXjw

The thing is, I agree with you to an extend.

Choices are awesome, and ESO should have more of it. Having two sides in almost every DLC would've been awesome, so the player can choose to allign themselves with one side or the other.

However, in this case.. The Thieves Guild and The Dark Brotherhood has been missing since the launch of the game, and everyone is forced into becoming both an Arch-Mage and a Fighters Guild Champion to even complete the storyline and progress through the game. Which is why I feel none really should blame Zenimax for finally releasing the Thieves Guild, while not giving players any choice to fight against them.

The rest of us wasn't given a choice to oppose the Mages Guild or The Fighters Guild, which is why them releasing the Thieves Guild and The Dark Brotherhood without such an option is only "fair".

HOWEVER! Having options to oppose all of them would've been way better, absolutely.

It's interesting that in ESO, you actually get REWARDED for being an jerk and are shafted for being a good guy. Two examples... first are those random 'merchants' along the road with their horse, if you have the "intimidate" option then you can threaten them to give up their valuables... at which point you get XP rewards for it. Second, the Mages Guild quest... if you send Valaste off with Sheogorath you get TWO skill points, but if you let her stay, you get a worthless staff as a reward.

Just seems to me that this game heavily leans towards players who prefer to play with a nasty edge, instead of those who prefer to play a virtuous character. Personally, I've never stolen or pick-pocketed anyone... I get enough money without doing that... so I'm hoping that TG doesn't force characters to become regular criminals for the sake of completing quests. Now, I don't mind the, "steal from the rich, give to the poor" mentality... I just don't like the idea of robbing 'innocent' people. Even though on my current character I've been robbing those merchants using "intimidate" and will be sending Valaste to the Shivering Isles... simply because it benefits my character without suffering any penalties for doing so.

I feel similarly about the way they assume you'll make deals with Nocturnal. I'd like the option to tell her to get lost, as that's what I feel my characters would do, or at least be able to stab her in the back at the end of the quest.

It'll be a shame if we have to be full-out 'bad guy' criminals. We could be a law abiding citizen under-cover, a bounty hunter...the possibilities are not only endless but offer a diverse way to play through one story-line.

Lysette wrote: »

ShadowHvo wrote: »

The thing is, I agree with you to an extend.

Choices are awesome, and ESO should have more of it. Having two sides in almost every DLC would've been awesome, so the player can choose to allign themselves with one side or the other.

However, in this case.. The Thieves Guild and The Dark Brotherhood has been missing since the launch of the game, and everyone is forced into becoming both an Arch-Mage and a Fighters Guild Champion to even complete the storyline and progress through the game. Which is why I feel none really should blame Zenimax for finally releasing the Thieves Guild, while not giving players any choice to fight against them.

The rest of us wasn't given a choice to oppose the Mages Guild or The Fighters Guild, which is why them releasing the Thieves Guild and The Dark Brotherhood without such an option is only "fair".

HOWEVER! Having options to oppose all of them would've been way better, absolutely.

This is one of the reasons why I have characters in every faction - my characters might at some point in time just refuse to get on with the storyline and never complete the main story - and then they could not go ínto other faction territories. With characters in all factions I can still see and experience these territories and do not have to drop role play over this.

Edit: I just wonder how this is resolved with the TG missions into other territories in Tamriel - will I be excluded from doing these missions, just because I have not completed the main story line?

I believe this is how it is going to work: You will only be assigned mission to territories you have access to. If you are not Veteran yet, these missions will send you to your alliance's territories. It seems to be like this based on reports from PTS. If you are already at least VR1, starting with TG, you will be able to go to both other factions even if you didn't finish the main quest, so you will be assigned mission on their territories too.

I couldn't test it myself because when the character copy happened all my characters were at least VR1 already, but the patch version didn't have that feature yet (the "Silver and Gold open when you reach VR1" one).

ADarklore wrote: »

It's interesting that in ESO, you actually get REWARDED for being an jerk and are shafted for being a good guy. Two examples... first are those random 'merchants' along the road with their horse, if you have the "intimidate" option then you can threaten them to give up their valuables... at which point you get XP rewards for it. Second, the Mages Guild quest... if you send Valaste off with Sheogorath you get TWO skill points, but if you let her stay, you get a worthless staff as a reward.

The thing about doing what is right is that you are not always going to be rewarded for it.

I think ZOS did a good job. On the two situations you described, there is the temptation of doing what you know is wrong because it will benefit you. And it is just a game, right? It is not like you are harming anyone, right?

But I can't. I did Mages Guild 8 times, and 8 times I demanded Sheogorath to cure Valaste. When she says she doesn't have any friends, I wish I could hug her and tell her I am her friend. And it is not only a RP thing. I do have an "evil" character, but not even while playing that character I could bring myself to send Valaste to the Shivering Isles.

And, you know, it is already a pretty easy choice for me. No way I would send her to the Shivering Isles. So, for the decision not to be so obvious to everybody, they had to offer a good reward for the other option.