Are the beast races able to cross breed with the other races of Tamriel?

Fairydragon3 · July 2014

Yeah I'm pretty sure they can't cross breed, Men can mix with with the Mer, but otherwise, the bestmen are much to different genetically.

The motivation for people to be with same sex or a cross species couple, is mostly due to the fact people die so often, its kind of like live the way you want while you can, mentality, unless of course you are a noble

gurluasb16_ESO · July 2014

Weren't the Khajit originally Mer too that got changed by Azura? They definitely aren't as different biologically as the Argonians are.

Humor · July 2014

Blud wrote: »

As an Argonian, I find OP's use of the term "beast" crude and offensive.

The term "beast" (used to indicate persons of any kind) should still not be used by or among well-informed and properly educated beings.

Stay moist and erect the spine of tolerance.

Would you prefer to be called a "Scaley Piece of *** with two legs"?

Natjur · July 2014

I think the different races have different number of chromosomes.

As we do not see any 'mixed' breed races, either they can not have children or they are like mules and their off-string are infertile.

Besides Argonian are cold blooded and lay eggs, Khajiit are warm blooded that give birth to live young. Even if they did have the same number of chromosomes, I can't see that working.

From the lore I read on the Argonian, a male is not even involved. The female Argonian lay an infertile egg and its put under the hist tree and the tree makes them fertile. So does a male Argonian even have a pe.....

gurluasb16_ESO · July 2014

Or they follow the same rules as the Mer/Men hybrids. I.E they're either Khajit/Man/Mer depending on who the mother is.

As for Argonians, I think they're truly incompatible with the others due to the whole egg-laying thing. And them being born from the Hist, not from the Ehlnofey like the other races.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO · July 2014

Fairydragon3 wrote: »

Yeah I'm pretty sure they can't cross breed, Men can mix with with the Mer, but otherwise, the bestmen are much to different genetically.

The motivation for people to be with same sex or a cross species couple, is mostly due to the fact people die so often, its kind of like live the way you want while you can, mentality, unless of course you are a noble

weird, I was under the impression that people were with the same sex because that was the sex they were attracted to.

Aeradon · July 2014

Have you seen the Orcs?

Just kidding.

Zhoyzu · July 2014

i should hope not, i wouldnt allow a redguard to date my daughter!

Dekkameron · July 2014

Zhoyzu wrote: »

i should hope not, i wouldnt allow a redguard to date my daughter!

LOL!

AlexDougherty · July 2014

gurluasb16_ESO wrote: »

Or they follow the same rules as the Mer/Men hybrids. I.E they're either Khajit/Man/Mer depending on who the mother is.

There is a book in game that implies that it isn't the same.

It doesn't say that it is impossible for Khajiit to cross-breed with elves or men, but it does imply that if they can cross-breed it's much harder for them.

It also says there are no confirmed cases of Khajiit cross-breeding with elves or men. Stories of it happening, but not evidence, although I'm not sure what would consitute evidence for the author.

Obviously Argonians can't cross-breed with the other races, because they're egg-layers.

Lord_Draevan · July 2014

Khajiit breeding with the other races of Tamriel might be possible... but it's impossible Argonians can. They don't reproduce through intercourse, they lay eggs. The Tsaesci of Akavir are also reptiles, so it might be they could cross-breed with Argonians.

Eatitapple · July 2014

Natjur wrote: »

From the lore I read on the Argonian, a male is not even involved. The female Argonian lay an infertile egg and its put under the hist tree and the tree makes them fertile. So does a male Argonian even have a pe.....

Actually there's a book in game about the mating rituals of argonian that they do mate with the females during the ritual but only some of them are allowed i cant remember but i think they fight each other or something for who gets the right.

Edit: here it is
I shall endeavor to shed light on these most mysterious creatures, the Argonians, paying particular attention to their mating rituals.

Many speak in whispers of the Hist, a faceless entity with whom all Argonians claim bonds. According to legend, the Hist lives at the heart of Black Marsh in a tree that routinely walks the lands, patrolling its borders.

Some say the wandering Hist is a metaphor for the Argonian condition. Doomed to toil amongst the fetid swamps, they desire a way out of their misery. Somehow the Argonians continue to survive, their numbers neither rising nor falling regardless of adversity.

The lizard-folk view mating as a simple call to procreation by their leader, the Hist. To participate in this annual event, Argonians travel to the town of Hissmir and engage in several trials. The trial winners are allowed to mate, while losers must return the following year.

reagen_lionel · July 2014

Eatitapple wrote: »

Natjur wrote: »

From the lore I read on the Argonian, a male is not even involved. The female Argonian lay an infertile egg and its put under the hist tree and the tree makes them fertile. So does a male Argonian even have a pe.....

Actually there's a book in game about the mating rituals of argonian that they do mate with the females during the ritual but only some of them are allowed i cant remember but i think they fight each other or something for who gets the right.

Edit: here it is
I shall endeavor to shed light on these most mysterious creatures, the Argonians, paying particular attention to their mating rituals.

Many speak in whispers of the Hist, a faceless entity with whom all Argonians claim bonds. According to legend, the Hist lives at the heart of Black Marsh in a tree that routinely walks the lands, patrolling its borders.

Some say the wandering Hist is a metaphor for the Argonian condition. Doomed to toil amongst the fetid swamps, they desire a way out of their misery. Somehow the Argonians continue to survive, their numbers neither rising nor falling regardless of adversity.

The lizard-folk view mating as a simple call to procreation by their leader, the Hist. To participate in this annual event, Argonians travel to the town of Hissmir and engage in several trials. The trial winners are allowed to mate, while losers must return the following year.

Yep i read that exact thing ingame.

gurluasb16_ESO · July 2014

AlexDougherty wrote: »

gurluasb16_ESO wrote: »

Or they follow the same rules as the Mer/Men hybrids. I.E they're either Khajit/Man/Mer depending on who the mother is.

There is a book in game that implies that it isn't the same.

It doesn't say that it is impossible for Khajiit to cross-breed with elves or men, but it does imply that if they can cross-breed it's much harder for them.

It also says there are no confirmed cases of Khajiit cross-breeding with elves or men. Stories of it happening, but not evidence, although I'm not sure what would consitute evidence for the author.

Obviously Argonians can't cross-breed with the other races, because they're egg-layers.

True but the book is not only in-universe but the author is clearly not knowing everything. The book should be taken as In-game lore not hard fact.

It is logical for Khajit, who are mammals and descend from Mer to be able to mate and have rules similar to the other mer. After all, Dunmer and Orcs can crossbreed too, and they're also changed by a Daedra. (The lore implies Azura changed the Khajit into Cat people from a Mer ancestor race that also became the Bosmer)

Fairydragon3 · July 2014

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

Fairydragon3 wrote: »

Yeah I'm pretty sure they can't cross breed, Men can mix with with the Mer, but otherwise, the bestmen are much to different genetically.

The motivation for people to be with same sex or a cross species couple, is mostly due to the fact people die so often, its kind of like live the way you want while you can, mentality, unless of course you are a noble

weird, I was under the impression that people were with the same sex because that was the sex they were attracted to.

that of course counts, as of yesterday, i found my first Bisexual in the game.

The point is no one bats an eyelash as far as same sex couples go

Natjur wrote: »

I think the different races have different number of chromosomes.

As we do not see any 'mixed' breed races, either they can not have children or they are like mules and their off-string are infertile.

Besides Argonian are cold blooded and lay eggs, Khajiit are warm blooded that give birth to live young. Even if they did have the same number of chromosomes, I can't see that working.

From the lore I read on the Argonian, a male is not even involved. The female Argonian lay an infertile egg and its put under the hist tree and the tree makes them fertile. So does a male Argonian even have a pe.....

actually thats how the bretons arised, men/mer relastions

there is also the Champion of the arena in Olivion, He was part orc(a mer race) part imperial, and part vampire

SantieClaws · July 2014

We all know Raz and Queen Ayrenn will get together one day. That's what this is all about isn't it. Can a fuzzy cat with big elf ears and long blonde hair ever rule the Aldmeri Dominion.

Valknir · March 2016

Rosveen wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

After much analysis of living specimens, the Council long ago determined that all "races" of elves and humans may mate with each other and bear fertile offspring. Generally the offspring bear the racial traits of the mother, though some traces of the father's race may also be present. It is less clear whether the Argonians and Khajiit are interfertile with both humans and elves. Though there have been many reports throughout the Eras of children from these unions, as well as stories of unions with daedra, there have been no well documented offspring. Khajiit differ from humans and elves not only their skeletal and dermal physiology -- the “fur” that covers their bodies -- but their metabolism and digestion as well. Argonians, like the dreugh, appear to be a semi-aquatic troglophile form of humans, though it is by no means clear whether the Argonians should be classified with dreugh, men, mer, or (in this author's opinion), certain tree-dwelling lizards in Black Marsh.

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Racial_Phylogeny

It may be possible, but the outlook is not so good.

Keep in mind that the author has no proof of the existence of half-Orcs either, despite it being painfully obvious to us players that Orcs can breed with other mer and men. So I would take his assumptions with a bucket of salt, his knowledge is rudimentary at best.

This lorebook was probably written before the existence of the Gray Prince, AKA Agronak gro-Malog, the Arena Champion in TESIV: Oblivion.

Cadbury · March 2016

Liquid_Time wrote: »

Laura wrote: »

Khajit and Argonians can cross breed.

DISCLAIMER: Image may or may not be lore friendly.

Thank you. This is the proof I required.

Would those be called Ajiit or Khagonians? Either way, I can see alot of Skooma Sap in their future.

Moonshadow66 · March 2016

Archaole wrote: »

There is a short AD quest having to do with a bosmer and a khajit. Male and female so they can love each other at least. Not sure about the other part of that equation...

Yep, it's in Malabal Tor. There's also one in Shadowfen with an Argonian and a Dunmer (I think it's a Dunmer).
Both couples are male and female, but this does not mean that male/male or female/female could not "love each other", as you said.

FriedEggSandwich · March 2016

Recently I had to make up a backstory for my altmer main toon, so I said that he was 8th orsimer from having an orc great grandfather. So I hope so lol. Tbh it makes more sense 2 mer races getting it on.

Ffastyl · March 2016

Since a skim of the thread did not reveal any lengthy quotes of it, here is a book on interracial mating. Apologies if already mentioned.

Notes on Racial Phylogeny and Biology

It is less clear whether the Argonians and Khajiit are interfertile with both humans and elves. Though there have been many reports throughout the Eras of children from these unions, as well as stories of unions with daedra, there have been no well documented offspring.

Abeille · March 2016

gurluasb16_ESO wrote: »

Or they follow the same rules as the Mer/Men hybrids. I.E they're either Khajit/Man/Mer depending on who the mother is.

As for Argonians, I think they're truly incompatible with the others due to the whole egg-laying thing. And them being born from the Hist, not from the Ehlnofey like the other races.

This is what I believe to be true, yes.

Khajiit are said to be mer by many npcs, and all races of mer and men can crossbreed. There is a Khajiit in the Reaper's March that talks like an Imperial, and you can ask her about it. She doesn't say that her father is an Imperial, but she says that her mother would hate to hear her speaking like that, so that's what I assumed to be the case.

About Argonians, there are many theories about how they came to be, but I never heard of anyone saying they are some kind of mer too. I believe they cannot breed with the other races.

But most of it is my headcanon, influenced by some bits of canon here and there. We should ask @Lawrence_Schick when we get the chance.

Also, a lot of what we perceive as "canon" comes from npcs, or books written by npcs, and is not necessarily accurate.

LBxFinalDeath · March 2016

Can they mate? Yes.

Can they have children? Yes, it'll always be the race of the mother though with very few if any traits from the father.

Can they make hybrids? Sorta, it requires enslaving a race and attempting to make a hybrid over countless years and generations to spawn a hybrid. (Only time this ever happened was with the Bretons...which are half ancient elf (their actual name escapes me) and half nede..)

Since enslaving an entire race doesn't fly anymore...I wouldn't count on it.

ListerJMC · March 2016

Uhh I've seen it mentioned a few times in this thread that orcs can't have kids with other races. That's not true: the Grey Prince in Oblivion had an Orc mother and an Imperial father.

Fun fact: his father was also a vampire, meaning that it is possible for vampires to have children in some instances.

Ffastyl · March 2016

LBxFinalDeath wrote: »

(Only time this ever happened was with the Bretons...which are half ancient elf (their actual name escapes me) and half nede..)

Bretons are also called Manmer ("Man Elves") and were originally Nedes enslaved by the Direnni Aldmer (predecessors to Altmer). Unlike the other provinces of Tamriel where the humans violently overthrew their elven masters, the Bretons gained the trust and respect of the Aldmer as second class citizens. Gradually, the Aldmer delegated more and more responsibility and power to the trustworthy Manmer and without mass bloodshed the Manmer came to rule on equal footing to the Direnni. The Direnni eventually died out, leaving High Rock to the Bretons. When other races, such as the Nords, began to thoroughly mingle in High Rock, the Breton lords altered the history records to show the Bretons overcoming the same vile masters in the same violent manner as the other races to gain prestige.

Breton history and society is fascinating but very few accurate documents exist due to people in power frequently changing historical records to make themselves look better.

Inarre · March 2016

Samadhi wrote: »

... unions with daedra.

Kinky...

SantieClaws · March 2016

Let this one tell you.

With enough booze to empty the cellars at the Rosy Lion almost anything is possible.

Santie will spare you the specifics on this occasion ...

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

RAGUNAnoOne · March 2016

Makes me wonder if the argonian Dives-For-Treasure mentioned in the loremasters archive portion of the site, would be able to have umm "hatchlings" with his err "partner". I shudder to think of what it would look like.

RAGUNAnoOne · March 2016

Oi I never noticed this was a necro...

Asherons_Call · March 2016

Bosmer. I'd hit it