Are the beast races able to cross breed with the other races of Tamriel?

AoEnwyr

Firstly, lets not get smutty with this. I am curious however if the beast races are able to cross breed with the other races of Tamriel.

I ask because there is an apparent relationship brewing between a Khajiit and Dunmer in Coldharbour and while they are both female it lead me to wonder if one was male would offspring would be possible.

Archaole

There is a short AD quest having to do with a bosmer and a khajit. Male and female so they can love each other at least. Not sure about the other part of that equation...

Liquid_Time

Pictures or it didn't happen.

Edit: Also, it appears your title has a typo ^^

Miflett

I'm pretty sure there are no half breeds in the Elder Scrolls universe. I think the way it works is that the race of a pairing is determined by the mother.

http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Notes_on_Racial_Phylogeny

Laura

Khajit and Argonians can cross breed.





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NadiusMaximus

Frog monkeys off of beerfest

Samadhi

After much analysis of living specimens, the Council long ago determined that all "races" of elves and humans may mate with each other and bear fertile offspring. Generally the offspring bear the racial traits of the mother, though some traces of the father's race may also be present. It is less clear whether the Argonians and Khajiit are interfertile with both humans and elves. Though there have been many reports throughout the Eras of children from these unions, as well as stories of unions with daedra, there have been no well documented offspring. Khajiit differ from humans and elves not only their skeletal and dermal physiology -- the “fur” that covers their bodies -- but their metabolism and digestion as well. Argonians, like the dreugh, appear to be a semi-aquatic troglophile form of humans, though it is by no means clear whether the Argonians should be classified with dreugh, men, mer, or (in this author's opinion), certain tree-dwelling lizards in Black Marsh.

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Racial_Phylogeny

It may be possible, but the outlook is not so good.

Liquid_Time

Laura wrote: »

Khajit and Argonians can cross breed.





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Thank you. This is the proof I required.

Cody

well...... it may be. but im not sure the non-open minded elder scrolls universe population, would... allow... such a thing

AoEnwyr

Liquid_Time wrote: »

Laura wrote: »

Khajit and Argonians can cross breed.





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Thank you. This is the proof I required.

Photoshop said it was so, and so it is. This is now lore.

LtCrunch

Miflett wrote: »

I'm pretty sure there are no half breeds in the Elder Scrolls universe. I think the way it works is that the race of a pairing is determined by the mother.

http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Notes_on_Racial_Phylogeny

Breton's are a "mongrel" race of mer and men.

Mud_Puppy

Laura wrote: »

Khajit and Argonians can cross breed.





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What in the actual...

Miflett

Brandalf wrote: »

Miflett wrote: »

I'm pretty sure there are no half breeds in the Elder Scrolls universe. I think the way it works is that the race of a pairing is determined by the mother.

http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Notes_on_Racial_Phylogeny

Breton's are a "mongrel" race of mer and men.

I guess I meant more in just physical terms, not blood.

Lynx7386

According to what little evidence there is in the lore/past games, men and elves can interbreed, but the child almost always carries the majority of physical traits from the mother.

There's no evidence of any children born from khajiit-men, khajiit-elf, argonian-men, or argonian-elf unions, but it is known that there are numerous cases of intercourse taking place between these races.

In ESO in particular there are quite a few situations where you find khajiit or argonians romantically (and, at least implied, sexually) involved with men or mer, or even each other. There's a male khajiit / female bosmer pair in grahtwood, the khajiit / dunmer pair in coldharbour, and more. Even darien gautier, at one point during coldharbour, suggests that his dreams usually involve more uninhibited argonian girls =P It should also be noted that ESO is the first game in the series that shows evidence of male-male and female-female relationships, and it doesnt seem all that uncommon here either.

Since ESO takes place roughly a thousand years before the other elder scrolls games, and those other games have far less homosexual or interracial relationships, it could be assumed that something happened between ESO's time period and the time frames of the other games in the series that changed the outlook on these relationships - perhaps a law established by one of the empires.

Nazon_Katts

IGN offered their insight on possible cross breeds some time ago...



You can read about the rest of their findings here:
http://m.ign.com/articles/2011/08/30/the-maybe-babies-of-skyrim

AoEnwyr

Lynx7386 wrote: »

According to what little evidence there is in the lore/past games, men and elves can interbreed, but the child almost always carries the majority of physical traits from the mother.

There's no evidence of any children born from khajiit-men, khajiit-elf, argonian-men, or argonian-elf unions, but it is known that there are numerous cases of intercourse taking place between these races.

In ESO in particular there are quite a few situations where you find khajiit or argonians romantically (and, at least implied, sexually) involved with men or mer, or even each other. There's a male khajiit / female bosmer pair in grahtwood, the khajiit / dunmer pair in coldharbour, and more. Even darien gautier, at one point during coldharbour, suggests that his dreams usually involve more uninhibited argonian girls =P It should also be noted that ESO is the first game in the series that shows evidence of male-male and female-female relationships, and it doesnt seem all that uncommon here either.

Since ESO takes place roughly a thousand years before the other elder scrolls games, and those other games have far less homosexual or interracial relationships, it could be assumed that something happened between ESO's time period and the time frames of the other games in the series that changed the outlook on these relationships - perhaps a law established by one of the empires.

Perhaps but I've never seen anything "anti homosexual" to indicate that anything has happened from ESO to Skyrim. I simply view it as a non issue, that people love whomever takes their fancy and therefore it's not really a point worthy of discussion in so much as "ohhh I think Dave there fancies the lads".

Rosveen

Samadhi wrote: »

After much analysis of living specimens, the Council long ago determined that all "races" of elves and humans may mate with each other and bear fertile offspring. Generally the offspring bear the racial traits of the mother, though some traces of the father's race may also be present. It is less clear whether the Argonians and Khajiit are interfertile with both humans and elves. Though there have been many reports throughout the Eras of children from these unions, as well as stories of unions with daedra, there have been no well documented offspring. Khajiit differ from humans and elves not only their skeletal and dermal physiology -- the “fur” that covers their bodies -- but their metabolism and digestion as well. Argonians, like the dreugh, appear to be a semi-aquatic troglophile form of humans, though it is by no means clear whether the Argonians should be classified with dreugh, men, mer, or (in this author's opinion), certain tree-dwelling lizards in Black Marsh.

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Racial_Phylogeny

It may be possible, but the outlook is not so good.

Keep in mind that the author has no proof of the existence of half-Orcs either, despite it being painfully obvious to us players that Orcs can breed with other mer and men. So I would take his assumptions with a bucket of salt, his knowledge is rudimentary at best.

AlienSlof

UlanX wrote: »

Perhaps but I've never seen anything "anti homosexual" to indicate that anything has happened from ESO to Skyrim. I simply view it as a non issue, that people love whomever takes their fancy and therefore it's not really a point worthy of discussion in so much as "ohhh I think Dave there fancies the lads".

^ This ^

In many of the ES games, same-sex relationships are hinted at - in Skyrim, no one bats an eye at two guys getting wed or two women getting wed. I guess it's just a normal and accepted part of daily life in Tamriel.

Blud

As an Argonian, I find OP's use of the term "beast" crude and offensive.

The term "beast" (used to indicate persons of any kind) should still not be used by or among well-informed and properly educated beings.

Stay moist and erect the spine of tolerance.

killer900226

Rosveen wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

After much analysis of living specimens, the Council long ago determined that all "races" of elves and humans may mate with each other and bear fertile offspring. Generally the offspring bear the racial traits of the mother, though some traces of the father's race may also be present. It is less clear whether the Argonians and Khajiit are interfertile with both humans and elves. Though there have been many reports throughout the Eras of children from these unions, as well as stories of unions with daedra, there have been no well documented offspring. Khajiit differ from humans and elves not only their skeletal and dermal physiology -- the “fur” that covers their bodies -- but their metabolism and digestion as well. Argonians, like the dreugh, appear to be a semi-aquatic troglophile form of humans, though it is by no means clear whether the Argonians should be classified with dreugh, men, mer, or (in this author's opinion), certain tree-dwelling lizards in Black Marsh.

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Racial_Phylogeny

It may be possible, but the outlook is not so good.

Keep in mind that the author has no proof of the existence of half-Orcs either, despite it being painfully obvious to us players that Orcs can breed with other mer and men. So I would take his assumptions with a bucket of salt, his knowledge is rudimentary at best.

the reason is that Orcs (or Orsimer) is classed as elfs and not as beast in the lore. atleast they kept some elvish traits after Trinimacs fall and eventual change into Malacath, wich also affected the elves devoted to his worship

AoEnwyr

Blud wrote: »

As an Argonian, I find OP's use of the term "beast" crude and offensive.

The term "beast" (used to indicate persons of any kind) should still not be used by or among well-informed and properly educated beings.

Stay moist and erect the spine of tolerance.

No offence intended my scaly friend, may you swim the river for many moons to come.

purple-magicb16_ESO

UlanX wrote: »

Firstly, lets not get smutty with this. I am curious however if the beast races are able to cross breed with the other races of Tamriel.

I ask because there is an apparent relationship brewing between a Khajiit and Dunmer in Coldharbour and while they are both female it lead me to wonder if one was male would offspring would be possible.

Let me paraphrase Tom Hanks: "There's no <sex> in <ESO>!". From surfing the forums tho apparently there is crying in ESO.

NEever seen a woman give birth in ESO. Not sure I'd want to see that. x-(

Fi'yra

Liquid_Time wrote: »

Pictures or it didn't happen.

Edit: Also, it appears your title has a typo ^^

there is no title mistake..

and yes, of course they would be able to breed.

Just like an argonian female would obviously be able to breed with a nord.

#Science.

Lynx7386

The term "beast" (used to indicate persons of any kind) should still not be used by or among well-informed and properly educated beings.

I think the technical term is usually "betmer" for khajiit and argonians (transaltes to "beast-mer" or beast-elves).

Just like an argonian female would obviously be able to breed with a nord.

Personally I'm of the opinion that offspring between the khajiit/argonians and the other races is probably not possible. Mating and intercourse, yes, but no children would result from the act.

At least, not without significant magical influence, and that's another speculation entirely. Khajiit are fundamentally different from men or mer, they come in 16 different varieties, some of which are man-like or elf-like but others of which are entirely bestial (such as the senche, which look just like tigers/lions, or the alfiq, which look like domestic housecats).

Argonians, similarly, have an entirely different method of reproduction involving egglaying, and other than that cosmic blunder known as the platypus no known mammal lays eggs.

If we extrapolate from real-world science, mammals of different types are incapable of reproducing with one another due to genetic differences. A cat and a dog, for example, cannot reproduce. Even a human and a primate such as a gorilla, chimpanzee, etc. are incapable of reproduction (though supposedly attempts at such may have caused the initial introduction of AIDS into the human populace). Birds and reptiles, despite being very similar in terms of evolution, are also not able to reproduce, and both of those can lay eggs.

All that said, it's logical to assume that khajiit are infertile with men or mer or argonians, and argonians are infertile with men or mer or khajiit. Similarly the imga, dreugh, or other bestial races are probably not capable of reproducing with any of the other races (be they men, mer, or betmer).



Now if you decided to include magical interference in the mix, maybe it could be possible.

Araflin

Khajiit / Argonian hybrid?

Isn't that Snarf from Thundercats?

isengrimb16_ESO

I would doubt it. Khajit, humans, elves, and Argonians should rightfully constitute 4 different species. Races can interbreed, species cannot.

reagen_lionel

Rosveen wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

After much analysis of living specimens, the Council long ago determined that all "races" of elves and humans may mate with each other and bear fertile offspring. Generally the offspring bear the racial traits of the mother, though some traces of the father's race may also be present. It is less clear whether the Argonians and Khajiit are interfertile with both humans and elves. Though there have been many reports throughout the Eras of children from these unions, as well as stories of unions with daedra, there have been no well documented offspring. Khajiit differ from humans and elves not only their skeletal and dermal physiology -- the “fur” that covers their bodies -- but their metabolism and digestion as well. Argonians, like the dreugh, appear to be a semi-aquatic troglophile form of humans, though it is by no means clear whether the Argonians should be classified with dreugh, men, mer, or (in this author's opinion), certain tree-dwelling lizards in Black Marsh.

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Racial_Phylogeny

It may be possible, but the outlook is not so good.

Keep in mind that the author has no proof of the existence of half-Orcs either, despite it being painfully obvious to us players that Orcs can breed with other mer and men. So I would take his assumptions with a bucket of salt, his knowledge is rudimentary at best.

Orcs are essentially Mer as well. So the same thing that applies to Mer applies to Orcs as well, only having the natural bonding to Malacath to them. There isnt really such a thing as half breeds between men and mer. Because they take most of the traits of who they mother may be. Even bretons got where they are from continued mating from these partial breeds of men and mer over and over. And the slightest distinction they have of elf is thier accute magical prowes and the very slightest point in thier ears that can easily be indistinguishable.

Essentially, breeding between men and mer, results in basically the race of one or the other and not really half breeds. As the inherited traits from the other is so small, its barely accountable.

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As for the topic of beast races and man/mer.
Offspring could be possible. But the actual chance is so low, its unlikely.
This is probably why they are considered races and not species. Because they can interbeed technically, but its so rare and these races dont really mate with each other all that often.

The result of these breeds its pretty unclear. Given that even mating between men and mer results in just the offspring being one or the other and not really a half breed. the result can be anything or simply follow the same ruleset for interbeeding with men and mer.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO

Lynx7386 wrote: »

The term "beast" (used to indicate persons of any kind) should still not be used by or among well-informed and properly educated beings.

I think the technical term is usually "betmer" for khajiit and argonians (transaltes to "beast-mer" or beast-elves).

Just like an argonian female would obviously be able to breed with a nord.

Personally I'm of the opinion that offspring between the khajiit/argonians and the other races is probably not possible. Mating and intercourse, yes, but no children would result from the act.

At least, not without significant magical influence, and that's another speculation entirely. Khajiit are fundamentally different from men or mer, they come in 16 different varieties, some of which are man-like or elf-like but others of which are entirely bestial (such as the senche, which look just like tigers/lions, or the alfiq, which look like domestic housecats).

Argonians, similarly, have an entirely different method of reproduction involving egglaying, and other than that cosmic blunder known as the platypus no known mammal lays eggs.

If we extrapolate from real-world science, mammals of different types are incapable of reproducing with one another due to genetic differences. A cat and a dog, for example, cannot reproduce. Even a human and a primate such as a gorilla, chimpanzee, etc. are incapable of reproduction (though supposedly attempts at such may have caused the initial introduction of AIDS into the human populace). Birds and reptiles, despite being very similar in terms of evolution, are also not able to reproduce, and both of those can lay eggs.

All that said, it's logical to assume that khajiit are infertile with men or mer or argonians, and argonians are infertile with men or mer or khajiit. Similarly the imga, dreugh, or other bestial races are probably not capable of reproducing with any of the other races (be they men, mer, or betmer).



Now if you decided to include magical interference in the mix, maybe it could be possible.

lol that is not how AIDs came about. Stop spreading misinformed garbage.

Nazon_Katts

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

Lynx7386 wrote: »

The term "beast" (used to indicate persons of any kind) should still not be used by or among well-informed and properly educated beings.

I think the technical term is usually "betmer" for khajiit and argonians (transaltes to "beast-mer" or beast-elves).

Just like an argonian female would obviously be able to breed with a nord.

Personally I'm of the opinion that offspring between the khajiit/argonians and the other races is probably not possible. Mating and intercourse, yes, but no children would result from the act.

At least, not without significant magical influence, and that's another speculation entirely. Khajiit are fundamentally different from men or mer, they come in 16 different varieties, some of which are man-like or elf-like but others of which are entirely bestial (such as the senche, which look just like tigers/lions, or the alfiq, which look like domestic housecats).

Argonians, similarly, have an entirely different method of reproduction involving egglaying, and other than that cosmic blunder known as the platypus no known mammal lays eggs.

If we extrapolate from real-world science, mammals of different types are incapable of reproducing with one another due to genetic differences. A cat and a dog, for example, cannot reproduce. Even a human and a primate such as a gorilla, chimpanzee, etc. are incapable of reproduction (though supposedly attempts at such may have caused the initial introduction of AIDS into the human populace). Birds and reptiles, despite being very similar in terms of evolution, are also not able to reproduce, and both of those can lay eggs.

All that said, it's logical to assume that khajiit are infertile with men or mer or argonians, and argonians are infertile with men or mer or khajiit. Similarly the imga, dreugh, or other bestial races are probably not capable of reproducing with any of the other races (be they men, mer, or betmer).



Now if you decided to include magical interference in the mix, maybe it could be possible.

lol that is not how AIDs came about. Stop spreading misinformed garbage.

Well, it's supposed to have had something to do with eating monkeys. Maybe he misread? Or did he?

Dekkameron

Liquid_Time wrote: »

Pictures or it didn't happen.

Edit: Also, it appears your title has a typo ^^

Elves can breed with humans so maybe it's not impossible. Although Khajiit/Argonians might be tricky.

(although Khajiit seem strangely fascinated with non-Khajiit females it seems)

Dekkameron

isengrimb16_ESO wrote: »

I would doubt it. Khajit, humans, elves, and Argonians should rightfully constitute 4 different species. Races can interbreed, species cannot.

Khajiit are actually about 10 seperate species depending on the alignment of the moons.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MteinMPdHP8