vakieh wrote: »

Also, everyone talking about the whole Amulet of Kings, Avatar of Akatosh situation needs to go replay Oblivion - becoming the Avatar DESTROYS THE AMULET. No way that's happening before its appointed time.

This is all theoretical in the first place.

If its the Last Dragonborn in this scenario, defiently you see the Nerevarine did it and well he is weaker then the Dragonborn because he has no special powers, (sure Nerevar has Corupus but the DB can be a Vampire Lord and that kind of gives the Dragonborn Immortality Just like Corprus, Disease Resisatnce Just Like Corpus, Poison Resistance Just...oh wait Corpus doesn't grant poison resistance anyway the dragonborn bested the more powerful World Eater anyway..so the question should be could the Nerevarine defeat the World Eater?

An endgame Dragonborn after Absorbing Miraak who is even older the tribunal and Mastering the form of the Vampire Lord would destroy any of the 3 in a 1 on 1 battle because they would essentially be the 4th era alternate mirror version of Dagoth Ur if they were like that where instead of being an Ash Vampire their a Blood Vampire Lord and instead of Having power originating from Lorkhan you have the Strongest Thu'um the world has ever known (look at those similarties) the greybeards can make the throat of the world shake with a whisper, Alduin can cause Meteors to rain from the sky, imagine what a post Dragonborn/Dawnguard/MainQuest Dragonborn could do at full power, their Thu'um could most likely cause earthquakes and cause entire towns and stone buildings to collapse just from the aftershock.

Also here is a Fact, gods in ES are not that much more powerful then high tier Mortals, otherwise it's impossible to explain how someone such as the Incarnate started off as a nobody and within a year got powerful enough to do battle with gods.

Now if your not talking oh so supremo Dragonborn of the 4th era, then what about Miraak? he may even stand a good chance at defeating 1 of the 3 in a 1 on 1 fight, Wullhearth might stand a good chance as well, Almalexia did summon him to help her defeat the Akaviri so its obvious his power is significant even next to hers.

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

If its the Last Dragonborn, defiently you see the Nerevarine did it and well he is weaker then the Dragonborn because he has no special powers, (sure Nerevar has Corupus but the DB can be a Vampire Lord and that kind of gives the Dragonborn Immortality Just like Corprus, Disease Resisatnce Just Like Corpus, Poison Resistance Just...oh wait Corpus doesn't grant poison resistance anyway the dragonborn bested the more powerful World Eater anyway..so the question should be could the Nerevarine defeat the World Eater?

An endgame Dragonborn after Absorbing Miraak who is even older the tribunal and Mastering the form of the Vampire Lord would destroy any of the 3 in a 1 on 1 battle because they would essentially be the 4th era alternate version of Dagoth Ur if they were like that where instead of being an Ash Vampire their a Vampire Lord and instead of Having power originating from Lorkhan you have the Strongest Thu'um the world has ever known.

Also here is a Fact, gods in ES are not that much more powerful then high tier Mortals, otherwise it's impossible to explain how someone such as the Incarnate started off as a nobody and within a year got powerful enough to do battle with gods.

Now if your not talking oh so supremo Dragonborn of the 4th era, then what about Miraak? he may even stand a good chance at defeating 1 of the 3 in a 1 on 1 fight, Wullhearth might stand a good chance as well, Almalexia did summon him to help her defeat the Akaviri so its obvious his power is significant even next to hers.

the world devourer, time destroyer, end of 1 time to start a new- alduin also a shard of akatosh and lorkhans role to stop time!was destroyed (halted) to only postpone the ending. kalpa.
all DBs and phrophosized beings die. any DB would decimate the 3. the power of the DB is greater then that of ALMSIVI with power coming from lorkhans heart.

Read again, red voters.

"During this time period"

of course not. i bet 1/100 of the power of heart of Lokhan is strong than a bless from akatosh.

citing a game as historic fact is not that convincing, considering Neverarine got killed by bugs, crabs, bears, and tiny bosses all the time.

It would depend on "Which Dragonborn" were talking about here.

If it was one of the lesser Dragonborn(Ancient Nord Heros) then yes the Tribunal would probably win.

However if were talking about Miirak or the Last Dragonborn its a completely different story.

The Last Dragonborn is more then just a "Shezzarine" he is an aspect of Talos...when he dies he will be the 4th and final piece that makes up the Oversoul of the being we know as Talos(Tiber Septim, Wulfharth, Zurin Arctus,) the Last Dragonborn will be the fourth and final piece that pretty cements Talos as the single most powerful entity in TES Universe(he already is before this, but his merging with the Last Dragonborn pretty much puts his power out of reach of anyone else period)

If you listen to the Greybeards after completing the Way of the Voice they tell you this

Lingrah krosis saraan Strundu'ul, voth nid balaan klov praan nau. - Long has the Stormcrown languished, with no worthy brow to sit upon.

Naal Thu'umu, mu ofan nii nu, Dovahkiin, naal suleyk do Kaan, naal suleyk do Shor, ahrk naal suleyk do Atmorasewuth. - By our breath we bestow it now to you in the name of Kyne, in the name of Shor, and in the name of Atmora of Old.

Meyz nu Ysmir, Dovahsebrom. Dahmaan daar rok. - You are Ysmir now, the Dragon of the North, hearken to it.

Only 3 people in History have ever been refered to as Ysmir:
1. Tiber Septim
2. Wulfharth
3. The Last Dragonborn

All part of the oversoul that makes up Talos, so The Last Dragonborn is indeed an Aspect or Avatar of Talos.Also, The Last Dragonborn is the only other person in history except Tiber Septim to not be turned to ash when spoken to by the Greybeards...even the Ash King himself was turned to Ash when he attempted this feat.

Both Talos and the The Last Dragonborn have a Red Dragon in their service.

Talos has Nafaalilargus
The Last Dragonborn has Odahviing

Red Dragons are 2nd in power only to Alduin himself

The Last Dragonborn also defeated Alduin, a feat nothing short of Talos could accomplish. I know folks say Akatosh this and that about the events of Skyrim, but did anyone really think that the new 9th Divine Talos was going to allow Akatosh's Son to destroy mankind. To Destroy a World and people he refer to as loving dearly (Listen to Heimskur speech and such, Talos "loved his people")

He loved them so much that he not only achieved CHIM but he used CHIM in conjunction with the Voice to shout Cyrodiil into the land it is in the 4th era(and in ESO) transforming it from a Jungle into what it is now and done so retroactively across the timeline even into the past.

CHIM is "The Secret Syllable of Royalty" that Why Talos says:

"I Breath now In Royalty and Reshape this Land which is mine! I do this for you Red Legions"

"CHIM. Those who know it can reshape the land. Witness the home of the Red King Once Jungled." — Commentaries on the Mysterium Xarxes, Book Three - Mankar Cameron

He uses CHIM in Conjunction with the Th'uum to literlaly shout Cyrodiil from a Jungle into the land it is in the 4th era and this change is retroactive across the timeline so he even changes the Cyrodiil of the past...its pretty crazy the power Talos was able to amass

The Last Dragonborn also gets access to the Dragon Aspect Shouts that put him on a completely different power level. This is not to mention the Bend Will Shout would allow the Last Dragonborn to control the minds of the Tribunal...the Tribunal may have "the Powers of a God" but they have the "the Minds of a Mortal"

This is not to mention the Last Dragonborn has the Master Undead unkillable dragon Durnevir whom he can summon out of the Soul Cairn at will and the power Red Dragon Odahviing.

Oh and the Last Dragonborn can also call forth the Ancient Nordic Heros Gormlaith Golden Hilt, Hakon One-Eye, and Felldir The Old from Sovengarde whom are very powerful in their own right to fight by his side as a gift from Shor....

The Tribunal would beat most Dragonborns, would probably just barely edge out Miirak, but they would be no match for an aspect of Talos like the Last Dragonborn.

The Bend Will shout would allow the LBD to take control of their minds, because unlike Talos who achieved CHIM and later actually ascended to divinity to actually transform and become a God, the Tribunal are simply using the Power of the Heart but still very much have the minds of a mere mortal. Vivec achieved CHIM too, but he never truly ascended like Talos does.

Doncellius wrote: »

There is no competition. Not even a little. AT ALL. Keep in mind that these three self-proclaimed gods DEFEATED Mehrunes Dagon when he came over to Nirn and destroyed Mournhold.

The reasons for a Dragonborn standing no chance have been posted numerous times in this thread, most importantly that Vivec, Almalexia and Sotha Sil have unlimited access to the Heart of Lorkhan using Kagrenac's Tools.

(Left) Keening, (Middle) Wraithguard, (Right) Sunder

The Three would make yearly pilgrimages to centre of Red Mountain, where they replenish their god-like powers by tapping into the Heart of Lorkhan. Once Dagoth Ur awoke and regained his strength, they stopped as he was too powerful.

In Morrowind you find a weakened, barely-manageable Vivec. Almalexia has lost her mind, doing anything she can to hold onto her leadership/divine strength. Sotha Sil was slaughtered by Almalexia. The Three had even erected the Ghostfence to keep Dagoth Ur, his ash vampires, and the storm secluded.

As you can see, a Dragonborn can certainly kill these Gods in TES3 like the Nerevarine. In ESO, there is no chance whatsoever though. Simple.

EDIT: This is all from what I remember. Pretty sure I am correct about everything here

The Dragonborn bested Alduin and the CoC Bested Jyggalag, pretty sure if he can beat Alduin he can beat the Tribunal, that's kind of like saying if you can defeat a lich you can defeat a zombie because as powerful as you think ALMISIVI is they are still nothing to the more powerful World Eater who the Dragonborn defeated and Alduin is no joke, he is the Nordic Aspect of Aka just like Akatosh is the Imperial Aspect of Aka just like Auriel is the Aldmeri Aspect of Aka, Alduin would be just as powerful as Akatosh, he is just the Nordic version of him.

I'm thinking that in ESO's current time period, the three living false gods would have more power than the dragonborn simply because they are still able to tap into the Heart of Lorkhan. The Dragonborn would have to be able to go to Red Mountain and destroy the heart of Lorkhan first, without the aid of Kagrenac's tools. Something not at all doable.

Keep in mind, Vivec has so much power, even in his weakened state during Morrowind he was still able to hold up that little moonlet over the city of Vivec.

Probably not Talos but any other Dragonborn including "The Last" and Miraak, yes. Also, don't compare the glory of Nerevar to the peasant soul sucker that is the Dragonborn in Skyrim.

I already killed em in like 2002-3 dood and I was just a regular old dunmer prisoner working for the Empire at the time. Lorkan's Heart got it too.

I'd say it would be circumstantial. But overall it would tilt toward the favor of the Three purely because they have a better handle on their borrowed divine power than a comparatively short lived Dragonborn who has but a tiny portion.

Heart of Lorkhan or not, the Three are still essentially mortal vessels. They have mortal minds, and mortal souls. And unlike 'true' gods, when they die they die for good.

The Dragonborn is a mortal of flesh and blood like anyone else, but is said to have the soul of a dragon (or blessed by Akatosh/made from the fabric of time, whatever) which essentially makes their soul akin to that of a lesser aedra. While only lightly touched upon, this 'soul' is implied to be part of why the Dragonborn is so resistant to certain usually-would-kill-mortals phenomena . With every thuum' they learn and comprehend, they gain and embody a tiny bit of primordial power that they can thence make reality temporarily.
But if that soul/power can match the power from the Heart of Lorkhan?

Most certainly not. Might come with a bit of resistance to the more subtle mind-working effects they may try to pull, but otherwise? No. But theoretically a dragonborn who has accumulated enough power from the thuum' , provided they had the years to accumulate it, may have a chance.

How dare you question vivec