Breton's passive "Magicka Mastery" should be 2/4/6% instead of 1/2/3%

Mimeq · February 2016

I think that 1/2/3% is a joke, what you think?

(This is the passive that reduces the cost of magicka of spells)

leepalmer95 · February 2016

Well considering high elf get 9% regen, should get 6% reduction.

Wearing 1 light armour = 4% regen and 3% reduction.

Wearing 2x LA is still less than the high elf bonus while 1 la is the same as the breton bonus.

Mimeq · February 2016

Yes we deserve this, come on guys we bretons are always behind high elves, where's our dignity? Let's call ZOS out

lolo_01b16_ESO · February 2016

I'd already be happy if they would change it so you actually get the reduction stated in the tooltip. Even when you have no other cost reduction than this passive, you get less than 3% from it. (Btw. this is true for most cost reductions in game and hasn't been fixed for nearly a year now).

RAGUNAnoOne · February 2016

Sure lets add further imbalance between good races and bad ones this is a great idea.

Fat_Cat45 · February 2016

2/3/4 also works

Azarath_tiberius · February 2016

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

I'd already be happy if they would change it so you actually get the reduction stated in the tooltip. Even when you have no other cost reduction than this passive, you get less than 3% from it. (Btw. this is true for most cost reductions in game and hasn't been fixed for nearly a year now).

There are diminishing returns for cost reduction (counting CP + LA passives), thats why it seems lower than what the tooltip states

EDIT: wait , you also had 0 points into the magician?

Emma_Overload · February 2016

People have been asking for this for a long time, but ZOS has never responded. If I'd had ANY idea at launch how much cost reduction was going to get nerfed while regen got buffed, I never would have rolled a Breton.

sagitter · February 2016

I don't have breton but seems fair. 2/2 , 4-6% , 3% is low.

Acrolas · February 2016

I'd rather have a 3/6/9% magicka cost reduction given to Argonians instead of the dodgy healing received buff, and instead give Bretons a 1x/2x/3x magicka restore when damaging an enemy with a ranged attack.

Mimeq · February 2016

Fat_Cat45 wrote: »

2/3/4 also works

No, it doesn't, 1% more? Lol...and also, if the first rank is 2%, it has to be 0/2/4/6% since the gap between ranks is always a regular number (in that case, 2) lol, 0/2/3/4 would not fit that logic, it's just wrong.

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

Sure lets add further imbalance between good races and bad ones this is a great idea.

What imbalance? 3% is a joke compared to the 9% regen that high elves has...also, as stated above by @leepalmer95, 1 light armor gives 4% regen and 3% cost reduction, it's only logical that we got 6% at least to be close to the 9% regen from high elf, since 2 pieces of light armor gives 8% regen and 6% cost reduction.

PhatGrimReaper · February 2016

YES PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Kammakazi · February 2016

6 CP = Breton's Passive at Max Level

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lolo_01b16_ESO · February 2016

Azarath_tiberius wrote: »

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

I'd already be happy if they would change it so you actually get the reduction stated in the tooltip. Even when you have no other cost reduction than this passive, you get less than 3% from it. (Btw. this is true for most cost reductions in game and hasn't been fixed for nearly a year now).

There are diminishing returns for cost reduction (counting CP + LA passives), thats why it seems lower than what the tooltip states

EDIT: wait , you also had 0 points into the magician?

Yes, just checked it again (had to respec anyway), to make sure. No cp in cost reduction, no other skillpoints spent, no gear equiped, v16 char.
Tested skills: Magelight, Purge, Siege Shield, Rushed Ceremony, Piercing Javelin
1% cost reduction passive reduces costs by 0.86 - 0.88%
2% cost reduction passive reduces costs by 1.72 - 1.74%
3% cost reduction passive reduces costs by 2.58 - 2.60%
As far as I know this happens for all percentage based cost reduction that you get from passives and armour sets, and affects both, magicka and stamina.

Fun fact, it also happens the other way round. If you have an effect that increases skill costs (like kena monster set) the cost increase is less than stated in the tooltip.

Mimeq · February 2016

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

Azarath_tiberius wrote: »

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

I'd already be happy if they would change it so you actually get the reduction stated in the tooltip. Even when you have no other cost reduction than this passive, you get less than 3% from it. (Btw. this is true for most cost reductions in game and hasn't been fixed for nearly a year now).

There are diminishing returns for cost reduction (counting CP + LA passives), thats why it seems lower than what the tooltip states

EDIT: wait , you also had 0 points into the magician?

Yes, just checked it again (had to respec anyway), to make sure. No cp in cost reduction, no other skillpoints spent, no gear equiped, v16 char.
Tested skills: Magelight, Purge, Siege Shield, Rushed Ceremony, Piercing Javelin
1% cost reduction passive reduces costs by 0.86 - 0.88%
2% cost reduction passive reduces costs by 1.72 - 1.74%
3% cost reduction passive reduces costs by 2.58 - 2.60%
As far as I know this happens for all percentage based cost reduction that you get from passives and armour sets, and affects both, magicka and stamina.

Fun fact, it also happens the other way round. If you have an effect that increases skill costs (like kena monster set) the cost increase is less than stated in the tooltip.

Oh, so it's also broken, great...I summon @ZOS_GinaBruno after this

acw37162 · February 2016

Do you have a compelling argument for making one the best races for using magic better or is this just a want?

lolo_01b16_ESO · February 2016

Mimeq wrote: »

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

Azarath_tiberius wrote: »

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

I'd already be happy if they would change it so you actually get the reduction stated in the tooltip. Even when you have no other cost reduction than this passive, you get less than 3% from it. (Btw. this is true for most cost reductions in game and hasn't been fixed for nearly a year now).

There are diminishing returns for cost reduction (counting CP + LA passives), thats why it seems lower than what the tooltip states

EDIT: wait , you also had 0 points into the magician?

Yes, just checked it again (had to respec anyway), to make sure. No cp in cost reduction, no other skillpoints spent, no gear equiped, v16 char.
Tested skills: Magelight, Purge, Siege Shield, Rushed Ceremony, Piercing Javelin
1% cost reduction passive reduces costs by 0.86 - 0.88%
2% cost reduction passive reduces costs by 1.72 - 1.74%
3% cost reduction passive reduces costs by 2.58 - 2.60%
As far as I know this happens for all percentage based cost reduction that you get from passives and armour sets, and affects both, magicka and stamina.

Fun fact, it also happens the other way round. If you have an effect that increases skill costs (like kena monster set) the cost increase is less than stated in the tooltip.

Oh, so it's also broken, great...I summon @ZOS_GinaBruno after this

Don't hope for too much, I reported it in every major patch since they broke it and nothing happened so far.

leepalmer95 · February 2016

acw37162 wrote: »

Do you have a compelling argument for making one the best races for using magic better or is this just a want?

Yeah, high elf is better in every way, better sustain, better dmg.

DschiPeunt · February 2016

No.

First, because Bretons are a good race and don't need a buff. That would increase the imbalance between the good and bad races even more.
Second, because the magicka regen buff increases the amount of magicka your character gets every 2 seconds. A lot of people have magicka regen below 900 and fire more than one spell every two seconds, let's just assume one per second. Also seeing that a lot of spells cost more than 1500 magicka, we end up with 3% reduction every second of a value >1500 for Bretons and an increase of a value <900 every 2 seconds for Altmer.
Quote from @Latter from his Magplar build on Tamriel Foundry:

Latter wrote:

High elf is what i went with, and is for this particular build the best choice, the bonus magicka will increase your damage, and the Elemental Talent passive will increase your attack damage with staffs, another viable choice is Breton, you would have a tiny bit more sustain but the damage would be slightly less, the difference is very minimal so its not a big deal.

This is an unnecessary buff.

leepalmer95 · February 2016

DschiPeunt wrote: »

No.

First, because Bretons are a good race and don't need a buff. That would increase the imbalance between the good and bad races even more.
Second, because the magicka regen buff increases the amount of magicka your character gets every 2 seconds. A lot of people have magicka regen below 900 and fire more than one spell every two seconds, let's just assume one per second. Also seeing that a lot of spells cost more than 1500 magicka, we end up with 3% reduction every second of a value >1500 for Bretons and an increase of a value <900 every 2 seconds for Altmer.
Quote from @Latter from his Magplar build on Tamriel Foundry:

Latter wrote:

High elf is what i went with, and is for this particular build the best choice, the bonus magicka will increase your damage, and the Elemental Talent passive will increase your attack damage with staffs, another viable choice is Breton, you would have a tiny bit more sustain but the damage would be slightly less, the difference is very minimal so its not a big deal.

This is an unnecessary buff.

No one in pvp has 900 regen.... You need 2k+.

lolo_01b16_ESO · February 2016

leepalmer95 wrote: »

DschiPeunt wrote: »

No.

First, because Bretons are a good race and don't need a buff. That would increase the imbalance between the good and bad races even more.
Second, because the magicka regen buff increases the amount of magicka your character gets every 2 seconds. A lot of people have magicka regen below 900 and fire more than one spell every two seconds, let's just assume one per second. Also seeing that a lot of spells cost more than 1500 magicka, we end up with 3% reduction every second of a value >1500 for Bretons and an increase of a value <900 every 2 seconds for Altmer.
Quote from @Latter from his Magplar build on Tamriel Foundry:

Latter wrote:

High elf is what i went with, and is for this particular build the best choice, the bonus magicka will increase your damage, and the Elemental Talent passive will increase your attack damage with staffs, another viable choice is Breton, you would have a tiny bit more sustain but the damage would be slightly less, the difference is very minimal so its not a big deal.

This is an unnecessary buff.

No one in pvp has 900 regen.... You need 2k+.

900 regen is more than enough for pve dps

but yes, for pvp altmer sustain is truely superior.

DschiPeunt · February 2016

leepalmer95 wrote: »

DschiPeunt wrote: »

No.

First, because Bretons are a good race and don't need a buff. That would increase the imbalance between the good and bad races even more.
Second, because the magicka regen buff increases the amount of magicka your character gets every 2 seconds. A lot of people have magicka regen below 900 and fire more than one spell every two seconds, let's just assume one per second. Also seeing that a lot of spells cost more than 1500 magicka, we end up with 3% reduction every second of a value >1500 for Bretons and an increase of a value <900 every 2 seconds for Altmer.
Quote from @Latter from his Magplar build on Tamriel Foundry:

Latter wrote:

High elf is what i went with, and is for this particular build the best choice, the bonus magicka will increase your damage, and the Elemental Talent passive will increase your attack damage with staffs, another viable choice is Breton, you would have a tiny bit more sustain but the damage would be slightly less, the difference is very minimal so its not a big deal.

This is an unnecessary buff.

No one in pvp has 900 regen.... You need 2k+.

I agree that PvP is of course different than PvE, because cost reduction and regeneration are much more taken into consideration. But I still think that from a sustain point-of-view Bretons and Altmer are pretty much on par. I haven't heard anybody tell me to pick Altmer for the sustain, but for the elemental damage bonus. If you want to make Bretons far superior to Altmer sustain-wise, this buff makes sense. But then my first argument is still valid: Bretons are already a good class and are second or third best choice in a lot of player guides. Other races need a buff more.

Anhedonie · February 2016

Its should be 7% magic damage, because *** you knife-ears.

code65536 · February 2016

DschiPeunt wrote: »

No.

First, because Bretons are a good race and don't need a buff. That would increase the imbalance between the good and bad races even more.

I see this type of argument a lot. But I don't understand the logic behind it.

First, buffing Breton to make it competitive with Altmer will not make Argonian, Nord, or the other "bad" races any less appealing than they already are. All it does is give a better alternative to people who would otherwise have gone Altmer. I.e., making Breton better is going to pull people away from Altmer, not from the races that people already don't care for.

Second, if your goal is to make all the races competitive, then you want to narrow the gap between races. Buffing Breton will narrow the Breton-Altmer gap, widen the Breton-Others gap, and do nothing to change the substantial Altmer-Others gap, and the real problem is there, in the Altmer-Others gap. Instead of arguing against a Breton buff, wouldn't it be much more productive to support a buff to Bretons and other races so that we narrow all the gaps?

kkravaritieb17_ESO · February 2016

I d rather have 5-7% spell damage buff instead of spell cost reduction

ElSlayer · February 2016

cuz i play breton

olsborg · February 2016

lets buff breton and nerf nord passive:)

mistermutiny89 · February 2016

I'd welcome this change! Love Bretons mainly because they look human and I've always played them in the Scrolls series. Either more sustain or 4% buff to all magic damage plus a buff to spell resistance as I believe that the current spell resistance does not scale well in late game.

For now though, Nords need stamina recovery and argonians require more attention too.

starkerealm · February 2016

mistermutiny89 wrote: »

I'd welcome this change! Love Bretons mainly because they look human and I've always played them in the Scrolls series.

Which is kinda ironic, since they're the half-elf option. The Nords, Imperials, and Redguards are the actual "human" races. The Bretons are the result of the Nedic and Aldmer intermarrying, as I recall.

I mean, to be fair, that was my motivation originally too. And it didn't hurt that they were the visually most attractive race in Morrowind (before mods). (Which isn't saying much, unfortunately.)

Alorier · February 2016

Sorry but there are races that need buff way before Bretons

Shader_Shibes · February 2016

davidtxr wrote: »

Sorry but there are races that need buff way before Bretons

True, but 3% cost reduction is virtually unnoticeable
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ZOS really should dedicate some time to racial passives, but alas, they are too focused of crown store guff, and pumping out half assed, buggy dlc's.