Official Feedback Thread for Maw of Lorkhaj

EgoRush · February 2016

Woeler wrote: »

EgoRush wrote: »

helediron wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

Sounds like you are not blocking @helediron

But i WAS blocking. My shield was up, and i checked it afterwards from video. I wasn't swapping weapon either.

@Woeler and @Personofsecrets, if he had Shattered armour then his armour value was reduced to zero. Irrespective of blocking he can be one-shot by this mechanic. This is why we have 2 tanks throughout now on trash to specific adds between tanks when the Shattered debuff is placed.

So yes, Helediron, it's a mechanic.

But he is talking about the first boss. While he has some kind of armor debuff mechanic, it definitely does not go to 0 (at least for my intuition). If it does, then well, I haven't noticed.

I'm under the impression this occurs for the first boss too. The Shattered debuff actually works differently from the 2H adds on trash to the first boss and last boss, but amounts to the same if you aren't careful in how you deal with it.

EDIT: we're actually not sure if ZOS intended the Shattered debuff to work differently on adds versus the boss, so this may be a bug? I'll check with ZOS next time we catch them in TS.

Personofsecrets · February 2016

@helediron @EgoRush

I wonder why you are experiencing this issue because I and other tanks on the team have not had a problem being damaged too much by the first boss while our armor is shattered. My group doesn't even trade off aggro now - I just tank the whole fight and roll to the platform when I need to cleanse.

That is why I say that you may not have been blocking, but if you are certain that you did not drop block for some reason, and that can happen, then I think that you are experiencing unusually high damage due to a game error. Maybe the server connection is causing you to take multiple hits at the same time.

EgoRush · February 2016

Personofsecrets wrote: »

@helediron @EgoRush

I wonder why you are experiencing this issue because I and other tanks on the team have not had a problem being damaged too much by the first boss while our armor is shattered. My group doesn't even trade off aggro now - I just tank the whole fight and roll to the platform when I need to cleanse.

That is why I say that you may not have been blocking, but if you are certain that you did not drop block for some reason, and that can happen, then I think that you are experiencing unusually high damage due to a game error. Maybe the server connection is causing you to take multiple hits at the same time.

Could depend on the gear. There was that gearset giving 40% damage reduction for all incoming damage (when it should have only been traps). Though this has been fixed. The debuff lasts 15 seconds iirc, so it may be that the debuff wore off during your battles before the boss did an attack that could 1 shot. Though, I don't think we've had any one-shot kills on the first boss either, so I'm inclined to think the shattered armour isn't as potent there too. *Shrug* there's still a few things being figured out.

At worst, call bug!

Woeler · February 2016

I have never gotten any excessive damage while tanking that first boss, even when the armour shatter is active. Pretty sure it works differently. To be honest the difference between shatter and non-shatter on the first boss is quite... unremarkable.

EgoRush · February 2016

Woeler wrote: »

I have never gotten any excessive damage while tanking that first boss, even when the armour shatter is active. Pretty sure it works differently. To be honest the difference between shatter and non-shatter on the first boss is quite... unremarkable.

On the final boss? As in you're coping with the damage fine post-Shatter there too? Perhaps it's a L2P issue for our tanks :P I blame @Xantaria.

But yes, the shatter works differently between bosses and trash fights.

Cinbri · February 2016

Any guild completed vMoL?

Erondil · February 2016

Cinbri wrote: »

Any guild completed vMoL?

Still looking for a pic of the dye?

Don't think so

Cinbri · February 2016

Erondil wrote: »

Cinbri wrote: »

Any guild completed vMoL?

Still looking for a pic of the dye? Don't think so

No, pic of dro-m'athra skin

Kyoma · February 2016

Cinbri wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

Cinbri wrote: »

Any guild completed vMoL?

Still looking for a pic of the dye? Don't think so

No, pic of dro-m'athra skin

Just ask Hodor nicely to do it on v1

Woeler · February 2016

EgoRush wrote: »

On the final boss? As in you're coping with the damage fine post-Shatter there too? Perhaps it's a L2P issue for our tanks :P I blame @Xantaria.

But yes, the shatter works differently between bosses and trash fights.

Woeler wrote: »

I have never gotten any excessive damage while tanking that first boss, even when the armour shatter is active. Pretty sure it works differently. To be honest the difference between shatter and non-shatter on the first boss is quite... unremarkable.

Woeler · February 2016

Cinbri wrote: »

Any guild completed vMoL?

That last boss is not going to die on PTS before that trial goes live, at least not on V16.

helediron · February 2016

Woeler wrote: »

EgoRush wrote: »

On the final boss? As in you're coping with the damage fine post-Shatter there too? Perhaps it's a L2P issue for our tanks :P I blame @Xantaria.

But yes, the shatter works differently between bosses and trash fights.

Woeler wrote: »

I have never gotten any excessive damage while tanking that first boss, even when the armour shatter is active. Pretty sure it works differently. To be honest the difference between shatter and non-shatter on the first boss is quite... unremarkable.

What i wonder, could the Shatter behave differently between magicka nightblade with Armour Master vs. DK with DK mitigation plus Footman mitigation? We had two tanks, the other was DK, and didn't receive those big hits.

Thelon · February 2016

Woeler wrote: »

That last boss is not going to die on PTS before that trial goes live, at least not on V16.

GeertKarel · February 2016

The first boss of the trial can be quite boring if you have two tanks. one tank is always doing nothing but spamming some useless skills.

I would rather see like on the last boss, where the tanks have to swap the first boss to avoid getting your armor shattered.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_Finn

Xantaria · February 2016

EgoRush wrote: »

Woeler wrote: »

I have never gotten any excessive damage while tanking that first boss, even when the armour shatter is active. Pretty sure it works differently. To be honest the difference between shatter and non-shatter on the first boss is quite... unremarkable.

On the final boss? As in you're coping with the damage fine post-Shatter there too? Perhaps it's a L2P issue for our tanks :P I blame @Xantaria.

But yes, the shatter works differently between bosses and trash fights.

No it's always the same. And it's just zero armour, blocking still works so w/e can just ignore the debuff in all bossfights.

EgoRush · February 2016

Last boss can be cleared on PTS I think. We nearly finished 1 full cycle on the boss our second night attempting it. Provided things don't escalate much per cycle it's a simple case of repeating that 7-9 times depending on our DPS (once executable it will go much faster).

I've thought up some better positioning that we'll try next Tuesday and see what we can manage.

I'll agree that Hard Mode won't be cleared on PTS. I haven't thought up the best way to deal with that mechanic yet

Woeler · February 2016

EgoRush wrote: »

Last boss can be cleared on PTS I think. We nearly finished 1 full cycle on the boss our second night attempting it. Provided things don't escalate much per cycle it's a simple case of repeating that 7-9 times depending on our DPS (once executable it will go much faster).

I've thought up some better positioning that we'll try next Tuesday and see what we can manage.

I'll agree that Hard Mode won't be cleared on PTS. I haven't thought up the best way to deal with that mechanic yet

Wanna bet for 2 crawlers and 7 gold?

Kyoma · February 2016

Woeler wrote: »

EgoRush wrote: »

Last boss can be cleared on PTS I think. We nearly finished 1 full cycle on the boss our second night attempting it. Provided things don't escalate much per cycle it's a simple case of repeating that 7-9 times depending on our DPS (once executable it will go much faster).

I've thought up some better positioning that we'll try next Tuesday and see what we can manage.

I'll agree that Hard Mode won't be cleared on PTS. I haven't thought up the best way to deal with that mechanic yet

Wanna bet for 2 crawlers and 7 gold?

I'll join that bet and raise it with 4 worms and a legendary fish.

Woeler · February 2016

Kyoma wrote: »

Woeler wrote: »

EgoRush wrote: »

Last boss can be cleared on PTS I think. We nearly finished 1 full cycle on the boss our second night attempting it. Provided things don't escalate much per cycle it's a simple case of repeating that 7-9 times depending on our DPS (once executable it will go much faster).

I've thought up some better positioning that we'll try next Tuesday and see what we can manage.

I'll agree that Hard Mode won't be cleared on PTS. I haven't thought up the best way to deal with that mechanic yet

Wanna bet for 2 crawlers and 7 gold?

I'll join that bet and raise it with 4 worms and a legendary fish.

Wowowow Kyoma, we ain't all rich you know! Jeez!

EgoRush · February 2016

Woeler wrote: »

EgoRush wrote: »

Last boss can be cleared on PTS I think. We nearly finished 1 full cycle on the boss our second night attempting it. Provided things don't escalate much per cycle it's a simple case of repeating that 7-9 times depending on our DPS (once executable it will go much faster).

I've thought up some better positioning that we'll try next Tuesday and see what we can manage.

I'll agree that Hard Mode won't be cleared on PTS. I haven't thought up the best way to deal with that mechanic yet

Wanna bet for 2 crawlers and 7 gold?

Kyoma wrote: »

Woeler wrote: »

EgoRush wrote: »

Last boss can be cleared on PTS I think. We nearly finished 1 full cycle on the boss our second night attempting it. Provided things don't escalate much per cycle it's a simple case of repeating that 7-9 times depending on our DPS (once executable it will go much faster).

I've thought up some better positioning that we'll try next Tuesday and see what we can manage.

I'll agree that Hard Mode won't be cleared on PTS. I haven't thought up the best way to deal with that mechanic yet

Wanna bet for 2 crawlers and 7 gold?

I'll join that bet and raise it with 4 worms and a legendary fish.

You're both on. I've already designed a whole new tactic. Want a clue: slow and steady wins the race :P too slow and you'll die, too fast and you'll run into other problems...neither the hare or the rabbit wins this race.

Kyoma · February 2016

EgoRush wrote: »

Woeler wrote: »

EgoRush wrote: »

Last boss can be cleared on PTS I think. We nearly finished 1 full cycle on the boss our second night attempting it. Provided things don't escalate much per cycle it's a simple case of repeating that 7-9 times depending on our DPS (once executable it will go much faster).

I've thought up some better positioning that we'll try next Tuesday and see what we can manage.

I'll agree that Hard Mode won't be cleared on PTS. I haven't thought up the best way to deal with that mechanic yet

Wanna bet for 2 crawlers and 7 gold?

Kyoma wrote: »

Woeler wrote: »

EgoRush wrote: »

Last boss can be cleared on PTS I think. We nearly finished 1 full cycle on the boss our second night attempting it. Provided things don't escalate much per cycle it's a simple case of repeating that 7-9 times depending on our DPS (once executable it will go much faster).

I've thought up some better positioning that we'll try next Tuesday and see what we can manage.

I'll agree that Hard Mode won't be cleared on PTS. I haven't thought up the best way to deal with that mechanic yet

Wanna bet for 2 crawlers and 7 gold?

I'll join that bet and raise it with 4 worms and a legendary fish.

You're both on. I've already designed a whole new tactic. Want a clue: slow and steady wins the race :P too slow and you'll die, too fast and you'll run into other problems...neither the hare or the rabbit wins this race.

Does this tactic involve crawlers & worms?

Fecius · February 2016

Kyoma wrote: »

EgoRush wrote: »

Woeler wrote: »

EgoRush wrote: »

Last boss can be cleared on PTS I think. We nearly finished 1 full cycle on the boss our second night attempting it. Provided things don't escalate much per cycle it's a simple case of repeating that 7-9 times depending on our DPS (once executable it will go much faster).

I've thought up some better positioning that we'll try next Tuesday and see what we can manage.

I'll agree that Hard Mode won't be cleared on PTS. I haven't thought up the best way to deal with that mechanic yet

Wanna bet for 2 crawlers and 7 gold?

Kyoma wrote: »

Woeler wrote: »

EgoRush wrote: »

Last boss can be cleared on PTS I think. We nearly finished 1 full cycle on the boss our second night attempting it. Provided things don't escalate much per cycle it's a simple case of repeating that 7-9 times depending on our DPS (once executable it will go much faster).

I've thought up some better positioning that we'll try next Tuesday and see what we can manage.

I'll agree that Hard Mode won't be cleared on PTS. I haven't thought up the best way to deal with that mechanic yet

Wanna bet for 2 crawlers and 7 gold?

I'll join that bet and raise it with 4 worms and a legendary fish.

You're both on. I've already designed a whole new tactic. Want a clue: slow and steady wins the race :P too slow and you'll die, too fast and you'll run into other problems...neither the hare or the rabbit wins this race.

Does this tactic involve crawlers & worms?

Using them on dead boss corpse will reveal new fancy loot after they eat all flesh.

ZOS_Finn · February 2016

EgoRush wrote: »

Woeler wrote: »

EgoRush wrote: »

helediron wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

Sounds like you are not blocking @helediron

But i WAS blocking. My shield was up, and i checked it afterwards from video. I wasn't swapping weapon either.

@Woeler and @Personofsecrets, if he had Shattered armour then his armour value was reduced to zero. Irrespective of blocking he can be one-shot by this mechanic. This is why we have 2 tanks throughout now on trash to specific adds between tanks when the Shattered debuff is placed.

So yes, Helediron, it's a mechanic.

But he is talking about the first boss. While he has some kind of armor debuff mechanic, it definitely does not go to 0 (at least for my intuition). If it does, then well, I haven't noticed.

I'm under the impression this occurs for the first boss too. The Shattered debuff actually works differently from the 2H adds on trash to the first boss and last boss, but amounts to the same if you aren't careful in how you deal with it.

EDIT: we're actually not sure if ZOS intended the Shattered debuff to work differently on adds versus the boss, so this may be a bug? I'll check with ZOS next time we catch them in TS.

Regarding the Shatter debuff: It should work the same on Zhaj'hassa and the Savages. Whenever you see that Action Combat Text of "Armor Shattered" it should be the same effect.

We are glad to see that a lot of the crash problems seem to have been resolved.

GeertKarel · February 2016

@zos_finn, could you please make the first boss harder then it is now, since if we are running the whole dungeon with two tanks.. its basically 1 tank that is just doing no thing but providing a bit of heals.

My suggestion: let the boss do a debuff similair as the two-hander so the tanks have to at least do something interesting.

Or maybe that the boss puts a curse on to the tank, if he stands close to the boss that the tank will heal the boss, so the other tank has to take over and the tank with the curse on him has to stand away from the boss for a certain amount of time.

Or maybe you guys could figure something out to make that boss a bit more interesting.

Woeler · February 2016

GeertKarel wrote: »

@zos_finn, could you please make the first boss harder then it is now, since if we are running the whole dungeon with two tanks.. its basically 1 tank that is just doing no thing but providing a bit of heals.

My suggestion: let the boss do a debuff similair as the two-hander so the tanks have to at least do something interesting.

Or maybe that the boss puts a curse on to the tank, if he stands close to the boss that the tank will heal the boss, so the other tank has to take over and the tank with the curse on him has to stand away from the boss for a certain amount of time.

Or maybe you guys could figure something out to make that boss a bit more interesting.

Honestly, it's not going to be fun for the 50% of the fight you are basically doing nothing as the tank who has not got aggro.

caperon · February 2016

GeertKarel wrote: »

@zos_finn, could you please make the first boss harder then it is now, since if we are running the whole dungeon with two tanks.. its basically 1 tank that is just doing no thing but providing a bit of heals.

My suggestion: let the boss do a debuff similair as the two-hander so the tanks have to at least do something interesting.

Or maybe that the boss puts a curse on to the tank, if he stands close to the boss that the tank will heal the boss, so the other tank has to take over and the tank with the curse on him has to stand away from the boss for a certain amount of time.

Or maybe you guys could figure something out to make that boss a bit more interesting.

I think is just easier have the tank change to dps gear and dps the boss. Im pretty sure any tank going to MoL will have a dps set. You wont be the most efctive dps, butwilldomore than run around.

EgoRush · February 2016

Kyoma wrote: »

EgoRush wrote: »

Woeler wrote: »

EgoRush wrote: »

Last boss can be cleared on PTS I think. We nearly finished 1 full cycle on the boss our second night attempting it. Provided things don't escalate much per cycle it's a simple case of repeating that 7-9 times depending on our DPS (once executable it will go much faster).

I've thought up some better positioning that we'll try next Tuesday and see what we can manage.

I'll agree that Hard Mode won't be cleared on PTS. I haven't thought up the best way to deal with that mechanic yet

Wanna bet for 2 crawlers and 7 gold?

Kyoma wrote: »

Woeler wrote: »

EgoRush wrote: »

Last boss can be cleared on PTS I think. We nearly finished 1 full cycle on the boss our second night attempting it. Provided things don't escalate much per cycle it's a simple case of repeating that 7-9 times depending on our DPS (once executable it will go much faster).

I've thought up some better positioning that we'll try next Tuesday and see what we can manage.

I'll agree that Hard Mode won't be cleared on PTS. I haven't thought up the best way to deal with that mechanic yet

Wanna bet for 2 crawlers and 7 gold?

I'll join that bet and raise it with 4 worms and a legendary fish.

You're both on. I've already designed a whole new tactic. Want a clue: slow and steady wins the race :P too slow and you'll die, too fast and you'll run into other problems...neither the hare or the rabbit wins this race.

Does this tactic involve crawlers & worms?

I wish it was that easy...you need Perfect Roe too.

Unfortunately I am offline until Monday now and I'm unsure if the PTS is still active (lost track of the dates lately...). I'm confident it can be done with our new tactic - we just need to test a couple of things first. So hopefully Monday/Tuesday we'll give it a good go. Either way, the tactic will work better than what we're currently doing for when it goes live.

YoloWizard · February 2016

@ZOS_Finn Yeah good job on fixing the crashes, but we also ran into another issue (some of us). I used to have around 30 fps on fights. Now it goes down to 10-15 fps which also makes it unplayable

Wollust · February 2016

Buff the first boss please. The DPS requirement to finish it is too low imo

Ra'Shtar · February 2016

Wollust wrote: »

Buff the first boss please. The DPS requirement to finish it is too low imo

Why everyone always goes with dps? why not buff the damage in mechanics or something holy *** make things fun for healers too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!