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Bots are a GOOD THING.
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AlexDougherty✭✭✭✭✭
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That's stupid, incredibly stupid.TLDR: Gold farming in ESO shows that the currency is valued and that people are willing to spend money *outside of their subscription cost* to support the game.
Buying gold does not support the game.
And bots are never a good sign.People believe what they either want to be true or what they are afraid is true!
Wizard's first rule
Passion rules reason
Wizard's third rule
Mind what people Do, not what they say, for actions betray a lie.
Wizard's fifth rule
Willfully turning aside from the truth is treason to one's self
Wizard's tenth rule4 -
nerevarine1138✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭alanspurlock_ESO wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »alanspurlock_ESO wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »alanspurlock_ESO wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »Don't go to those sites unless you feel like dealing with having your account compromised. Honestly, people. And you wonder why gold-sellers seem to have an endless stream of accounts?
wait.. so you actually believe, that if you just visit the site and then leave, then they have your eso account info?
I know that sites like that are loaded with malware, and I know that there were countless Blizzard accounts compromised in instances where people only visited a site and ended up with a keylogger. The real question is whether you're actually naive enough to believe that phishing is the only way they can get your info.
You know?
Sources of a article stating that a ad could actually install a keylogger?
Look up Javascript and Flash vulnerability. Look at the WoW CS forums. Look pretty much anywhere that tells you about how malware works. You do not need to click an installation button to get your system infected.
Well I know that lol. I would hope my 4 year daughter know what too.
But malware.. that can install a keylogger.. which actually needs to pigyback off a exe and install dll's to run the functions to record, then email back to the hacker.... seems far fetched.
I don't know. Never needed to look into these things in the past.. 10 years lol. Used to have fun with sub7 back in the day, but I thought it was nearly impossible to install loggers without being piggyed on a exe or at least opening some sort of file.
Not anymore. There was a flash vulnerability a few years ago that resulted in account compromises for people who had gone to pretty much any site with a flash banner ad (so every site in the internet).----
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vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »alanspurlock_ESO wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »Don't go to those sites unless you feel like dealing with having your account compromised. Honestly, people. And you wonder why gold-sellers seem to have an endless stream of accounts?
wait.. so you actually believe, that if you just visit the site and then leave, then they have your eso account info?
I know that sites like that are loaded with malware, and I know that there were countless Blizzard accounts compromised in instances where people only visited a site and ended up with a keylogger. The real question is whether you're actually naive enough to believe that phishing is the only way they can get your info.
Not trying to rain on your parade, because like you i would not venture onto a site knowing that they had bad intentions. Even if i knew i was safe. But it is also silly to call someone naive when you seem to believe that countless blizzard accounts were compromised by just going there. Yeah i remember the post. I didn't click anything, i never bought gold, he is my friend he wouldn't lie to me.
It has always been funny to me, people always say i wish people that do this stuff would get what is coming to them. But when a friend or guildmate gets what is coming to them, oh no, I know them, they would never!! Yes yes they would.
Ikr? The whole "naive" thing was a little.... un needed.
Technical Artist for Skill Check. Creator of The Legend of Kilgore MMO and Pocket Survival.
Yes..... I can one man an mmorpg dev team :P0 -
frwinters_ESO✭✭✭✭So im paying 15 bucks a month so people in other countries can make minimum wage to interrupt my gaming experience? No its not a good thing. They can get real jobs like washing cars or join the military.1 -
frwinters_ESO wrote: »So im paying 15 bucks a month so people in other countries can make minimum wage to interrupt my gaming experience? No its not a good thing. They can get real jobs like washing cars or join the military.
Holy... I've been trying to rant that for so long now.
"Why did you join the military? To Protect our freedom?"
"SIR NO SIR. RECRUIT NEEDED A JOB SIR!"
Actual words I said to my DI when in boot.
Edited by alanspurlock_ESO on May 19, 2014 8:25PMTechnical Artist for Skill Check. Creator of The Legend of Kilgore MMO and Pocket Survival.
Yes..... I can one man an mmorpg dev team :P1 -
Chirru✭✭✭✭To the person writing the original post,
It would be easy for me to dispute...what do I say... to tear to shreds...what you wrote. However, your literary effort is not worth the time investment, because I think the foolishness of your arguments is obvious.
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vyndral13preub18_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭alanspurlock_ESO wrote: »frwinters_ESO wrote: »So im paying 15 bucks a month so people in other countries can make minimum wage to interrupt my gaming experience? No its not a good thing. They can get real jobs like washing cars or join the military.
Holy... I've been trying to rant that for so long now.
"Why did you join the military? To Protect our freedom?"
"SIR NO SIR. RECRUIT NEEDED A JOB SIR!"
Actual words I said to my DI when in boot.
Violence scares me. To bad the military doesn't have any warm snuggly jobs.0 -
vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »alanspurlock_ESO wrote: »frwinters_ESO wrote: »So im paying 15 bucks a month so people in other countries can make minimum wage to interrupt my gaming experience? No its not a good thing. They can get real jobs like washing cars or join the military.
Holy... I've been trying to rant that for so long now.
"Why did you join the military? To Protect our freedom?"
"SIR NO SIR. RECRUIT NEEDED A JOB SIR!"
Actual words I said to my DI when in boot.
Violence scares me. To bad the military doesn't have any warm snuggly jobs.
Yup. Thats why we have NO skills in ANY job once we get out.Technical Artist for Skill Check. Creator of The Legend of Kilgore MMO and Pocket Survival.
Yes..... I can one man an mmorpg dev team :P0 -
dennissomb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭I simply assumed the OP was bored and making a post simply to be funny and see what kind of reaction he could get. Under his logic drug cartels are good because they have huge operations and they only effect some people, etc. I guess he was successful to a point lol0
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OrangeTheCat✭✭✭✭✭
✭I was in one dungeon (Roots of Sylvenar) and the bots were running laps around the circular route of the dungeon. I just followed along letting them clear my way to what I was going for. So that was sorta cool I guess. The only positive thing I can say about them though.1 -
DenverRalphy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Aside from the few posts around how seeing a bot ruins immersion or ones ability to craft (I'm sorry, there are more than enough non camped nodes out there), I have to say that I am happy the companies behind them have gone through such effort:
Now look at the games they are selling gold for. Generally, all of the top names are there - now including ESO. Here is why this is a positive marker for the games success:
These gold selling companies are entire offshore teams paid a minimum wage to harvest gold in the most efficient way possible. Below is a GREAT expose on the life of a gold farmer:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/17/magazine/17lootfarmers-t.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
That all being said, economic factors come into play when running a gold farming company - namely, 'opportunity cost.'
Opportunity cost means the amount of $ you could have made if your time was spent doing something else. Eg:
10 hours of WoW = $50
10 hours of ESO = $60
These companies have to make money with their farming endeavors or else they would rather spend that time farming in another game.
TLDR: Gold farming in ESO shows that the currency is valued and that people are willing to spend money *outside of their subscription cost* to support the game.
Sorry, but if you honestly want to pass this off as positive... you're just a gold seller yourself trying to justify your garbage.
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AlexDougherty✭✭✭✭✭
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Indeed.People believe what they either want to be true or what they are afraid is true!
Wizard's first rule
Passion rules reason
Wizard's third rule
Mind what people Do, not what they say, for actions betray a lie.
Wizard's fifth rule
Willfully turning aside from the truth is treason to one's self
Wizard's tenth rule0 -
Naisho✭It sounds like Denial-Anger-Bargaining-Depression-Acceptance to me.
But it's not life and death question it's whether bots will owerwelm and kill the game. I think it's "bargaining" phase.0 -
Syzmicke✭✭✭Yeah bots are good thing lets all run them the ZOS wont have to bother trying to clean them up.
that way they still get our sub money and everyone happy NOT.
Edited by Syzmicke on May 19, 2014 9:10PM0 -
AlexDougherty✭✭✭✭✭
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Nope, it's outright refusal to see bots as anything other than a plague.It sounds like Denial-Anger-Bargaining-Depression-Acceptance to me.
But it's not life and death question it's whether bots will owerwelm and kill the game. I think it's "bargaining" phase.
Mostly because they are nothing but a plague.
The Denial-Anger-Bargaining-Depression-Acceptance only applies when a lose has occured, so please spare us your pop psychology, particularly bad pop psychology.People believe what they either want to be true or what they are afraid is true!
Wizard's first rule
Passion rules reason
Wizard's third rule
Mind what people Do, not what they say, for actions betray a lie.
Wizard's fifth rule
Willfully turning aside from the truth is treason to one's self
Wizard's tenth rule0 -
Vorkk8383✭✭✭Is this a troll post? I don't care if having bots means that the currency is valued by players. It is in most MMO's. They are stealing items and we have a hard time getting them. They are in dungeons killing almost the entire place. It's so much fun to do a dungeon and have 90% of the mobs perma-dead... They are killing mobs that we need to kill to get quest updates/items. I'm sorry but if you think that bots are a good thing, you need to have your head checked. Or you're just a bot trying to justify your ''job''1
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ElliottXO✭✭✭✭✭There are no opportunity costs for earning ESO gold, since it's 100% bot work. Your link is showing a legit farmer. The comparison is wrong on so many levels.
Most stupid thread I've seen so far.0 -
Thorntongue✭✭✭Aside from the few posts around how seeing a bot ruins immersion or ones ability to craft (I'm sorry, there are more than enough non camped nodes out there), I have to say that I am happy the companies behind them have gone through such effort:
Now look at the games they are selling gold for. Generally, all of the top names are there - now including ESO. Here is why this is a positive marker for the games success:
These gold selling companies are entire offshore teams paid a minimum wage to harvest gold in the most efficient way possible. Below is a GREAT expose on the life of a gold farmer:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/17/magazine/17lootfarmers-t.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
That all being said, economic factors come into play when running a gold farming company - namely, 'opportunity cost.'
Opportunity cost means the amount of $ you could have made if your time was spent doing something else. Eg:
10 hours of WoW = $50
10 hours of ESO = $60
These companies have to make money with their farming endeavors or else they would rather spend that time farming in another game.
TLDR: Gold farming in ESO shows that the currency is valued and that people are willing to spend money *outside of their subscription cost* to support the game.
So how many bot accounts are you running? How many people do you gave chained up in that high rise office feeding them gruel every 12 hours?
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Volkodav✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭huh?
it would be more palatable if the botters didnt cover the landscape with their scripts, interupt regular players ability to quest, get credit for dungeon and other things and not have to compete with lazy pathetic players in bought top gear and levels.
i dont know why i even responded, obviously a spam to get people to go to their website.
*** off
Bots have never bothered me.I have never even see none.Having said that,I dont like cheating in any form,and bots are a cheat.Period.0 -
Eiagra✭✭✭✭✭One heck of a necro'd post. Can we get a lock on this? Legitimate players don't need to be pulled into a year-old argument on what is obviously support for a ToS violation.██████ █████████ ███████ In verity.4 -
Oldmanlawlor✭✭✭✭I thoroughly enjoy farming in ESO. My guild mates would often just say "Old Man, are you still picking up flowers and stones in Wrothgar?", because I do it so much. I farmed so much last weekend that I had close to 1000 rubedite ingots and 800 ancestors silk. Along with tens of thousands of gold worth of alchemy materials.
You may say that 8 hours farming on Saturday and the same on Sunday is boring, but I really enjoy doing it. I only wish I got, even a small amount, of XP towards champion points for it.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭On the plus side, it's an entertaining necro.
But there's one solid reason why bots aren't good for the game - because of the way the report text is written.
That if I see a toon named GGZZGGZZ running around in predictable, jerky run patterns mining nodes, behavior that looks exactly like botting... but somehow it isn't, then I'm the one who's going to get penalized. Even though both the name and the behavior are suspicious.
So if I'm 95% sure it's a bot, but I still can't prove it definitively, I'm not going to report it. So the bot owner won because of something ZOS said or did to deter me from reporting it. I'm going to look after my own *** first.signing off0 -
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✭Necromancy! Heretics!P.A.W.S. - Positively Against Wild Sasquatches - NO TO BIGFOOT!2 -
Volkodav✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭huh?
it would be more palatable if the botters didnt cover the landscape with their scripts, interupt regular players ability to quest, get credit for dungeon and other things and not have to compete with lazy pathetic players in bought top gear and levels.
i dont know why i even responded, obviously a spam to get people to go to their website.
*** off
Bots have never bothered me.I have never even see none.Having said that,I dont like cheating in any form,and bots are a cheat.Period.Oldmanlawlor wrote: »I thoroughly enjoy farming in ESO. My guild mates would often just say "Old Man, are you still picking up flowers and stones in Wrothgar?", because I do it so much. I farmed so much last weekend that I had close to 1000 rubedite ingots and 800 ancestors silk. Along with tens of thousands of gold worth of alchemy materials.
You may say that 8 hours farming on Saturday and the same on Sunday is boring, but I really enjoy doing it. I only wish I got, even a small amount, of XP towards champion points for it.
I'm with you.I love farming stuff.I'll go for insect parts and get them into stacks of 400 and even 500,then sell them all.
Flowers,fish,bugs,,..oh just everything.It's quite relaxing.Every once in a while I'll get dragged into some kind of fight though.lol.Edited by Volkodav on February 21, 2016 5:29PM0 -
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✭Oldmanlawlor wrote: »I thoroughly enjoy farming in ESO. My guild mates would often just say "Old Man, are you still picking up flowers and stones in Wrothgar?", because I do it so much. I farmed so much last weekend that I had close to 1000 rubedite ingots and 800 ancestors silk. Along with tens of thousands of gold worth of alchemy materials.
You may say that 8 hours farming on Saturday and the same on Sunday is boring, but I really enjoy doing it. I only wish I got, even a small amount, of XP towards champion points for it.
well you do get a hell of alot of gold for it so that's your reward. it's not that farming mats isn't rewarding in the game. i have a guildmate who likes to do the same which is fine. he likes to do it so let him play the game the way he enjoys but i don't see why you need exp rewarded to it. but that's my opinion0 -
Forestd16b14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Bots in any game are pathetic and honestly you account should be banned for even saying that they are.1
