We NEED a magicka morph of Vigor

Godeko · February 2016

The Elder Scrolls Online "Magicka or gtfo here" Unlimited

Ye m8 why dont u ask for magicka Rally and steel tornado as well?

Edit: Someone really asked for magicka steel tornado lol

AddictionX · February 2016

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Hmm isn't that what the restoration staff skill Regeneration and it's morphs are ?

But if your still serious about it then I recommend changing DKs Dragon Blood into it and of course have one morph magicka and the other stamina.

Dragons Blood: Heals caster and allies within in a 8 meter radius for "X" health over 7 seconds and caster has increases health recovery by 50% for 30 seconds

Coagulating Blood: Now stamina morph, Heals caster and allies within a 8 meter radius for "X" health over 7 seconds and caster has increases health recovery by 50% also gains the effect of reducing incoming damage by 5% for 30 seconds

Green Dragon Blood: Heals caster and allies within in a 8 meter radius for "X" health over 7 seconds and caster has increases health recovery and stamina recovery by 50% for 30 seconds.

There a magicka version of vigor.

lol 50 percent... ummm sure ... I Agree!

Warraxx · February 2016

i hate these Stamika threads...

Brrrofski · February 2016

RaiseToTop wrote: »

Move vigor to sword & board skill line :-P

So stamina players have to slot also a *** offhand to get the best heal ingame

You obviously don't know the strength of sword and board...

PlagueMonk · February 2016

What a joke. All magicka users have access to Resto staff while being a stamina user it's really not an option (yes I could pick one up but my measly 13k ain't gonna do anyone any good.

PLUS.....they have an ENTIRE magicka line just for them (Mages Guild anyone?) When Stamina users get a guild with nothing but stamina powers, THEN we will talk about you getting a heal)

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO · February 2016

kaithuzar wrote: »

We NEED a magicka morph of Vigor because..

Since the beginning of the game, stamina builds have been QQing that they don't have access to a reliable self-heal without slotting a 2H for rally. This is why Vigor was first introduced.

Similarly, many magicka builds DON'T want to be forced to slot a resto staff to use the highly unreliable (but sometimes OP when it works) healing ward.

Recently, This problem has been exacerbated by shield breaker as well as the new CP which increases damage to shields. When a nightblade or DK is forced to rely on the resto bubble, the bubble often chooses to go onto a random teammate. If the bubble actually applies to the caster, the shield is generally small (~5k) and dissipates rapidly when under pressure.

Furthermore, when an enemy is using shield breaker or has points slotted into CP which increases damage against shields, this method of healing is often more trouble than its worth.

Unfortunately, the only remaining options are to use GDB or Sap (no other option for sorcs), which are doubly nerfed because the damage is reduced by 50% and the heals are reduced by 50%, making GDB very ineffective. If a magicka morph of vigor were available, the recent (and semi OP) buffs to magicka DK healing would have been unnecessary

There really shouldn't be a problem with changing the unused morph of vigor to a magicka based heal, since very few stamina builds use that morph anyway.

The advantage of stamina builds are extremely high damage, roll dodging, and more armor. The advantage of magicka builds has been (until the recent buffs to major mending given to stamina DK's and Templars, as well as crit surge for stamina sorcs) their ability to heal themselves. Due to the recent changes, this is no longer the case as stamina builds are able to both deal high damage, roll dodge any incoming damage, and heal themselves for 5k+ ticks of vigor in PvP.

If the dev's are truly interested in balancing this game, this option is the most logical solution to the problem.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_KaiSchober @ZOS_BrianWheeler @ZOS_EricWrobel @ZOS_Wrobel

So Mages this is for you healing without restro staff

Nightblades
Sap
Mark
Killers Blade
Soul Tether
Strife

Templars
Hahahahahahahahahahaha do I even need to?

Dragon Knights
Dragon Blood
Shard
Embers
Flame lash
Igneous shield

Sorcerers
30k shield
Blood magic passive plus mines
I promise not trolling tank pets 35% health on uncast is pretty nice
Surge
Exchange
+ lay down mines, launch a frag and jump to the next keep.

Yea shame how hard it is for mages to heal in this game without healing staff...

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO · February 2016

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

To all of you saying Magicka builds are fine with resto heals, if that's the case then why would you be opposed to them having a Magicka morph of Vigor - on the morph that you never use no less. The idea of stacking Rapid Regen w/ a Magicka Vigor? Stam builds already stack Rally w/ Vigor - and Rally has a burst heal component to boot. Is it the idea of Healing Ward? Aside form being unpredictable, Healing Ward takes 6 seconds to do anything. On the other hand, Stam builds have access to dodge roll / blocking / Elude as very powerful damage mitigation tools.

So once again, why all the fuss?
[snip]

Moderator edit - post edited for trolling

Rolling works for .3 seconds and kills your stamina in four rolls if you attached and heal in that fight.

Blocking cost stamina per hit and stops all stamina recovery so you really only block telegraphed knock backs.

Elude 20% miss chance same as Nightblade blur and
Specter's Eye cast a magic power gain 20% miss chance for 3 seconds 6 seconds cool down so fight like you normally would and half the time you have a free 20% miss chance.

Plus elude last for 20 seconds and is not expensive my magic Dragon Knight runs it.

J2JMC · February 2016

munkt0r wrote: »

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Why is it this game feels the need to make "do-it-all" builds for every class? What happened to relying on other classes in RPG's?...

Best freaking post in entire thread. Of course it goes unnoticed. Anyway there are three reasons for the removal of class reliance in this game.

Cuz Skyrim!
My immersion!
That's not Elder Scrolls lore!

Forestd16b14_ESO · February 2016

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

kaithuzar wrote: »

We NEED a magicka morph of Vigor because..

Since the beginning of the game, stamina builds have been QQing that they don't have access to a reliable self-heal without slotting a 2H for rally. This is why Vigor was first introduced.

Similarly, many magicka builds DON'T want to be forced to slot a resto staff to use the highly unreliable (but sometimes OP when it works) healing ward.

Recently, This problem has been exacerbated by shield breaker as well as the new CP which increases damage to shields. When a nightblade or DK is forced to rely on the resto bubble, the bubble often chooses to go onto a random teammate. If the bubble actually applies to the caster, the shield is generally small (~5k) and dissipates rapidly when under pressure.

Furthermore, when an enemy is using shield breaker or has points slotted into CP which increases damage against shields, this method of healing is often more trouble than its worth.

Unfortunately, the only remaining options are to use GDB or Sap (no other option for sorcs), which are doubly nerfed because the damage is reduced by 50% and the heals are reduced by 50%, making GDB very ineffective. If a magicka morph of vigor were available, the recent (and semi OP) buffs to magicka DK healing would have been unnecessary

There really shouldn't be a problem with changing the unused morph of vigor to a magicka based heal, since very few stamina builds use that morph anyway.

The advantage of stamina builds are extremely high damage, roll dodging, and more armor. The advantage of magicka builds has been (until the recent buffs to major mending given to stamina DK's and Templars, as well as crit surge for stamina sorcs) their ability to heal themselves. Due to the recent changes, this is no longer the case as stamina builds are able to both deal high damage, roll dodge any incoming damage, and heal themselves for 5k+ ticks of vigor in PvP.

If the dev's are truly interested in balancing this game, this option is the most logical solution to the problem.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_KaiSchober @ZOS_BrianWheeler @ZOS_EricWrobel @ZOS_Wrobel

So Mages this is for you healing without restro staff

Nightblades
Sap
Mark
Killers Blade
Soul Tether
Strife

Templars
Hahahahahahahahahahaha do I even need to?

Dragon Knights
Dragon Blood
Shard
Embers
Flame lash
Igneous shield

Sorcerers
30k shield
Blood magic passive plus mines
I promise not trolling tank pets 35% health on uncast is pretty nice
Surge
Exchange
+ lay down mines, launch a frag and jump to the next keep.

Yea shame how hard it is for mages to heal in this game without healing staff...

bowmanz607 · February 2016

i want stamina morph of det then.

slumber_sandb16_ESO · February 2016

Vast majority of skills and their morphs are magicka.
All but 2 ultimates in the game are magic damage.
Magicka gains the benefit of damage AND healing at the same time.
Magicka can use most skills to their potential since(as said above) most skills scale off magicka.
Magicka gets an entire skill line dedicated to healing to use to its full potential while not losing any DPS potential.

Stamina gets 2 heals. Rally and Vigor.
And oh yeah we also need to use our stamina for dodge, break free, blocking, sprinting, normal skills.
And if you're a stamina tank then add block cost to that.

Damn, magicka is so limited. They truly are the victims.

PhatGrimReaper · February 2016

A stamina user with vigor can use any weapon combo and maintain a reliable self heal...... currently resto is the only decent self heal for three of the four magick classes.

Dont forget.... Vigor exists because stam users didnt want to be stuck with a 2h for the rally heal.... ow they just stack rally and vigor.

PlagueMonk · February 2016

PhatGrimReaper wrote: »

A stamina user with vigor can use any weapon combo and maintain a reliable self heal...... currently resto is the only decent self heal for three of the four magick classes.

Dont forget.... Vigor exists because stam users didnt want to be stuck with a 2h for the rally heal.... ow they just stack rally and vigor.

Really the ONLY decent heal? I would recommend scrolling up a few posts to read what kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO · February 2016

PhatGrimReaper wrote: »

A stamina user with vigor can use any weapon combo and maintain a reliable self heal...... currently resto is the only decent self heal for three of the four magick classes.

Dont forget.... Vigor exists because stam users didnt want to be stuck with a 2h for the rally heal.... ow they just stack rally and vigor.

You use vigor cause you need to 2k HoT you die without it. You use Rally cause you need a 20% damage buff going for stamina builds and using one that heals is well a no brainier.

With Battle Spirit they both are not good enough on their own.

We really don't have other options for stamina heals one hand and shields heal need you to get hit by magic projectiles and you can still cancel out the heal with the over flow damage its trash.

Dual Wield's heal is your heal regen just 300~ and only applies if the DoT is on you maybe with changes to DoTs it will be better it now it's now worth it.

Bow has no heal leaving you with rally

dodgehopper_ESO · February 2016

Chori wrote: »

No.

I agree.

Waffennacht · February 2016

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

kaithuzar wrote: »

We NEED a magicka morph of Vigor because..

Since the beginning of the game, stamina builds have been QQing that they don't have access to a reliable self-heal without slotting a 2H for rally. This is why Vigor was first introduced.

Similarly, many magicka builds DON'T want to be forced to slot a resto staff to use the highly unreliable (but sometimes OP when it works) healing ward.

Recently, This problem has been exacerbated by shield breaker as well as the new CP which increases damage to shields. When a nightblade or DK is forced to rely on the resto bubble, the bubble often chooses to go onto a random teammate. If the bubble actually applies to the caster, the shield is generally small (~5k) and dissipates rapidly when under pressure.

Furthermore, when an enemy is using shield breaker or has points slotted into CP which increases damage against shields, this method of healing is often more trouble than its worth.

Unfortunately, the only remaining options are to use GDB or Sap (no other option for sorcs), which are doubly nerfed because the damage is reduced by 50% and the heals are reduced by 50%, making GDB very ineffective. If a magicka morph of vigor were available, the recent (and semi OP) buffs to magicka DK healing would have been unnecessary

There really shouldn't be a problem with changing the unused morph of vigor to a magicka based heal, since very few stamina builds use that morph anyway.

The advantage of stamina builds are extremely high damage, roll dodging, and more armor. The advantage of magicka builds has been (until the recent buffs to major mending given to stamina DK's and Templars, as well as crit surge for stamina sorcs) their ability to heal themselves. Due to the recent changes, this is no longer the case as stamina builds are able to both deal high damage, roll dodge any incoming damage, and heal themselves for 5k+ ticks of vigor in PvP.

If the dev's are truly interested in balancing this game, this option is the most logical solution to the problem.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_KaiSchober @ZOS_BrianWheeler @ZOS_EricWrobel @ZOS_Wrobel

So Mages this is for you healing without restro staff

Nightblades
Sap
Mark
Killers Blade
Soul Tether
Strife

Templars
Hahahahahahahahahahaha do I even need to?

Dragon Knights
Dragon Blood
Shard
Embers
Flame lash
Igneous shield

Sorcerers
30k shield
Blood magic passive plus mines
I promise not trolling tank pets 35% health on uncast is pretty nice
Surge
Exchange
+ lay down mines, launch a frag and jump to the next keep.

Yea shame how hard it is for mages to heal in this game without healing staff...

For the sorcs, until PTS live, exchange is a 1kish heal, all the mines/dark magic moves, only heal 4% health, That's approx 400 hp... that's less than ur health regen rate. Surge only procs with Crystal Frag and Overload light attack (from the sorc tree line that people use) in all realty surge only works with an overload build, however it's one of the buffs sorcs have and therefore must be used.

Clannfear heals for 17.5% in PvP that's a 3.7k heal that can't crit and takes 3 seconds and costs just as much magicka. In PvP it's a horrid heal.

The sorc tree line has essentially no playable heals in PvP, not saying Matriarch isn't coming out, just atm.

I don't think many players are as courageous to run a sorc relying on only their tree lines for heals.

The 30k shield? In PvP that's only even possible to shield stack, that being the case two of those shields are accessible to all players. Meaning your concerned with hardened ward, a 10kish shield in PvP, that's less than most main abilities by almost all builds.

Your grief is with shield stacking, something all builds are capable of, a shield stacking nb can be near impossible to kill by a lone sorc. But this not a sorc issue alone.

Many of you have been sarcastic, but honestly I love a lot of the ideas thrown out there.

Why not a stamina based magicka det? You can easily flavor it to be stamina in style, you know unique. You could go crazy along the lines of an a buff centered around you where you gain 150 weapon damage per enemy in x radius, or simple where It's a move similar to dawnbreaker dealing increased damage per enemy in AoE.

GreenSoup2HoT · February 2016

I'd much rather Vigor be removed and be given back the old dodge roll with no cost stacking. I even think Rally should be toned town since it forces stamina build's into 2h.

NVNiko · February 2016

PlagueMonk wrote: »

What a joke. All magicka users have access to Resto staff while being a stamina user it's really not an option (yes I could pick one up but my measly 13k ain't gonna do anyone any good.

PLUS.....they have an ENTIRE magicka line just for them (Mages Guild anyone?) When Stamina users get a guild with nothing but stamina powers, THEN we will talk about you getting a heal)

***Jeapordy Music***

What is the Fighter's Guild?

kaithuzar · February 2016

PlagueMonk wrote: »

What a joke. All magicka users have access to Resto staff while being a stamina user it's really not an option (yes I could pick one up but my measly 13k ain't gonna do anyone any good.

PLUS.....they have an ENTIRE magicka line just for them (Mages Guild anyone?) When Stamina users get a guild with nothing but stamina powers, THEN we will talk about you getting a heal)

What do you think Fighters Guild is for if not stamina users?

PhatGrimReaper · February 2016

kaithuzar wrote: »

PlagueMonk wrote: »

What a joke. All magicka users have access to Resto staff while being a stamina user it's really not an option (yes I could pick one up but my measly 13k ain't gonna do anyone any good.

PLUS.....they have an ENTIRE magicka line just for them (Mages Guild anyone?) When Stamina users get a guild with nothing but stamina powers, THEN we will talk about you getting a heal)

What do you think Fighters Guild is for if not stamina users?

The fighter's guild exists to give my Magicka Templar DB of Smiting, everyone know's that

Master_Kas · February 2016

Sure if they give us a physical healing ward or physical proxy det

You got multiple heals as magicka already.

Can see it already: Stamina proxy -> invis bats -> spin2win on a bosmer or khajiit NB. Lolololol

PhatGrimReaper · February 2016

Master_Kas wrote: »

Sure if they give us a physical healing ward or physical proxy det

You got multiple heals as magicka already.

Impulse is becoming an AoE execute in that deal too right?

NVNiko · February 2016

Magicka morph of snipe anyone?

Yorubuke · February 2016

Well Templars get plenty of heals and Resto staffs get alot too. Magic NB Get a couple morphs of AOE moves that heal and Ultimate that heals. So im not seeing the need for a Magic Vigor. I feel like DK should have 1 of the Dragon's blood morphs cost stamina tho. Spike armor morph should have a AOE taunt effect too. Cause no1 wants to have to go around puncturing every1 to taunt them.

NVNiko · February 2016

Actually Elder Scrolls lore should be the basis of any balancing discussion. So according to Elder Scrolls Lore Stamina users shouldn't even have a heal available to them:)

PhatGrimReaper · February 2016

NVNiko wrote: »

Actually Elder Scrolls lore should be the basis of any balancing discussion. So according to Elder Scrolls Lore Stamina users shouldn't even have a heal available to them:)

Great, next we'll want Cyro to be a jungle....?

Nerouyn · February 2016

The solution to this and many of the other problems with the game is do away with magicka / stamina scaling for abilities entirely.

Magicka and stamina should just be resource pools like in just about every other game ever made, including the single player TES titles.

Abilities already scale with level and spell or weapon damage. There's no need for them to scale with magicka or stamina and because they do, there's all this angst about maximizing one or the other and not unreasonable desire for morphs for each stat.

PhatGrimReaper · February 2016

Nerouyn wrote: »

The solution to this and many of the other problems with the game is do away with magicka / stamina scaling for abilities entirely.

Magicka and stamina should just be resource pools like in just about every other game ever made, including the single player TES titles.

Abilities already scale with level and spell or weapon damage. There's no need for them to scale with magicka or stamina and because they do, there's all this angst about maximizing one or the other and not unreasonable desire for morphs for each stat.

This actually makes sense..... having damage not scale to Mag/Stam may actually increase the Value of Health & Regen...?

Leandor · February 2016

ZOS_MollyH wrote: »

Hey guys, multiple posts have been removed from this thread for trolling and spam. Please keep in mind that if you think something is trolling, report it. Calling someone a troll in-thread is a violation of Code of Conduct, as is posting spammy "lol" comments that contribute nothing to the discussion.

Moderator edit - post edited to fix a broken link. all better now

So, it is to be cassed as trolling if I show my sunny disposition by laughing? I don't understand, I just want to express my appreciation for OP's sense of humour. I mean, since that can only be either a joke or a mythological utgardian creature, and since it was not removed by the allmighties, it must be the former. Hence, laughing is not only the politically correct response, the heartfelt kind of it shoul rather give an impression of the magnitude of my appreciation of it's potential (the original post's). So, I'll give it a try:

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ZOS_AlanG · February 2016

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