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We NEED a magicka morph of Vigor

kaithuzar
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We NEED a magicka morph of Vigor because..

Since the beginning of the game, stamina builds have been QQing that they don't have access to a reliable self-heal without slotting a 2H for rally. This is why Vigor was first introduced.

Similarly, many magicka builds DON'T want to be forced to slot a resto staff to use the highly unreliable (but sometimes OP when it works) healing ward.

Recently, This problem has been exacerbated by shield breaker as well as the new CP which increases damage to shields. When a nightblade or DK is forced to rely on the resto bubble, the bubble often chooses to go onto a random teammate. If the bubble actually applies to the caster, the shield is generally small (~5k) and dissipates rapidly when under pressure.

Furthermore, when an enemy is using shield breaker or has points slotted into CP which increases damage against shields, this method of healing is often more trouble than its worth.

Unfortunately, the only remaining options are to use GDB or Sap (no other option for sorcs), which are doubly nerfed because the damage is reduced by 50% and the heals are reduced by 50%, making GDB very ineffective. If a magicka morph of vigor were available, the recent (and semi OP) buffs to magicka DK healing would have been unnecessary

There really shouldn't be a problem with changing the unused morph of vigor to a magicka based heal, since very few stamina builds use that morph anyway.

The advantage of stamina builds are extremely high damage, roll dodging, and more armor. The advantage of magicka builds has been (until the recent buffs to major mending given to stamina DK's and Templars, as well as crit surge for stamina sorcs) their ability to heal themselves. Due to the recent changes, this is no longer the case as stamina builds are able to both deal high damage, roll dodge any incoming damage, and heal themselves for 5k+ ticks of vigor in PvP.

If the dev's are truly interested in balancing this game, this option is the most logical solution to the problem.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_KaiSchober @ZOS_BrianWheeler @ZOS_EricWrobel @ZOS_Wrobel


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In order to more fully elaborate why giving magicka users a magicka based morph of vigor is NOT a bad idea...

Skills that have been given stamina morphs:
Surprise attack
Ambush
Killer's Blade
Power Extraction
Relentless Focus

Boundless Storm
Crit Surge
Dark Exchange

Unstable Flame
Engulfing Flames
Inferno
Dragon Leap

Biting Jabs
Purifying Light
Blinding Javelin
Repentence

Some people continue to QQ that many ultimates do not do physical damage, but ZOS changed the game a long time ago so that these ultimates scale off of max stat, so that either class can use them effectively.
Sure, they aren’t affected by the physical damage CP, but stamina builds often have 1,000 more weapon damage than magicka classes, which balances out the damage of the ultimate anyway.

Why do you people have such a problem with either making vigor scale off of max stat, or giving a magicka morph of vigor?


FYI..
This post was a collaboration with primary input from "Nurin" whom has 7 v16's, & has completed Veteran Maelstrom Arena on stamina & magicka versions of each class.
Edited by kaithuzar on February 18, 2016 3:32AM
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  • sagitter
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    regeneration? If you give a magician morph of vigor , you should give also a stamina morph of deto. But I prefeare diversification.
  • Alucardo
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    Magicka builds have been doing totally fine to this point. Once TG is live Magicka will dominate, and you say you NEED a magicka vigor? [snip]

    Moderator edit - post edited for trolling
    Edited by ZOS_MollyH on February 17, 2016 4:08PM
  • SemiD4rkness
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    What next? Magicka morph of Uppercut? :D:D:D:D

    In all seriousness, give stam proxy det and you can have vigor, 10/10 would trade again.
  • TheShadowScout
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    Pffftttt... magica builds used to have ALL the heals, now there is ONE stamina heal, and they cry "we want it too"? And without explenation as to why the OP thinks that sort of foolishness, I have to agree that this looks like a try at trolling...

    Edit - since the OP edited to add reasoning, I have to rightfully do the same.
    While the reasoning has a point to it, I still see this -one- stamina heal (okay, there is rally too, but that's rather limited to two-hander, Which is another thing to talk about...), and yes pretty much -every- class has a magica-based heal option, be it Dk dragon blood, Sorcs dark deals or twilight matriarch, NBs sap spells or a whole skill line for templars, not to mention a whole weapon with resto staves. Oh, and a mages guild lifesteal spell is also available. And the resto ward for shieldbreaker whining is only -one- of them. I really don't see anything in that argument to suggest any "need" for magical classes to share the one stamine heal...

    As for the advantages... I play both stamina and magica builds, while stamina may have dodge rolling and higher armor, I found that the magica builds generally match the damage, do their damage at range where half the enemies can't even reply all that well, and also have heals and defensive options well fuelled with magica. Not to mention, always entering combat at full resource, which is not something I can claim for my stamina builds (sprint & sneak...) All in all, they both feel pretty well balanced to me in playing them, so... no convincing reason to have a magica morph for vigor there either.

    And if we were to go there in the name of game balance... then all the magica skills would require a stamina morph, making all characters have all options, and everyone end up as the same super-effective cookiecutter build again. Not fun to play in a game like that.

    Now... if an argument was made to balance things by buffing some of the magica heal options... that might be more something to discuss...
    Edited by TheShadowScout on February 17, 2016 7:16PM
  • Lil_Willie
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    #NoEta
  • Ra'Shtar
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    You have one, its called Grand Healing/Healing Springs/Illustrious Healing
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  • Jura23
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    Its called Rapid regen.
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  • Alorier
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    Lol really need vigor for magic builds if they keep nerfing Templars then maybe
  • DRXHarbinger
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    The stamina morph heals most magika players by 50% anyway. My feeble sorc has like 14k health and vigor will heal it for like 6.5k. What more do you really want? BoL barely heals for this sometimes lol. QQ over not being able to spam it more. If you need to constantly heal just face it. The other dude is better than you.
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  • failkiwib16_ESO
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    I actually slot vigor, and I'm a pure magicka build .... but when I sometimes run dungeons with pugs, I need to make sure I have a heal for every damn resource possible, because they drain all my magicka lol
  • Ayantir
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    It's called Resto staff.
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  • Alucardo
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    I actually slot vigor, and I'm a pure magicka build .... but when I sometimes run dungeons with pugs, I need to make sure I have a heal for every damn resource possible, because they drain all my magicka lol

    Aye, it's not uncommon for healers to slot Vigor as a heal for when they run out of magicka.
  • Knootewoot
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    I do need a magicka morph of snipe for bow. I want to be a magical bow user. Other games sometimes have magical arrows.

    And while your at it, make the morph a "focused aim of magical detonation" so it has same AOE power as detonation.

    Edit: wow not a bad idea afterall. this is the real zergbuster idea i just had.
    Edited by Knootewoot on February 17, 2016 9:09AM
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  • stevepdodson_ESO888
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    How about making PvE skills (perhaps in the new/upcoming Guild Skills lines) giving everyone a stamina heal, a "mini" clatrops and a "mini" proxy det... and give the Alliance Skills line passives similar to The Undaunted.
    Then everyone gets everything and we can forevermore stop this rivalry (or is it jealousy) between PvE and PvP peeps so we can go back to just playing and enjoying.

    I know...wishful thinking...call me an old fool but there you go. No wait...don't call me an old fool otherwise the post will get blocked :)
  • whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO
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    in all seriousness, im a stamina heavy hybrid nightblade for my main, and I still think this should be done for magicka builds.
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  • Mojmir
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    Can i get stamina morph radiant destruction: p
  • RoamingRiverElk
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    Sounds good, I don't want to rely on a resto staff for healing on my magicka DK or sorc either.
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  • khele23eb17_ESO
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    Lets give magicka everything and remove stamina from the game. Were heading there anyway.
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  • RaiseToTop
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    Move vigor to sword & board skill line :-P

    So stamina players have to slot also a *** offhand to get the best heal ingame :)
  • failkiwib16_ESO
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    Alucardo wrote: »
    I actually slot vigor, and I'm a pure magicka build .... but when I sometimes run dungeons with pugs, I need to make sure I have a heal for every damn resource possible, because they drain all my magicka lol

    Aye, it's not uncommon for healers to slot Vigor as a heal for when they run out of magicka.

    I've only met 1 other healer who used vigor, it was a stamina build 1-hand and shield DD my friend knew, who slotted vigor ....we kept wiping.
  • DannyLV702
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    I prefer my healing Ward I'm good
  • SemiD4rkness
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    RaiseToTop wrote: »
    Move vigor to sword & board skill line :-P

    So stamina players have to slot also a *** offhand to get the best heal ingame :)

    Breath of life >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vigor
    Just sayin
  • aLi3nZ
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    Awesome idea. Would love vigor as Magika. Hate restro staff and healing Ward. pet heal is good but I hate having stupid pet taking 2 slots and dying half the time.
  • HoloYoitsu
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    To all of you saying Magicka builds are fine with resto heals, if that's the case then why would you be opposed to them having a Magicka morph of Vigor - on the morph that you never use no less. The idea of stacking Rapid Regen w/ a Magicka Vigor? Stam builds already stack Rally w/ Vigor - and Rally has a burst heal component to boot. Is it the idea of Healing Ward? Aside form being unpredictable, Healing Ward takes 6 seconds to do anything. On the other hand, Stam builds have access to dodge roll / blocking / Elude as very powerful damage mitigation tools.

    So once again, why all the fuss?
    [snip]

    Moderator edit - post edited for trolling
    Edited by ZOS_MollyH on February 17, 2016 4:09PM
  • Wollust
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    No, we don't need a magicka morph of vigor.
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  • Detector
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    No. Use restro-staff or class/mageguild ability.
    Edited by Detector on February 17, 2016 11:49AM
  • LorDrek
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    Crazy post, stamina builds need scale schield as max stat
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  • lolo_01b16_ESO
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    HoloYoitsu wrote: »
    To all of you saying Magicka builds are fine with resto heals, if that's the case then why would you be opposed to them having a Magicka morph of Vigor - on the morph that you never use no less. The idea of stacking Rapid Regen w/ a Magicka Vigor? Stam builds already stack Rally w/ Vigor - and Rally has a burst heal component to boot. Is it the idea of Healing Ward? Aside form being unpredictable, Healing Ward takes 6 seconds to do anything. On the other hand, Stam builds have access to dodge roll / blocking / Elude as very powerful damage mitigation tools.

    So once again, why all the fuss?[/img]
    Do you think the damage output of stam dks / nbs is fine? If so, I'm sure you agree, we should have a stamina morph of proxy. (yes, I'm just following your logic)
  • Dakrana_Thrazvoth
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    No, we need magicka morph for steel tornado.
  • tennant94
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    This idea is very good sometime I don't want to use a Resto staff
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