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Love/Disagree with Wrobel about DK 「Live stream」

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I'll have to summarize it up because the full video isn't up for me to replay and do a direct quote but here are some close ones.

"We don't want to homogenize the classes so that's why DKs don't have an execute." Goes on to give a game-play example of how player A won't have to worry about Player B using an execute at low HP since player B is a DK.
Every and I mean EVERY single class aside from DKs has an execute. Sorcs have mage's fury, NBs have two impale/killer's blade, and templars has Radiant Destruction (Jesus beam).
So I love how he talked about not trying to homogenize the classes when a prime example of his contradiction is flames of oblivion and it's other morphs; all-though they both do damage they're both the same as a mage light, actually in-fact mage light is definitely better than the two.

Wrobel has also confirmed that those who play Stamina DK will not receive a stamina version of molten whip or flame lash as it will "Homogenize" the classes. I don't agree as DKs have two class abilities that are stamina based but rely on DoTs and even on PTS they are still not worth going for unless you can reduce healing after applying them; on top of the fact the CP tree affects it 2x over anyway.

A good thing wrobel did talk about how percentage based heals (Dragons blood) will receive changes as it's not cutting it so I applaud him for that as 16.5% isn't good but unfortunately the question about the overriding of dragon's blood and morphs when it came to potions didn't get to his ears.

He did speak about more stamina morph changes in the future but was as vague/nervous as ever . He also spoke about possibilities of weapon ultimates but yet again was a bit vague on it.

One thing was funny that he had this idea of DKs having an alternative DoT for stamina (Poison) I'm looking at him with my head shaking at this point as passives pertain to flame damage. If you go dunmer DK you want this to not happen for obvious reasons if you so happen to try stamina DK for experimental theory crafting.
My idea is why not have stamina morphs do a blue fire that gives a reduction to healing maybe 10-15% when used for x amount of seconds.

@Wrobel Glad to have you on the show I still wish you'd listen to some feedback regarding flames of oblivion if anything since you have no intention on adding a stamina version of whip and would rather me use Wrecking Blow.If you remember there's a passive called "World in Flame" because of changes to flames of oblivion that passive is practically useless since one ultimate procs that and that's standard of might.

Note: Before all you "Trolls" coming here spouting the nonsense that stamina DK is top of some 1v1 food chain because of every little scenario you program to make it seem that way please note that every class has options to use weapon abilities therefore the notion that "Wrecking blow synergizes so well with dragon leap" is immediately voided as any class can use it. The only thing stamina DK has going for it is the passives that the DK class has as a whole (2 battle roar and mountains blessing, a close 2nd place would be helping hands but every earthen heart ability is magicka therefore that's ruled out). 1h/shield meta is the best when used by a NB sap tanking with it IMO especially with added bonuses to physical resistance.

Using 1 v 1s as the sole basis for your feedback is also hilarious so please stop, try to gather more information from not only 1 v 1s but from group PvP and PvE content; in other words don't be so narrow minded with your feedback.

This is what flames of oblivion used to be for those who aren't aware.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdfAjTwe3Rk
Edited by MaxwellC on February 13, 2016 2:15PM
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  • Mr.Hmm
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    Very Informative.

    I didnt watch the whole Stream because I left the moment they spilled the Templar changes(I left very angry.) and I cant remember if DK was before the Templar changes or after..
    Edited by Mr.Hmm on February 12, 2016 11:09PM
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  • Forestd16b14_ESO
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    Really @Wrobel ......... REALLY ?!?!?!?! ..... So it's confirmed you guys hate stamina and Templars. Like were is the logic here really ?!?!? You say you don't want classes the same yet DKs are now the only ones with out a execute. REALLY !

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    Edited by Forestd16b14_ESO on February 12, 2016 11:16PM
  • Bashev
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    He said: you will damage your enemy to 25% then you start damaging another enemy. Your friends should execute the first person. @wobel logic.
    Also he gave another example that he wants the battles to bedifferent. If a class with execute attacks you and you are in execute range you should say "*** I have to heal or I am dead", if DK attacks you and you are in execute range "dont worry it is a DK" :smile:
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  • Sharee
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    I'm kinda okay with it. Assuming they balance the class so that it can function well without an execute.
  • MaxwellC
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    @Bashev
    Thanks for the quote I forgot after what felt like steam came from my ears
    Bashev wrote: »
    He said: you will damage your enemy to 25% then you start damaging another enemy. Your friends should execute the first person. @wobel logic.
    Also he gave another example that he wants the battles to bedifferent. If a class with execute attacks you and you are in execute range you should say "*** I have to heal or I am dead", if DK attacks you and you are in execute range "dont worry it is a DK" :smile:

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  • Jura23
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    I agree with him on this to an extent. As a stam DK, you can get execute from weapon line. And as a mag DK, you have that spam dps ability. Both lacking in different areas. Not every class can have everything.
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  • MaxwellC
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    @Jura23
    Sorry but when it comes to an execute that every other class has than that's a balance issue. We can't tank in PvP anymore since QQs came in for the shield which is understandable. We don't have dynamic ultimate regen because again QQs came in for DKs popping ultimates left n right so they could stand their ground.

    So when you say that a DK doesn't need an execute then we need to un-due some changes that occurred so we can be more "Unique" and less "homogenize" from the other classes like @Wrobel wants.
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  • Forestd16b14_ESO
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    @Jura23 The only other executes is execute from 2H or poison injection from bow and thanks to the new hardy execute is gonna be weak and poison injection is a DOT.

    DKs need molten armaments as a execute

    #MoltenExecute @Wrobel
  • Bashev
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    @Jura23
    Sorry but when it comes to an execute that every other class has than that's a balance issue. We can't tank in PvP anymore since QQs came in for the shield which is understandable. We don't have dynamic ultimate regen because again QQs came in for DKs popping ultimates left n right so they could stand their ground.

    So when you say that a DK doesn't need an execute then we need to un-due some changes that occurred so we can be more "Unique" and less "homogenize" from the other classes like @Wrobel wants.

    You can add cinder storm nerf, reflective scale nerf, dragon blood ineffectiveness, magma armor nerf (duration becasue before people can have it all the time), fragmented shield nerf and so ...
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  • MrBeatDown
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    THey are beating the hell out of the Stamina Tank Fire Damage DK. Its getting trashed, and alot of people didnt even know it existed. The changes are stupid. I totally disagree with the changes. It took a long time to get my DK playable, and now its wrecked starting with FOB NERF..... The poison damage for stamina morphs is the coffin for my build..... Only 2 options for a DK is magick and Wrecking Blow Trash. THis is stupid.
  • Tankqull
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    @Jura23
    Sorry but when it comes to an execute that every other class has than that's a balance issue. We can't tank in PvP anymore since QQs came in for the shield which is understandable. We don't have dynamic ultimate regen because again QQs came in for DKs popping ultimates left n right so they could stand their ground.

    So when you say that a DK doesn't need an execute then we need to un-due some changes that occurred so we can be more "Unique" and less "homogenize" from the other classes like @Wrobel wants.

    well the point is you do not need an execute in pvp as every direct dmg ability does 20-30% dmg of a players healthbar.
    and in pve a dk does not need an execute aswell as his dots allready place him above everyone else DPS wise, an execute would only increase that advantage.
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  • Forestd16b14_ESO
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    So long story short @Wrobel is only making dragon knights into magicka base now not even suited for a tank role.......
    Edited by Forestd16b14_ESO on February 13, 2016 4:53AM
  • OldManJim
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    I think they just hate DK's. Especially HA tanks.

    With nearly 40k health, it's easy to get 2 shotted by Wrothgar world bosses. And don't get me started about PvP. That's a complete waste of time.

    And please don't say L2P...
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    I think they just hate DK's. Especially HA tanks.

    With nearly 40k health, it's easy to get 2 shotted by Wrothgar world bosses. And don't get me started about PvP. That's a complete waste of time.

    And please don't say L2P...

    Some of the damage in this game is percentage based. If I have 40k health i will receive 30k damage and somebody with 20k health will receive 13k damage. ZoS logic.
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  • MaxwellC
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    @Tankqull
    You're gonna have to elaborate about every damage ability doing 20-30% of the players health bar. I don't see how you got those numbers and wish to see your explanation (That's all not trying to sound rude here if it may come off that way sorry).
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    stam dk aka snakeknight
  • Forestd16b14_ESO
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    Like I said...

    #CleanupWrobel
    Edited by Forestd16b14_ESO on February 13, 2016 4:52AM
  • MrBeatDown
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    We want More Diversity, Wrecking Blow builds and Magic Dk Builds are the only 2 options right now. So trashy. Stamina has no alternatives after these dumb moves. DKS NEED SOMETHING ELSE OTHER THAN WRECKING BLOW!
  • tinythinker
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    My idea is why not have stamina morphs do a blue fire that gives a reduction to healing maybe 10-15% when used for x amount of seconds.
    Ohhh, blue flame for DKs. I like it.
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  • Tankqull
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    @Tankqull
    You're gonna have to elaborate about every damage ability doing 20-30% of the players health bar. I don't see how you got those numbers and wish to see your explanation (That's all not trying to sound rude here if it may come off that way sorry).

    when ever i´m in cyrodil every instant dd ability does between 4 and 6kdmg sometimes even far more depending on crits. (being either on the recieving or dealing end) with some abilities like WB or fraks hitting for 7-12k(but not being instants). while the typical healthpool in pvp is between 20k (drink user) and 24k (food user) health.
    beside 2h user, sorcs and templars who rely on "casted" abilities no one is needing an execute in pvp as every instant attack will bring you to death if you have reached executioner range, but those skillines and classes do posses an execute.
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  • MrBeatDown
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    I think they like bringing Wrobel on Eso Live. All he has to do is talk about how he plans on trashing DK's and the ESO forums Blow up. They get more clicks and comments. He's kind of like Kim Kardashian, Bad Publicity is just as good as good Publicity for him......He take any he can get. Anything Controversial is a net positive for him.
    Edited by MrBeatDown on February 13, 2016 12:21AM
  • Paulhewhewria
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    I have nothing againest Mr.Wrobel,but I just can't for the life of me see his way of thought.To put it bluntly he and his team just can't seem to find a healthy medium for balance.They either completely miss the mark or go way too far.I understand completely that they can't make everyone happy,but making a huge or little no change for a 3 to 4 month time-frame where things remain either broken or op is going too far.I pray that Mr.Wrobel and his team finds a healthy balance,but currently in my opinion he and his team don't seem to understand what their either doing or don't care whats needed.
  • Forestd16b14_ESO
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    I have nothing againest Mr.Wrobel,but I just can't for the life of me see his way of thought.To put it bluntly he and his team just can't seem to find a healthy medium for balance.They either completely miss the mark or go way too far.I understand completely that they can't make everyone happy,but making a huge or little no change for a 3 to 4 month time-frame where things remain either broken or op is going too far.I pray that Mr.Wrobel and his team finds a healthy balance,but currently in my opinion he and his team don't seem to understand what their either doing or don't care whats needed.

    What they need to do is actually listen to and talk to us the players and stop watching the streamer who are never gonna give them the answers they are looking for and maybe actually do what they say and actually play their own game.
  • JaJaLuka
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    I have nothing againest Mr.Wrobel,but I just can't for the life of me see his way of thought.To put it bluntly he and his team just can't seem to find a healthy medium for balance.They either completely miss the mark or go way too far.I understand completely that they can't make everyone happy,but making a huge or little no change for a 3 to 4 month time-frame where things remain either broken or op is going too far.I pray that Mr.Wrobel and his team finds a healthy balance,but currently in my opinion he and his team don't seem to understand what their either doing or don't care whats needed.

    @Wrobel this pretty much sums it up ^

    The class was gutted too quickly before the other classes were brought on par and now it's working in reverse and the DK is desperately trying to scramble to catch up. All of that on top of the change to ulti gain has put DK's who choose to focus on class abilities in a world of pain.
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  • MikeB
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    What's real funny is how he doesn't want to homogenize the classes but Templar gets very unnecessary hard nerfs to its heals and other classes buffs so they can be more alike when it comes to healing. Heck, they even gave Sorcs a better BoL via their pet. Like Sorcs needed better healing. The guy just contradicts himself from one sentence to the next. Proof read your notes next time, well hopefully there won't be a next time with him.
    Edited by MikeB on February 13, 2016 1:07AM
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    Tankqull wrote: »
    @Tankqull
    You're gonna have to elaborate about every damage ability doing 20-30% of the players health bar. I don't see how you got those numbers and wish to see your explanation (That's all not trying to sound rude here if it may come off that way sorry).

    when ever i´m in cyrodil every instant dd ability does between 4 and 6kdmg sometimes even far more depending on crits. (being either on the recieving or dealing end) with some abilities like WB or fraks hitting for 7-12k(but not being instants). while the typical healthpool in pvp is between 20k (drink user) and 24k (food user) health.
    beside 2h user, sorcs and templars who rely on "casted" abilities no one is needing an execute in pvp as every instant attack will bring you to death if you have reached executioner range, but those skillines and classes do posses an execute.

    Mag dk's don't have such hard hitting abilities ^^
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  • Forestd16b14_ESO
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    MikeB wrote: »
    What's real funny is how he doesn't want to homogenize the classes but Templar gets very unnecessary hard nerfs to its heals and other classes buffs so they can be more alike when it comes to healing. Heck, they even gave Sorcs a better BoL via their pet. Like Sorcs needed better healing. The guy just contradicts himself from one sentence to the next. Proof read your notes next time, well hopefully there won't be a next time with him.

    And lets not forget about how DKs are not getting any more stamina morphs cause that be to "main stream". So what are DK tanks supposed to use then ? I only got like 3 DK skills that need magicka on my bars and elder dragon blood the draconic passive increases heath recovery by 5% per dragoconic skill slotted that's a pretty good passive for tanks yet look at this no dragon skill has a stamina morph.
  • infraction2008b16_ESO
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    Starting to sound like the games morphing back into Elder Skirts Online again...

    How can these guys be so out of touch with the game they develop?
  • Forestd16b14_ESO
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    Starting to sound like the games morphing back into Elder Skirts Online again...

    How can these guys be so out of touch with the game they develop?

    Cause they have streamers they can watch instead and all the streamers care about is what's best for them and their views cause they want our money.
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    So THAT's why Sorcerers don't have a spammable damage ability like the other classes.
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