Toppling Charge Clarification - What EXACTLY will be fixed in TG update?

DurzoBlint13 · January 2016

where did they say it will be fixed? I would love it if it was but I thought templars were getting ignored once again in favor of another sorc hotfix

Decayed_Inside · January 2016

I think overload got hotfixed because more than 8 people collectively play sorc. Only people i see playing Templar are dungeon healers and the few and the proud like me who just want to experience each class.

david.haypreub18_ESO · February 2016

You have to pay attention to Gina's words very carefully (nothing against Gina... she is just being put in an uncomfortable situation by Wrobel et al.). They are not going to fix the Global Cool Down on Toppling Charge ever, because Erik Wrobel does not think it is a problem.

Remember a year ago when Erik said the Global Cool Down was a 'bug' and would be fixed? Within a few weeks, he had gone back on what he said an tried to convince us that this was just a feature of the skill that we should all really like... even though no other charge in the game has a Global Cool Down.

So now they will talk about things like 'fixing' Toppling Charge, but they will never, ever give you a straight up answer about which 'bugs' specifically they mean, because that would be admitting that they do not think the Global Cool Down is a bug.

Seriously, you have to really pay attention to what they are saying. They will never 'fix' Toppling Charge if by 'fixing' you mean removing the Global Cool Down. Why do they think it is ok for Toppling Charge to have a GCD when no other charge skill in the game needs one, and when their own players are constantly telling them it should not have a GCD? No one knows except Wrobel, and he won't ever explain why.

Seido_Tensei_ · February 2016

willymchilybily wrote: »

Idinuse wrote: »

Bashev wrote: »

It will be fixed in the major update after TG DLC. But no ETA so far what will be fixed and will it be successful.

So in other words, we have an ETA (TG release) but no details. Amazing that game breaking bugs for other classes get overnight fixes but this skill has remained it's buggy and broken status quo for over a year.

Just the way it is I guess, but saddening nonetheless.

Good post blaba, now if they would only pay Radiant Oppressions' 3 bugs and other Templar quirks their full attention, the Templar class might just have something resembling a future.

i know you templars do like to moan about the lack of attention you receive. Same as the DKs. but come on, you can use the skill, just it bugs out. its a bit different from not being able to use the skill at all. need to work on your Game breaking definition me thinks

Overload is still bugged in other ways, often it triggeres a heavy or you see no animation and have no clue whats happening. or just doesn't fire at all.

Ive made a templar and i love it and toppling charge has yet to bug for me once. (well except bug number 2 which applies to all gap closers when they cant route to target). Just feel the salty QQ'ing isn't doing the templars rep any favors.

From your post my opinion is you are a bad player.

KingYogi415 · February 2016

FIX COMING IN MARCH

2017.....

RIP TEMPLARS

Orikai · February 2016

SturgeHammer wrote: »

blabafat wrote: »

Toppling Charge has multiple problems.

1: After casting it, you can be locked out of your bars(and cc break/dodge roll) for around 30 seconds?
2: Sometimes, you can't cast it at all. You are not locked out of your bars, but when it's casted, the animation is displayed for a split second, and you remain where you are. If you keep pressing it, you'll see that your character performs the starting animation for the ability, but it doesn't go off.
3: After casting and landing it, your character can't do anything for around .5 - 1.0 seconds. This happens everytime. When compared to other gap closers, the delay is very apparent.

So my question is

Which of these problems will be fixed? I'm hoping all of them will, however, the 3rd problem has been "fixed" in multiple patches.

#1 should take priority because it can be absolutely crippling in a fight, and seems to happen more frequently with higher pings.

Just added it to my bar. I had no idea it was causing this issue. Honestly thought it was lag. Definitely needs to be fixed.

Xantaria · February 2016

blabafat wrote: »

Toppling Charge has multiple problems.

1: After casting it, you can be locked out of your bars(and cc break/dodge roll) for around 30 seconds?
2: Sometimes, you can't cast it at all. You are not locked out of your bars, but when it's casted, the animation is displayed for a split second, and you remain where you are. If you keep pressing it, you'll see that your character performs the starting animation for the ability, but it doesn't go off.
3: After casting and landing it, your character can't do anything for around .5 - 1.0 seconds. This happens everytime. When compared to other gap closers, the delay is very apparent.

So my question is

Which of these problems will be fixed? I'm hoping all of them will, however, the 3rd problem has been "fixed" in multiple patches.

not a single one. enjoy

Inarre · February 2016

I have nothing expanding to offer on this thread except to mention that the second glitch mentioned (where your character begins to animate but stands still and doesn't execute repeatedly) seems to happen more often when your opponent is slightly uphill. To me this seems to be an issue with how the line of site is accounted for with this skill. Hopefully this can be looked into because being stuck holding a spear looking like youre having a epileptic episode while your opponent stands above you pewpewing is pretty embarrassing...

cazlonb16_ESO · February 2016

Is one of the cited streamers just feeding ZOS their BS backwards ? I'm shocked, I really am !

bikerangelo · February 2016

This was posted in a different thread by @Neoauspex, it's so beautiful yet depressing.

Hotfix - Templar style

Updated tooltip to reflect full functionality of Toppling Charge:

Roll the dice of the divine, giving you an 80% chance to charge with your lance to impale an enemy and, inexplicably, yourself. If casting, enemy is interrupted and stunned for 3 seconds. You are stunned for 0.25 seconds no matter what.

If your gamble fails, your next 5 attempts to mash the button while you briskly trot up to your target will also fail. If your gamble succeeds there is a 5% chance that you gain the unique Panicked Silence skill indefinitely. While silenced you may not use any skills or attacks whatsoever but you can freely express your panic by running around until you use a potion or die.

Always stuns enemies for 1.5 (2.4 @ Rank 4) seconds and casting targets are set off balance for 5 seconds.

Mojmir · February 2016

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

tplink3r1 wrote: »

I hope they remove it and give us the trinimac warriors teleport(a faster version, of course).

I was thinking this as well. The main problem with toppling charge is that I suspect the code on it has way too many moving parts. Ambush for NB's on the other hand is very simple. I've been saying a long time they should just make Toppling/Focused Charge a Templar Ambush because my Ambush has ALWAYS worked. The Templar Charge on the other hand has bugged out even since beta (I can recall being stuck 15 minutes during beta, on khenarthi's roost). At least Toppling charge is balanced in that it has a range, whereas ambush you can spam at any range and comes with a whole bag of debuffs/buffs/etc. I'm not saying this to complain about NB's either, but when you stack Templar up against any other class it is very hard to say there is anything truly special about Templar apart from Breath of Life and Purifying Ritual (when you factor in poorly or dangerously functioning skills).

On the comment someone said about radiant destruction, I really wish the pbaoe cc would come back as an alternate choice. At least give something to the tanks/stamina crowd here.

Ambush has had it moments of not working for me,i get the sound but no animation,damage,and I'm standing in place.and there is nothing blocking LOS and its withing the range it should go off.

SemiD4rkness · February 2016

If they can't fix the ability why not justbmake a new one and remove the old one? It's the only gapcloser magicka templars have...

vyndral13preub18_ESO · February 2016

We dont have time to be charging around while we are spamming BoL anyway!

Egonieser · February 2016

Agreed, I love my MagPlar quite a lot in PvP and she does pack a mean punch, but only and if the skills actually work.
Toppling Charge bug has annoyed me the most ever since I started her and it's a skill I heavily rely on aswell, so it's a real deal breaker for me. So many times pesky night blades have stealthed away on low health because toppling charge bugs out when otherwise they'd be dead. So many times I get blasted to bits from range because toppling charge bugs and i can't gapclose, it just ruined it for me.
That's just the tip of the iceberg...

The class has huge potential if they fixed it, and when it works - it's unstoppable in 1 vs 1 and even 1 vs X, but alas - those moments are far and few between...

Nifty2g · February 2016

Nifty2g wrote: »

it most likely wont be fixed then we will have to wait another major update for a fix

qft

Neoauspex · February 2016

SturgeHammer wrote: »

If you play on console (maybe you do play pc, just going off of the sig), it's possible that the lockout bug doesn't happen there. Reloading the ui on pc will fix the lockout bug for me, but that's usually not an option in combat.

It happens on console as well.

SirDopey · February 2016

willymchilybily wrote: »

Idinuse wrote: »

Bashev wrote: »

It will be fixed in the major update after TG DLC. But no ETA so far what will be fixed and will it be successful.

So in other words, we have an ETA (TG release) but no details. Amazing that game breaking bugs for other classes get overnight fixes but this skill has remained it's buggy and broken status quo for over a year.

Just the way it is I guess, but saddening nonetheless.

Good post blaba, now if they would only pay Radiant Oppressions' 3 bugs and other Templar quirks their full attention, the Templar class might just have something resembling a future.

i know you templars do like to moan about the lack of attention you receive. Same as the DKs. but come on, you can use the skill, just it bugs out. its a bit different from not being able to use the skill at all. need to work on your Game breaking definition me thinks

Overload is still bugged in other ways, often it triggeres a heavy or you see no animation and have no clue whats happening. or just doesn't fire at all.

Ive made a templar and i love it and toppling charge has yet to bug for me once. (well except bug number 2 which applies to all gap closers when they cant route to target). Just feel the salty QQ'ing isn't doing the templars rep any favors.

Are you being Serious or Trolling??? It's not game breaking??? I'm sorry, but PLEASE tell me how I'm meant to survive in vMA or solo PVP when I can't use ANY abilities for 30 seconds? To clarify, ANY ability means I can't heal, I can't jump, I can't block, I can't roll dodge, I can't light/heavy attack - I can do absolutely NOTHING. Tell me again how this is NOT game breaking????

dlepi24 · February 2016

myrrrorb14_ESO wrote: »

Took Toppling Charge off my bar a while ago. Withstood the bug for as long as I could, but eventually it just annoyed me too much. Still like the ability, just can't stand it lol.

Ironically enough I found another bug that mimics the bar lock out. Haven't figured out the root cause yet though. Think it's related to dodge roll. Maybe animation cancelled dodge. Very frustrating to not be able to do anything.

Hopefully we can get all the bugs fixed with it. Especially #1 !

Yeah, it definitely has something to do with dodge rolling and animation cancelling. I get the bug which I believe permanently makes your character sprint until it runs out of stamina. It has something to do with animation cancelling, though.

Blackfyre20 · April 2016

Not sure about everyone else but this skill is still very broken for me on ps4 after TG. Error 1 happens to me occasionally and obviously costs me the fight every time and error 2 happens pretty often which is still a pain because it is my only hard cc. Don't care if this skill gets reworked somehow, I just want my gap closer/stun to actually work. Even if the global cool down never gets fixed I can live with that, I just want the skill to land regularly.

soc1212 · April 2016

The same thing is happening with critical charge and critical rush. When is this going to get fixed ?

blabafat · April 2016

@snowmobile

soc1212 wrote: »

The same thing is happening with critical charge and critical rush. When is this going to get fixed ?

Next DLC by my guess

Lynx7386 · April 2016

Most likely what they'll do is make all of these "charge" style abilities "teleport" abilities instead, like bolt escape or the nightblade's ambush/teleport strike. Those abilities work fine, but the charge effect seems to cause issues when it comes to latency and interactions on the target's end.