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They are going to wait to do race changes until the race overhaul in dark brotherhood.

Witar wrote: »

Would trade my useless dunmer fire resist for 6% damage resist any day. Just saying.

will be nice with magic DK making a come back.

karakondzula wrote: »

Everyone would agree that these 2 races are still lagging behind others, there are many reasons why, but since its impossible to change the whole system right now we need to keep pressing on devs to buff them.

Nobody who play Argonian is happy with health bonus, since EP side lacks a stamina focused race i think Argonians could be reworked into 1 by changing their current 9% health bonus into 10% stamina just like on Redguard. Pretty sure this would make Argonians viable versatile race.

As for Nords, being a tanky EP race there are 2 possible solutions in my mind.
First: health is really underrated stat so Nords should have much more than 9% health bonus, i'm thinking about 18% would be great (since much smaller imperial have 12%).

Second: keep the 9% health and rework Rugged (its useless) passive to give 6% chance to absorb full damage damage from attack.

What do you guys think?

I like Nords, and I think your suggestion is out of control. Health is underrated but I think the issue here is that Health should be made more valuable. I've posted other forum suggestions about this before and I know other people feel the same way. I'd like to add that the Imperials are a tough, intelligent and lucky people. Nords are already physically tougher them with their current stats, I don't think they need more. I could live with them giving Nords Lightning resistance though. If you check out Morrowind they did have lightning resistance as well as cold.

In regards to Argonians I have to say I really wish they'd just give them a Regeneration Stat that exceeds Orc and Nord. It would be thematic, and not logically strange given their historic theme in the series.

In both cases though I don't see why they can't give each race +10% Health, and then work in the game balance to make Health an actually meaningful stat. I think that's the better balance, and would benefit other races who rely on health, or other builds (structured entropy, nightblades, etc). I've suggested for some time a few ways they could make health better:
1) Scale all mitigating skills upward for a strong health.
2) Scale down breakfree costs, dodge roll costs, block costs, sprint costs etc for a higher health.
3) Scale light/heavy attack damage upward with increasing Health.
4) Lower Ultimate Costs for an increasingly higher health.

I'm not suggesting they do all of these, but this idea would push the concept of the 'warrior' constellation in this game further. It would also finally give reason for DPS players to want to spend on health, and make health more interesting for the tankers of Tamriel.

karakondzula wrote: »

Everyone would agree that these 2 races are still lagging behind others, there are many reasons why, but since its impossible to change the whole system right now we need to keep pressing on devs to buff them.

Nobody who play Argonian is happy with health bonus, since EP side lacks a stamina focused race i think Argonians could be reworked into 1 by changing their current 9% health bonus into 10% stamina just like on Redguard. Pretty sure this would make Argonians viable versatile race.

As for Nords, being a tanky EP race there are 2 possible solutions in my mind.
First: health is really underrated stat so Nords should have much more than 9% health bonus, i'm thinking about 18% would be great (since much smaller imperial have 12%).

Second: keep the 9% health and rework Rugged (its useless) passive to give 6% chance to absorb full damage damage from attack.

What do you guys think?

No on the Argonians, because you would be messing up a lot Argonian Magicka Templar builds who needed that extra Health stat more than they need Stamina.

Yea buff Nord and Argonians, they are one big joke.

Even with capped armor/resist, the nord passive will reduce damage by 3%. Don't discount the regeneration bonus either, on a tank regen build that passive can be as strong as a constant rally tick.

Playing as a nord, not an argonian, I think they're a little bit behind some classes but not nearly as bad as some make it out to be. 18% Health would be insanely strong, 12% for imperial already is.

Have the Amphibious passive provide a bonus to magicka and stamina, preferably regen or cost reduction.

The Nord's Robust health regen passive needs to be replaced or be reduced and have something along the lines of more physical damage added. Numbers in the neighborhood of 1%/2%/3% damage if regen reduced or 2%/4%/6% damage if replaced. I say physical damage because Nords are traditionally a physical race and are meant to hit hard with those large frames. If not physical damage then a stamina regen or stamina capacity buff would be suitable in playing to functionality while maintaining the Nord's racial "profile". There are to many ways for health regen to be reduced especially when in Cyrodiil and Imperial City where it is cut in half. Health regen is not truly a viable passive especially when compared to the other races passive and more of the game is being focused around outright damage output.

As for Argonians, the stat return for potions in Amphibious should be replaced with a stealth bonus. Argonian warriors are typically guerilla fighters and tend to be assassins such as Shadow Scales. Plus the Default Pact races do not have a stealth race. The healing staff exp. passive should be changed to medium armor s Argonian are adept at making armor from the hides of the tough beast of their homeland. I know many people would like to see Argonians as a magicka race that role is filled for the pact by Dunmer and shamans/mages among Argonians are about as common as mages are for Bosmer and Khajiit. They exist as a minority compared to the more physically inclined of those races.

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Nord and Argonian buffs: Not checked.

Heavy armor buffs: Not checked

Making Meteor reflectable again: Not checked

Making the game Elder Staves Online again: Checked

Stamina nerfs: Checked

Making tanks even more useless: Check.


Hmm weird check list no?

What's funny is that tanks will probably never be a thing is ESO again. With Wrobel saying that blocking is boring and not productive, I think we can infer the role isn't going to have anything done with it any further.

ZOS just needs to rework the stats passive and give flat values instead of multiplicative values. This way you don't get exponential results when stacking a single stat like Stamina/Magicka with races like Altmers and Redguards. And characters who get specific effects from their armour passives or sets get greater returns out of it.

You are bigger racists than Hítler, Zenimax.