Why does everyone still think this is skyrim 2.0

dodgehopper_ESO · February 2016

It really is the next in line after Skyrim. I'm sure we all look forward to a future patch that reveals more about the series, but ESO fills that spot for a lot of us. Its not really a big deal.

Lysette · February 2016

Gidorick wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Don't worry. Once TESVI is released they will all don their iron helmets, pick up their 2h battle axe and leave anyway

For a little while maybe - my personal experience is, if I fire up Oblivion or Skyrim now, after a while I am missing other people around. ESO is changing how you view your single-player games.

Not for me. Fallout 4 is amazing.

It is, but it is just out for just about 3 months - wait and see if you will not be back in a bit. Once you will have a huge army of minutemen and decided for a certain faction, there is not that much to play any longer in fallout 4. It is smaller than you think.

Marrtha · February 2016

It is because people don't understand that there are different types of games.

Why on earth would anyone ever compare a single-player game to a multi-player one?

This is MMORPG. As such it has its pros and cons and faults but those should be corrected withing the MMO genre. Not to suit people who come from a single-player game like Skyrim. What's next? Mods for ESO? Eh. Don't bother.

Volkodav · February 2016

munkt0r wrote: »

Better question is why ISN'T this game just Skyrim online?

Better yet,Morrowind Online,which is what people have been asking for since it came out.

Lysette · February 2016

munkt0r wrote: »

Better question is why ISN'T this game just Skyrim online?

Because Skyrim is just a small province on the continent of Tamriel. Your question is like why is Europe not just like Norway.

Volkodav · February 2016

spoqster wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Zorrashi wrote: »

spoqster wrote: »

The real question is "Why shouldn't it be?" Skyrim is a good game and was a huge success - arguably more successful than ESO.

I think it would make the game better if the world were truly open and you wouldn't be locked in to stamina or magicka builds. ZOS had the great chance to create a truly revolutionary MMO, but instead they decided to re-use many old and out-dated mechanics.

See here for more detailed thoughts: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/245689/five-user-experiences-that-are-still-fundamentally-broken-in-eso-an-open-letter

To a certain degree, I agree with this statement. But it is important to emphasize how some things from the "elder scrolls experience" have be sacrificed in order to make it fit with the MMO setting.
Guilds, you not being the only awesome hero, skill bars and the limitations that come with it, the lack of unique handmade dungeons etc.
That being said, I think (imo) that ESO could use some more attention to detail and add more world interactivness just for the sake of making the world more immersive.

We basically have no clue about how successful ESO really is - so all of that is just guess work. It might be very successful and we don't know about it. With the megaserver concept and phasing you cannot know how many people are in total on a server nor how many people bought the game and are still playing it. What we can say is that it is successful enough to be continued and that is all what really counts.

Well, we know for sure it is not as successful as Skyrim. And not as successful as WoW. And not as successful as Hearthstone. And not as successful as the Fifa franchise.

But after all my posts no ZOS employee has contacted me yet and asked me for consulting work on their game. And they haven't implemented most of the straight forward fixes in terms of game design (that all these games have pioneered). So by now I firmly believe they're just stuck in their own little universe where they design a game for 2005 and hope that people will like it and wonder why it isn't as successful as it could have been.

How do you know this for sure?

Tyrion87 · February 2016

I've always been saying that ESO, after its release in 2014, became a victim of two things: critically acclaimed Skyrim and many imperfections of ESO during the betas.

As for the first one, everybody was comparing ESO to Skyrim accusing the first one of lack of many flag features of Skyrim (which ESO simply couldn't have as MMO). Single players complained there is too much group (?!) content while MMO players complained about too much solo content. However ZOS did a great job that seemed to be impossible to perform: to find the golden mean and to satisify both the single and MMO players. And despite the fact that initially it wasn't done 100% well, nowdays this game provides pleasure and entertainment for both MMO and single players.

As for the latter, during the betas ESO had so many flaws and at the same time so many participants that as a result the initial hype turned into disappointment which lowered the people's expectations regarding the final product.

After the official release, ESO was not perfect back then but it surely didn't deserve criticism it got. The reviews of both critics and players have never been objective. Not to mention that the game, in its current state, doesn't resemble ESO after release and during the betas even more. They are like two different games. Since ESO has been so much polished up, it's the best MMO nowdays imo and it really deserves to be the prominent part of the Elder Scrolls series.

Lysette · February 2016

Tyrion87 wrote: »

I've always been saying that ESO, after its release in 2014, became a victim of two things: critically acclaimed Skyrim and many imperfections of ESO during the betas.

As for the first one, everybody was comparing ESO to Skyrim accusing the first one of lack of many flag features of Skyrim (which ESO simply couldn't have as MMO). Single players complained there is too much group (?!) content while MMO players complained about too much solo content. However ZOS did a great job that seemed to be impossible to perform: to find the golden mean and to satisify both the single and MMO players. And despite the fact that initially it wasn't done 100% well, but nowdays this game provides pleasure and entertainment for both MMO and single players.

As for the latter, during the betas ESO had so many flaws and at the same time so many participants that as a result the initial hype turned into disappointment which lowered the people's expectations regarding the final product.

After the official release, ESO was not perfect back then but it surely didn't deserve criticism it got. The reviews of both critics and players have never been objective. Not to mention that the game, in its current state, doesn't resemble ESO after release and during the betas even more. They are like two different games. Since ESO has been so much polished up, it's the best MMO nowdays imo and it really deserves to be the prominent part of the Elder Scrolls series.

When ZOS announced that free to play weekend, I gave it a second chance. Honestly, if they would not have done this, I would never again have looked at ESO. What I have seen at launch in videos and in review was just horrible and did not appeal to me at all. As much as I love Elder Scrolls, this did not look and feel like it - as far as I could get it from the videos. Then friends of mine tried it and came to the same verdict - not worth playing, even all of them are long term TES fans. So it was quite clever from ZOS, to announced a free to play weekend and have a look at if it feels better now - and it does, finally I am with it.

Edit: Well, I would have missed the free weekend, if not a friend in EVE online would have told me about it and said, it has changed a lot and is now really enjoyable. So this was the actual reason to check it out.

Tonnopesce · February 2016

Thevampirenight wrote: »

I do think also they are adding a dragonbone modif.

And just to know... where do you take the "DRAGON BONES" since there are NO dragons in the ESO era???

LoreRiley · February 2016

Wait! This isn't Skyrim 2.0?

Reported
I demand a refund

SHADOW2KK · February 2016

This most defo is not Skyrim Online 2.0, as I loved the combat from Skryim, well with varying combat mods to enhance it as it was way too easy even at legendary.

As a couple of others have said, those of us who came to ESO have always wanted a online version of the game since way back when, probably before Morrowind days far back in the misty depths of time

There are many types of players with differing gaming backgrounds who play ESO, who caes, we are all in it together.

We all bought the game, we all have opinons, fair enough we will not always agree with each other, but hey, at least we are all playing it, considering the vast majority of the players never come near these forums.

Harmony is always better than conflict.

kyle.wilson · February 2016

Mr.Hmm wrote: »

Skyrim was made by Bethesda.
The Elder Scrolls Online was made by Zenimax Online Studios.

Notice the difference.

And yet, Zenimax online studios was founded by Bethesda's founders. It was made to be the publishing side of their company. So it's really the same.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZeniMax_Media

Lysette · February 2016

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

This most defo is not Skyrim Online 2.0, as I loved the combat from Skryim, well with varying combat mods to enhance it as it was way too easy even at legendary.

As a couple of others have said, those of us who came to ESO have always wanted a online version of the game since way back when, probably before Morrowind days far back in the misty depths of time

There are many types of players with differing gaming backgrounds who play ESO, who caes, we are all in it together.

We all bought the game, we all have opinons, fair enough we will not always agree with each other, but hey, at least we are all playing it, considering the vast majority of the players never come near these forums.

Harmony is always better than conflict.

People have different opinions, and that is fine. We do not have to agree on things as long as we accept, that everyone is entitled to his/her opinion. I tend to say things often in a straight way, but that does not mean I would want to convince others of my opinion or that it would be the only right one - it is just my opinion, others can accept it or reject it, that is up to them and fine with me. I do not intend to harm anyone with my opinion, but I do as well not want to shut up, just because others might not like it. As long as we are able to agree on disagreeing in certain points, all is fine. It does not have to be harmony.

threefarms · February 2016

Elsweyr is next game.

Spottswoode · February 2016

Lysette wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Not for me. Fallout 4 is amazing.

It is, but it is just out for just about 3 months - wait and see if you will not be back in a bit. Once you will have a huge army of minutemen and decided for a certain faction, there is not that much to play any longer in fallout 4. It is smaller than you think.

You can fill the map in a day or two of dedicated play. So, yeah, there's not that much to do once you beat the main story. I'm at the point where I'm just waiting for the DLC.

eventide03b14a_ESO · February 2016

rager82b14_ESO wrote: »

People might not agree with me, but for me Elder Scrolls was about kill cam, and making amazing arrow shots. Oh and Dark Brotherhood stuff.

Things like that missing makes it feel less like elders.

None of the games prior to Skyrim had that feature...

Anilahation · February 2016

It's oblivion and Runescape mixed tbh.

Xellos77 · February 2016

I, for one, knew this wasn't Skyrim 2.0.

Although, to be fair, I was under the impression it was called Elder Scrolls: The Sometimes Multi-Player Experience.

I quickly learned, however, it was called Elder Scrolls: The Crown Store Edition.

jluchau · February 2016

What I dislike is how SOME PEOPLE use the word EVERYONE to describe a fraction of the player base. I think there is a considerable amount of people who aren't blasting the game in zone chat. I also think there is a large number of players who enjoyed skyrim and still enjoy this game. I don't think there is a single topic about this game where the use of the word EVERYONE would be accurate. Live and let live and if the noise bothers you do what many of us do and turn off zone chat unless you need it for something at the time.

eventide03b14a_ESO · February 2016

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

munkt0r wrote: »

Better question is why ISN'T this game just Skyrim online?

It's getting there. Slowly but surely the developers either are having a really hard time designing MMO content or really do want to push this game down the solo player path.

Pretty soon it will be an Elder Scrolls game with an 'over featured' chat room.

The problem isn't that they can't design MMO content. The content is pretty standard for an MMO actually. What they can't seem to do right is create quests that are both engaging and actually giving you a reward you want. There isn't a single quest line in the game that gives you anything other than crap as a reward. They also cannot seem to create a system where your choices actually matter. In every other TES game your decision had real consequences, not so for ESO.

nbksaske · February 2016

nah, its skyrim 1.5 - the war of the 3. lol i love skyrim, oblivion, morrowind , roll on when they bring the next one out, whatever it will be, i must play it

this eso thing is just a filler

Elsonso · February 2016

Jeraldan wrote: »

Not being able to sit on chairs? Bad.
No kind of social minigames (which actually have a HUGE positive impact in terms of FUN in other MMOS)? Bad.

Out of that whole list, these are the things I think ESO should have (that are not already on the "no ETA list").

One just expects to be able to sit on the benches, chairs, and stools in the world. I have no idea why they did not include this from the start, but my guess is that it was not high enough on the cut list. With every passing DLC, this becomes more and more remote as a possibility. Every chair, every bench, and every stool would have to be examined and re-positioned in the game to make sure that it could be used as an active object before being replaced by an active version of the object.

ESO is an MMO, and one that they marketed as a leading social MMO. I don't consider ESO to very focused on social, forget about being a leading one, and social minigames would be a huge step in that direction. I would like to play games with other players. ZOS should consider adding a dice rolling function to chat so that players can roll a die (1 to x) and have the game roll it and display the number to everyone in the chat channel. We could invent our own games with that ability. There are number of games, without even getting into gambling for gold, that ZOS could implement in various taverns and inns around the world. We should be allowed to play a limited in-game version of Legends. They could sell cards in the Crown Store. This would be, of course, minus any card trading ability.

ESO does not need open world PVP. As a matter of fact, if you want to foster a social Elder Scrolls multiplayer game, you pretty much want to stay away from open world PVP. Of all things that ZOS could do to the game to torpedo the Skyrim 2 players, I think that this one has to be close to, or at, the top of the list. Cooldown, no cooldown, does not matter. When the players are pitted against each other in any fashion, the people coming from the Single Player TES games expecting to find Skyrim shy away. The reason that I say this is that a common comment in the forums early in the life of the game indicated that some people think that ESO already has too much PVP outside of Cyrodiil. Yeah.

Any suggestion that places an object in the world that is expected to persist beyond the length of a reasonable timer (seconds) is a problem in any massively multiplayer game. Chests and containers that players can put loot into simply do not work in this environment, unless in a location that is isolated from all of the other players. Housing would be a prime place that this could work. I would like to see portable campfires (cooking stations) that are not Crown Store items that we could use as social gathering points. Something that would stay until the player moved a certain distance away and would be shared across players.

Musical instruments are in the game now, but they play canned tunes. It would be interesting to be able to compose music, and be able to synchronize multiple players on different instruments, but I expect that the emotes will be all there will be in the game.

Lysette · February 2016

Spottswoode wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Not for me. Fallout 4 is amazing.

It is, but it is just out for just about 3 months - wait and see if you will not be back in a bit. Once you will have a huge army of minutemen and decided for a certain faction, there is not that much to play any longer in fallout 4. It is smaller than you think.

You can fill the map in a day or two of dedicated play. So, yeah, there's not that much to do once you beat the main story. I'm at the point where I'm just waiting for the DLC.

The main story is just a tiny part of a Bethesda game - if you have done just that, out with you, exploring

Lysette · February 2016

jluchau wrote: »

What I dislike is how SOME PEOPLE use the word EVERYONE to describe a fraction of the player base. I think there is a considerable amount of people who aren't blasting the game in zone chat. I also think there is a large number of players who enjoyed skyrim and still enjoy this game. I don't think there is a single topic about this game where the use of the word EVERYONE would be accurate. Live and let live and if the noise bothers you do what many of us do and turn off zone chat unless you need it for something at the time.

It might be a console thing, zone chat in PC EU is ok, people ask something and get an answer or are looking for 1 or 2 more people to join in a group or so. Very rarely someone is offering something for sale, it is pretty civilized.

Snowstrider · February 2016

lordrichter wrote: »

Jeraldan wrote: »

Not being able to sit on chairs? Bad.
No kind of social minigames (which actually have a HUGE positive impact in terms of FUN in other MMOS)? Bad.

Out of that whole list, these are the things I think ESO should have (that are not already on the "no ETA list").

One just expects to be able to sit on the benches, chairs, and stools in the world. I have no idea why they did not include this from the start, but my guess is that it was not high enough on the cut list. With every passing DLC, this becomes more and more remote as a possibility. Every chair, every bench, and every stool would have to be examined and re-positioned in the game to make sure that it could be used as an active object before being replaced by an active version of the object.

ESO is an MMO, and one that they marketed as a leading social MMO. I don't consider ESO to very focused on social, forget about being a leading one, and social minigames would be a huge step in that direction. I would like to play games with other players. ZOS should consider adding a dice rolling function to chat so that players can roll a die (1 to x) and have the game roll it and display the number to everyone in the chat channel. We could invent our own games with that ability. There are number of games, without even getting into gambling for gold, that ZOS could implement in various taverns and inns around the world. We should be allowed to play a limited in-game version of Legends. They could sell cards in the Crown Store. This would be, of course, minus any card trading ability.

ESO does not need open world PVP. As a matter of fact, if you want to foster a social Elder Scrolls multiplayer game, you pretty much want to stay away from open world PVP. Of all things that ZOS could do to the game to torpedo the Skyrim 2 players, I think that this one has to be close to, or at, the top of the list. Cooldown, no cooldown, does not matter. When the players are pitted against each other in any fashion, the people coming from the Single Player TES games expecting to find Skyrim shy away. The reason that I say this is that a common comment in the forums early in the life of the game indicated that some people think that ESO already has too much PVP outside of Cyrodiil. Yeah.

Any suggestion that places an object in the world that is expected to persist beyond the length of a reasonable timer (seconds) is a problem in any massively multiplayer game. Chests and containers that players can put loot into simply do not work in this environment, unless in a location that is isolated from all of the other players. Housing would be a prime place that this could work. I would like to see portable campfires (cooking stations) that are not Crown Store items that we could use as social gathering points. Something that would stay until the player moved a certain distance away and would be shared across players.

Musical instruments are in the game now, but they play canned tunes. It would be interesting to be able to compose music, and be able to synchronize multiple players on different instruments, but I expect that the emotes will be all there will be in the game.

I agree with Everything you said

the main reason i dont play eso anymore is just the lack of fun social things mini games festivals events etc and things happening in the world. I always liked those fun stuff in mmos and i think its the thing i was Dissapointed with on eso. Lack of exploring.fun social and being able to interact with the world more. Wish it wasnt so pure themepark

Pallmor · February 2016

Lysette wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Don't worry. Once TESVI is released they will all don their iron helmets, pick up their 2h battle axe and leave anyway

For a little while maybe - my personal experience is, if I fire up Oblivion or Skyrim now, after a while I am missing other people around. ESO is changing how you view your single-player games.

Not for me. Fallout 4 is amazing.

It is, but it is just out for just about 3 months - wait and see if you will not be back in a bit. Once you will have a huge army of minutemen and decided for a certain faction, there is not that much to play any longer in fallout 4. It is smaller than you think.

Yep, I second this (as someone who played it). At a certain point, I had done almost everything, got bored, and moved on. There is a lot of stuff in Fallout 4, but the world isn't even a fraction of the size of ESO. And there just isn't much left to do after a while. Once you finish the main story, finish the faction quests and all the little side quests, that's all there is really. You can keep building up your settlements and doing the same radiant quests over and over. But why would you?

Even when you finish the massive amount of single player stuff in ESO (through all three faction's zones), there is at least PvP arenas, trials, guilds, DLC, etc. to give you something to do.

Snowstrider · February 2016

Pallmor wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Don't worry. Once TESVI is released they will all don their iron helmets, pick up their 2h battle axe and leave anyway

For a little while maybe - my personal experience is, if I fire up Oblivion or Skyrim now, after a while I am missing other people around. ESO is changing how you view your single-player games.

Not for me. Fallout 4 is amazing.

It is, but it is just out for just about 3 months - wait and see if you will not be back in a bit. Once you will have a huge army of minutemen and decided for a certain faction, there is not that much to play any longer in fallout 4. It is smaller than you think.

Yep, I second this (as someone who played it). At a certain point, I had done almost everything, got bored, and moved on. There is a lot of stuff in Fallout 4, but the world isn't even a fraction of the size of ESO. And there just isn't much left to do after a while. Once you finish the main story, finish the faction quests and all the little side quests, that's all there is really. You can keep building up your settlements and doing the same radiant quests over and over. But why would you?

Even when you finish the massive amount of single player stuff in ESO (through all three faction's zones), there is at least PvP arenas, trials, guilds, DLC, etc. to give you something to do.

Well eso world is zones not a free open world where anything could happen. And its not really detailed and other than the quests there are no reason or Any fun to just walk around and Explore becouse there isnt much to explore.

Eso world size cannot be compared to a game such as fallout or other elder scrolls games becouse they are built so different.

Inarre · February 2016

What? THIS ISNT SKYRIM 2.0? I want my money back

Lysette · February 2016

Snowstrider wrote: »

Pallmor wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Don't worry. Once TESVI is released they will all don their iron helmets, pick up their 2h battle axe and leave anyway

For a little while maybe - my personal experience is, if I fire up Oblivion or Skyrim now, after a while I am missing other people around. ESO is changing how you view your single-player games.

Not for me. Fallout 4 is amazing.

It is, but it is just out for just about 3 months - wait and see if you will not be back in a bit. Once you will have a huge army of minutemen and decided for a certain faction, there is not that much to play any longer in fallout 4. It is smaller than you think.

Yep, I second this (as someone who played it). At a certain point, I had done almost everything, got bored, and moved on. There is a lot of stuff in Fallout 4, but the world isn't even a fraction of the size of ESO. And there just isn't much left to do after a while. Once you finish the main story, finish the faction quests and all the little side quests, that's all there is really. You can keep building up your settlements and doing the same radiant quests over and over. But why would you?

Even when you finish the massive amount of single player stuff in ESO (through all three faction's zones), there is at least PvP arenas, trials, guilds, DLC, etc. to give you something to do.

Well eso world is zones not a free open world where anything could happen. And its not really detailed and other than the quests there are no reason or Any fun to just walk around and Explore becouse there isnt much to explore.

Eso world size cannot be compared to a game such as fallout or other elder scrolls games becouse they are built so different.

The problem with fallour 4 is, there is too much loot - so much that it is meaningless to even pick it up anymore - and why explore at all, if not for the loot or something interesting to find. But due to your settlements you have all in mass amounts, there is no reason after a while to go out and get more stuff - you are already drowning in stuff.

Ilsabet · February 2016

Lysette wrote: »

Snowstrider wrote: »

Pallmor wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Don't worry. Once TESVI is released they will all don their iron helmets, pick up their 2h battle axe and leave anyway

For a little while maybe - my personal experience is, if I fire up Oblivion or Skyrim now, after a while I am missing other people around. ESO is changing how you view your single-player games.

Not for me. Fallout 4 is amazing.

It is, but it is just out for just about 3 months - wait and see if you will not be back in a bit. Once you will have a huge army of minutemen and decided for a certain faction, there is not that much to play any longer in fallout 4. It is smaller than you think.

Yep, I second this (as someone who played it). At a certain point, I had done almost everything, got bored, and moved on. There is a lot of stuff in Fallout 4, but the world isn't even a fraction of the size of ESO. And there just isn't much left to do after a while. Once you finish the main story, finish the faction quests and all the little side quests, that's all there is really. You can keep building up your settlements and doing the same radiant quests over and over. But why would you?

Even when you finish the massive amount of single player stuff in ESO (through all three faction's zones), there is at least PvP arenas, trials, guilds, DLC, etc. to give you something to do.

Well eso world is zones not a free open world where anything could happen. And its not really detailed and other than the quests there are no reason or Any fun to just walk around and Explore becouse there isnt much to explore.

Eso world size cannot be compared to a game such as fallout or other elder scrolls games becouse they are built so different.

The problem with fallour 4 is, there is too much loot - so much that it is meaningless to even pick it up anymore - and why explore at all, if not for the loot or something interesting to find. But due to your settlements you have all in mass amounts, there is no reason after a while to go out and get more stuff - you are already drowning in stuff.

I actually had this issue with Skyrim. I'm a compulsive looter, and many of my dungeon runs revolved around managing my inventory so I could haul off as much as possible to sell to town merchants later. At a certain point I realized that I had a stupid amount of money that I didn't really need anymore, which pretty much killed my motivation to keep dungeon diving.

I should probably go back at some point and explore the areas I haven't been to yet, but it's been much more enjoyable to move on to a new world to explore and new characters to build up.

The most interesting thing to me about the ESO economy, as compared to both Skyrim and the previous MMO I played, is that while getting and selling loot and making money are still integral to the game (unless you decide to avoid them entirely), I don't find myself needing to make money to do what I want to do. I can make my own nice gear or just use the best loot drops I get, so I'm not limited to what I can buy from other players for whatever exorbitant prices they charge. I've been using 90% of my income to increase my storage space (so I can hold more stuff so I can make more money so I can hold more stuff...) and honestly I'm not sure what I'll use money for when my inventories are maxed out. Maybe by then I'll need fancy jewelry or something.

But yeah I'm a Skyrim transplant who also appreciates MMOs and thinks ESO is pretty rad. So that makes it everyone -1.