Why does everyone still think this is skyrim 2.0

Lysette · February 2016

keybaud wrote: »

It began with people watching Angry Job's review I believe

Well, Angry Joe put it right, it was painfully average and not worth playing at the time, half finished, unpolished and a major cash grab for what was presented. A lot of fans did not join in, but waited for things to change, and they changed and are still changing. Nowadays I have hope for that ESO will have a bright future, but when it was released, I really lost all hope that this would ever happen. With Tamriel unlimited there was finally remarkable change and it is ongoing - so my hope has returned because ZOS showed, they can change to the better. I appreciate that and support the game with voluntarily subscribing.

So don't blame Angry Joe - he brought things to the point at the time of release, it was an honest review.

Tandor · February 2016

ESO has one similarity to Skyrim in my experience. I don't get bothered by zone chat in Skyrim because there isn't any, and I don't get bothered by zone chat in ESO because I disable it.

Lysette · February 2016

What makes ESO feel similar to a single-player experience is that combat has no target lock (but unfortunately still auto-aiming) and that I can switch between 1st and 3rd person view. What I did not like in other MMOs which I tried was that there was no 1st person view and this uncomfortable need to first "lock on" to your target was unnatural. What I am missing is real aiming with a bow, because this is fun to have to consider distance and movement of the target, elevate the bow accordingly and aim at bit in front of the target to compensate for the predicted motion of the target while the arrow is in the air. But ok, it is an MMO, it is fun as well as it is, I am just missing it.

Browiseth · February 2016

you mean this isn't Skyrim 2?

Alucardo · February 2016

Don't worry. Once TESVI is released they will all don their iron helmets, pick up their 2h battle axe and leave anyway

Lysette · February 2016

Alucardo wrote: »

Don't worry. Once TESVI is released they will all don their iron helmets, pick up their 2h battle axe and leave anyway

For a little while maybe - my personal experience is, if I fire up Oblivion or Skyrim now, after a while I am missing other people around. ESO is changing how you view your single-player games.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · February 2016

I cant really blame people. This is just a ESO skinned mediocre MMO. People expect more from an elder scrolls game. It isnt just people dont get mmos or like mmos. Millions and millions play them everyday. Its just this one isnt all that great. More so because we expect perfection from the elder scrolls.

SemiD4rkness · February 2016

You know what would be great? An mmo with skyrim graphics and Dark Souls gameplay

Robo_Hobo · February 2016

Why does everyone* still think that anytime someone mentions wanting a more Elder Scrolls feel to the game, they immediately assume the person wants Skyrim online?

It's as bad as automated responses from ZOS customer support everyone talks about, "This isn't Skyrim Online" being the copy-paste response to a comment/suggestion they didn't bother to fully read and/or comprehend.

"It'd be cool if we could sit down in chairs in taverns and use more objects in the world like in Skyrim."

"This isn't Skyrim Online!"

To be sure, there are some who truly do want Skyrim Online, or Skyrim with friends, and I can understand how that frustrates people. What with suggestions about Dragons flying around and attacking indiscriminately like in Skyrim and such, or in the case of those who use the term simply to mean more single-player elements - suggestions that make single player overly-dominant to the point that it detracts from the multi-player experience (but then how much is everyone's own opinion...personally I'd love a lot of more solo-friendly features, but I wouldn't want multi-player to be second class in terms of priority for development, meanwhile there's people that would probably want the game to be impossible to log in without other people, meh), but the phrase is used far more than just for those instances, and against suggestions that could actually be really great.

By the way, for those who would actually be truly and non-sarcastically interested in such a thing, there actually is an unofficial Skyrim with friends/Skyrim Online mod for Skyrim, , it's still in development, but it looks pretty good so far, and made a lot of progress in a very short amount of time. Here's a video about it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-UK9QzfGlA

* when I say everyone I don't actually mean everyone, of course, but not having a disclaimer is just asking someone to disregard the post by pointing that out when it should already be obvious.

Unsent.Soul · February 2016

Solid_Metal wrote: »

thats why i hate those so called "TES fans", most of them just skyrim snob, i doubt they even play oblivion , morrowind etc

i even heard/read some people said "Skyrim got better story than ESO", like seriously?, theres even LESS or almost non-existent story in Skyrim, if not because of mods i probably would not spend 400 hours on it

oblivion still much better than skyrim

Those are called opinions... people have those from time to time. This whole thread is about other players opinions. Let it be, they bought the game, they have a right to say what they want.

Bitching about other peoples opinion and getting butt hurt doesn't accomplish anything.

WalkingLegacy · February 2016

I think they're confused because the developers keep pushing solo content down our throats.

Glaiceana · February 2016

Because of Skyrim's popularity, a lot of people will have bought this game, thinking it must be "Skyrim Online", and they may never have played an MMO before. This is why there is a lot of confusion. Also, imagine the people who have played Skyrim so much, their friends or family members may remember this, and see "The Elder Scrolls Online", and then buy it for them, thinking "well its the next one isn't it?" You have to think of the people who know nothing about the series, franchise, or lore, or even about games in general, they just see the title and its all one and the same to them.

Snowstrider · February 2016

Many people hoped and thought this was going to be a open world sandbox game with freedom like skyrim and other elder scrolls games. Devs always marketed it as elder scrolls with friends. Sure it got little bit of TES feel but it isnt the game people hoped and thought it was. It was more of a themepark mmo.

I still like eso for what it is but I understand why people are Dissapointed becouse they thought this game was something that it isnt

Islyn · February 2016

Wait, this isn't Skyrim 2.0?

Islyn · February 2016

LiquidSchwartz wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

I like this elderscrolls game its one of the best ones but I loved skyrim and oblvion as well.
Also soonish they will be putting this in the crown store for the skyrim fans
and these

this is one of my favorite games of all time even with all of its flaws
I just don't see why people always talk about skyrim

See and when I first saw that 'skyrim' armor with the Crypt thing behind them, I Logged off and fire up Skyrim xD

Islyn · February 2016

Alucardo wrote: »

Don't worry. Once TESVI is released they will all don their iron helmets, pick up their 2h battle axe and leave anyway

You fkn bet hunny! It's gonna be a straight week of Adult Diapers, Pizza Delivery and a 10 gallon drum of Diet Coke.

I'm not leaving PC for a week.

(Not really, but only minimally....)

Elsonso · February 2016

LiquidSchwartz wrote: »

I can't go anywhere with area chat on without hearing at least 10 people complaining that this isn't like skyrim and it is the worst elder scrolls ever made. Where did the misconception begin? I never thought this was going to be like skyrim. I didn't feel like Zos and Bethesda advertised it to be like anything other than it is. Who is telling people this is supposed to be anything like skyrim and not an mmo?

Skyrim was very popular, so naturally people are thinking that what ZOS did was make a version of Skyrim that was multiplayer. That is not what ZOS did. Instead, they re-invented the brand as an MMO. Bethesda does this each release with the single player Elder Scrolls game, but to a smaller extent. It usually causes much gnashing of teeth among the Elder Scrolls fans.

nordsavage wrote: »

The publisher and developers literally called this game "Skyrim with friends." How dare people who come here from traditional Elder Scrolls expect an experience similar to what they know.

This is a telling statement. What ZOS and Bethesda Softworks called this game was "Elder Scrolls with friends". I don't think they ever said anything about "Skyrim with friends", but if you can find the reference from ZOS or Bethesda Softworks that says that exact phrase, I will accept that. The real issue is that, due to the popularity of Skyrim, people think Elder Scrolls = Skyrim. They are surprised when it is not. In fact, Skyrim is Elder Scrolls but Elder Scrolls is not Skyrim.

Lysette wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Don't worry. Once TESVI is released they will all don their iron helmets, pick up their 2h battle axe and leave anyway

For a little while maybe - my personal experience is, if I fire up Oblivion or Skyrim now, after a while I am missing other people around. ESO is changing how you view your single-player games.

Yeah, I started a Skyrim game months ago because I wanted to check on something in the game, and Skyrim was such a fun game to play. After spending a day trying to get all the mods working again, I managed to make it all the way to Riverwood and realized how lonely the game was. I never made it to Whiterun. My poor escaped prisoner is standing on the side of a mountain on the way to some barrow that I cannot name, and has been for the last several months. I assume he is frozen to death by now.

Having said all of the above, I do wish that ZOS had made some different core decisions in the game and followed more of an Elder Scrolls approach. The biggest one is the magic-based class system. I wish that had ditched class system in favor of a skill system and then stocked it with a mix of skills that allowed the player to build the character around magicka and stamina, offensive and defensive, threat vs dps vs healing, etc. The downside is that it would be too easy to make unbalanced characters, but they could have offered "templates" built around roles/jobs/archetypes that would have provided a starting place.

MornaBaine · February 2016

It doesn't matter that this game isn't made by Bethesda. What matters is that it's called Elder Scrolls. Ergo, it SHOULD be as faithful to its predecessors as possible. Otherwise it's like when you go to see a movie adaptation of one of your favorite books and it's NOTHING like the book. That ticks me off. So I completely get why ES fans want this game to be as close as possible to the single players games while allowing for the MMO element. That expectation actually makes sense.

Mettaricana · February 2016

Kinda wish skyrim would die off by now its hype is over and people who've never heard of elder scrolls outside of skyrim just keep crying over it. I played it beat everything tried a few play types stealth brawler mage etc had my fun now its dead ready for es6 and more eso dlc. Just like I tell every noob who jumped onboard eso saying I wanna be a heavy armor spell casting conjuration warrior with illusion spells! I just say nope if your from a skyrim forget entire game I mean everything.

Lysette · February 2016

Mettaricana wrote: »

Kinda wish skyrim would die off by now its hype is over and people who've never heard of elder scrolls outside of skyrim just keep crying over it. I played it beat everything tried a few play types stealth brawler mage etc had my fun now its dead ready for es6 and more eso dlc. Just like I tell every noob who jumped onboard eso saying I wanna be a heavy armor spell casting conjuration warrior with illusion spells! I just say nope if your from a skyrim forget entire game I mean everything.

I definitely miss the school of illusion - but I can see, that it would be problematic to implement mind bending sorcery in an MMO with PvP. Still, there is an illusion effect in the NB class - Aspect of Terror. Oh those times, when this was a Khajiit ability (in Oblivion). I am still playing Oblivion and Skyrim, but I stopped playing Morrowind some years ago. But I know a couple of online-friends who are still playing Morrowind - I doubt that these games will be forgotten anytime soon.

Lysette · February 2016

lordrichter wrote: »

LiquidSchwartz wrote: »

I can't go anywhere with area chat on without hearing at least 10 people complaining that this isn't like skyrim and it is the worst elder scrolls ever made. Where did the misconception begin? I never thought this was going to be like skyrim. I didn't feel like Zos and Bethesda advertised it to be like anything other than it is. Who is telling people this is supposed to be anything like skyrim and not an mmo?

Skyrim was very popular, so naturally people are thinking that what ZOS did was make a version of Skyrim that was multiplayer. That is not what ZOS did. Instead, they re-invented the brand as an MMO. Bethesda does this each release with the single player Elder Scrolls game, but to a smaller extent. It usually causes much gnashing of teeth among the Elder Scrolls fans.

nordsavage wrote: »

The publisher and developers literally called this game "Skyrim with friends." How dare people who come here from traditional Elder Scrolls expect an experience similar to what they know.

This is a telling statement. What ZOS and Bethesda Softworks called this game was "Elder Scrolls with friends". I don't think they ever said anything about "Skyrim with friends", but if you can find the reference from ZOS or Bethesda Softworks that says that exact phrase, I will accept that. The real issue is that, due to the popularity of Skyrim, people think Elder Scrolls = Skyrim. They are surprised when it is not. In fact, Skyrim is Elder Scrolls but Elder Scrolls is not Skyrim.

Lysette wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Don't worry. Once TESVI is released they will all don their iron helmets, pick up their 2h battle axe and leave anyway

For a little while maybe - my personal experience is, if I fire up Oblivion or Skyrim now, after a while I am missing other people around. ESO is changing how you view your single-player games.

Yeah, I started a Skyrim game months ago because I wanted to check on something in the game, and Skyrim was such a fun game to play. After spending a day trying to get all the mods working again, I managed to make it all the way to Riverwood and realized how lonely the game was. I never made it to Whiterun. My poor escaped prisoner is standing on the side of a mountain on the way to some barrow that I cannot name, and has been for the last several months. I assume he is frozen to death by now.

Having said all of the above, I do wish that ZOS had made some different core decisions in the game and followed more of an Elder Scrolls approach. The biggest one is the magic-based class system. I wish that had ditched class system in favor of a skill system and then stocked it with a mix of skills that allowed the player to build the character around magicka and stamina, offensive and defensive, threat vs dps vs healing, etc. The downside is that it would be too easy to make unbalanced characters, but they could have offered "templates" built around roles/jobs/archetypes that would have provided a starting place.

Haha, how could you manage to forget Bleakfalls Barrow?- this is basically the starter-quest for getting dragons in the game; as long as you don't complete this quest, there will be no dragons beside that one in the intro.

BabeestorGor · February 2016

MornaBaine wrote: »

It doesn't matter that this game isn't made by Bethesda. What matters is that it's called Elder Scrolls. Ergo, it SHOULD be as faithful to its predecessors as possible. Otherwise it's like when you go to see a movie adaptation of one of your favorite books and it's NOTHING like the book. That ticks me off. So I completely get why ES fans want this game to be as close as possible to the single players games while allowing for the MMO element. That expectation actually makes sense.

But each installment in the TES series changed things dramatically
DF fans were outraged by MW
MW fans (myself included at the time) were outraged by Oblivion
Oblivion fans were outraged by Skyrim
Which of these predecessors should ESO be faithful to since there are major differences between them?

Lysette · February 2016

BabeestorGor wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

It doesn't matter that this game isn't made by Bethesda. What matters is that it's called Elder Scrolls. Ergo, it SHOULD be as faithful to its predecessors as possible. Otherwise it's like when you go to see a movie adaptation of one of your favorite books and it's NOTHING like the book. That ticks me off. So I completely get why ES fans want this game to be as close as possible to the single players games while allowing for the MMO element. That expectation actually makes sense.

But each installment in the TES series changed things dramatically
DF fans were outraged by MW
MW fans (myself included at the time) were outraged by Oblivion
Oblivion fans were outraged by Skyrim
Which of these predecessors should ESO be faithful to since there are major differences between them?

This is very true, not even the player races and their abilities are consistent between those installments.

Edit: IMO Oblivion was the best seen from the opportunities it offered - spell crafting was just awesome f.e.

EnemyOfDaState · February 2016

BabeestorGor wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

It doesn't matter that this game isn't made by Bethesda. What matters is that it's called Elder Scrolls. Ergo, it SHOULD be as faithful to its predecessors as possible. Otherwise it's like when you go to see a movie adaptation of one of your favorite books and it's NOTHING like the book. That ticks me off. So I completely get why ES fans want this game to be as close as possible to the single players games while allowing for the MMO element. That expectation actually makes sense.

But each installment in the TES series changed things dramatically
DF fans were outraged by MW
MW fans (myself included at the time) were outraged by Oblivion
Oblivion fans were outraged by Skyrim
Which of these predecessors should ESO be faithful to since there are major differences between them?

Thank You. Outside of the lore (which ZOS has done a decent job with) none of the Elder scrolls games have been all that similar.

kirk_lewis_ESO · February 2016

I didn't even finish Dawnguard's story but i'm running around in ESO collecting collectibles. It's more fun than Skyrim to me but once Ark survival drops out of early access with VR support, i'm taking a break from ESO.

Moonshadow66 · February 2016

Tbh, I've never heard anyone in the game complaining about ESO not being Skyrim 2.0 or stuff like that. Personally, I didn't expect it to be that either, why would I?

nordsavage · February 2016

Darkonflare15 wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

LiquidSchwartz wrote: »

xskinzcity wrote: »

Who cares!

I do. I don't like hearing about how bad Christmas noobs think this game is because it's not a multiplayer skyrim

The publisher and developers literally called this game "Skyrim with friends." How dare people who come here from traditional Elder Scrolls expect an experience similar to what they know. Not all of us are MMO jockeys. Frankly I think this game would have been better off if it were a traditional ES combat style instead of classes. I can understand the graphics needing to be a certain way and a certain generalization to everything due to it being massively multiplayer but ESO is an Elder Scrolls in theme only.

Traditional elder scrolls scrolls series had classes and eight attributes. That all changed when Skyrim happen. Even then elder scrolls series also known for bland and choppy combat. The combat in Eso is way better than the past elder scrolls games. I mean I love Morrowind but that combat gave me so many nightmares and frustrations until I found out about the fortify skill glitch to make my character god mode.

You still had the option to completely customize abilities and stats no matter the type. That makes those presets and not classes. But that is beside the point.

ColoursYouHave · February 2016

I think its funny that there are tons of people that still think Skyrim is a standalone game, not realizing that it is actually the 5th game in a much larger series. But I really don't understand how people can be upset that ESO doesn't have a lot of things that other TES games had. It should be expected that some things simply need to play differently when you're creating a new game in a different genre. Just look at Warcraft and World of Warcraft. Is it really that shocking that there have to be a lot of differences between an RTS and an MMO? All ESO did was take a preexisting game series, and create an installment in an entirely new genre. And since different genres require different things, it should be obvious that there will be aspects of ESO that are much different than in previous TES games. And all things considered, I think ZOS did a fairly good job keeping as true to the TES series as possible while moving the series into an entirely new genre. That being said, I really don't care when people are disappointed that this isn't "Skyrim 2" or "Skyrim with friends." If you don't like the game, find something else to play and move on, its not the end of the world...

KanedaSyndrome wrote: »

LiquidSchwartz wrote: »

I can't go anywhere with area chat on without hearing at least 10 people complaining that this isn't like skyrim and it is the worst elder scrolls ever made. Where did the misconception begin? I never thought this was going to be like skyrim. I didn't feel like Zos and Bethesda advertised it to be like anything other than it is. Who is telling people this is supposed to be anything like skyrim and not an mmo?

I think the problem is that a lot of people actually want Skyrim with friends and they had hoped ESO would be just that. This should perhaps be a hint to Bethesda that people actually want some sort of multiplayer in their Elder Scrolls games. I know I do at least.

I actually think some sort of TES game with multiplayer capability (like, maybe up to 4 players) would be really awesome. It could be designed just like previous TES games, but with the ability to invite other players into your world. It something I've actually wanted for a long time (like, way back when I was still playing Oblivion). I'd imagine it wouldn't be thaaaat difficult to do, and by designing it as a cooperative RPG rather than an MMORPG, they wouldn't have to worry about all the concerns associated with developing an MMO, allowing them to create something less like ESO and more like Skyrim.

Mojmir · February 2016

eso will never be skyrim, no fus ro dah or *** mods,

spoqster · February 2016

The real question is "Why shouldn't it be?" Skyrim is a good game and was a huge success - arguably more successful than ESO.

I think it would make the game better if the world were truly open and you wouldn't be locked in to stamina or magicka builds. ZOS had the great chance to create a truly revolutionary MMO, but instead they decided to re-use many old and out-dated mechanics.

See here for more detailed thoughts: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/245689/five-user-experiences-that-are-still-fundamentally-broken-in-eso-an-open-letter