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Props to Rich and ZOS
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vyrusb23✭✭✭✭✭Pepper8Jack wrote: »Just watched tonight's "We are ESO" Stream, and I wanted to give a quick shout out to @ZOS_RichLambert, and the rest of the dev team.
You guys catch a lot of flack sometimes, and people love to bastardize the dev team, but you should know that there are plenty of players out there who love and appreciate the ridiculous amount of work you guys put in every day of every week making this game great.
There are so many outspoken, rage-filled people on here and in the streams that the voices of those who want to be helpful and constructive often get drowned out. The thing to remember is that the only reason those negative, berating people are so aggressive is because you've created something that they, and the rest of us, have come to love and develop a deep, unrelenting passion for this game. That passion gets the better of us sometimes.
In short, I just want to commend you all for taking your passion and building something that the rest of us can get so passionate about. ESO has been, and likely will be for quite some time, my #1 (free) time sink.
All I can say to you for that, is thank you. It's good to know that the people behind my favorite pastime are listening to what I have to say. It's truly an amazing thing when you have some of a game's top players together having a discussion and they can look at the audience and say "ZOS is watching this".
So to ZOS:
On behalf of those of us that feel as though we've been drowned out; Thank you for this game, and everything you've done trying to keep this incredibly complex and diverse player base happy and engaged. Thank you for never ceasing your efforts at making it even better since launch. Thank you for continuing to listen to us, despite the negativity you face.
Thank you.
And to the players of ESO:
If you want your opinion, suggestion, or idea to be heard; Turn off your caps lock, keep away from that exclamation mark key, and remember to be constructive in your discussions. They mean it when they say they're listening, and they're working harder than you'll ever know, so try to cut them some slack before you rage.
Couldn't agree more. Kudos to the dev team for cranking out one of the best MMOs I've ever played.1 -
vyrusb23✭✭✭✭✭Publius_Scipio wrote: »
If they get payed from us cause we are buying playing there game then they need to listen to there community better we have been asking for stamina sorcerers changes for awhile now yet none ever happen only once in awhile possibly yet magicka sorcerers always get attention I just don't understand the only reason stamina sorcerers are fewer then magicka sorcerers because of the limited options stamina sorcerers have this is got to do with zos fault and because there isn't many they like to ignore stamina sorcerers and make no changes so in my opinion zos team still isn't all that great at some things
Google translate is not a replacement for learning to type the language.3 -
Publius_Scipio✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭If it makes anyone feel better, Halo Master Chief Collection was a disaster at launch. I still don't know if they ironed everything out. Batman Arkham Knight on PC was such a bug riddled mess that it was delayed and, pulled off Steam, and eventually players were given full refunds and the Mac version of the game completely scrapped.
Let's see, Superman 64 was horrible. Assassins Creed Unity had bugs, they couldn't fix some of them and Ubisoft issued a public apology. Drive Club on PS4 similar story.
You should all blame yourselves. You blood thirsty gamers wanting more and more constantly. Those here in my age range will agree with me that all we ever wanted were those 16 bit graphics and midi music. Now you all want mega bands/singers and full orchestras to record the game music in full 7.1 surround sound. You all want voice acting from big name Hollywood actors. What happened to reading all that text in Morrowind?
It's Super Bowl Sunday. Go enjoy yourselves.Edited by Publius_Scipio on February 7, 2016 3:01PM7 -
Pepper8Jack✭✭✭I'd love if it was true what you say, but often when something goes wrong, we don't even get proper info, because there are "off hours" at ZOS. I don't think that's a good testament to "the ridiculous amount of work you guys put in every day of every week" if you're running a global MMO game.
Is this seriously a complaint? You're upset because the developers get to go home, and aren't caged up in their cubicles 24/7?0 -
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✭Pepper8Jack wrote: »I'd love if it was true what you say, but often when something goes wrong, we don't even get proper info, because there are "off hours" at ZOS. I don't think that's a good testament to "the ridiculous amount of work you guys put in every day of every week" if you're running a global MMO game.
Is this seriously a complaint? You're upset because the developers get to go home, and aren't caged up in their cubicles 24/7?
Are you serious? They are providing 24/7 service dont they?1 -
Pepper8Jack✭✭✭It's even worse then what I thought you believe if your constructive you Wil get more attention on things especially stamina sorcerers lol I think not people have already tried to be this way and it hasn't got them no where I think someone needs to try and be more foward and demanding then constructive I guess its the only thing they understand just look at the whole situation about text chat us console players finally got text chat from basically demanding it lolSo naive with lowered expectaions
True
First, being constructive is the best way to be heard, but that doesn't mean it's going to make it into the game on a hotfix next week. You could constructively say: "For reasons x,y,z, I think ESO would be far more balanced and fun if my character was 3x stronger than everyone else in the game at all times." A constructively put forward bad idea is still a bad idea.
Second, they can't cater to the demands of each individual player. Just like in life, you need to be a part of the majority for change to come about.
Third, "people should try being more forward and demanding..." How did you manage to make it to this post without realizing how much more often people have "tried" that approach compared to being reasonable?
I'm not saying constructive = change, I'm saying being constructive is the best way to get the ball rolling. If you want to be taken seriously, you need to put forward your idea or complaint in a manner that shows that you a reasonable, logical adult and not a demanding child.
Imagine you were ZOS, some of you are pulling 60 hour+ weeks to get TG finished, and you post the patch notes then think "I wonder what the players think about what we've done?". All you see is the forums covered in posts like: "**** you ZOS!!!!", "WHERE'S MY STAM SORC BUFFS YOU PRICKS?!!!!!!", "RIP BoL, ZOS has no idea what they're doing". How inclined would you be to talk with those people? Or even read those posts?
The problem here is entitlement. Yes you paid for the game, and you got one hell of a game. Okay you're paying the subscription, so you get post game support. What you aren't paying for is @ZOS_GinaBruno responding to forum posts from bed, or @ZOS_RichLambert watching (and talking to) the top PvPers in the game after hours, but that's what we get. We get that because these people are just as passionate about the game as we are, I think most people forget that at times.Edited by Pepper8Jack on February 7, 2016 6:06PM1 -
Pepper8Jack✭✭✭Pepper8Jack wrote: »I'd love if it was true what you say, but often when something goes wrong, we don't even get proper info, because there are "off hours" at ZOS. I don't think that's a good testament to "the ridiculous amount of work you guys put in every day of every week" if you're running a global MMO game.
Is this seriously a complaint? You're upset because the developers get to go home, and aren't caged up in their cubicles 24/7?
Are you serious? They are providing 24/7 service dont they?
So because the game is live 24/7 the devs should be shackled to their desks 24/7?
I can't believe this is even a topic.
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✭✭I'll just leave this here. I doubt anyone that actually needs to will read it but there's always a chance.
forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/98564/how-to-make-a-developer-listen-to-you
Edited by Xendyn on February 7, 2016 6:07PMLag is ruinin' my 'mershun!
A society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they know they shall never sit in.
There is only one good, knowledge, and one evil, ignorance - Socrates
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✭Pepper8Jack wrote: »Pepper8Jack wrote: »I'd love if it was true what you say, but often when something goes wrong, we don't even get proper info, because there are "off hours" at ZOS. I don't think that's a good testament to "the ridiculous amount of work you guys put in every day of every week" if you're running a global MMO game.
Is this seriously a complaint? You're upset because the developers get to go home, and aren't caged up in their cubicles 24/7?
Are you serious? They are providing 24/7 service dont they?
So because the game is live 24/7 the devs should be shackled to their desks 24/7?
I can't believe this is even a topic.
Not the devs, but if you run global business, you have to have some ppl on at every time. That's common sense.Georgion - Bosmer/Templar - PC/EU2 -
Bossdonut✭✭✭✭✭Yes excellent job nerfing templars again. Many nights away from the family to come to that intellectually sound decision.0
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Pepper8Jack✭✭✭Pepper8Jack wrote: »Pepper8Jack wrote: »I'd love if it was true what you say, but often when something goes wrong, we don't even get proper info, because there are "off hours" at ZOS. I don't think that's a good testament to "the ridiculous amount of work you guys put in every day of every week" if you're running a global MMO game.
Is this seriously a complaint? You're upset because the developers get to go home, and aren't caged up in their cubicles 24/7?
Are you serious? They are providing 24/7 service dont they?
So because the game is live 24/7 the devs should be shackled to their desks 24/7?
I can't believe this is even a topic.
Not the devs, but if you run global business, you have to have some ppl on at every time. That's common sense.
I wouldn't call it global. International yes, but there's only servers for NA/EU. Besides, just because no one is on the forums replying to players at the wee hours of the morning for every time zone doesn't mean there's no one staffing ZOS at those times. Not everyone in the company is allowed to post as a dev.0 -
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✭Pepper8Jack wrote: »Pepper8Jack wrote: »Pepper8Jack wrote: »I'd love if it was true what you say, but often when something goes wrong, we don't even get proper info, because there are "off hours" at ZOS. I don't think that's a good testament to "the ridiculous amount of work you guys put in every day of every week" if you're running a global MMO game.
Is this seriously a complaint? You're upset because the developers get to go home, and aren't caged up in their cubicles 24/7?
Are you serious? They are providing 24/7 service dont they?
So because the game is live 24/7 the devs should be shackled to their desks 24/7?
I can't believe this is even a topic.
Not the devs, but if you run global business, you have to have some ppl on at every time. That's common sense.
I wouldn't call it global. International yes, but there's only servers for NA/EU. Besides, just because no one is on the forums replying to players at the wee hours of the morning for every time zone doesn't mean there's no one staffing ZOS at those times. Not everyone in the company is allowed to post as a dev.
And that's why I said they should have at least 1 person ready to update the forums at every time.Georgion - Bosmer/Templar - PC/EU0 -
Pepper8Jack✭✭✭Pepper8Jack wrote: »Pepper8Jack wrote: »Pepper8Jack wrote: »I'd love if it was true what you say, but often when something goes wrong, we don't even get proper info, because there are "off hours" at ZOS. I don't think that's a good testament to "the ridiculous amount of work you guys put in every day of every week" if you're running a global MMO game.
Is this seriously a complaint? You're upset because the developers get to go home, and aren't caged up in their cubicles 24/7?
Are you serious? They are providing 24/7 service dont they?
So because the game is live 24/7 the devs should be shackled to their desks 24/7?
I can't believe this is even a topic.
Not the devs, but if you run global business, you have to have some ppl on at every time. That's common sense.
I wouldn't call it global. International yes, but there's only servers for NA/EU. Besides, just because no one is on the forums replying to players at the wee hours of the morning for every time zone doesn't mean there's no one staffing ZOS at those times. Not everyone in the company is allowed to post as a dev.
And that's why I said they should have at least 1 person ready to update the forums at every time.
You didn't specify what "on" meant so forgive me for not understanding you. At this point we'd be going into a discussion of the logistics of staffing 24/7 and without info that only ZOS would have (player activity, frequency of server meltdowns, number of staff on hand) this conversation will turn completely hypothetical, and that just wouldn't be a worthwhile discussion.
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Pepper8Jack✭✭✭I'll just leave this here. I doubt anyone that actually needs to will read it but there's always a chance.
forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/98564/how-to-make-a-developer-listen-to-you
This should be required reading before posting on the forums.0 -
J2JMC✭✭✭✭✭To all those screaming in here about Stamina Sorc;
Go ask in WoW for a stamina sorcerer. Or a sorcerer that wears any heavy armour.
Go ask in Guild Wars 2 for a stamina sorcerer.
Oh. That's right. You can't. Because most MMO's won't allow anything outside of a magic using sorcerer. Zenimax have been very good with allowing freedom of choice on classes and builds. You most certainly can play any way you want. But did they say that any build that you think of will destroy everyone else? No. They did not. Not even slightly.
So go ahead and throw your toys out of the pram because you think Zenimax owes it to you to cater to every single thing that you want.
Some have made it work, but some haven't. If you're going to go against the grain of things like sorcerer being magic based, don't expect to always be pandered to.
@JD2013
Why is it that mag templars and mag dks can *** about low damage and mobility, but stam sorcs can't complain about not being relevant at all? Both those classes already have roles to fill. Stam sorcs literally don't have anything. Yet classes who are already great at something(healing and sustained dps respectively) can still ask for more?
The play as you want philosophy is what really messed this game up and if taking that away means it's not an elder scroll game then I wish this game just released as a single player/co-op adventure. Alternative the game releasing as a true action mmo without the elder scroll title would also be fine. The people would understand class balance is about being strong at some things while being weak at others and NOT everyone being able to do the same thing. Does this idea limit variety. Most definitely. However, class balance is much easier to maintain that way.Knee Jerk, L2P, Obtuse, Casual, Entitled, All The Best, unnecessary mention of CoD
Battle leveling for pve content defeats the idea of progression. Remove CP
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Pepper8Jack✭✭✭To all those screaming in here about Stamina Sorc;
Go ask in WoW for a stamina sorcerer. Or a sorcerer that wears any heavy armour.
Go ask in Guild Wars 2 for a stamina sorcerer.
Oh. That's right. You can't. Because most MMO's won't allow anything outside of a magic using sorcerer. Zenimax have been very good with allowing freedom of choice on classes and builds. You most certainly can play any way you want. But did they say that any build that you think of will destroy everyone else? No. They did not. Not even slightly.
So go ahead and throw your toys out of the pram because you think Zenimax owes it to you to cater to every single thing that you want.
Some have made it work, but some haven't. If you're going to go against the grain of things like sorcerer being magic based, don't expect to always be pandered to.
@JD2013
Why is it that mag templars and mag dks can *** about low damage and mobility, but stam sorcs can't complain about not being relevant at all? Both those classes already have roles to fill. Stam sorcs literally don't have anything. Yet classes who are already great at something(healing and sustained dps respectively) can still ask for more?
The play as you want philosophy is what really messed this game up and if taking that away means it's not an elder scroll game then I wish this game just released as a single player/co-op adventure. Alternative the game releasing as a true action mmo without the elder scroll title would also be fine. The people would understand class balance is about being strong at some things while being weak at others and NOT everyone being able to do the same thing. Does this idea limit variety. Most definitely. However, class balance is much easier to maintain that way.
Personally, I think the issue is that stam sorcs are simply underplayed as a class, so they don't get enough publicity. The more popular classes are always going to drown out the minority, but then factor in that most of the stam sorc posts are just rage posts and you're left with a very select few opportunities for reasonable, coherent stam sorc players to get spotted by ZOS.
All you can do if you want change is to keep calmly posting about it, keep making reasonable suggestions for change, and hopefully we'll see them implement those changes. We did already see the passive changes, which were heavily requested, so it's not like they are closed off to the idea.
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Teflondon75✭✭Pepper8Jack wrote: »To all those screaming in here about Stamina Sorc;
Go ask in WoW for a stamina sorcerer. Or a sorcerer that wears any heavy armour.
Go ask in Guild Wars 2 for a stamina sorcerer.
Oh. That's right. You can't. Because most MMO's won't allow anything outside of a magic using sorcerer. Zenimax have been very good with allowing freedom of choice on classes and builds. You most certainly can play any way you want. But did they say that any build that you think of will destroy everyone else? No. They did not. Not even slightly.
So go ahead and throw your toys out of the pram because you think Zenimax owes it to you to cater to every single thing that you want.
Some have made it work, but some haven't. If you're going to go against the grain of things like sorcerer being magic based, don't expect to always be pandered to.
@JD2013
Why is it that mag templars and mag dks can *** about low damage and mobility, but stam sorcs can't complain about not being relevant at all? Both those classes already have roles to fill. Stam sorcs literally don't have anything. Yet classes who are already great at something(healing and sustained dps respectively) can still ask for more?
The play as you want philosophy is what really messed this game up and if taking that away means it's not an elder scroll game then I wish this game just released as a single player/co-op adventure. Alternative the game releasing as a true action mmo without the elder scroll title would also be fine. The people would understand class balance is about being strong at some things while being weak at others and NOT everyone being able to do the same thing. Does this idea limit variety. Most definitely. However, class balance is much easier to maintain that way.
Personally, I think the issue is that stam sorcs are simply underplayed as a class, so they don't get enough publicity. The more popular classes are always going to drown out the minority, but then factor in that most of the stam sorc posts are just rage posts and you're left with a very select few opportunities for reasonable, coherent stam sorc players to get spotted by ZOS.
All you can do if you want change is to keep calmly posting about it, keep making reasonable suggestions for change, and hopefully we'll see them implement those changes. We did already see the passive changes, which were heavily requested, so it's not like they are closed off to the idea.
This is a fair statement. At the same time, I know there have been at least "Some" well done posts on this with a lot of activity and yet stamina sorc is still absolute bottom barrel from day one till now. NB, stam/magica excellent. DK(yes, mag dk in pvp had troubles but otherwise) both excellent. So you have Templar and sorcs who are weak as heck in stam and at least Temps were Very viable for some time in that regard, just less so now. It's like Argonians and Nords, yes I know khajit is broken atm :P, or like heavy armor vs med/light.
At some point fun and fairness > lore or traditional path for each class in Other games. Simply put, when people feel neglected they get mad over time, and considering it's literally been years for ESO it's at least somewhat understandable. Quitting, while technically an option, is complete hog crap of a response.0 -
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✭Pepper8Jack wrote: »To all those screaming in here about Stamina Sorc;
Go ask in WoW for a stamina sorcerer. Or a sorcerer that wears any heavy armour.
Go ask in Guild Wars 2 for a stamina sorcerer.
Oh. That's right. You can't. Because most MMO's won't allow anything outside of a magic using sorcerer. Zenimax have been very good with allowing freedom of choice on classes and builds. You most certainly can play any way you want. But did they say that any build that you think of will destroy everyone else? No. They did not. Not even slightly.
So go ahead and throw your toys out of the pram because you think Zenimax owes it to you to cater to every single thing that you want.
Some have made it work, but some haven't. If you're going to go against the grain of things like sorcerer being magic based, don't expect to always be pandered to.
@JD2013
Why is it that mag templars and mag dks can *** about low damage and mobility, but stam sorcs can't complain about not being relevant at all? Both those classes already have roles to fill. Stam sorcs literally don't have anything. Yet classes who are already great at something(healing and sustained dps respectively) can still ask for more?
The play as you want philosophy is what really messed this game up and if taking that away means it's not an elder scroll game then I wish this game just released as a single player/co-op adventure. Alternative the game releasing as a true action mmo without the elder scroll title would also be fine. The people would understand class balance is about being strong at some things while being weak at others and NOT everyone being able to do the same thing. Does this idea limit variety. Most definitely. However, class balance is much easier to maintain that way.
Personally, I think the issue is that stam sorcs are simply underplayed as a class, so they don't get enough publicity. The more popular classes are always going to drown out the minority, but then factor in that most of the stam sorc posts are just rage posts and you're left with a very select few opportunities for reasonable, coherent stam sorc players to get spotted by ZOS.
All you can do if you want change is to keep calmly posting about it, keep making reasonable suggestions for change, and hopefully we'll see them implement those changes. We did already see the passive changes, which were heavily requested, so it's not like they are closed off to the idea.
You're right to an extent, but let's not forget that feedback is not the only way the devs are supposed to get ideas. They are paid to come up with their own as well.Georgion - Bosmer/Templar - PC/EU0 -
Pepper8Jack✭✭✭Teflondon75 wrote: »Pepper8Jack wrote: »To all those screaming in here about Stamina Sorc;
Go ask in WoW for a stamina sorcerer. Or a sorcerer that wears any heavy armour.
Go ask in Guild Wars 2 for a stamina sorcerer.
Oh. That's right. You can't. Because most MMO's won't allow anything outside of a magic using sorcerer. Zenimax have been very good with allowing freedom of choice on classes and builds. You most certainly can play any way you want. But did they say that any build that you think of will destroy everyone else? No. They did not. Not even slightly.
So go ahead and throw your toys out of the pram because you think Zenimax owes it to you to cater to every single thing that you want.
Some have made it work, but some haven't. If you're going to go against the grain of things like sorcerer being magic based, don't expect to always be pandered to.
@JD2013
Why is it that mag templars and mag dks can *** about low damage and mobility, but stam sorcs can't complain about not being relevant at all? Both those classes already have roles to fill. Stam sorcs literally don't have anything. Yet classes who are already great at something(healing and sustained dps respectively) can still ask for more?
The play as you want philosophy is what really messed this game up and if taking that away means it's not an elder scroll game then I wish this game just released as a single player/co-op adventure. Alternative the game releasing as a true action mmo without the elder scroll title would also be fine. The people would understand class balance is about being strong at some things while being weak at others and NOT everyone being able to do the same thing. Does this idea limit variety. Most definitely. However, class balance is much easier to maintain that way.
Personally, I think the issue is that stam sorcs are simply underplayed as a class, so they don't get enough publicity. The more popular classes are always going to drown out the minority, but then factor in that most of the stam sorc posts are just rage posts and you're left with a very select few opportunities for reasonable, coherent stam sorc players to get spotted by ZOS.
All you can do if you want change is to keep calmly posting about it, keep making reasonable suggestions for change, and hopefully we'll see them implement those changes. We did already see the passive changes, which were heavily requested, so it's not like they are closed off to the idea.
This is a fair statement. At the same time, I know there have been at least "Some" well done posts on this with a lot of activity and yet stamina sorc is still absolute bottom barrel from day one till now. NB, stam/magica excellent. DK(yes, mag dk in pvp had troubles but otherwise) both excellent. So you have Templar and sorcs who are weak as heck in stam and at least Temps were Very viable for some time in that regard, just less so now. It's like Argonians and Nords, yes I know khajit is broken atm :P, or like heavy armor vs med/light.
At some point fun and fairness > lore or traditional path for each class in Other games. Simply put, when people feel neglected they get mad over time, and considering it's literally been years for ESO it's at least somewhat understandable. Quitting, while technically an option, is complete hog crap of a response.
I agree with you completely in regards to stam sorc and stamplars, and I've even been a part of the "some" you've mentioned. I do believe that in the interest of fairness that the two get some love, all I'm saying is that if we want to see those changes cone in then we need to keep bringing it up in a constructive manner. It just may take us a while due to being so underplayed.0 -
Pepper8Jack✭✭✭Pepper8Jack wrote: »To all those screaming in here about Stamina Sorc;
Go ask in WoW for a stamina sorcerer. Or a sorcerer that wears any heavy armour.
Go ask in Guild Wars 2 for a stamina sorcerer.
Oh. That's right. You can't. Because most MMO's won't allow anything outside of a magic using sorcerer. Zenimax have been very good with allowing freedom of choice on classes and builds. You most certainly can play any way you want. But did they say that any build that you think of will destroy everyone else? No. They did not. Not even slightly.
So go ahead and throw your toys out of the pram because you think Zenimax owes it to you to cater to every single thing that you want.
Some have made it work, but some haven't. If you're going to go against the grain of things like sorcerer being magic based, don't expect to always be pandered to.
@JD2013
Why is it that mag templars and mag dks can *** about low damage and mobility, but stam sorcs can't complain about not being relevant at all? Both those classes already have roles to fill. Stam sorcs literally don't have anything. Yet classes who are already great at something(healing and sustained dps respectively) can still ask for more?
The play as you want philosophy is what really messed this game up and if taking that away means it's not an elder scroll game then I wish this game just released as a single player/co-op adventure. Alternative the game releasing as a true action mmo without the elder scroll title would also be fine. The people would understand class balance is about being strong at some things while being weak at others and NOT everyone being able to do the same thing. Does this idea limit variety. Most definitely. However, class balance is much easier to maintain that way.
Personally, I think the issue is that stam sorcs are simply underplayed as a class, so they don't get enough publicity. The more popular classes are always going to drown out the minority, but then factor in that most of the stam sorc posts are just rage posts and you're left with a very select few opportunities for reasonable, coherent stam sorc players to get spotted by ZOS.
All you can do if you want change is to keep calmly posting about it, keep making reasonable suggestions for change, and hopefully we'll see them implement those changes. We did already see the passive changes, which were heavily requested, so it's not like they are closed off to the idea.
You're right to an extent, but let's not forget that feedback is not the only way the devs are supposed to get ideas. They are paid to come up with their own as well.
True, but the game looks a lot different from the perspective of the person making it than it does from the person playing it. Why not look to the players to see how changes are working, or inspiration on how to make things better?0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭To all those screaming in here about Stamina Sorc;
Go ask in WoW for a stamina sorcerer. Or a sorcerer that wears any heavy armour.
Go ask in Guild Wars 2 for a stamina sorcerer.
Oh. That's right. You can't. Because most MMO's won't allow anything outside of a magic using sorcerer. Zenimax have been very good with allowing freedom of choice on classes and builds. You most certainly can play any way you want. But did they say that any build that you think of will destroy everyone else? No. They did not. Not even slightly.
So go ahead and throw your toys out of the pram because you think Zenimax owes it to you to cater to every single thing that you want.
Some have made it work, but some haven't. If you're going to go against the grain of things like sorcerer being magic based, don't expect to always be pandered to.
As long as ZOS does not start to enable stamina-based attacks via the Sorcerer skill lines, I really see no reason why a Sorcerer that uses a stamina weapon cannot be in the game. On the surface, a stamina Sorcerer is an oxymoron, but that is essentially what a battlemage is, a spell caster (magicka) that has a sword or mace (stamina). Whether that build can compete in PVP or rise to the top of the PVE leaderboard, all I have to say is that not every build is a top competitor, and players should not expect otherwise.
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✭✭✭✭To all those screaming in here about Stamina Sorc;
Go ask in WoW for a stamina sorcerer. Or a sorcerer that wears any heavy armour.
Go ask in Guild Wars 2 for a stamina sorcerer.
Oh. That's right. You can't. Because most MMO's won't allow anything outside of a magic using sorcerer. Zenimax have been very good with allowing freedom of choice on classes and builds. You most certainly can play any way you want. But did they say that any build that you think of will destroy everyone else? No. They did not. Not even slightly.
So go ahead and throw your toys out of the pram because you think Zenimax owes it to you to cater to every single thing that you want.
Some have made it work, but some haven't. If you're going to go against the grain of things like sorcerer being magic based, don't expect to always be pandered to.
So you have that you are a beta tester in your sig so you should know full well that having stamina and magicka for all classes is something ZOS has already strived to deliver.
The idea that sorcs cannot or should not be able to use stam and therefore there should be no discussion on it is completely laughable. They go against what ZOS is trying to build and frankly, its a complete waste to even post it. Yet theres always a few that come into the stam sorcs threads throwing it out there.2 -
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Pepper8Jack✭✭✭To all those screaming in here about Stamina Sorc;
Go ask in WoW for a stamina sorcerer. Or a sorcerer that wears any heavy armour.
Go ask in Guild Wars 2 for a stamina sorcerer.
Oh. That's right. You can't. Because most MMO's won't allow anything outside of a magic using sorcerer. Zenimax have been very good with allowing freedom of choice on classes and builds. You most certainly can play any way you want. But did they say that any build that you think of will destroy everyone else? No. They did not. Not even slightly.
So go ahead and throw your toys out of the pram because you think Zenimax owes it to you to cater to every single thing that you want.
Some have made it work, but some haven't. If you're going to go against the grain of things like sorcerer being magic based, don't expect to always be pandered to.
So you have that you are a beta tester in your sig so you should know full well that having stamina and magicka for all classes is something ZOS has already strived to deliver.
The idea that sorcs cannot or should not be able to use stam and therefore there should be no discussion on it is completely laughable. They go against what ZOS is trying to build and frankly, its a complete waste to even post it. Yet theres always a few that come into the stam sorcs threads throwing it out there.
A point further exemplified by the fact that all class abilities and morphs were once exclusively magicka-based, for all classes. Clearly the ideology that any one class must play one way was not their vision for the game, or else why make those changes.
Also, thanks for putting on a good stream last night. It was good to see some of the most well known faces in the community having reasonable discussion about the present state, and the future, of this game.0
