Meteor change inconsistency

hammayolettuce · February 2016

@ZOS_GinaBruno @Wrobel , while the change to meteor is interesting and yet to really be seen how it carries out on large scale with it not being reflectable there is just one issue. Whether it was overlooked or not why is it that:

Templars, sorcs, dragonknights have to now block the meteor since it can't be reflected?

Yet a Nightblade can cloak as the meteor is about to hit them and they take zero damage and the meteor effects just disappear?

If you want to keep meteor not reflectable then you should also keep nightblades from being able to cloak it into thin air.

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Manoekin · February 2016

hammayolettuce wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno @Wrobel , while the change to meteor is interesting and yet to really be seen how it carries out on large scale with it not being reflectable there is just one issue. Whether it was overlooked or not why is it that:

Templars, sorcs, dragonknights have to now block the meteor since it can't be reflected?

Yet a Nightblade can cloak as the meteor is about to hit them and they take zero damage and the meteor effects just disappear?

If you want to keep meteor not reflectable then you should also keep nightblades from being able to cloak it into thin air.

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Agree 100%

Lexxypwns · February 2016

hammayolettuce wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno @Wrobel , while the change to meteor is interesting and yet to really be seen how it carries out on large scale with it not being reflectable there is just one issue. Whether it was overlooked or not why is it that:

Templars, sorcs, dragonknights have to now block the meteor since it can't be reflected?

Yet a Nightblade can cloak as the meteor is about to hit them and they take zero damage and the meteor effects just disappear?

If you want to keep meteor not reflectable then you should also keep nightblades from being able to cloak it into thin air.

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Also, since every class has a CC that goes through block, the only actual way for a non-nb to counter a meteor is hope you have CC immunity. Surely this isn't a good mechanic since a fully buffed meteor will kill 99% of builds even if they're as high as 75% hp

Lava_Croft · February 2016

No shields, no reliable self-heals.

That's why Shadow Cloak.

hammayolettuce · February 2016

Lava_Croft wrote: »

No shields, no reliable self-heals.

That's why Shadow Cloak.

Im sorry but the no shield no heal thing isn't something that can be used. Magicka NBs heal just fine and so do Stam NBs. They also have access to Harness Magicka which will absorb some of the meteor damage.

While everyone can cry nerf on cloak this coming update it in reality got a big buff with the dmg mitigation you receive coming out of it. DK reflect was touched multiple times because snipers complained they couldn't pew pew for 40m away. Yet a staple skill for them now cant be used to reflect?

but its ok for cloak to just make any projectile like that vanish into thin air?

Lexxypwns · February 2016

hammayolettuce wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

No shields, no reliable self-heals.

That's why Shadow Cloak.

Im sorry but the no shield no heal thing isn't something that can be used. Magicka NBs heal just fine and so do Stam NBs. They also have access to Harness Magicka which will absorb some of the meteor damage.

While everyone can cry nerf on cloak this coming update it in reality got a big buff with the dmg mitigation you receive coming out of it. DK reflect was touched multiple times because snipers complained they couldn't pew pew for 40m away. Yet a staple skill for them now cant be used to reflect?

but its ok for cloak to just make any projectile like that vanish into thin air?

The only way its balanced if if magelight prevents you cloaking meteors aways, in which case, nobody is going to be able to 1vX anymore, all it takes is 2 meteors, and 1 CC

Ffastyl · February 2016

Lexxypwns wrote: »

hammayolettuce wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno @Wrobel , while the change to meteor is interesting and yet to really be seen how it carries out on large scale with it not being reflectable there is just one issue. Whether it was overlooked or not why is it that:

Templars, sorcs, dragonknights have to now block the meteor since it can't be reflected?

Yet a Nightblade can cloak as the meteor is about to hit them and they take zero damage and the meteor effects just disappear?

If you want to keep meteor not reflectable then you should also keep nightblades from being able to cloak it into thin air.

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Also, since every class has a CC that goes through block, the only actual way for a non-nb to counter a meteor is hope you have CC immunity. Surely this isn't a good mechanic since a fully buffed meteor will kill 99% of builds even if they're as high as 75% hp

I would not say 99%. Defense oriented builds are not killed by Meteor. At most, I have lost 50% of my Health from a Meteor. At least, 15%. If I stand in the burning embers it leaves behind? It can deal fatal damage, but who would stand in the embers once they knew it was more than for show?

asneakybanana · February 2016

Cloak should not work for ultimates whether it's meteor, leap, overload or whatever else you shouldn't be able to totally avoid someones ultimate like that.

hammayolettuce · February 2016

asneakybanana wrote: »

Cloak should not work for ultimates whether it's meteor, leap, overload or whatever else you shouldn't be able to totally avoid someones ultimate like that.

This. ^

Alucardo · February 2016

Lava_Croft wrote: »

No shields, no reliable self-heals.

That's why Shadow Cloak.

Can stam sorc have shadow cloak too? No shield, no reliable self heal.

Alucardo · February 2016

I didn't like the change to be honest, but the OP is right - if you're going to do it, at least make it consistent.

Xeniph · February 2016

Jiminy Crickets!

Lets just get it over with and delete 3 classes and make it so there are only 10 abilities on the one left.

Not that I care about meteor being cloaked or not, it still doesn't hit that hard with block, or you can still avoid it with a roll dodge.

But damn people.

Master_Kas · February 2016

Lol even more cloak / nb qq .

Ridicilous.

Enjoy a game filled with mana sorcs & mana dks just like at launch.

Elder skirts online.

Fyi nonreflectable meteors was a stupid change. Just the comments on these forums.. Time for me to stop visiting these forums for a while xD

Zheg · February 2016

Templars can't purify a meteor any more but cloak still works on it? Bananas. If purifying a meteor was a 'balanace' issue, cloaking one should be too.

hammayolettuce · February 2016

Master_Kas wrote: »

Lol even more cloak / nb qq .

Ridicilous.

Enjoy a game filled with mana sorcs & mana dks just like at launch.

Elder skirts online.

Fyi nonreflectable meteors was a stupid change. Just the comments on these forums.. Time for me to stop visiting these forums for a while xD

Never said the change for not being able to reflect them was either good or bad cuz we really haven't seen it on a large scale yet. but so far all classes but NB have to worry about Meteors. I gets people will take this as QQ, but DKs have a class reflect that doesn't even reflect it.. S&B reflect doesn't reflect it.. so why should NBs be the only ones who get to absorb a Meteor and keep it moving like nothing just happened?

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Forestd16b14_ESO · February 2016

Or maybe ZOS makes it refelctable again because well the meteor change is stupid and possible one of ZOS biggest mistakes.

Xeniph · February 2016

It really was a dumb change. Especially when you take into account the 5 times they said Fall damage was fixed and, well, it really wasn't.

This will come back to bite Zos, if nothing else but for the lag it will create. Since this will be the go to zerg ultimate now that it's can't be reflected.

blur · February 2016

hammayolettuce wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno @Wrobel , while the change to meteor is interesting and yet to really be seen how it carries out on large scale with it not being reflectable there is just one issue. Whether it was overlooked or not why is it that:

Templars, sorcs, dragonknights have to now block the meteor since it can't be reflected?

Yet a Nightblade can cloak as the meteor is about to hit them and they take zero damage and the meteor effects just disappear?

If you want to keep meteor not reflectable then you should also keep nightblades from being able to cloak it into thin air.

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It's really ridiculous... you get a patch that basically murders Cloak and you still whine. Currently a stam-blade can barely get away from a fight while on the defensive after being engaged. If his enemy has Magelight slotted he is not getting away at all. Let alone using cloak for 5 seconds. I find it hard to believe said NB is going to cloak out of a meteor when he can't even use cloak due to Magelight, let alone being skill locked from the activation. More importantly if that NB is stam he has maybe 3 attempts at cloak before he is out of magicka provided he did not use magicka for anything else like fear or double take.

One thing is certain, no matter how much ZOS dumbs this game down, no matter how much they reward the inept and lazy, people still cry about nightblades. It's pathetic.

ThePonzzz · February 2016

Heh, meteor really doesn't do much damage, it's just a good disabler if you need a set up, or the ultimate on shooting star with zergs. Not sure what all the fuss is about.

Dyride · February 2016

blur wrote: »

hammayolettuce wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno @Wrobel , while the change to meteor is interesting and yet to really be seen how it carries out on large scale with it not being reflectable there is just one issue. Whether it was overlooked or not why is it that:

Templars, sorcs, dragonknights have to now block the meteor since it can't be reflected?

Yet a Nightblade can cloak as the meteor is about to hit them and they take zero damage and the meteor effects just disappear?

If you want to keep meteor not reflectable then you should also keep nightblades from being able to cloak it into thin air.

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It's really ridiculous... you get a patch that basically murders Cloak and you still whine. 4
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It's really ridiculous... you get a patch that basically murders Cloak and you still whine. [/quote]

Cloak now gives -8% physical/spell mitigation from shadow passive AND -8% damage mitigation.

Magelight is ridiculous because the debuff lasts beyond the range around the light even if you travel to Shadow Image.

Cinbri · February 2016

Does sorc's BoL can absorb meteor too?

Lava_Croft · February 2016

hammayolettuce wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

No shields, no reliable self-heals.

That's why Shadow Cloak.

Im sorry but the no shield no heal thing isn't something that can be used. Magicka NBs heal just fine and so do Stam NBs. They also have access to Harness Magicka which will absorb some of the meteor damage.

While everyone can cry nerf on cloak this coming update it in reality got a big buff with the dmg mitigation you receive coming out of it. DK reflect was touched multiple times because snipers complained they couldn't pew pew for 40m away. Yet a staple skill for them now cant be used to reflect?

but its ok for cloak to just make any projectile like that vanish into thin air?

You turn invisible after all... It is apparently OK for Templars to insta-heal themselves, for Dragon Knights to reflect most of my ranged attacks while healing themselves and for Sorcerers to think they are a glass cannon while tanking thanks to Hardened Ward. Nightblades have access to the same burst heals as Sorcerers, only they lack their shields. Hence, Shadow Cloak. It's our main defensive skill.

However, it would make sense for the Meteor to miss the Cloaked Nightblade and then hit the ground and apply the AoE and DoT.

I understand the hatred for Nightblades has slowly surpassed the past hatred for Dragon Knights, but let's not overdo it.

Alcast · February 2016

Lexxypwns wrote: »

hammayolettuce wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno @Wrobel , while the change to meteor is interesting and yet to really be seen how it carries out on large scale with it not being reflectable there is just one issue. Whether it was overlooked or not why is it that:

Templars, sorcs, dragonknights have to now block the meteor since it can't be reflected?

Yet a Nightblade can cloak as the meteor is about to hit them and they take zero damage and the meteor effects just disappear?

If you want to keep meteor not reflectable then you should also keep nightblades from being able to cloak it into thin air.

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Also, since every class has a CC that goes through block, the only actual way for a non-nb to counter a meteor is hope you have CC immunity. Surely this isn't a good mechanic since a fully buffed meteor will kill 99% of builds even if they're as high as 75% hp

What CC goes through block for a templar? nonono

Cinbri · February 2016

Alcast wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

hammayolettuce wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno @Wrobel , while the change to meteor is interesting and yet to really be seen how it carries out on large scale with it not being reflectable there is just one issue. Whether it was overlooked or not why is it that:

Templars, sorcs, dragonknights have to now block the meteor since it can't be reflected?

Yet a Nightblade can cloak as the meteor is about to hit them and they take zero damage and the meteor effects just disappear?

If you want to keep meteor not reflectable then you should also keep nightblades from being able to cloak it into thin air.

*

Also, since every class has a CC that goes through block, the only actual way for a non-nb to counter a meteor is hope you have CC immunity. Surely this isn't a good mechanic since a fully buffed meteor will kill 99% of builds even if they're as high as 75% hp

What CC goes through block for a templar? nonono

Luminous Shards in theory, but i hardly see it as CC.

Xeniph · February 2016

Alcast wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

hammayolettuce wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno @Wrobel , while the change to meteor is interesting and yet to really be seen how it carries out on large scale with it not being reflectable there is just one issue. Whether it was overlooked or not why is it that:

Templars, sorcs, dragonknights have to now block the meteor since it can't be reflected?

Yet a Nightblade can cloak as the meteor is about to hit them and they take zero damage and the meteor effects just disappear?

If you want to keep meteor not reflectable then you should also keep nightblades from being able to cloak it into thin air.

*

Also, since every class has a CC that goes through block, the only actual way for a non-nb to counter a meteor is hope you have CC immunity. Surely this isn't a good mechanic since a fully buffed meteor will kill 99% of builds even if they're as high as 75% hp

What CC goes through block for a templar? nonono

Shards