Dark cloak...just a whine thread

oRioNoTime · February 2016

Are you serious? I didn't play for a while and I'm reinstalling the game right now; I always player magicka Nb and the only good thing was the dark cloak, why are you neefing it so hard? Did I miss some very important magicka NB in the last 8 months?!

Or is it just a stamina nb nerf that will destroy the, already mediocre, magicka Nb?

MrGigglypants · February 2016

they aren't nerfing it hard at all, all things considered I'm fine with the changes and I Main NB. You will still be able to cloak while afflicted with dots but if you want them gone you have to purge them. This essentially makes a Dk Vs a nb relevant again along with a lot of other dots that most people didn't run simple because half of all classes would purge them immediately (temps nbs)

Lorkhan · February 2016

the nerf was too strong indeed

Artjuh90 · February 2016

well as NB i've no issue with the cloak nerf. it's good enough. you will still see QQ about cloak just wait. even with the easier mechanics to pull people out of it just wait and see. getting able to dodge every new attack with removing all DoT's was a bit over the top

Kammakazi · February 2016

All it's going to do is suppress, meaning 0 damage ticks, any DoT that is currently afflicted on you.

Suppose you get hit by a Flame Destructive Touch, the DoT lasts for 8 seconds, but when you cloak it will still be on you but tick for 0 damage. The tick will start damaging you once you become visible (either Cloak duration runs out or you are revealed by other means)

reften · February 2016

mega nerf to vamp stam NBs. Have fun with the fire ballistas. I guess I have to run purge somewhere on my bars now.

LBxFinalDeath · February 2016

May just end up running shadowy disguise for the 100% crit every cloak in order to instakill ppl before they can start spamming DoTs tbh.

I'm more curious just how many Nightblades will re-roll as a Magicka Sorc since they are seemingly going to be the true master class with no competition since 25% physical damage reduction champ tree being added and ontop of that no shields nerf...so yeah.

...and since magic damage was coupled with the elements you'll see more overload ultimate spamming Sorcs that can when not spamming overload hit you with 15K crystal frags.

Artjuh90 · February 2016

LBxFinalDeath wrote: »

May just end up running shadowy disguise for the 100% crit every cloak in order to instakill ppl before they can start spamming DoTs tbh.

I'm more curious just how many Nightblades will re-roll as a Magicka Sorc since they are seemingly going to be the true master class with no competition since 25% physical damage reduction champ tree being added and ontop of that no shields nerf...so yeah.

...and since magic damage was coupled with the elements you'll see more overload ultimate spamming Sorcs that can when not spamming overload hit you with 15K crystal frags.

not to forget buffed magicka det both morphs

I55UE5 · February 2016

Look man.. most dots will be off of you after 3 dark cloaks in a row.. Most night blades already cast it 3 times in a row for escape anyways. So the only thing that changed is night blade being able to push 1 button to drop a full rotation of dots and just engage again.

Tryxus · February 2016

I kinda like this change: NB can still use this skill to escape (especially MagBlades), and now can choose between Minor Protection or 100% Crit Chance

Pretty sure we'll see some more Cloak QQ threads whenTG arrives

Artjuh90 · February 2016

Tryxus wrote: »

I kinda like this change: NB can still use this skill to escape (especially MagBlades), and now can choose between Minor Protection or 100% Crit Chance

Pretty sure we'll see some more Cloak QQ threads whenTG arrives

no everybody will be a sorc shieldstacking that you can't crit

kadar · February 2016

Ya, this doesn't effect Magicka NBs really, because they will be invisible for the entire duration of any dot, resulting in the dot doing zero damage, just like before. This only really effects Stamina NBs who can't cloak for the entire duration of a DoT effect.

Publius_Scipio · February 2016

I've only ever been a NB (stamina currently) and I could careless about this perceived "nerf" to cloak. In my opinion a lot of issues in ESO stem from skills that were overthought and overcomplicated. And cloak is a prime example. It should have never been a purge or mess with DoTs or whatever else. Cloak should have been always simply about going invisible and thats that.

Purge should be contained in a singular skill (or potions) that a player would have to decide upon strategically placing it on their bar in lieu of another skill or item.

Why must this game have all these skills that have to be swiss army knives in what they do? And then the ESO community as a whole throws around the word "nerf" like it truly means something, when in fact all it really means is people are annoyed they have to tweak their char and do a couple of things differently.

reften wrote: »

mega nerf to vamp stam NBs. Have fun with the fire ballistas. I guess I have to run purge somewhere on my bars now.

That's my point.

ThatNeonZebraAgain · February 2016

The real nerf to Cloak lies in the insane buffs to Inner Light. To quote someone on the forums:

Inner Light is now so effective, most magicka players would be crazy not to use it. Just by slotting it, my magicka nb gains 2000 magicka and 10% crit chance. In addition, it is also a hard counter to stealth and cloak (6 second detect + 5 second cloak negate) that grants Empower. Making Inner Light so attractive is an indirect nerf to cloak. IMO, a majority of magicka users will use it. Surely many Stamina users will also use it for Empower.

This is the real nerf to Cloak. Not only will you slot Inner Light for its great passive buffs, but you will use it as regular part of rotation (so at least every 5-10 seconds) for Empower buff. This means someone using it in their rotation will nearly always have a the detection up for the duration of the fight. No need for detect pots or flare any more (or cloak for that matter).

Moglijuana · February 2016

RIP to all the players who thought they were good because they had a stamblade. This is only going to separate the good players from the abusers of broken mechanics. God I can't wait to get tons of hate mail

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#AllHailTheMagickaDK

Artjuh90 · February 2016

Moglijuana wrote: »

RIP to all the players who thought they were good because they had a stamblade. This is only going to separate the good players from the abusers of broken mechanics. God I can't wait to get tons of hate mail .

#AllHailTheMagickaDK
#deadofthetemplar

fixed that for you

Mashille · February 2016

I have over 900 hours in my Main NB. I'm ok with the changes.

NB's have been dominating for a while, some nerfs are justified.

Artjuh90 · February 2016

keybaud wrote: »

I have over 900 hours in my Main NB. I'm ok with the changes.

NB's have been dominating for a while, some nerfs are justified.

yep now we wait for sorc to get kicked of their throne

Publius_Scipio · February 2016

Artjuh90 wrote: »

keybaud wrote: »

I have over 900 hours in my Main NB. I'm ok with the changes.

NB's have been dominating for a while, some nerfs are justified.

yep now we wait for sorc to get kicked of their throne

Sorcs have those shields to prop themselves up on. At a minimum, allow shields to be crit and watch what happens.

MrGigglypants · February 2016

LBxFinalDeath wrote: »

May just end up running shadowy disguise for the 100% crit every cloak in order to instakill ppl before they can start spamming DoTs tbh.

I'm more curious just how many Nightblades will re-roll as a Magicka Sorc since they are seemingly going to be the true master class with no competition since 25% physical damage reduction champ tree being added and ontop of that no shields nerf...so yeah.

...and since magic damage was coupled with the elements you'll see more overload ultimate spamming Sorcs that can when not spamming overload hit you with 15K crystal frags.

there is a cp tree for doing more dmg to shields

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO · February 2016

Artjuh90 wrote: »

well as NB i've no issue with the cloak nerf. it's good enough. you will still see QQ about cloak just wait. even with the easier mechanics to pull people out of it just wait and see. getting able to dodge every new attack with removing all DoT's was a bit over the top

No Shields and no real heals for Stamina now you have to run Rally and Vigor to live cause our only good class defense that don't cause a CC cooldown is gone.

I55UE5 wrote: »

Look man.. most dots will be off of you after 3 dark cloaks in a row.. Most night blades already cast it 3 times in a row for escape anyways. So the only thing that changed is night blade being able to push 1 button to drop a full rotation of dots and just engage again.

Us Stamblades can't perma cloak and used it for the Shadow Barrier and DoT purge I running my Magic and Stamina Sorc after this next update if a DoT ticks every second second you miss just one tick not useful at all plus mage light

keybaud wrote: »

I have over 900 hours in my Main NB. I'm ok with the changes.

NB's have been dominating for a while, some nerfs are justified.

Then they should have buffed the other classes Nerfing an Assassin class cause they kill fast and get away is literally being mad that Assassin can assassinate players.

Wollust · February 2016

Why do people think it's a nerf? I consider it a buff getting minor protection. Ofc it makes fighting a DK trickier, but overall the buff > nerf.

LBxFinalDeath · February 2016

If the other overpowered class got a substantial nerf like every shield stack costs more and more magicka or something it wouldn't be that big of a deal that NB got nerfed tbh.

Hate NBs if you want but they were the main counter to Sorcs.

NB got heavily nerfed for the record even if you think this wasn't a big nerf, so many things now kick NBs out of stealth and keep them from going back to stealth for 5 to 12 seconds.

Pretty much rendering Nightblade as Sorcs without shields to take the majority of the damage..

R.I.P NBs and other classes, Sorcs are coming and they have even more dps potential.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO · February 2016

Wollust wrote: »

Why do people think it's a nerf? I consider it a buff getting minor protection. Ofc it makes fighting a DK trickier, but overall the buff > nerf.

When you fight a Dragon Knight with no Shields and no Heals from your class and you have three DoTs on you and will change your tune Cloak is only 2.9 seconds and many DoT tick every 2 seconds or last for like 8 seconds that's a lot of damage. If Cloak is not broken and if you don't attack.

Stamina Nightblade already have to use Two handed and have Vigor now we need to have Purge too. The class just got to where it needed to be buff the other classes was needed this is no buff it's a hard Nerf plain and simple.

Dragon Knights got their Magic costing powers that deal physical damage yet Nightblades will still have two "stamina" morphs that deal magic damage still Killer's Blade and Power Extraction.

Artjuh90 · February 2016

Wollust wrote: »

Why do people think it's a nerf? I consider it a buff getting minor protection. Ofc it makes fighting a DK trickier, but overall the buff > nerf.

because the purge effect is removed and stealth detection will be alot beter with this patch

leepalmer95 · February 2016

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

Why do people think it's a nerf? I consider it a buff getting minor protection. Ofc it makes fighting a DK trickier, but overall the buff > nerf.

When you fight a Dragon Knight with no Shields and no Heals from your class and you have three DoTs on you and will change your tune Cloak is only 2.9 seconds and many DoT tick every 2 seconds or last for like 8 seconds that's a lot of damage. If Cloak is not broken and if you don't attack.

Stamina Nightblade already have to use Two handed and have Vigor now we need to have Purge too. The class just got to where it needed to be buff the other classes was needed this is no buff it's a hard Nerf plain and simple.

Dragon Knights got their Magic costing powers that deal physical damage yet Nightblades will still have two "stamina" morphs that deal magic damage still Killer's Blade and Power Extraction.

Nb's have heals, vigor/rally, healing ward/entire resto and siphon tree.

Spamming funnel will outset and dmg dot's do.

Most dots will last for 10~ , a cloak is literally going to cut the dot dmg by 30%.

Nb's use cloak because it resets a fight, makes things miss and forces people to stop the high dps ability and use some type of aoe.

Why are nb's so mad that they have to slot purge like every other class in the game now.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO · February 2016

leepalmer95 wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

Why do people think it's a nerf? I consider it a buff getting minor protection. Ofc it makes fighting a DK trickier, but overall the buff > nerf.

When you fight a Dragon Knight with no Shields and no Heals from your class and you have three DoTs on you and will change your tune Cloak is only 2.9 seconds and many DoT tick every 2 seconds or last for like 8 seconds that's a lot of damage. If Cloak is not broken and if you don't attack.

Stamina Nightblade already have to use Two handed and have Vigor now we need to have Purge too. The class just got to where it needed to be buff the other classes was needed this is no buff it's a hard Nerf plain and simple.

Dragon Knights got their Magic costing powers that deal physical damage yet Nightblades will still have two "stamina" morphs that deal magic damage still Killer's Blade and Power Extraction.

Nb's have heals, vigor/rally, healing ward/entire resto and siphon tree.

Spamming funnel will outset and dmg dot's do.

Most dots will last for 10~ , a cloak is literally going to cut the dot dmg by 30%.

Nb's use cloak because it resets a fight, makes things miss and forces people to stop the high dps ability and use some type of aoe.

Why are nb's so mad that they have to slot purge like every other class in the game now.

Magic Nightblades have Siphon and the Resto and will still perma cloak fights I'm clear speaking from a Stamina view that was clear form the context.

Funnel Health heals based on damage will all the Spell resistance Funnel on a Stamina build so weak no spell damage or spell pen. Now I have to run Rally what if I don't want to run two handed not every has a Wrecking blow?Steel Tornado build some of us use more then one power. I got my damage my damage buff from Flying Blade or Power Extraction.

That 30% is only if it works the whole time inner light will stop me from even using the cloak so why even use the class go play your sorcs cause stamina Nightblades will be dead.

They nerfed a working class instead of buffing weaking ones and double nerfed it as @Zos always does Cloak was already the most countered power now their are powers that stop you from being able to use it all together.

Huggalump · February 2016

this change was so incredibly necessary

Artjuh90 · February 2016

Huggalump wrote: »

this change was so incredibly necessary

you will soon see that cloak isn't the problem what makes NB OP. just wait and see you will be back complaining about NB. because the broken mechanics aren't fixed yet.
well at least magicka sorc is getting more overpowered now so we have that, maybe they get of the nerfnb train then.

smacx250 · February 2016

oRioNoTime wrote: »

Are you serious? I didn't play for a while and I'm reinstalling the game right now; I always player magicka Nb and the only good thing was the dark cloak, why are you neefing it so hard? Did I miss some very important magicka NB in the last 8 months?!

Or is it just a stamina nb nerf that will destroy the, already mediocre, magicka Nb?

Yeah, you completely missed the NB rise to domination, and came back right as they start to take that away. That's how it works - everyone stops playing the turd class, so to re-balance the player base across the classes, the turd class gets buffs to draw players back. Once it is the FOTM that every one plays, it gets nerfed and the then turd class gets buffed to once again re-balance the player base across the classes. Repeat ad infinitum...

code65536 · February 2016

MrGigglypants wrote: »

they aren't nerfing it hard at all, all things considered I'm fine with the changes and I Main NB. You will still be able to cloak while afflicted with dots but if you want them gone you have to purge them. This essentially makes a Dk Vs a nb relevant again along with a lot of other dots that most people didn't run simple because half of all classes would purge them immediately (temps nbs)

The nightblade nerf is an indirect one.

Magelight was buffed. A lot. To the point of ridiculousness.