As I've said before, the ideal solution would be to keep current battle-levelling mechanics but making it so that the level and quality of the gear being used has no effect on the bonuses the gear provides, making amount of gold spent far less important in BwB than it is now. Sure, a few people might get a bunch of monster helms and agility rings and stuff at level ten but it's better than what we have now.

If this isn't an option however, I'd gladly go back to the old non-vet.

In IC patch we had it best imo. Both for BWB and veteran campaigns for low level vets.
I remember I had much better stats with my vr4 dk and I could compete with vr16s even before the sets bonuses weren't counting on your stats. They made the 2nd, 3rd and 4th piece bonuses scale better with your battle leveling and cut the raw battle leveling numbers by some amount, but that didn't make it any better, my dk ended up with lower stats. And due to the fact that the new vr16 weapons/armors skyrocket your stats off the roof, lower level vets became just a cannon fodders in vet campaigns.
That's my gripe.

BwB was my old home back when I played in Cyrodiil. Sorry to hear that they wrecked it.

I would like to see more than 1 active campaign

The new system isn't perfect specifically for Blackwater, but I'd take it over the old one any day.
Maybe there should be more limitations in form of hardcaps or effects of your gear, but it's way better than having mainly regen bonuses count, that drag on the fights even more than would be the case with the fixed large healthpools and low magicka/stamina/damage stats.

i dont hate it, but it seems like now its more about pumping out max DPS. Still better than the vet servers though, at least in BwB i dont have to deal with non-emp 27K damage shields.

I want to see bwb without CP and 100% dmg/heal.

The gear you're wearing in bwb simply matters too much now. People who are new to the game who are just getting an understanding of stats and builds will be at a severe disadvantage.

new players who don't have maxed crafters will always be screwed with the way it works now.

They already said that it's not possible to change battle levelling on a 'per campaign' basis due to the way the whole thing is developed....

So it's a bit of a moot question really.

I'm personally ok with the way gear levels... BUT I do think they are going the correct way in taking CP out of the equation. 25% extra damage & mitigation just because you have several other vet characters... that's what I consider more unfair / game breaking. Remove that in BwB and it'll be a good half way house between how it is now & how it was back in the day.

It's hard for me to evaluate the post-orsinium battle leveling because of the champion system. If CP gets disabled in BWB in thieves guild, then we will really get to experience the new battle leveling without the base stat disparites that are present now.

Alucardo wrote: »

Balance was so good back then I'd rip out my wallet and resub, just so I can live there until you fix the end game

Battle levelling is now a tool for making DLC appealing to underleveled players, not a tool for equalizing chances in PvP regardless of levels or gear. Nobody gives a !@#$% about your sub; there is way more money to be had from selling DLC.

Drakilian wrote: »

JamilaRaj wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Balance was so good back then I'd rip out my wallet and resub, just so I can live there until you fix the end game

Battle levelling is now a tool for making DLC appealing to underleveled players, not a tool for equalizing chances in PvP regardless of levels or gear. Nobody gives a !@#$% about your sub; there is way more money to be had from selling DLC.

That's not true.

Veryc simple math: one DLC is released every quarter. One quarter is three months. The sub cost is 15$ a month, meaning that in the span of one quarter you will pay 45$.

Meanwhile, a single DLC is released every quarter. The DLC values are currently 2000, 2500, and 3000. So the average cost of the DLC is 2500 crowns, or 25$ (less if you count people buying the 5500:50 pack, which decreases the value of crowns by ~9 percent, bringing it down to ~23$.

Unless you count in mount or costume costs that come with the DLC (but could easily be developed and sold separately), or the few fools who will, for some incomprehensible reason, buy that worthless collector's edition, then the sub is clearly more profitable (by 20$ per quarter) than the DLC. I doubt adding in the costumes/mounts actually purchased would make up the difference, since the percentage of the player base buying those consistently remains small.

Point is, a single sub is worth more than a DLC. It is therefore in ZOS' best interest to maximize their number of subscriptions.

Not my point though, as by "selling DLC" I mean directly or indirectly through subs as well; more precisely it does not matter which of these. Let me explain.
X players would sub if BWB did not suck; they prefer the old gear-does-not-matter battle levelling. Y players, who do not have max level on any of their chars, would buy DLC (or sub to get it); what they prefer regarding battle levelling does not matter (remarkably, they could prefer the old one too). There may be some overlapping, but let's just say Y is probably much higher number than X.
ZOS wants to release DLC. Typically, expansions add some content at the end of a game, i.e. so that players who kinda finished a game keep playing (and paying). That would however mean, in ESO, that Y players would not even consider buying DLC (or, again, sub for it), not even if there were superior rewards, not even if base game zones were obsoleted, because they simply could not play VR whatever new DLC zones with feeble non/low-vet chars. That would not fly with The Monetization Department, so the devs took what they had, the battle levelling system, and not only recycled it, but also tweaked; gear now matters because aside from unlocking skills, there would not be much to do in DLC if it did not. Exping a char itself, battle levelled anyway, is a bit moot.
So, the point is that ZOS can either make Alucardo and the rest of X players happy (and perhaps sub), or BWB suck but DLC buyable for Y players, which I think is well worth it.

As for value of subs, I would agree.