so Icant zone into IC, cause I unsubbed?

Ackwalan · February 2016

It's a shame that the LOL tag was removed.

Immortal_Dark410 · February 2016

Stinkur wrote: »

so not subbing, no loyalty,... i should have just not sub'ed and paid for content that I wanted?

That makes so much sense,.....

thats what i did, i subbed took crowns and payed for the content, now i can un-sub when ever i like.

Sarousse · February 2016

Sounds like a L2READ issue.

kirk_lewis_ESO · February 2016

When you unsub from wow, you don't even get access to base game. Zenimax gave you enough crowns to buy the DLC. It's like crying murder after getting paid in gold. You basically got your money back.

JD2013 · February 2016

So OP is complaining because they didn't listen to how it worked?

Steel_Brightblade · February 2016

Lol this reminds me of work, we send out messages and announcements in dozens of ways months ahead of an event yet on the day there's always 50 or so people that complain "well, no one told me!"

pronkg · February 2016

What a waste of space

Enodoc · February 2016

Merkabeh wrote: »

Troneon wrote: »

They should make it so once you have been subscribed for 4-6 months or something you can get one DLC for free...

They already do...with the 1500 crowns you get each month.

Yep. As long as they stay at one DLC per quarter and no DLC ever costs more than 4500 Crowns, subbing gives you enough "free" Crowns to own every DLC, with a few left over for fluff stuff that doesn't include any new content.

DurzoBlint13 · February 2016

Stinkur wrote: »

thats BS, what we were lead to believe as a sub is that we got all DLC. we didnt have to spend additional funds for DLC

and that is still correct, as long as you are subscribing. Its when you stop that there is an issue since you are no longer receiving the benefits. Besides if you subscribed for any length of time you should have more than enough Crowns to just go and buy the DLC anyway

hydrocynus · February 2016

Lol. Just lol.

acw37162 · February 2016

Stinkur wrote: »

thats BS, what we were lead to believe as a sub is that we got all DLC. we didnt have to spend additional funds for DLC

You did you had access to all DLC packs for as long as you subbed.

You are no longer a sub.

This is not hidden information, if you pay enough attention to no about no eta and watch ESO live you at least heard this information before.

You obviously didn't process it.

Tyrion87 · February 2016

Irrespective of the fact that OP doesn't understand the obvious thing of how subbing works regarding the access to DLC's, he's right in one matter - and I saw that it was pointed out many times on the forum.
The thing is the access to DLC should be kept after unsubbing if the player was a subscriber for a certain period of time. E.g. if the player is a subscriber for at least 4 months, he should acquire ownership of one DLC, for at least 8 months - two DLCs, etc.
If subscription works this way, I would be a subscriber too.

Enodoc · February 2016

Tyrion87 wrote: »

Irrespective of the fact that OP doesn't understand the obvious thing of how subbing works regarding the access to DLC's, he's right in one matter - and I saw that it was pointed out many times on the forum.
The thing is the access to DLC should be kept after unsubbing if the player was a subscriber for a certain period of time. E.g. if the player is a subscriber for at least 4 months, he should acquire ownership of one DLC, for at least 8 months - two DLCs, etc.
If subscription works this way, I would be a subscriber too.

That would only work I think if you didn't get any Crowns for subbing. As I said above, you get 4500 Crowns per quarter, which is more than enough to buy one DLC per quarter, so you essentially do get ownership of the DLC with your sub, as long as you aren't spending more than 2000 of those free Crowns per quarter on fluff and shortcuts.

Duiwel · February 2016

I will say this slowly:

Sub - scri - bing

means the following:

While you are subscribed you do not have any restrictions, you have access to all DLC and do not need to purchase it, while subscribed. You also recieve 10% exp and inspiration boost. You also get a nice crown bonus equal in value to your subscription. ( most ppl who sub but plan to stop use these crowns to buy the DLC ).

Simple enough?

Literally any game with a sub or premium content works like this. Hell even some social perks in real life work like this. VIP access > peasant access.

JamilaRaj · February 2016

Perhaps he was confused by that We don't want the player to worry about which parts of the game to pay for - with our system, they get it all thing, because right now it seems as though they wanted players to worry about which parts of the game to pay for, and not giving it all, not even to subscribers. I, for one, find such reversals very confusing!

JD2013 · February 2016

Tyrion87 wrote: »

Irrespective of the fact that OP doesn't understand the obvious thing of how subbing works regarding the access to DLC's, he's right in one matter - and I saw that it was pointed out many times on the forum.
The thing is the access to DLC should be kept after unsubbing if the player was a subscriber for a certain period of time. E.g. if the player is a subscriber for at least 4 months, he should acquire ownership of one DLC, for at least 8 months - two DLCs, etc.
If subscription works this way, I would be a subscriber too.

Illogical argument due to the fact that had this stayed a sub only game, you would have lost access to the whole game if you unsubscribed, not just the DLC.

You get enough crowns from sub to look at buying DLC if you need. I'm sitting on 16,000 crowns so far.

It's a perk of subscribing. You get to play all content. Like any MMO with a sub.

WillhelmBlack · February 2016

@JD2013 16,000! Are you waiting for the big one?

and get back to work!

NewBlacksmurf · February 2016

Troneon wrote: »

They should make it so once you have been subscribed for 4-6 months or something you can get one DLC for free...

???? 3000+ crowns cover it. What are you doing with your crowns?

JD2013 · February 2016

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

@JD2013 16,000! Are you waiting for the big one?

and get back to work!

These forums keep me going during work, Wil!

Enodoc · February 2016

JamilaRaj wrote: »

Perhaps he was confused by that We don't want the player to worry about which parts of the game to pay for - with our system, they get it all thing, because right now it seems as though they wanted players to worry about which parts of the game to pay for, and not giving it all, not even to subscribers. I, for one, find such reversals very confusing!

I don't think a quote that applies to a business model that no longer exists is particularly useful.

mdylan2013 · February 2016

Stinkur wrote: »

or like so many others,,,,, we will just go to next MMO and let ESO die out cause they didnt listen to twitch players,,,, buh bye

Oh noes not the twitch players!

Abeille · February 2016

JamilaRaj wrote: »

Perhaps he was confused by that We don't want the player to worry about which parts of the game to pay for - with our system, they get it all thing, because right now it seems as though they wanted players to worry about which parts of the game to pay for, and not giving it all, not even to subscribers. I, for one, find such reversals very confusing!

Subscribers do get access to the entire game, though.

Thing is, once you unsubscribe, you are not a subscriber anymore. I can't make it simpler than this.

Niaver · February 2016

*facepalm*

Marrtha · February 2016

It actually makes sense.

You subscribe, you get to experience the entire game.

You don't, you can still experience the game, just not the juicy DLCs.

I feel lucky they made them available for crowns (outside the subscription) so I could buy them, since I refuse to sub.

And this was all explained by them, what is the issue here? As someone wrote above, learn to read problem.

MrDerrikk · February 2016

@Enodoc, what happened to your lighthouse picture? (off topic I know).

izJordy · February 2016

so what you thought was.. you can spend 12$ for one month and after that month you don't need to sub anymore or spend anything and you'll keep all the DLC..

well no doesn't work like that, you get 1500 crowns for 1 month sub, save up the crowns, so if you been a sub for 8 months you'll have a total of 12,000 crowns, with those crowns you can permenantly buy all the DLCS.

Kas · February 2016

Stinkur wrote: »

My point is once you pay for DLC it should always be avilable up to point of paying.........

can please also tell that to: pay tv venors, expensive club memberships, mobile and data plans, oh an every single subscription thing in the world?

Lysette · February 2016

Stinkur wrote: »

so not subbing, no loyalty,... i should have just not sub'ed and paid for content that I wanted?

That makes so much sense,.....

First of all, subscription or not has nothing to do with loyalty at all. Subcription comes with a package of services, like more XP gain, access to all DLCs and crowns. This is the package you buy with your money. If you stop buying, it is clear that this package is no longer available - just put a NO inf front of all these benefits and you see, how it works:

1. NO access to DLCs
2. NO additional 10% XP gain
3. NO allotment of 1500 crowns per month paid subscription

IC is a DLC - so you unsub, you have no access to it any longer - what is so hard to understand with that?

Robotmafia · February 2016

lol you trollin bro? thats exactly how they explained it worked :P and no annoucements??? you clearly are to lazy to read.. i even got an email for the next dlc..

Lysette · February 2016

JamilaRaj wrote: »

Perhaps he was confused by that We don't want the player to worry about which parts of the game to pay for - with our system, they get it all thing, because right now it seems as though they wanted players to worry about which parts of the game to pay for, and not giving it all, not even to subscribers. I, for one, find such reversals very confusing!

That is what I like with EVE online - you can just play it for longer than 30 days, if you subscribe and just as long as you are subscribed. You dont have to pay for any expansion ever, it is all included. Just certain cosmetical items or special services like character trransfers between accounts and so are extra priced. But otherwise you sub, you can play the game in full, you unsub, the game is paused for you - you don't loose anything, you just cannot play it while not subcribed - but you can sub at any time again and continue your adventure - I actually like this model a lot, given that EVE online is nearly bug free, well maintained, well balanced and they monitor the economy and usage of ships and modules carefully to keep it in balance so that there is no FotM issue in EVE. ZOS might some day as well get to a point, where they understand that this is important.

Edit.; and much more important - EVE has no end game, it would take 22 years to max all out and in the meantime new stuff and new skills would be invented and added to the game. The lack of an endgame is what makes it so enjoyable and that skill-training is time based, not grind based. I can happily play ESO, will I keep progressing in EVE - I do not have to login to progress, what is as well nice for casual players with not that much time to play. It feels a lot more relaxed this way.