Honestly you're right and he is wrong.

As someone els here mentioned, maybe you should find another player of the same class, that is wearing medium armor and group up with both of them at the same time. Let your new friend show off a bit infront of your old friend, it might shatter his tiny little fragile illusion of how damage is dealth, and encourage him to try medium armor.

If that doesn't work, pray to the gods or don't group with him alone for situations where you might struggle. Always bring at least one more person to your team, to make things easier for yourself.
-it might even affect the loot for the better, since you can kill faster and can rush from place to place.

Thorn416 wrote: »

SirDopey wrote: »

Thorn416 wrote: »

Okay, so this dude I play with, he's DPS, I always knew his damage was less than stellar but I dealt with it because he's my buddy.

The other day, I noticed this *** guy is wearing SEVEN pieces heavy armour! He's a stamina build! DPS! HEAVY ARMOUR! He won't even do 5 heavy 2 medium. We spend all our time debating it now and it sucks lol.

Normally I would say to each his own but in this case we rely on each other most times (especially in the sewers because I don't like big groups down there) so his DPS has to be up there while I handle support in gank situations.

Do any of you know of someone doing the same thing successfully? Is he dumb or am I lol

Actually, there's a NB on PC | NA at the moment wearing all Heavy Impenetrable in my guild, I play with most nights. While he doesn't have the insane burst damage my NB does he still hits hard, but more importantly, is extremely hard to kill. He has about 2.9k WD and 30K stamina which is enough to wear most players down once they've used up their resources on him.

You need to know how to play the class to make it work. He does spend a lot of time in the sewers using rapids and aggro'ing banners to wipe small groups

This is the kind of info I was hoping for. That's really interesting man, I wish my friend was a NB that would probably work better with the full heavy thing

What class is he/she?

Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »

Most_Awesome wrote: »

What class and race is he, if hes a Nord or Orc he can go the HP regen route and become immortal in 7hvy.

That would be epic for a dps. Why not have heaps of life but no dps as a dps.

Well...well.....A dead DPS =0 dps

Plus the HP Orc regen build can still dish out damage

SirDopey wrote: »

Thorn416 wrote: »

SirDopey wrote: »

Thorn416 wrote: »

Okay, so this dude I play with, he's DPS, I always knew his damage was less than stellar but I dealt with it because he's my buddy.

The other day, I noticed this *** guy is wearing SEVEN pieces heavy armour! He's a stamina build! DPS! HEAVY ARMOUR! He won't even do 5 heavy 2 medium. We spend all our time debating it now and it sucks lol.

Normally I would say to each his own but in this case we rely on each other most times (especially in the sewers because I don't like big groups down there) so his DPS has to be up there while I handle support in gank situations.

Do any of you know of someone doing the same thing successfully? Is he dumb or am I lol

Actually, there's a NB on PC | NA at the moment wearing all Heavy Impenetrable in my guild, I play with most nights. While he doesn't have the insane burst damage my NB does he still hits hard, but more importantly, is extremely hard to kill. He has about 2.9k WD and 30K stamina which is enough to wear most players down once they've used up their resources on him.

You need to know how to play the class to make it work. He does spend a lot of time in the sewers using rapids and aggro'ing banners to wipe small groups

This is the kind of info I was hoping for. That's really interesting man, I wish my friend was a NB that would probably work better with the full heavy thing

What class is he/she?

templar

Thorn416 wrote: »

SirDopey wrote: »

Thorn416 wrote: »

SirDopey wrote: »

Thorn416 wrote: »

Okay, so this dude I play with, he's DPS, I always knew his damage was less than stellar but I dealt with it because he's my buddy.

The other day, I noticed this *** guy is wearing SEVEN pieces heavy armour! He's a stamina build! DPS! HEAVY ARMOUR! He won't even do 5 heavy 2 medium. We spend all our time debating it now and it sucks lol.

Normally I would say to each his own but in this case we rely on each other most times (especially in the sewers because I don't like big groups down there) so his DPS has to be up there while I handle support in gank situations.

Do any of you know of someone doing the same thing successfully? Is he dumb or am I lol

Actually, there's a NB on PC | NA at the moment wearing all Heavy Impenetrable in my guild, I play with most nights. While he doesn't have the insane burst damage my NB does he still hits hard, but more importantly, is extremely hard to kill. He has about 2.9k WD and 30K stamina which is enough to wear most players down once they've used up their resources on him.

You need to know how to play the class to make it work. He does spend a lot of time in the sewers using rapids and aggro'ing banners to wipe small groups

This is the kind of info I was hoping for. That's really interesting man, I wish my friend was a NB that would probably work better with the full heavy thing

What class is he/she?

templar

He can slot repentance, it costs 0 resources to use and puts his regen up by 10% for all resources.

He can lvl up Legerdemain by killing livestock animals or looting chests in pve, spend those 4 skillpoints for 40% reduced sneak cost passive skill.

not just play how he wants? he might really like his play style

nbksaske wrote: »

not just play how he wants? he might really like his play style

I'm sure most people enjoy playing this game, however they play it.

But please understand this: wearing what you want and play how you like is only viable for solo pve and pvp, because in a group you will either positively or negatively affect your team mates.

In this case he is literally making their grind slow + needs resource support because he runs out of stamina. He is affecting their group play negatively. That is why OP is frustrated and makes this post here.

Saint314Louis1985 wrote: »

the op probably made this post to use as backup to tell his friend that he was right about heavy armor dps.

him and his friend probably have argued about this before and he has more than likely told him that heavy armor dps sucks in discussion.

they are probably good enough friends and realize this is a game and wont be offended if one or the other was right or wrong.

the op probably hopes that when he goes to his friend and tells him that most people on the forums agree with him it will finally convince his friend to try out medium armor as a dps.

they will probably still be friends after this little post was made unless his friend gets really butthurt over his mistake.

anyone who thinks that the op was totally out of line by making this post may be too into their own feelings and too sensitive over game build designs and cant handle criticism themselves.

just saying.

back off the op some hes just trying to figure out if him or his buddy was wrong.

DING DING DING! If I didn't know better I'd think you had us under surveillance lol but yeah this is just me looking for outside confirmation to prove it one way or the other

Thorn416 wrote: »

i'm a healer so yeah my spell damage is only like 2400 lol

I play with three friends, and we had to make some group role adjustments. The guy who was originally going to be the tank couldn't get the hang of blocking and moving out of AoEs, so I took it over, and he went to dps. Another guy couldn't get the hang of healing OR tanking, so is our other dps. None of us are V16 yet, but my projection is that guy #1 will be lucky to hit 15k dps there, and guy #2 will be lucky to hit 10k dps (neither has been able to get the hang of attack weaving, heck I can barely do it).

So, we did two things. First, we got guy #2 to run FTC so he could see his dps, and start figuring out how to at least bring it up to "ok" levels. Second, I've adjusted my tanking build to contribute some dps, and the healer adjusted his build to contribute even more dps (easier for a healer than a tank to add dps, he at least has high magicka, I'm more balanced). If this guy is in all heavy armor, maybe you don't worry so much about healing him, and focus on dps more?

While I'm sure we couldn't do the really high end hard content, we are at least making it through vet dungeons, which we weren't before because it took too long to drop bosses and sooner or later we would miss a mechanic and tpk.

It might also be particularly effective if next time you fight something reasonably tough, each of you takes turns soloing it. If you kill it in half the time he does, and especially if he can't do it at all without you spamming spears to him, that might be convincing.

RatedChaotic wrote: »

Ya too be good in this game you have to wear certain armor types, only have certain skills on your bars, only use certain weapons, only use certain enchants, have your cps put in certain areas, and must follow online builds.

BS

Blasphemy! How dare they make your spells more efficient if you're wearing a robe when you want to wear a heavy armor?

In all seriousness though, you absolutely don't need to follow anyone's builds. You just need some common sense and persistence to figure things out by and for yourself, and chances are you'll actually come up with something similar to the online builds(for example I never really looked sorc builds up, I have seen them but that was mainly after I figured my setup out, but there're only so many skills sorc have for efficient dps, easy enough to see what rotations help me kill stuff faster). Or maybe not, maybe you'll make your own awesome build! Give it a try
The reason most people use online builds is, tbh, because lazy. There's nothing wrong with that, it is just a game and "I just want to have fun with friends and not suck without wasting a month theorycrafting" is a perfectly valid opinion. It is weird, however, to eagerly look up a build, copy it exactly and then complain about lack of versatility and "having to follow cookie cutter build"(not a jab at you specifically so please don't take offence, just a general notice).

You can still make a lot of things work, though as a pure PvE dps options are somewhat limited(wtb softcaps!). PvP and, say, tanking offer a bit more options because the ideal build for those is not a glass cannon with everything specced into damage.