One of us is definitely *** crazy

Thorn416 · February 2016

Okay, so this dude I play with, he's DPS, I always knew his damage was less than stellar but I dealt with it because he's my buddy.

The other day, I noticed this *** guy is wearing SEVEN pieces heavy armour! He's a stamina build! DPS! HEAVY ARMOUR! He won't even do 5 heavy 2 medium. We spend all our time debating it now and it sucks lol.

Normally I would say to each his own but in this case we rely on each other most times (especially in the sewers because I don't like big groups down there) so his DPS has to be up there while I handle support in gank situations.

Do any of you know of someone doing the same thing successfully? Is he dumb or am I lol

Saint314Louis1985 · February 2016

you need atleast 5 pc medium for stam dps to be decent

his sustain has to absolutely suck and his dps has to be pretty low if he sticks with the 5 heavy.

Lightninvash · February 2016

Saint314Louis1985 wrote: »

you need atleast 5 pc medium for stam dps

this haha heavy is for tanking /survivability and dps will be lacking majorly. if you do this

I mean its not impossible.. I used to be heavy armor healer and I was a sustain champ I outlasted dpsers in pvp they would drain their stam and I would take my time and finish them because I had high hp 30k+ish and my heals so it worked( didn't get ganked due to high hp but damage was so lowww)

RatedChaotic · February 2016

His toon. His way of playing. Deal with it. Or move on.

Can lead a horse to water.............

vyrusb23 · February 2016

Thorn416 wrote: »

Okay, so this dude I play with, he's DPS, I always knew his damage was less than stellar but I dealt with it because he's my buddy.

The other day, I noticed this *** guy is wearing SEVEN pieces heavy armour! He's a stamina build! DPS! HEAVY ARMOUR! He won't even do 5 heavy 2 medium. We spend all our time debating it now and it sucks lol.

Normally I would say to each his own but in this case we rely on each other most times (especially in the sewers because I don't like big groups down there) so his DPS has to be up there while I handle support in gank situations.

Do any of you know of someone doing the same thing successfully? Is he dumb or am I lol

Does it cause problems in your gaming? Do you find yourself repeatedly dying? Or is it just because it isn't optimal?

MaxwellC · February 2016

I use to DPS tank in PvP a lot and even competing with players who were running groups I played solo and managed to always rank top 10. I did wear 5 heavy n 2 med back then but now I go 5 med 2 heavy as I wanted more DPS but nevertheless I was still able to 1 v x with both sets.

Mettaricana · February 2016

Yep I met a sorcerer with 7 pc heavy and endurance rings and was a dualwield dps he said he had 50 in hp enchanted for hp and magicka. .... I'm like wut? Pretty much took him 4+6 Hits to kill a level 30 mud crab

He did not ise frags or bound or inner light... just used liquid, surge, endless, rapid and steel tornado...

Zerok · February 2016

Mettaricana wrote: »

Yep I met a sorcerer with 7 pc heavy and endurance rings and was a dualwield dps he said he had 50 in hp enchanted for hp and magicka. .... I'm like wut? Pretty much took him 4+6 Hits to kill a level 30 mud crab

He did not ise frags or bound or inner light... just used liquid, surge, endless, rapid and steel tornado...

Mudcrabs are OP.

Gilvoth · February 2016

RatedChaotic wrote: »

His toon. His way of playing. Deal with it. Or move on.

Can lead a horse to water.............

as long as you have a calm and peacefull full explanation with some one about what is bothering you.
then this above quote is allways ALLWAYS going to be the case.
just talk it over with them, then realize its THIER CHARACTER and thier choice to do as they wish.
its amazing and shocking that this is not common knowledge.

Mashille · February 2016

ESO: 'Play how you want to play'

Ragnarock1982 · February 2016

Zerok wrote: »

Mettaricana wrote: »

Yep I met a sorcerer with 7 pc heavy and endurance rings and was a dualwield dps he said he had 50 in hp enchanted for hp and magicka. .... I'm like wut? Pretty much took him 4+6 Hits to kill a level 30 mud crab

He did not ise frags or bound or inner light... just used liquid, surge, endless, rapid and steel tornado...

Mudcrabs are OP.

They need to be nerfed...petition?

On topic, I use 7 heavy armor for my templar tank. Should I not be?

KatzMainTank · February 2016

I don't think it's worth the drop in DPS to go pure Heavy Armor. Then again I'm not exactly up to date on the numbers for damage reduction from Heavy Armor in combination with other factors. I usually follow the general rule of 5/1/1 or 5/2 and go light armor for the passives which are great for builds with a majority of magicka utility. It is his toon and his choice in how it's built, but that doesn't mean y'all can't debate it.

I love debating builds with my friends. Eventually the opinions turn into someone saying "F'it, I'm gonna test it..." and lets everyone know if it's worth a go or not. Even if it is a viable build, the player's play-style alone could make the build not worth it for them. You should test out Heavy Armor to see for yourself if he's craycray.

Rosveen · February 2016

There really is no point in going full heavy as DPS, not even for looks. You can achieve a heavy armor look with 5 or even just 2 pieces, or a costume. Did your friend explain why he chose full heavy?

Ragnarock1982 · February 2016

With my 7 heavy and points in stamina, I find that my stamina skills like low blow and pierce armor deal quite a bit of damage. 2-3 hits for most pve mobs.

Cazzy · February 2016

I go full heavy simply because I don't group and mainly PvE. So I need to be everything wrapped in a little bad*** bundle

Thelon · February 2016

Decayed_Inside · February 2016

I still get people telling me to wear all heavy not light. Like ok no thanks i'm a dps...

Thorn416 · February 2016

RatedChaotic wrote: »

His toon. His way of playing. Deal with it. Or move on.

Can lead a horse to water.............

"Normally I would say to each his own but in this case we rely on each other most times (especially in the sewers because I don't like big groups down there) so his DPS has to be up there while I handle support in gank situations."

Because you obviously didnt read that part

vyrusb23 · February 2016

Thorn416 wrote: »

RatedChaotic wrote: »

His toon. His way of playing. Deal with it. Or move on.

Can lead a horse to water.............

"Normally I would say to each his own but in this case we rely on each other most times (especially in the sewers because I don't like big groups down there) so his DPS has to be up there while I handle support in gank situations."

Because you obviously didnt read that part

@Thorn416

Does it cause problems in your gaming? Do you find yourself repeatedly dying? Or is it just because it isn't optimal?

bedlom · February 2016

If you are smart you will let yr friend enjoy HIS game the way he wants to before you dnt have any buddies to play with.

Worry more about yr character and not other peoples.

Thorn416 · February 2016

Rosveen wrote: »

There really is no point in going full heavy as DPS, not even for looks. You can achieve a heavy armor look with 5 or even just 2 pieces, or a costume. Did your friend explain why he chose full heavy?

Not really, he just decided to do that I guess and he says his stamina is fine even though I have to through him a shard after 15 seconds of moving in stealth (--__--)

Merkabeh · February 2016

Had a friend running full HA on 2h DD...I gifted him a set of Medium Hundings and partial Night's silence, so he could try it out.

He made the change.

Perhaps if you craft, just hook him up with something that performs better; let the game do the convincing.

Thorn416 · February 2016

bedlom wrote: »

If you are smart you will let yr friend enjoy HIS game the way he wants to before you dnt have any buddies to play with.

Worry more about yr character and not other peoples.

Man stfu this isnt an argument. We play as a team so our builds affect each other.

I can promise you he would throw a *** fit if I took luminous shards off my bar lol

Solid_Metal · February 2016

i watch some youtube videos in the past about heavy armor DPS, it is possible, but still didn't optimize well enought like medium armor user, and those build primarly if i remember correctly, more like hybrid between DPS and tank

if he want to be full DPS, you might want to give him source to DPS build etc2 and tell the effect in your group play

vyrusb23 · February 2016

@Thorn416

I don't know why you're not answering my questions. I'm not trying to troll, I'm not trying to bait, I'd really like to know the answers so that I can make an educated response.

How does it affect your gameplay? Does it take too long to kill things? Do you and your friend die repeatedly? Is it just a min/max issue?

He won't give a reason (good or bad) why he chooses to wear nothing but heavy armor?

Thorn416 · February 2016

vyrusb23 wrote: »

@Thorn416

I don't know why you're not answering my questions. I'm not trying to troll, I'm not trying to bait, I'd really like to know the answers so that I can make an educated response.

How does it affect your gameplay? Does it take too long to kill things? Do you and your friend die repeatedly? Is it just a min/max issue?

He won't give a reason (good or bad) why he chooses to wear nothing but heavy armor?

My bad man, yeah his dps isn't optimal but It's not horrible either because he buffs up and spams WB ( I know he's a dickhead for that lol)

The main concern is his lack of stamina sustainability. He doesn't have those medium armour cost reduction passives and and in the sewers, if we decide to sneak through one of those corridors between rooms, he enters the room with way too little stamina for a sudden fight.

All in all, it's an unnecessary liablity that's sometimes costs us both

RatedChaotic · February 2016

Thorn416 wrote: »

RatedChaotic wrote: »

His toon. His way of playing. Deal with it. Or move on.

Can lead a horse to water.............

"Normally I would say to each his own but in this case we rely on each other most times (especially in the sewers because I don't like big groups down there) so his DPS has to be up there while I handle support in gank situations."

Because you obviously didnt read that part

Yes I did read it all. My point still stands. You can inform him of all the pros/cons Whether it be pvp or pve, a tank or dps. But no matter what it still remains his toon and hes going to do what he likes. A friend wouldnt come to the forums to tell everyone his friend sucks if they only play together all the time. To me thats not being a friend to him. Thats being an a**hole. If I was your friend and seen this thread about me I'd say p**s off find someonelse to play with then.

Craft him some stuff and ask him to try it (nicely) and see if it helps you both. If he doesnt agree. Try adding a 3rd person to your group for more dps and leave him be. The only way he will get better is trying stuff out on his own. He will either see the light or he wont. Its his choice and will remain his choice, doesnt mean you'll agree with it.

Thorn416 · February 2016

RatedChaotic wrote: »

Thorn416 wrote: »

RatedChaotic wrote: »

His toon. His way of playing. Deal with it. Or move on.

Can lead a horse to water.............

"Normally I would say to each his own but in this case we rely on each other most times (especially in the sewers because I don't like big groups down there) so his DPS has to be up there while I handle support in gank situations."

Because you obviously didnt read that part

Yes I did read it all. My point still stands. You can inform him of all the pros/cons Whether it be pvp or pve, a tank or dps. But no matter what it still remains his toon and hes going to do what he likes. If I had a friend that bugged me constantly on how to play I wouldnt be a friend to him. A friend wouldnt come to the forums to tell everyone his friend sucks if they only play together all the time. To me thats not being a friend to him. Thats being an a**hole.

Craft him some stuff and ask him to try it (nicely) and see if it helps you both. If he doesnt agree. Try adding a 3rd person to your group for more dps and leave him be. The only way he will get better is trying stuff out on his own. He will either see the light or he wont. Its his choice and will remain his choice, doesnt mean you'll agree with it.

You keep mentioning that it's" his choice" as if I'm threatening to beat him up if he doesn't change?

All I asked was is he right and his build is somehow viable, or am I right and he's hurting his DPS?

Nobody is forcing anyone. I have people that have much higher DPS on my friends list and I use them accordingly. Just trying to figure something out

vyrusb23 · February 2016

I think what it really comes down to is this: Are you both enjoying your experience while playing together?

If this heavy armor issue is taking away from the enjoyment of your time playing together, then it's definitely worth addressing in a frank and honest manner.

If it's just that the two of you have a marginally more difficult time fighting through dungeons and quests, I'd leave it be and let your friend play his character the way he wants to.

BurtFreeman · February 2016

with 7 piece ov heavy and the use of proper skills and cp you may become unkillable, if your main role is thanking; depends how you play, the race and the skill you use.
maximum dps should not always the winner in a build, if you have other priority.
you can have a hudge dps effective against 1 target, but do not means that the lower dps build sucks against a large mobs, where you build your damage over time.
anyway, after you level up is not wrong to keep all the same armor piece.

Magdalina · February 2016

He is hurting his dps. You could probably make it viable with right sets/enchants - some mediocre dps, decent sustain and a bit of sturdiness if that's what you prefer but it sounds as though your friend just feels like sticking with what he originally chose for whatever reason(lore? Like, "I want to be a fierce nord berseker in heavy armor"?(not sarcasm, this could be a legit reason for someone) Looks? Heavy armor does look cool) rather than carefully plan out a build utilizing HA strengths and minimizing its weaknesses(which do outweigh the strengths atm). I had a friend like that, she was very determined in playing all heavy but she saw the light eventually and was really happy when she could do all the harder dungeons and everything with the rest of us finally

Try to have him try it out perhaps? Craft him a medium armor set, give some tips on how to use it maybe. One thing that always seems to stand true is people hate being forced to do something in a video game. Don't do it in the "your dps sucks man, wear medium or gtfo" form, try something along the lines of "would you perhaps be interested in tying this setup out? I'll help you get it done and level/test it, I think you might like it more than your current one. If you don't, no harm done".

My friend always got very...sensitive about being "told how to play", what made her change her opinion eventually was simply seeing us do much better than her in more challenging content, she eventually decided to give it a try and we were more than willing to provide her with some help and tips.