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I don't really play stam dk myself because I never do pvp, and caltrops is required for all stam builds. that's why i only play magika ^_^ . Although, I've been with guild members and they've been playing as stam dk and it's awesome. here is a video showing how good dk dps is from a great player: I don't know though his exact build.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nFq9m5RNA4
Look at his bar and weapons - I can guarantee you he's using Maelstrom Daggers. That's the build I'm aiming for, but there's no way I can complete VMA on my Stam DK right now.. Your guildmate's build will not do that much DPS if he didn't have Maelstrom Daggers..
Lots of people have Magicka Sorcs for farming content like VMSA, etc.
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✭They need to be careful what they do with DKs. While magica may beef a buff, stam DKs are insanely strong as it is already.
Of course, my stam Dk wouldn't turn down a buff
If you're talking about PvP, Stam DKs are not strong - it's 2H (Crit Rush, WB) and Medium Armor Passive that are strong. Most Stam DKs only use Leap or CCs in PvP from their skill trees.
If you're talking about PvE, Stam DKs can barely compete in end-game stuff.
None of my other characters can drop a huge damage physical Ult to a group of people and CC them. That can almost wipe small groups alone.
My stam Dk out performs my stam Sorc even though they both use 2h as primary dps.
Yes, Stam DKs are one of the strongest Stam users in PvP - they mostly just lack mobility (lack of an escape skill). And you could argue they can't use any skills from their trees for high burst DPS (most use 2H skills or S&B)
But my problem is with end-game PvE
End game group pve, stam dk dps is top 3 for the same reason it's top 3 in pvp. Physical damage ultimate, earthen heart passive for minor brutality which stacks with major brutality. In dungeons and trials, as long as you have a healer, dps is untouched.
But yes, it's not a good build for soloing group dungeons or doing vma.Bosmer Stamina NB
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phillyproduct✭✭✭Lightninvash wrote: »phillyproduct wrote: »Well ...
http://imgur.com/bT4U3oh
This is over a month old at this point I believe. By now I can hit 32k+.
My build is different from the build Fear Turbo uses and does considerably more damage.
This can compete quite well with Magicka Sorcs / DKs
Yup, but the problem I'm running into is that I can't get the weapons I need to perfect that build.. There's no way I'll get VMA done on my Stam DK on console.. That's why I have to spam WB or Slashes with my DoTs right now, and that's not very effective :S
Heavy Weave Steel Tornado with Igneous Weapons up and heal yourself with vigor.
I clear vMA always without Maelstrom Weapons. They are not good for it.
No I didn't mean VMA is hard because I don't have the Daggers, I meant it's hard as a Stam DK in general. The DK leaderboards for VMA on PS4 are almost empty.. There's 10-12 players on it with scores of 219 or 200 or so.. I think most of these guys are Magicka DKs anyways.. I don't know how hard it is on PC - I've heard key binds make some stuff easier to pull of (like S&B bash cancel)..
This is a lie.
The number one dk. Aproblemor2 is the number one dk on the ps4 server he is in my guild and is a stam dk he has flawless conqueror and only plays stam dk.
He was beating it before the daggers and still uses 2h bow. A few of my guild mates have attempted it on stam dk it's hard but stam vma is hard period
Plz don't spread lies on the forums because you cant complete vma stam no one else can, that's not true
And FYI he was betting it under 300 cps have the screen shot to prove it
Either you don't know how to read, or maybe you're just slow. Please re-read my comment and try to understand it before calling me a liar..
Your guildmate completed VMA as a Stam DK? Great job. Now please point out where I said that Stam DKs cannot complete it at all? It's much easier for Magicka guys to get through, and apparently you think that's okay. Please tell me, is your main a Magicka Sorc?
Magicka builds get through it with relative ease. That is not what you call balance..
Here, let's go through my previous comment sentence by sentence so that it's easier for someone like you to understand:
Please tell me how one guy getting through means filling a leaderboard? Or does your leaderboard only consist of one person?"No I didn't mean VMA is hard because I don't have the Daggers, I meant it's hard as a Stam DK in general. The DK leaderboards for VMA on PS4 are almost empty.. "
Do you want me to put a screenshot of this? Are you telling me you don't see people with scores of 200 on the DK VMA leaderboard?"There's 10-12 players on it with scores of 219 or 200 or so.."
Still holds true. Just because one guy, aka your friend, completed it as a Stam DK doesn't mean all others are Stam DKs too. Keywords in my sentence being "I think" and "most"."I think most of these guys are Magicka DKs anyways.. "
And again, please learn to read before calling someone a liar.
VMA was meant to be hard bud. Spamming wb will not help you through it as per your previous statement about using dots and Wb. gna need more than that to get through something like VMA. Just a suggestion not being snarky or anything
Yes, I understand it's meant to be hard. Please note that I am NOT asking for it to be nerfed in any way.
But my gripe is with two things:
1. Magicka builds get through VMA with relative ease, especially Sorcs, as compared to Stamina builds. All I'm asking for is balance.. And even as Magicka DKs, it's quite hard compared to other Magicka users (and this can be seen when someone looks at the leaderboards)
2. As a Stam DK, all I have for high DPS is WB, Rending Slashes, or Rapid Strikes (given that I use 2H, with DW or Bow). We have no class skills that can be called a high damage Stamina skill.. And yes, before someone points it out yet again, let me state that I use 4-5 DoTs in conjunction with these skills..
I don't spam WB on adds ofcourse - I know when I need to use what skill. Typically I use WB ONLY for single target boss fights, and Steel tornado for AoEs.. This is not only a VMA problem, it's an end-game PvE problem, including vICP or vWGT (as stated in my initial post). Without having very specific gear (Maelstrom Daggers), we cannot match the DPS of other classes, especially Magicka Sorcs..
However I do understand where you're coming from, but like I said, I'm not asking for VMA to be nerfed in any way, I'm just asking for a balance, and a major step towards it would be by buffing up some DK skills/passives (in addition with Stam sorcs, and templars in general). Otherwise, 90% of Tamriel will just reroll to a Magicka Sorc. I know I'm about to if they don't announce anything good in the upcoming patch notes..
One I'm a stam nb that I switch to magic from time to time and a stam sorc
Maelstrom is more forgiving as a magic player but stam can burst threw a lot of mechanics the only magic class that can burst threw some mechanics are sorcs I'm
I don't mean to offend you but you have like 4 post and it just sounds like you were crying or complaining about how bad stam dk is when it's not does it need a buff yes it's not as bad off as stam sorc or stamplar.
Every leaderboard on the ps4 has 300 200 scores except sorc I just checked as I posted this so I don't understand what your point is all that tells me is sorc is performing well or theirs a lot off talented players playing that class
Dks need a buff temp needs a buff and sorc needs a buff I think nb is perfect where it is
Edit~ thiers only 4 DKs with a 300 score all the rest are over 100kEdited by phillyproduct on January 30, 2016 5:25AMCP-750 orc nighblade ebonheart NA
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TotterTates✭✭✭✭Im to 99% sure its easier to complete vMSA with a Stam Dk than with a Magicka DK
Haha, good one!
Almost all of the VMA runs done by Youtubers have been on their Magicka DKs.. I've been trying to learn tactics to run it on my Stam guy, but have only found one run on a Stam DK up till now..
My entire build, with stage-by-stage videos are on TF. I also stream quite a few runs every week.Edited by TotterTates on January 30, 2016 6:32AMCuppincakes- Imperial Dragonknight (Tank)
- Pre-TG vMA Score: 459,636 [55:36, 0 Sigils, 0 Deaths] (Stamina)
- Post-TG vMA Score: 537,328 [53:36, 0 Sigils, 0 Deaths] (Stamina)
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cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭If Stam Dks get another buff I might cry. And as for no class abilities? Start using igneous weapons.
Wait what? One heavy attack (yes, I use molten armaments) and you think they're over powered? And that too when you're low on health. It's not that damaging if the other guy is not on low health already..
You're missing the real problem here - the fact that most of us are forced to use weapon skills (as proven by your screenshot) rather than class skills!
Also, my problem is PvE, not PvP..
Well, sorcs are forced into using weapon skills too, sorcs got nothing in the way of a spammable damage skill, just a delayed dps and a hard casted frag that takes forever to throw. At least you DK's got the whip
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Im doing vMA alot too on my stam DK and im on a 447k Score on EU without Sigils ( 1 death ) atm. I dont think Stam DK is "bad" or needs a buff for Pve honestly, you got great single target DPS, easy ressource management and for pvp ppl already gave you some reasons why stam DK is really strong there right now.PC EU
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Arvendir✭✭✭Stamina DKs currently pull off the best DPS numbers of all stamina builds, and are the second most effective stamina build for clearing vMA (second to stamblades). They also currently hold the best 1v1 build and are really good at 1vX. The stamina DK in our guild is competing with magicka sorcs on the DPS meter in trials.
excuse me, do you have a good DPS stam DK build for PvE please?Arvendir, Closed Beta Tester
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✭Stamina DKs currently pull off the best DPS numbers of all stamina builds, and are the second most effective stamina build for clearing vMA (second to stamblades). They also currently hold the best 1v1 build and are really good at 1vX. The stamina DK in our guild is competing with magicka sorcs on the DPS meter in trials.
excuse me, do you have a good DPS stam DK build for PvE please?
Read the entire thread instead of just reading the OP and then commenting, that is the best advice I can give you.0 -
Function✭✭✭Stamina DKs currently pull off the best DPS numbers of all stamina builds, and are the second most effective stamina build for clearing vMA (second to stamblades). They also currently hold the best 1v1 build and are really good at 1vX. The stamina DK in our guild is competing with magicka sorcs on the DPS meter in trials.
excuse me, do you have a good DPS stam DK build for PvE please?
Look at Fear Turbo's build.. he pulls off ridiculous numbers.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nFq9m5RNA4
http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/combustion-fear-turbo-eso-so-serpent-hm-stamina-dk-28-6k-mundus/0 -
DangerMan✭✭✭Stamina DKs currently pull off the best DPS numbers of all stamina builds, and are the second most effective stamina build for clearing vMA (second to stamblades). They also currently hold the best 1v1 build and are really good at 1vX. The stamina DK in our guild is competing with magicka sorcs on the DPS meter in trials.
excuse me, do you have a good DPS stam DK build for PvE please?
Look at Fear Turbo's build.. he pulls off ridiculous numbers.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nFq9m5RNA4
http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/combustion-fear-turbo-eso-so-serpent-hm-stamina-dk-28-6k-mundus/
Yes, and I've mentioned tonnes of times on this thread that you need Maelstrom weapons to pull off those numbers.. Without em you'd be nowhere near that DPS.Flawless MagSorc DPS
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DangerMan✭✭✭TotterTates wrote: »Im to 99% sure its easier to complete vMSA with a Stam Dk than with a Magicka DK
Haha, good one!
Almost all of the VMA runs done by Youtubers have been on their Magicka DKs.. I've been trying to learn tactics to run it on my Stam guy, but have only found one run on a Stam DK up till now..
My entire build, with stage-by-stage videos are on TF. I also stream quite a few runs every week.
Almost every third post on here is saying how DKs can pull off 30k DPS.. Half of them don't realize that you need Maelstrom Dagger to increase the DPS of your DoTs.
Since you have those weapons and have the numbers, do you mind switching to a regular v16 Dagger and comparing some DPS numbers.. I'm interested in seeing what the drop in DPS would be if you use the exact same build/rotation, but without the Maelstrom weapons.. (I'm not talking about VMA, just in general on any dungeon boss)Flawless MagSorc DPS
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✭Stamina DKs currently pull off the best DPS numbers of all stamina builds, and are the second most effective stamina build for clearing vMA (second to stamblades). They also currently hold the best 1v1 build and are really good at 1vX. The stamina DK in our guild is competing with magicka sorcs on the DPS meter in trials.
excuse me, do you have a good DPS stam DK build for PvE please?
Look at Fear Turbo's build.. he pulls off ridiculous numbers.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nFq9m5RNA4
http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/combustion-fear-turbo-eso-so-serpent-hm-stamina-dk-28-6k-mundus/
Yes, and I've mentioned tonnes of times on this thread that you need Maelstrom weapons to pull off those numbers.. Without em you'd be nowhere near that DPS.
A DK can focus crit and pretty much use the same rotation, or you can swap Rapid Srike for Flying Blade. Keep in mind that with Maelstrom weapons, you'll lose enchants and as well as set pieces. The difference without them is not as stark as you seem to believe. The most important part of these builds is not having Maelstrom Weapons. It's knowing how to HA weave. Much of the build's damage comes from Igneous Weapons buffed HA's.0 -
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✭✭✭What are the DK buffs?Rest in Peace:
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Flak✭✭✭✭Any class can pull off very good damage, whether it's stamina or magicka, although it's harder for some. I play Magicka DK now and played Stam DK before IC, I don't think they need a damage buff. It's just the utility that they lack. No decent heal, no speed, no execute, very hard to sustain resources (at least for magicka) and the gap-closer is a CC, which sucks for PvP.
Edit: And if you really want a Stam Whip (why ever), take Flame Lash, don't touch the Molten Whip! Edited by Flak on January 30, 2016 5:46PM
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TotterTates✭✭✭✭TotterTates wrote: »Im to 99% sure its easier to complete vMSA with a Stam Dk than with a Magicka DK
Haha, good one!
Almost all of the VMA runs done by Youtubers have been on their Magicka DKs.. I've been trying to learn tactics to run it on my Stam guy, but have only found one run on a Stam DK up till now..
My entire build, with stage-by-stage videos are on TF. I also stream quite a few runs every week.
Almost every third post on here is saying how DKs can pull off 30k DPS.. Half of them don't realize that you need Maelstrom Dagger to increase the DPS of your DoTs.
Since you have those weapons and have the numbers, do you mind switching to a regular v16 Dagger and comparing some DPS numbers.. I'm interested in seeing what the drop in DPS would be if you use the exact same build/rotation, but without the Maelstrom weapons.. (I'm not talking about VMA, just in general on any dungeon boss)
Oh... I'm a tank... but I can use my vMA build and smack stuff with WB (w/ and w/o the maestrom 2h) if you'd like.Edited by TotterTates on January 30, 2016 5:54PMCuppincakes- Imperial Dragonknight (Tank)
- Pre-TG vMA Score: 459,636 [55:36, 0 Sigils, 0 Deaths] (Stamina)
- Post-TG vMA Score: 537,328 [53:36, 0 Sigils, 0 Deaths] (Stamina)
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✭✭TotterTates wrote: »Im to 99% sure its easier to complete vMSA with a Stam Dk than with a Magicka DK
Haha, good one!
Almost all of the VMA runs done by Youtubers have been on their Magicka DKs.. I've been trying to learn tactics to run it on my Stam guy, but have only found one run on a Stam DK up till now..
My entire build, with stage-by-stage videos are on TF. I also stream quite a few runs every week.
Almost every third post on here is saying how DKs can pull off 30k DPS.. Half of them don't realize that you need Maelstrom Dagger to increase the DPS of your DoTs.
Since you have those weapons and have the numbers, do you mind switching to a regular v16 Dagger and comparing some DPS numbers.. I'm interested in seeing what the drop in DPS would be if you use the exact same build/rotation, but without the Maelstrom weapons.. (I'm not talking about VMA, just in general on any dungeon boss)
nearly every class/build does more DPS when using maelstrome-weapons...can't see a problem with it. There are even Stambuilds without maelstrom daggers, just look at them and maybe adapt to your build...Noobplar0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Decayed_Inside wrote: »If they get any buffs they need to lose take flight and have the resource gain toned down from using an ultimate. They are already overpowered in pvp.
The battle roar passive has already took a hit, it's really not exactly game breaking, it's only really noticeable if you use a very high cost ult for like 300 or 250. Even then that is the equivalent of someone using 5-6 soul harvests.
Why take away the only good skill a dk has? In that case nb's soul havest needs to be increased to 115 like take flight, soul tether needs to go to 250 like standard.
Sorc overload needs increased cost to 50 per cast, templar ult's are terrible.
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✭✭✭Decayed_Inside wrote: »If they get any buffs they need to lose take flight and have the resource gain toned down from using an ultimate. They are already overpowered in pvp.
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Decayed_Inside✭✭✭✭Flappy wings needs a nerf too. Needs to be two projectiles like the one handed shield skill. That or it needs the bolt escape treatment. Same with talons too OP for permanently pin someone to the ground needs a nerf or bolt escape treatmentEdited by Decayed_Inside on January 30, 2016 7:42PM1
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Reevster✭✭✭✭✭Dont DKs have mostly magica skills? Wouldn't you need some atribute points in magic and not just stam so you can use those magic based skills? I want to make a Stam/magic DK using Destro staff/Magic on first bar and Bow or 2 hder on second bar , it that workable or just wishful thinking?Edited by Reevster on January 30, 2016 7:58PM0
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Vynist✭✭✭Decayed_Inside wrote: »Flappy wings needs a nerf too. Needs to be two projectiles like the one handed shield skill. That or it needs the bolt escape treatment. Same with talons too OP for permanently pin someone to the ground needs a nerf or bolt escape treatment
lul...
A lot of your posts are "buff templar!" and then a few "nerf this non-templar class!"
I play both DK and Templar, and I get a lot more kill on my templar.
Both classes need work, don't get me wrong, but honestly your past posts make it seem like a L2P issue.
Don't get me wrong either, I don't mean that in a negative way. We all need to learn more to get better, you just need to find what your class is strong at and not find what other classes are strong at and complain about that. Watch some Blab videos if you want to see an OP templar, and he never complains about his class. He simply find his class's strengths, and then uses them.
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✭✭✭✭✭Decayed_Inside wrote: »Flappy wings needs a nerf too. Needs to be two projectiles like the one handed shield skill. That or it needs the bolt escape treatment. Same with talons too OP for permanently pin someone to the ground needs a nerf or bolt escape treatment
Lol great, your pretty much a nerf anything thats not a templar, despite the fact mag dk's are in a far worse place than templars at the moment.
Flappy wings is fine, doesn't work half the time as it is, 4s and 4 projectiles isn't game breaking.
Talons can be purifyed or cleansed. Whats the problem?
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Decayed_Inside✭✭✭✭I play all 4 classes. Stam Dk is the OP meta right now don't act like it isn't. Unfortunately they have to be bad in pve because of how broken they are in pvp. Deal with it. I play magika DK in PVE his dps beats my sorc flat out. Only thing sorc has is overload.Edited by Decayed_Inside on January 30, 2016 8:27PM0
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✭✭Stamina DKs currently pull off the best DPS numbers of all stamina builds, and are the second most effective stamina build for clearing vMA (second to stamblades). They also currently hold the best 1v1 build and are really good at 1vX. The stamina DK in our guild is competing with magicka sorcs on the DPS meter in trials.
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sneakymitchell✭✭✭✭Decayed_Inside wrote: »I play all 4 classes. Stam Dk is the OP meta right now don't act like it isn't. Unfortunately they have to be bad in pve because of how broken they are in pvp. Deal with it. I play magika DK in PVE his dps beats my sorc flat out. Only thing sorc has is overload.
WOW I should play a magicka DK!
https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?&id=OIP.M704cf9585dfd2d9cde3d2926989c9274o0&w=300&h=300&c=0&pid=1.9&rs=0&p=0Edited by sneakymitchell on January 30, 2016 8:37PMNA-Xbox one- Ebonheart Pact- Nord Tank DK
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Decayed_Inside✭✭✭✭I think a lot of old school DK's on here just want to relive their former unkillable glory days. People in game know how strong the DK is so don't mess up ZOS. And i know Sypher DEFINITELY wants to go back to his 1vX unkillable rampages but it's called balance for a reason.Edited by Decayed_Inside on January 30, 2016 8:52PM3
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✭✭✭✭Hope ZOS at least watched it, almost perfect summary. Thats for sure what must be done regarding DK.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vG8uAUG2Vu0 Edited by Cinbri on January 30, 2016 8:45PM2 -
YoloWizard✭✭✭Hope ZOS at least watched it, almost perfect summary. Thats for sure what must be done regarding DK.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vG8uAUG2Vu0
Why should I even complete the vid when he says standard is not very good ultimate?RETIRED
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