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Hundings Rage (crafted items in general) need a nerf
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Yorubuke✭Sallington wrote: »sigh...this is why this thread is as long as it is..no one reads and makes the same silly argument.... hundings maximizes both crit and weapon damage...you augment your regen needs with other sets...you arnt going to wear 9 pieces of hundings..hundings is the baseline 5 piece armor set for BIS
Weapon damage and crit are not the only important stats. I would go as far as to say the double crit bonus is actually a waste.
You sacrifice two set bonus slots to increase a stat that does absolutely nothing when hitting a shielded opponent, and very little when hitting an opponent with impenetrable/resistant.
In other words, hunding is only BIS in your head. Nothing wrong with that, we all have our preferences. But crying for nerfs because of what really is just your subjective opinion? Just no.
its not in my head...go to any build list out there...see how many of them have 5 piece hundings..that is for a reason
I don't care about 'build lists'. I can use my own head. And my head tells me that having 10% higher crit chance when fighting a shield stacking sorc has way less value than any other stat i could use those two set bonuses for.
good thing it gives 300 weapon damage then huh? Oh yeah what other sets give that much weapon damage?sigh...this is why this thread is as long as it is..no one reads and makes the same silly argument.... hundings maximizes both crit and weapon damage...you augment your regen needs with other sets...you arnt going to wear 9 pieces of hundings..hundings is the baseline 5 piece armor set for BIS
Weapon damage and crit are not the only important stats. I would go as far as to say the double crit bonus is actually a waste.
You sacrifice two set bonus slots to increase a stat that does absolutely nothing when hitting a shielded opponent, and very little when hitting an opponent with impenetrable/resistant.
In other words, hunding is only BIS in your head. Nothing wrong with that, we all have our preferences. But crying for nerfs because of what really is just your subjective opinion? Just no.
its not in my head...go to any build list out there...see how many of them have 5 piece hundings..that is for a reason
I don't care about 'build lists'. I can use my own head. And my head tells me that having 10% higher crit chance when fighting a shield stacking sorc has way less value than any other stat i could use those two set bonuses for.
good thing it gives 300 weapon damage then huh? Oh yeah what other sets give that much weapon damage?
Morag Tong gives almost that much with 4 pieces combine that with ur Venom and ud have a good set there
yeah well fitted is amazing..dps loss there
EXACTLY!
You are mad at poor itemization and RNG. Direct your energy there, not nerfing crafted sets.
What he said, ur more upset that ur RNG gave u a bad trait. And u didnt ask about crit, u asked about damage. I could run a 4 piece Morag tong, 4 piece Sheer Venom and 3 peice Shadow Walker and do more DPS than 5 Hundings, 4 Sheer Venom. And all that is bought thru PvP Vendors or Dungeon DropsFor the Dominion.
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✭✭✭✭sigh...this is why this thread is as long as it is..no one reads and makes the same silly argument.... hundings maximizes both crit and weapon damage...you augment your regen needs with other sets...you arnt going to wear 9 pieces of hundings..hundings is the baseline 5 piece armor set for BIS
Weapon damage and crit are not the only important stats. I would go as far as to say the double crit bonus is actually a waste.
You sacrifice two set bonus slots to increase a stat that does absolutely nothing when hitting a shielded opponent, and very little when hitting an opponent with impenetrable/resistant.
In other words, hunding is only BIS in your head. Nothing wrong with that, we all have our preferences. But crying for nerfs because of what really is just your subjective opinion? Just no.
its not in my head...go to any build list out there...see how many of them have 5 piece hundings..that is for a reason
I don't care about 'build lists'. I can use my own head. And my head tells me that having 10% higher crit chance when fighting a shield stacking sorc has way less value than any other stat i could use those two set bonuses for.
good thing it gives 300 weapon damage then huh? Oh yeah what other sets give that much weapon damage?sigh...this is why this thread is as long as it is..no one reads and makes the same silly argument.... hundings maximizes both crit and weapon damage...you augment your regen needs with other sets...you arnt going to wear 9 pieces of hundings..hundings is the baseline 5 piece armor set for BIS
Weapon damage and crit are not the only important stats. I would go as far as to say the double crit bonus is actually a waste.
You sacrifice two set bonus slots to increase a stat that does absolutely nothing when hitting a shielded opponent, and very little when hitting an opponent with impenetrable/resistant.
In other words, hunding is only BIS in your head. Nothing wrong with that, we all have our preferences. But crying for nerfs because of what really is just your subjective opinion? Just no.
its not in my head...go to any build list out there...see how many of them have 5 piece hundings..that is for a reason
I don't care about 'build lists'. I can use my own head. And my head tells me that having 10% higher crit chance when fighting a shield stacking sorc has way less value than any other stat i could use those two set bonuses for.
good thing it gives 300 weapon damage then huh? Oh yeah what other sets give that much weapon damage?
Morag Tong gives almost that much with 4 pieces combine that with ur Venom and ud have a good set there
yeah well fitted is amazing..dps loss thereSallington wrote: »sigh...this is why this thread is as long as it is..no one reads and makes the same silly argument.... hundings maximizes both crit and weapon damage...you augment your regen needs with other sets...you arnt going to wear 9 pieces of hundings..hundings is the baseline 5 piece armor set for BIS
Weapon damage and crit are not the only important stats. I would go as far as to say the double crit bonus is actually a waste.
You sacrifice two set bonus slots to increase a stat that does absolutely nothing when hitting a shielded opponent, and very little when hitting an opponent with impenetrable/resistant.
In other words, hunding is only BIS in your head. Nothing wrong with that, we all have our preferences. But crying for nerfs because of what really is just your subjective opinion? Just no.
its not in my head...go to any build list out there...see how many of them have 5 piece hundings..that is for a reason
I don't care about 'build lists'. I can use my own head. And my head tells me that having 10% higher crit chance when fighting a shield stacking sorc has way less value than any other stat i could use those two set bonuses for.
good thing it gives 300 weapon damage then huh? Oh yeah what other sets give that much weapon damage?sigh...this is why this thread is as long as it is..no one reads and makes the same silly argument.... hundings maximizes both crit and weapon damage...you augment your regen needs with other sets...you arnt going to wear 9 pieces of hundings..hundings is the baseline 5 piece armor set for BIS
Weapon damage and crit are not the only important stats. I would go as far as to say the double crit bonus is actually a waste.
You sacrifice two set bonus slots to increase a stat that does absolutely nothing when hitting a shielded opponent, and very little when hitting an opponent with impenetrable/resistant.
In other words, hunding is only BIS in your head. Nothing wrong with that, we all have our preferences. But crying for nerfs because of what really is just your subjective opinion? Just no.
its not in my head...go to any build list out there...see how many of them have 5 piece hundings..that is for a reason
I don't care about 'build lists'. I can use my own head. And my head tells me that having 10% higher crit chance when fighting a shield stacking sorc has way less value than any other stat i could use those two set bonuses for.
good thing it gives 300 weapon damage then huh? Oh yeah what other sets give that much weapon damage?
Morag Tong gives almost that much with 4 pieces combine that with ur Venom and ud have a good set there
yeah well fitted is amazing..dps loss there
EXACTLY!
You are mad at poor itemization and RNG. Direct your energy there, not nerfing crafted sets.
No I'm directing it at the 5 piece hundings bonus because it adds waaay too much weapon damage to a set that also maximizes crit. It maximizes the 2 most important stats for damage no other set does that
Why would you want more than one set to have the same bonuses?
And what would you get out of being nerfed? To make your PvE drops look better in comparison?
If you think the set is BiS, then make a set. If you're only mad because you think a similar, but better set NEEDS to be gotten from some PvE dungeon, then you're playing the wrong game.Daggerfall Covenant
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✭✭✭✭✭sigh...this is why this thread is as long as it is..no one reads and makes the same silly argument.... hundings maximizes both crit and weapon damage...you augment your regen needs with other sets...you arnt going to wear 9 pieces of hundings..hundings is the baseline 5 piece armor set for BIS
Weapon damage and crit are not the only important stats. I would go as far as to say the double crit bonus is actually a waste.
You sacrifice two set bonus slots to increase a stat that does absolutely nothing when hitting a shielded opponent, and very little when hitting an opponent with impenetrable/resistant.
In other words, hunding is only BIS in your head. Nothing wrong with that, we all have our preferences. But crying for nerfs because of what really is just your subjective opinion? Just no.
its not in my head...go to any build list out there...see how many of them have 5 piece hundings..that is for a reason
I don't care about 'build lists'. I can use my own head. And my head tells me that having 10% higher crit chance when fighting a shield stacking sorc has way less value than any other stat i could use those two set bonuses for.
good thing it gives 300 weapon damage then huh? Oh yeah what other sets give that much weapon damage?sigh...this is why this thread is as long as it is..no one reads and makes the same silly argument.... hundings maximizes both crit and weapon damage...you augment your regen needs with other sets...you arnt going to wear 9 pieces of hundings..hundings is the baseline 5 piece armor set for BIS
Weapon damage and crit are not the only important stats. I would go as far as to say the double crit bonus is actually a waste.
You sacrifice two set bonus slots to increase a stat that does absolutely nothing when hitting a shielded opponent, and very little when hitting an opponent with impenetrable/resistant.
In other words, hunding is only BIS in your head. Nothing wrong with that, we all have our preferences. But crying for nerfs because of what really is just your subjective opinion? Just no.
its not in my head...go to any build list out there...see how many of them have 5 piece hundings..that is for a reason
I don't care about 'build lists'. I can use my own head. And my head tells me that having 10% higher crit chance when fighting a shield stacking sorc has way less value than any other stat i could use those two set bonuses for.
good thing it gives 300 weapon damage then huh? Oh yeah what other sets give that much weapon damage?
Morag Tong gives almost that much with 4 pieces combine that with ur Venom and ud have a good set there
yeah well fitted is amazing..dps loss thereSallington wrote: »sigh...this is why this thread is as long as it is..no one reads and makes the same silly argument.... hundings maximizes both crit and weapon damage...you augment your regen needs with other sets...you arnt going to wear 9 pieces of hundings..hundings is the baseline 5 piece armor set for BIS
Weapon damage and crit are not the only important stats. I would go as far as to say the double crit bonus is actually a waste.
You sacrifice two set bonus slots to increase a stat that does absolutely nothing when hitting a shielded opponent, and very little when hitting an opponent with impenetrable/resistant.
In other words, hunding is only BIS in your head. Nothing wrong with that, we all have our preferences. But crying for nerfs because of what really is just your subjective opinion? Just no.
its not in my head...go to any build list out there...see how many of them have 5 piece hundings..that is for a reason
I don't care about 'build lists'. I can use my own head. And my head tells me that having 10% higher crit chance when fighting a shield stacking sorc has way less value than any other stat i could use those two set bonuses for.
good thing it gives 300 weapon damage then huh? Oh yeah what other sets give that much weapon damage?sigh...this is why this thread is as long as it is..no one reads and makes the same silly argument.... hundings maximizes both crit and weapon damage...you augment your regen needs with other sets...you arnt going to wear 9 pieces of hundings..hundings is the baseline 5 piece armor set for BIS
Weapon damage and crit are not the only important stats. I would go as far as to say the double crit bonus is actually a waste.
You sacrifice two set bonus slots to increase a stat that does absolutely nothing when hitting a shielded opponent, and very little when hitting an opponent with impenetrable/resistant.
In other words, hunding is only BIS in your head. Nothing wrong with that, we all have our preferences. But crying for nerfs because of what really is just your subjective opinion? Just no.
its not in my head...go to any build list out there...see how many of them have 5 piece hundings..that is for a reason
I don't care about 'build lists'. I can use my own head. And my head tells me that having 10% higher crit chance when fighting a shield stacking sorc has way less value than any other stat i could use those two set bonuses for.
good thing it gives 300 weapon damage then huh? Oh yeah what other sets give that much weapon damage?
Morag Tong gives almost that much with 4 pieces combine that with ur Venom and ud have a good set there
yeah well fitted is amazing..dps loss there
EXACTLY!
You are mad at poor itemization and RNG. Direct your energy there, not nerfing crafted sets.
No I'm directing it at the 5 piece hundings bonus because it adds waaay too much weapon damage to a set that also maximizes crit. It maximizes the 2 most important stats for damage no other set does that
Just let me ask this honest question.
You think we SHOULDN'T be able to wear crafting equipment in end game AT ALL?
Like, that all of our sets must be dropped? That's what you want?
I'm asking because at least five pieces of equipment in an end game build can't be crafted already (monster sets plus jewelry), so I really don't see the harm of having the possibility of wearing crafted equipment in five other slots.Edited by Abeille on January 27, 2016 5:54PMJust so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
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Kelleton✭✭✭Sallington wrote: »sigh...this is why this thread is as long as it is..no one reads and makes the same silly argument.... hundings maximizes both crit and weapon damage...you augment your regen needs with other sets...you arnt going to wear 9 pieces of hundings..hundings is the baseline 5 piece armor set for BIS
Weapon damage and crit are not the only important stats. I would go as far as to say the double crit bonus is actually a waste.
You sacrifice two set bonus slots to increase a stat that does absolutely nothing when hitting a shielded opponent, and very little when hitting an opponent with impenetrable/resistant.
In other words, hunding is only BIS in your head. Nothing wrong with that, we all have our preferences. But crying for nerfs because of what really is just your subjective opinion? Just no.
its not in my head...go to any build list out there...see how many of them have 5 piece hundings..that is for a reason
I don't care about 'build lists'. I can use my own head. And my head tells me that having 10% higher crit chance when fighting a shield stacking sorc has way less value than any other stat i could use those two set bonuses for.
good thing it gives 300 weapon damage then huh? Oh yeah what other sets give that much weapon damage?sigh...this is why this thread is as long as it is..no one reads and makes the same silly argument.... hundings maximizes both crit and weapon damage...you augment your regen needs with other sets...you arnt going to wear 9 pieces of hundings..hundings is the baseline 5 piece armor set for BIS
Weapon damage and crit are not the only important stats. I would go as far as to say the double crit bonus is actually a waste.
You sacrifice two set bonus slots to increase a stat that does absolutely nothing when hitting a shielded opponent, and very little when hitting an opponent with impenetrable/resistant.
In other words, hunding is only BIS in your head. Nothing wrong with that, we all have our preferences. But crying for nerfs because of what really is just your subjective opinion? Just no.
its not in my head...go to any build list out there...see how many of them have 5 piece hundings..that is for a reason
I don't care about 'build lists'. I can use my own head. And my head tells me that having 10% higher crit chance when fighting a shield stacking sorc has way less value than any other stat i could use those two set bonuses for.
good thing it gives 300 weapon damage then huh? Oh yeah what other sets give that much weapon damage?
Morag Tong gives almost that much with 4 pieces combine that with ur Venom and ud have a good set there
yeah well fitted is amazing..dps loss there
EXACTLY!
You are mad at poor itemization and RNG. Direct your energy there, not nerfing crafted sets.
What he said, ur more upset that ur RNG gave u a bad trait. And u didnt ask about crit, u asked about damage. I could run a 4 piece Morag tong, 4 piece Sheer Venom and 3 peice Shadow Walker and do more DPS than 5 Hundings, 4 Sheer Venom. And all that is bought thru PvP Vendors or Dungeon Drops
That hundings sheer venom setup is crap..
you brought up the fact that the crit sux in pvp..I said it also maximizes weapon damage...then you come up with this really crappy setup of comparisons.
Hundings maximizes dps..period...that is well established. it maximizes weapon damage and crit. It needs to be brought down.. Yes I'm mad at poor itemization specifically 5 piece hundings rage. because no other set in the game maximizes the 2 most important dps stats in the game.
You should have to pick and choose on your gear not just have a set handed to you that does it all.
Edited by Kelleton on January 27, 2016 5:55PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭Sallington wrote: »sigh...this is why this thread is as long as it is..no one reads and makes the same silly argument.... hundings maximizes both crit and weapon damage...you augment your regen needs with other sets...you arnt going to wear 9 pieces of hundings..hundings is the baseline 5 piece armor set for BIS
Weapon damage and crit are not the only important stats. I would go as far as to say the double crit bonus is actually a waste.
You sacrifice two set bonus slots to increase a stat that does absolutely nothing when hitting a shielded opponent, and very little when hitting an opponent with impenetrable/resistant.
In other words, hunding is only BIS in your head. Nothing wrong with that, we all have our preferences. But crying for nerfs because of what really is just your subjective opinion? Just no.
its not in my head...go to any build list out there...see how many of them have 5 piece hundings..that is for a reason
I don't care about 'build lists'. I can use my own head. And my head tells me that having 10% higher crit chance when fighting a shield stacking sorc has way less value than any other stat i could use those two set bonuses for.
good thing it gives 300 weapon damage then huh? Oh yeah what other sets give that much weapon damage?sigh...this is why this thread is as long as it is..no one reads and makes the same silly argument.... hundings maximizes both crit and weapon damage...you augment your regen needs with other sets...you arnt going to wear 9 pieces of hundings..hundings is the baseline 5 piece armor set for BIS
Weapon damage and crit are not the only important stats. I would go as far as to say the double crit bonus is actually a waste.
You sacrifice two set bonus slots to increase a stat that does absolutely nothing when hitting a shielded opponent, and very little when hitting an opponent with impenetrable/resistant.
In other words, hunding is only BIS in your head. Nothing wrong with that, we all have our preferences. But crying for nerfs because of what really is just your subjective opinion? Just no.
its not in my head...go to any build list out there...see how many of them have 5 piece hundings..that is for a reason
I don't care about 'build lists'. I can use my own head. And my head tells me that having 10% higher crit chance when fighting a shield stacking sorc has way less value than any other stat i could use those two set bonuses for.
good thing it gives 300 weapon damage then huh? Oh yeah what other sets give that much weapon damage?
Morag Tong gives almost that much with 4 pieces combine that with ur Venom and ud have a good set there
yeah well fitted is amazing..dps loss there
EXACTLY!
You are mad at poor itemization and RNG. Direct your energy there, not nerfing crafted sets.
What he said, ur more upset that ur RNG gave u a bad trait. And u didnt ask about crit, u asked about damage. I could run a 4 piece Morag tong, 4 piece Sheer Venom and 3 peice Shadow Walker and do more DPS than 5 Hundings, 4 Sheer Venom. And all that is bought thru PvP Vendors or Dungeon Drops
That hundings sheer venom setup is crap..
you brought up the fact that the crit sux in pvp..I said it also maximizes weapon damage...then you come up with this really crappy setup of comparisons.
Hundings maximizes dps..period...that is well established. it maximizes weapon damage and crit. It needs to be brought down.. Yes I'm mad at poor itemization specifically 5 piece hundings rage. because no other set in the game maximizes the 2 most important dps stats in the game.
You should have to pick and choose on your gear not just have a set handed to you that does it all.
Fine, 5-piece Hundings is BiS for EVERY stamina build ever. Now what? Are you going to keep whining for a nerf to make you feel better, or try to offer any suggestions on how to make dungeon loot better?Daggerfall Covenant
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✭✭✭✭✭sigh...this is why this thread is as long as it is..no one reads and makes the same silly argument.... hundings maximizes both crit and weapon damage...you augment your regen needs with other sets...you arnt going to wear 9 pieces of hundings..hundings is the baseline 5 piece armor set for BIS
Weapon damage and crit are not the only important stats. I would go as far as to say the double crit bonus is actually a waste.
You sacrifice two set bonus slots to increase a stat that does absolutely nothing when hitting a shielded opponent, and very little when hitting an opponent with impenetrable/resistant.
In other words, hunding is only BIS in your head. Nothing wrong with that, we all have our preferences. But crying for nerfs because of what really is just your subjective opinion? Just no.
its not in my head...go to any build list out there...see how many of them have 5 piece hundings..that is for a reason
I don't care about 'build lists'. I can use my own head. And my head tells me that having 10% higher crit chance when fighting a shield stacking sorc has way less value than any other stat i could use those two set bonuses for.
good thing it gives 300 weapon damage then huh? Oh yeah what other sets give that much weapon damage?
300 weapon damage does not outweigh two set bonus slots filled with potentially useless stat.0 -
Kelleton✭✭✭Sallington wrote: »sigh...this is why this thread is as long as it is..no one reads and makes the same silly argument.... hundings maximizes both crit and weapon damage...you augment your regen needs with other sets...you arnt going to wear 9 pieces of hundings..hundings is the baseline 5 piece armor set for BIS
Weapon damage and crit are not the only important stats. I would go as far as to say the double crit bonus is actually a waste.
You sacrifice two set bonus slots to increase a stat that does absolutely nothing when hitting a shielded opponent, and very little when hitting an opponent with impenetrable/resistant.
In other words, hunding is only BIS in your head. Nothing wrong with that, we all have our preferences. But crying for nerfs because of what really is just your subjective opinion? Just no.
its not in my head...go to any build list out there...see how many of them have 5 piece hundings..that is for a reason
I don't care about 'build lists'. I can use my own head. And my head tells me that having 10% higher crit chance when fighting a shield stacking sorc has way less value than any other stat i could use those two set bonuses for.
good thing it gives 300 weapon damage then huh? Oh yeah what other sets give that much weapon damage?sigh...this is why this thread is as long as it is..no one reads and makes the same silly argument.... hundings maximizes both crit and weapon damage...you augment your regen needs with other sets...you arnt going to wear 9 pieces of hundings..hundings is the baseline 5 piece armor set for BIS
Weapon damage and crit are not the only important stats. I would go as far as to say the double crit bonus is actually a waste.
You sacrifice two set bonus slots to increase a stat that does absolutely nothing when hitting a shielded opponent, and very little when hitting an opponent with impenetrable/resistant.
In other words, hunding is only BIS in your head. Nothing wrong with that, we all have our preferences. But crying for nerfs because of what really is just your subjective opinion? Just no.
its not in my head...go to any build list out there...see how many of them have 5 piece hundings..that is for a reason
I don't care about 'build lists'. I can use my own head. And my head tells me that having 10% higher crit chance when fighting a shield stacking sorc has way less value than any other stat i could use those two set bonuses for.
good thing it gives 300 weapon damage then huh? Oh yeah what other sets give that much weapon damage?
Morag Tong gives almost that much with 4 pieces combine that with ur Venom and ud have a good set there
yeah well fitted is amazing..dps loss thereSallington wrote: »sigh...this is why this thread is as long as it is..no one reads and makes the same silly argument.... hundings maximizes both crit and weapon damage...you augment your regen needs with other sets...you arnt going to wear 9 pieces of hundings..hundings is the baseline 5 piece armor set for BIS
Weapon damage and crit are not the only important stats. I would go as far as to say the double crit bonus is actually a waste.
You sacrifice two set bonus slots to increase a stat that does absolutely nothing when hitting a shielded opponent, and very little when hitting an opponent with impenetrable/resistant.
In other words, hunding is only BIS in your head. Nothing wrong with that, we all have our preferences. But crying for nerfs because of what really is just your subjective opinion? Just no.
its not in my head...go to any build list out there...see how many of them have 5 piece hundings..that is for a reason
I don't care about 'build lists'. I can use my own head. And my head tells me that having 10% higher crit chance when fighting a shield stacking sorc has way less value than any other stat i could use those two set bonuses for.
good thing it gives 300 weapon damage then huh? Oh yeah what other sets give that much weapon damage?sigh...this is why this thread is as long as it is..no one reads and makes the same silly argument.... hundings maximizes both crit and weapon damage...you augment your regen needs with other sets...you arnt going to wear 9 pieces of hundings..hundings is the baseline 5 piece armor set for BIS
Weapon damage and crit are not the only important stats. I would go as far as to say the double crit bonus is actually a waste.
You sacrifice two set bonus slots to increase a stat that does absolutely nothing when hitting a shielded opponent, and very little when hitting an opponent with impenetrable/resistant.
In other words, hunding is only BIS in your head. Nothing wrong with that, we all have our preferences. But crying for nerfs because of what really is just your subjective opinion? Just no.
its not in my head...go to any build list out there...see how many of them have 5 piece hundings..that is for a reason
I don't care about 'build lists'. I can use my own head. And my head tells me that having 10% higher crit chance when fighting a shield stacking sorc has way less value than any other stat i could use those two set bonuses for.
good thing it gives 300 weapon damage then huh? Oh yeah what other sets give that much weapon damage?
Morag Tong gives almost that much with 4 pieces combine that with ur Venom and ud have a good set there
yeah well fitted is amazing..dps loss there
EXACTLY!
You are mad at poor itemization and RNG. Direct your energy there, not nerfing crafted sets.
No I'm directing it at the 5 piece hundings bonus because it adds waaay too much weapon damage to a set that also maximizes crit. It maximizes the 2 most important stats for damage no other set does that
Why would you want more than one set to have the same bonuses?
And what would you get out of being nerfed? To make your PvE drops look better in comparison?
If you think the set is BiS, then make a set. If you're only mad because you think a similar, but better set NEEDS to be gotten from some PvE dungeon, then you're playing the wrong game.sigh...this is why this thread is as long as it is..no one reads and makes the same silly argument.... hundings maximizes both crit and weapon damage...you augment your regen needs with other sets...you arnt going to wear 9 pieces of hundings..hundings is the baseline 5 piece armor set for BIS
Weapon damage and crit are not the only important stats. I would go as far as to say the double crit bonus is actually a waste.
You sacrifice two set bonus slots to increase a stat that does absolutely nothing when hitting a shielded opponent, and very little when hitting an opponent with impenetrable/resistant.
In other words, hunding is only BIS in your head. Nothing wrong with that, we all have our preferences. But crying for nerfs because of what really is just your subjective opinion? Just no.
its not in my head...go to any build list out there...see how many of them have 5 piece hundings..that is for a reason
I don't care about 'build lists'. I can use my own head. And my head tells me that having 10% higher crit chance when fighting a shield stacking sorc has way less value than any other stat i could use those two set bonuses for.
good thing it gives 300 weapon damage then huh? Oh yeah what other sets give that much weapon damage?
300 weapon damage does not outweigh two set bonus slots filled with potentially useless stat.
fine then get rid of the crit rating on hundings rage and make it stamina since you think that would be a buff..people would cry about that btw
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✭TheDarkShadow wrote: »Idk why this thread is still going. There is no one "right" or "wrong" here. Everyone have their favour play style, casual, pvp, raiding... But as I said this game target a different market. It focus on the casual. So no matter how much time you waste crying here, as long as the major player base disagree with you, ZoS will listen to the bigger group. So if this system does not satisfy your "elite" ego, go back to WoW.sigh...this is why this thread is as long as it is..no one reads and makes the same silly argument.... hundings maximizes both crit and weapon damage...you augment your regen needs with other sets...you arnt going to wear 9 pieces of hundings..hundings is the baseline 5 piece armor set for BIS
Weapon damage and crit are not the only important stats. I would go as far as to say the double crit bonus is actually a waste.
You sacrifice two set bonus slots to increase a stat that does absolutely nothing when hitting a shielded opponent, and very little when hitting an opponent with impenetrable/resistant.
In other words, hunding is only BIS in your head. Nothing wrong with that, we all have our preferences. But crying for nerfs because of what really is just your subjective opinion? Just no.
its not in my head...go to any build list out there...see how many of them have 5 piece hundings..that is for a reason
I don't care about 'build lists'. I can use my own head. And my head tells me that having 10% higher crit chance when fighting a shield stacking sorc has way less value than any other stat i could use those two set bonuses for.
good thing it gives 300 weapon damage then huh? Oh yeah what other sets give that much weapon damage?
Morag Tong gives almost that much with 4 pieces combine that with ur Venom and ud have a good set there
Plus just proc'ing a 2set of kena gives like 400+. Can't remember off the top of my head... but my stam sorc gets up to 4876 weapon damage with kena proc'd.0 -
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✭*yawn* everyone stop posting replies to the OP.
Let's discuss set combinations or something. Hijack this guy's thread - he clearly does not know what he is talking about, and is too stubborn to acknowledge any bit of info thrown at him, despite the fact that many of us (see posts #258, #454, and #459) have given hard data to support our claims.Edited by Autolycus on January 27, 2016 9:55PM3 -
Yorubuke✭Sallington wrote: »sigh...this is why this thread is as long as it is..no one reads and makes the same silly argument.... hundings maximizes both crit and weapon damage...you augment your regen needs with other sets...you arnt going to wear 9 pieces of hundings..hundings is the baseline 5 piece armor set for BIS
Weapon damage and crit are not the only important stats. I would go as far as to say the double crit bonus is actually a waste.
You sacrifice two set bonus slots to increase a stat that does absolutely nothing when hitting a shielded opponent, and very little when hitting an opponent with impenetrable/resistant.
In other words, hunding is only BIS in your head. Nothing wrong with that, we all have our preferences. But crying for nerfs because of what really is just your subjective opinion? Just no.
its not in my head...go to any build list out there...see how many of them have 5 piece hundings..that is for a reason
I don't care about 'build lists'. I can use my own head. And my head tells me that having 10% higher crit chance when fighting a shield stacking sorc has way less value than any other stat i could use those two set bonuses for.
good thing it gives 300 weapon damage then huh? Oh yeah what other sets give that much weapon damage?sigh...this is why this thread is as long as it is..no one reads and makes the same silly argument.... hundings maximizes both crit and weapon damage...you augment your regen needs with other sets...you arnt going to wear 9 pieces of hundings..hundings is the baseline 5 piece armor set for BIS
Weapon damage and crit are not the only important stats. I would go as far as to say the double crit bonus is actually a waste.
You sacrifice two set bonus slots to increase a stat that does absolutely nothing when hitting a shielded opponent, and very little when hitting an opponent with impenetrable/resistant.
In other words, hunding is only BIS in your head. Nothing wrong with that, we all have our preferences. But crying for nerfs because of what really is just your subjective opinion? Just no.
its not in my head...go to any build list out there...see how many of them have 5 piece hundings..that is for a reason
I don't care about 'build lists'. I can use my own head. And my head tells me that having 10% higher crit chance when fighting a shield stacking sorc has way less value than any other stat i could use those two set bonuses for.
good thing it gives 300 weapon damage then huh? Oh yeah what other sets give that much weapon damage?
Morag Tong gives almost that much with 4 pieces combine that with ur Venom and ud have a good set there
yeah well fitted is amazing..dps loss there
EXACTLY!
You are mad at poor itemization and RNG. Direct your energy there, not nerfing crafted sets.
What he said, ur more upset that ur RNG gave u a bad trait. And u didnt ask about crit, u asked about damage. I could run a 4 piece Morag tong, 4 piece Sheer Venom and 3 peice Shadow Walker and do more DPS than 5 Hundings, 4 Sheer Venom. And all that is bought thru PvP Vendors or Dungeon Drops
That hundings sheer venom setup is crap..
you brought up the fact that the crit sux in pvp..I said it also maximizes weapon damage...then you come up with this really crappy setup of comparisons.
Hundings maximizes dps..period...that is well established. it maximizes weapon damage and crit. It needs to be brought down.. Yes I'm mad at poor itemization specifically 5 piece hundings rage. because no other set in the game maximizes the 2 most important dps stats in the game.
You should have to pick and choose on your gear not just have a set handed to you that does it all.
Weapon Crit isnt needed when almost every1 runs Nightblades with the Always Crit Cloak or Critical Rush which always Crits. Stam Templars Biting jabs increase crit by 10%. If u run ur class right then all u need is pure Damage increases. Which is what i gave u, but it seems like u dont actually want to listen to what any1 else saysFor the Dominion.
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Kelleton✭✭✭TheDarkShadow wrote: »Idk why this thread is still going. There is no one "right" or "wrong" here. Everyone have their favour play style, casual, pvp, raiding... But as I said this game target a different market. It focus on the casual. So no matter how much time you waste crying here, as long as the major player base disagree with you, ZoS will listen to the bigger group. So if this system does not satisfy your "elite" ego, go back to WoW.sigh...this is why this thread is as long as it is..no one reads and makes the same silly argument.... hundings maximizes both crit and weapon damage...you augment your regen needs with other sets...you arnt going to wear 9 pieces of hundings..hundings is the baseline 5 piece armor set for BIS
Weapon damage and crit are not the only important stats. I would go as far as to say the double crit bonus is actually a waste.
You sacrifice two set bonus slots to increase a stat that does absolutely nothing when hitting a shielded opponent, and very little when hitting an opponent with impenetrable/resistant.
In other words, hunding is only BIS in your head. Nothing wrong with that, we all have our preferences. But crying for nerfs because of what really is just your subjective opinion? Just no.
its not in my head...go to any build list out there...see how many of them have 5 piece hundings..that is for a reason
I don't care about 'build lists'. I can use my own head. And my head tells me that having 10% higher crit chance when fighting a shield stacking sorc has way less value than any other stat i could use those two set bonuses for.
good thing it gives 300 weapon damage then huh? Oh yeah what other sets give that much weapon damage?
Morag Tong gives almost that much with 4 pieces combine that with ur Venom and ud have a good set there
Plus just proc'ing a 2set of kena gives like 400+. Can't remember off the top of my head... but my stam sorc gets up to 4876 weapon damage with kena proc'd.
your 2 piece set argument is that way ->
cant compare 5 piece sets with 2 piece monster sets (that will be purchasable from a vendor)
we are discussing 5 piece armor sets here let me know if you have any further trouble following the conversation.
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Kelleton✭✭✭Sallington wrote: »sigh...this is why this thread is as long as it is..no one reads and makes the same silly argument.... hundings maximizes both crit and weapon damage...you augment your regen needs with other sets...you arnt going to wear 9 pieces of hundings..hundings is the baseline 5 piece armor set for BIS
Weapon damage and crit are not the only important stats. I would go as far as to say the double crit bonus is actually a waste.
You sacrifice two set bonus slots to increase a stat that does absolutely nothing when hitting a shielded opponent, and very little when hitting an opponent with impenetrable/resistant.
In other words, hunding is only BIS in your head. Nothing wrong with that, we all have our preferences. But crying for nerfs because of what really is just your subjective opinion? Just no.
its not in my head...go to any build list out there...see how many of them have 5 piece hundings..that is for a reason
I don't care about 'build lists'. I can use my own head. And my head tells me that having 10% higher crit chance when fighting a shield stacking sorc has way less value than any other stat i could use those two set bonuses for.
good thing it gives 300 weapon damage then huh? Oh yeah what other sets give that much weapon damage?sigh...this is why this thread is as long as it is..no one reads and makes the same silly argument.... hundings maximizes both crit and weapon damage...you augment your regen needs with other sets...you arnt going to wear 9 pieces of hundings..hundings is the baseline 5 piece armor set for BIS
Weapon damage and crit are not the only important stats. I would go as far as to say the double crit bonus is actually a waste.
You sacrifice two set bonus slots to increase a stat that does absolutely nothing when hitting a shielded opponent, and very little when hitting an opponent with impenetrable/resistant.
In other words, hunding is only BIS in your head. Nothing wrong with that, we all have our preferences. But crying for nerfs because of what really is just your subjective opinion? Just no.
its not in my head...go to any build list out there...see how many of them have 5 piece hundings..that is for a reason
I don't care about 'build lists'. I can use my own head. And my head tells me that having 10% higher crit chance when fighting a shield stacking sorc has way less value than any other stat i could use those two set bonuses for.
good thing it gives 300 weapon damage then huh? Oh yeah what other sets give that much weapon damage?
Morag Tong gives almost that much with 4 pieces combine that with ur Venom and ud have a good set there
yeah well fitted is amazing..dps loss there
EXACTLY!
You are mad at poor itemization and RNG. Direct your energy there, not nerfing crafted sets.
What he said, ur more upset that ur RNG gave u a bad trait. And u didnt ask about crit, u asked about damage. I could run a 4 piece Morag tong, 4 piece Sheer Venom and 3 peice Shadow Walker and do more DPS than 5 Hundings, 4 Sheer Venom. And all that is bought thru PvP Vendors or Dungeon Drops
That hundings sheer venom setup is crap..
you brought up the fact that the crit sux in pvp..I said it also maximizes weapon damage...then you come up with this really crappy setup of comparisons.
Hundings maximizes dps..period...that is well established. it maximizes weapon damage and crit. It needs to be brought down.. Yes I'm mad at poor itemization specifically 5 piece hundings rage. because no other set in the game maximizes the 2 most important dps stats in the game.
You should have to pick and choose on your gear not just have a set handed to you that does it all.
Weapon Crit isnt needed when almost every1 runs Nightblades with the Always Crit Cloak or Critical Rush which always Crits. Stam Templars Biting jabs increase crit by 10%. If u run ur class right then all u need is pure Damage increases. Which is what i gave u, but it seems like u dont actually want to listen to what any1 else says
fine - then get rid of the weapon crit on hundings..im cool with that too..the 5 piece stat is still overvalued though compared to other 5 piece stats/procs
Edited by Kelleton on January 27, 2016 6:04PM0 -
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✭Sallington wrote: »sigh...this is why this thread is as long as it is..no one reads and makes the same silly argument.... hundings maximizes both crit and weapon damage...you augment your regen needs with other sets...you arnt going to wear 9 pieces of hundings..hundings is the baseline 5 piece armor set for BIS
Weapon damage and crit are not the only important stats. I would go as far as to say the double crit bonus is actually a waste.
You sacrifice two set bonus slots to increase a stat that does absolutely nothing when hitting a shielded opponent, and very little when hitting an opponent with impenetrable/resistant.
In other words, hunding is only BIS in your head. Nothing wrong with that, we all have our preferences. But crying for nerfs because of what really is just your subjective opinion? Just no.
its not in my head...go to any build list out there...see how many of them have 5 piece hundings..that is for a reason
I don't care about 'build lists'. I can use my own head. And my head tells me that having 10% higher crit chance when fighting a shield stacking sorc has way less value than any other stat i could use those two set bonuses for.
good thing it gives 300 weapon damage then huh? Oh yeah what other sets give that much weapon damage?sigh...this is why this thread is as long as it is..no one reads and makes the same silly argument.... hundings maximizes both crit and weapon damage...you augment your regen needs with other sets...you arnt going to wear 9 pieces of hundings..hundings is the baseline 5 piece armor set for BIS
Weapon damage and crit are not the only important stats. I would go as far as to say the double crit bonus is actually a waste.
You sacrifice two set bonus slots to increase a stat that does absolutely nothing when hitting a shielded opponent, and very little when hitting an opponent with impenetrable/resistant.
In other words, hunding is only BIS in your head. Nothing wrong with that, we all have our preferences. But crying for nerfs because of what really is just your subjective opinion? Just no.
its not in my head...go to any build list out there...see how many of them have 5 piece hundings..that is for a reason
I don't care about 'build lists'. I can use my own head. And my head tells me that having 10% higher crit chance when fighting a shield stacking sorc has way less value than any other stat i could use those two set bonuses for.
good thing it gives 300 weapon damage then huh? Oh yeah what other sets give that much weapon damage?
Morag Tong gives almost that much with 4 pieces combine that with ur Venom and ud have a good set there
yeah well fitted is amazing..dps loss there
EXACTLY!
You are mad at poor itemization and RNG. Direct your energy there, not nerfing crafted sets.
What he said, ur more upset that ur RNG gave u a bad trait. And u didnt ask about crit, u asked about damage. I could run a 4 piece Morag tong, 4 piece Sheer Venom and 3 peice Shadow Walker and do more DPS than 5 Hundings, 4 Sheer Venom. And all that is bought thru PvP Vendors or Dungeon Drops
That hundings sheer venom setup is crap..
you brought up the fact that the crit sux in pvp..I said it also maximizes weapon damage...then you come up with this really crappy setup of comparisons.
Hundings maximizes dps..period...that is well established. it maximizes weapon damage and crit. It needs to be brought down.. Yes I'm mad at poor itemization specifically 5 piece hundings rage. because no other set in the game maximizes the 2 most important dps stats in the game.
You should have to pick and choose on your gear not just have a set handed to you that does it all.
Weapon Crit isnt needed when almost every1 runs Nightblades with the Always Crit Cloak or Critical Rush which always Crits. Stam Templars Biting jabs increase crit by 10%. If u run ur class right then all u need is pure Damage increases. Which is what i gave u, but it seems like u dont actually want to listen to what any1 else says
are there really nb that dont run dark cloak?
crit cloak is pretty useless in most builds0 -
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✭✭✭✭Sallington wrote: »sigh...this is why this thread is as long as it is..no one reads and makes the same silly argument.... hundings maximizes both crit and weapon damage...you augment your regen needs with other sets...you arnt going to wear 9 pieces of hundings..hundings is the baseline 5 piece armor set for BIS
Weapon damage and crit are not the only important stats. I would go as far as to say the double crit bonus is actually a waste.
You sacrifice two set bonus slots to increase a stat that does absolutely nothing when hitting a shielded opponent, and very little when hitting an opponent with impenetrable/resistant.
In other words, hunding is only BIS in your head. Nothing wrong with that, we all have our preferences. But crying for nerfs because of what really is just your subjective opinion? Just no.
its not in my head...go to any build list out there...see how many of them have 5 piece hundings..that is for a reason
I don't care about 'build lists'. I can use my own head. And my head tells me that having 10% higher crit chance when fighting a shield stacking sorc has way less value than any other stat i could use those two set bonuses for.
good thing it gives 300 weapon damage then huh? Oh yeah what other sets give that much weapon damage?sigh...this is why this thread is as long as it is..no one reads and makes the same silly argument.... hundings maximizes both crit and weapon damage...you augment your regen needs with other sets...you arnt going to wear 9 pieces of hundings..hundings is the baseline 5 piece armor set for BIS
Weapon damage and crit are not the only important stats. I would go as far as to say the double crit bonus is actually a waste.
You sacrifice two set bonus slots to increase a stat that does absolutely nothing when hitting a shielded opponent, and very little when hitting an opponent with impenetrable/resistant.
In other words, hunding is only BIS in your head. Nothing wrong with that, we all have our preferences. But crying for nerfs because of what really is just your subjective opinion? Just no.
its not in my head...go to any build list out there...see how many of them have 5 piece hundings..that is for a reason
I don't care about 'build lists'. I can use my own head. And my head tells me that having 10% higher crit chance when fighting a shield stacking sorc has way less value than any other stat i could use those two set bonuses for.
good thing it gives 300 weapon damage then huh? Oh yeah what other sets give that much weapon damage?
Morag Tong gives almost that much with 4 pieces combine that with ur Venom and ud have a good set there
yeah well fitted is amazing..dps loss there
EXACTLY!
You are mad at poor itemization and RNG. Direct your energy there, not nerfing crafted sets.
What he said, ur more upset that ur RNG gave u a bad trait. And u didnt ask about crit, u asked about damage. I could run a 4 piece Morag tong, 4 piece Sheer Venom and 3 peice Shadow Walker and do more DPS than 5 Hundings, 4 Sheer Venom. And all that is bought thru PvP Vendors or Dungeon Drops
That hundings sheer venom setup is crap..
you brought up the fact that the crit sux in pvp..I said it also maximizes weapon damage...then you come up with this really crappy setup of comparisons.
Hundings maximizes dps..period...that is well established. it maximizes weapon damage and crit. It needs to be brought down.. Yes I'm mad at poor itemization specifically 5 piece hundings rage. because no other set in the game maximizes the 2 most important dps stats in the game.
You should have to pick and choose on your gear not just have a set handed to you that does it all.
Weapon Crit isnt needed when almost every1 runs Nightblades with the Always Crit Cloak or Critical Rush which always Crits. Stam Templars Biting jabs increase crit by 10%. If u run ur class right then all u need is pure Damage increases. Which is what i gave u, but it seems like u dont actually want to listen to what any1 else says
fine - then get rid of the weapon crit on hundings..im cool with that too..the 5 piece stat is still overvalued though compared to other 5 piece stats/procs
He's just mad that being able to craft the set makes it harder for him to be a unique snowflake. If the set was behind 300 runs of vWGT he wouldn't have a problem. No use arguing anymore.
Yes, if you are looking for a set with crit AND weapon dmg, Hunding's is the best. Yes it's craftable. No, doesn't need a nerf.
/threadEdited by Sallington on January 27, 2016 6:07PMDaggerfall Covenant
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Yorubuke✭*yawn* everyone stop posting replies to the OP.
Let's discuss set combinations or something. Hijack this guy's thread - he clearly does not know what he is talking about, and is too stubborn to acknowledge any bit of info thrown at him, despite the fact that many of us (see post #258) have given hard data to support our claims.
What do u think about a 2 handed Stamina Templar running 5 Night Mother's Gaze with 4 Sheer Venom, 2 Shadow Walker Set?For the Dominion.
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✭✭Sallington wrote: »Sallington wrote: »sigh...this is why this thread is as long as it is..no one reads and makes the same silly argument.... hundings maximizes both crit and weapon damage...you augment your regen needs with other sets...you arnt going to wear 9 pieces of hundings..hundings is the baseline 5 piece armor set for BIS
Weapon damage and crit are not the only important stats. I would go as far as to say the double crit bonus is actually a waste.
You sacrifice two set bonus slots to increase a stat that does absolutely nothing when hitting a shielded opponent, and very little when hitting an opponent with impenetrable/resistant.
In other words, hunding is only BIS in your head. Nothing wrong with that, we all have our preferences. But crying for nerfs because of what really is just your subjective opinion? Just no.
its not in my head...go to any build list out there...see how many of them have 5 piece hundings..that is for a reason
I don't care about 'build lists'. I can use my own head. And my head tells me that having 10% higher crit chance when fighting a shield stacking sorc has way less value than any other stat i could use those two set bonuses for.
good thing it gives 300 weapon damage then huh? Oh yeah what other sets give that much weapon damage?sigh...this is why this thread is as long as it is..no one reads and makes the same silly argument.... hundings maximizes both crit and weapon damage...you augment your regen needs with other sets...you arnt going to wear 9 pieces of hundings..hundings is the baseline 5 piece armor set for BIS
Weapon damage and crit are not the only important stats. I would go as far as to say the double crit bonus is actually a waste.
You sacrifice two set bonus slots to increase a stat that does absolutely nothing when hitting a shielded opponent, and very little when hitting an opponent with impenetrable/resistant.
In other words, hunding is only BIS in your head. Nothing wrong with that, we all have our preferences. But crying for nerfs because of what really is just your subjective opinion? Just no.
its not in my head...go to any build list out there...see how many of them have 5 piece hundings..that is for a reason
I don't care about 'build lists'. I can use my own head. And my head tells me that having 10% higher crit chance when fighting a shield stacking sorc has way less value than any other stat i could use those two set bonuses for.
good thing it gives 300 weapon damage then huh? Oh yeah what other sets give that much weapon damage?
Morag Tong gives almost that much with 4 pieces combine that with ur Venom and ud have a good set there
yeah well fitted is amazing..dps loss there
EXACTLY!
You are mad at poor itemization and RNG. Direct your energy there, not nerfing crafted sets.
What he said, ur more upset that ur RNG gave u a bad trait. And u didnt ask about crit, u asked about damage. I could run a 4 piece Morag tong, 4 piece Sheer Venom and 3 peice Shadow Walker and do more DPS than 5 Hundings, 4 Sheer Venom. And all that is bought thru PvP Vendors or Dungeon Drops
That hundings sheer venom setup is crap..
you brought up the fact that the crit sux in pvp..I said it also maximizes weapon damage...then you come up with this really crappy setup of comparisons.
Hundings maximizes dps..period...that is well established. it maximizes weapon damage and crit. It needs to be brought down.. Yes I'm mad at poor itemization specifically 5 piece hundings rage. because no other set in the game maximizes the 2 most important dps stats in the game.
You should have to pick and choose on your gear not just have a set handed to you that does it all.
Weapon Crit isnt needed when almost every1 runs Nightblades with the Always Crit Cloak or Critical Rush which always Crits. Stam Templars Biting jabs increase crit by 10%. If u run ur class right then all u need is pure Damage increases. Which is what i gave u, but it seems like u dont actually want to listen to what any1 else says
fine - then get rid of the weapon crit on hundings..im cool with that too..the 5 piece stat is still overvalued though compared to other 5 piece stats/procs
He's just mad that being able to craft the set makes it harder for him to be a unique snowflake. If the set was behind 300 runs of vWGT he wouldn't have a problem. No use arguing anymore.
Yes, if you are looking for a set with crit AND weapon dmg, Hunding's is the best. Yes it's craftable. No, doesn't need a nerf.
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✭✭✭✭✭Sallington wrote: »sigh...this is why this thread is as long as it is..no one reads and makes the same silly argument.... hundings maximizes both crit and weapon damage...you augment your regen needs with other sets...you arnt going to wear 9 pieces of hundings..hundings is the baseline 5 piece armor set for BIS
Weapon damage and crit are not the only important stats. I would go as far as to say the double crit bonus is actually a waste.
You sacrifice two set bonus slots to increase a stat that does absolutely nothing when hitting a shielded opponent, and very little when hitting an opponent with impenetrable/resistant.
In other words, hunding is only BIS in your head. Nothing wrong with that, we all have our preferences. But crying for nerfs because of what really is just your subjective opinion? Just no.
its not in my head...go to any build list out there...see how many of them have 5 piece hundings..that is for a reason
I don't care about 'build lists'. I can use my own head. And my head tells me that having 10% higher crit chance when fighting a shield stacking sorc has way less value than any other stat i could use those two set bonuses for.
good thing it gives 300 weapon damage then huh? Oh yeah what other sets give that much weapon damage?sigh...this is why this thread is as long as it is..no one reads and makes the same silly argument.... hundings maximizes both crit and weapon damage...you augment your regen needs with other sets...you arnt going to wear 9 pieces of hundings..hundings is the baseline 5 piece armor set for BIS
Weapon damage and crit are not the only important stats. I would go as far as to say the double crit bonus is actually a waste.
You sacrifice two set bonus slots to increase a stat that does absolutely nothing when hitting a shielded opponent, and very little when hitting an opponent with impenetrable/resistant.
In other words, hunding is only BIS in your head. Nothing wrong with that, we all have our preferences. But crying for nerfs because of what really is just your subjective opinion? Just no.
its not in my head...go to any build list out there...see how many of them have 5 piece hundings..that is for a reason
I don't care about 'build lists'. I can use my own head. And my head tells me that having 10% higher crit chance when fighting a shield stacking sorc has way less value than any other stat i could use those two set bonuses for.
good thing it gives 300 weapon damage then huh? Oh yeah what other sets give that much weapon damage?
Morag Tong gives almost that much with 4 pieces combine that with ur Venom and ud have a good set there
yeah well fitted is amazing..dps loss thereSallington wrote: »sigh...this is why this thread is as long as it is..no one reads and makes the same silly argument.... hundings maximizes both crit and weapon damage...you augment your regen needs with other sets...you arnt going to wear 9 pieces of hundings..hundings is the baseline 5 piece armor set for BIS
Weapon damage and crit are not the only important stats. I would go as far as to say the double crit bonus is actually a waste.
You sacrifice two set bonus slots to increase a stat that does absolutely nothing when hitting a shielded opponent, and very little when hitting an opponent with impenetrable/resistant.
In other words, hunding is only BIS in your head. Nothing wrong with that, we all have our preferences. But crying for nerfs because of what really is just your subjective opinion? Just no.
its not in my head...go to any build list out there...see how many of them have 5 piece hundings..that is for a reason
I don't care about 'build lists'. I can use my own head. And my head tells me that having 10% higher crit chance when fighting a shield stacking sorc has way less value than any other stat i could use those two set bonuses for.
good thing it gives 300 weapon damage then huh? Oh yeah what other sets give that much weapon damage?sigh...this is why this thread is as long as it is..no one reads and makes the same silly argument.... hundings maximizes both crit and weapon damage...you augment your regen needs with other sets...you arnt going to wear 9 pieces of hundings..hundings is the baseline 5 piece armor set for BIS
Weapon damage and crit are not the only important stats. I would go as far as to say the double crit bonus is actually a waste.
You sacrifice two set bonus slots to increase a stat that does absolutely nothing when hitting a shielded opponent, and very little when hitting an opponent with impenetrable/resistant.
In other words, hunding is only BIS in your head. Nothing wrong with that, we all have our preferences. But crying for nerfs because of what really is just your subjective opinion? Just no.
its not in my head...go to any build list out there...see how many of them have 5 piece hundings..that is for a reason
I don't care about 'build lists'. I can use my own head. And my head tells me that having 10% higher crit chance when fighting a shield stacking sorc has way less value than any other stat i could use those two set bonuses for.
good thing it gives 300 weapon damage then huh? Oh yeah what other sets give that much weapon damage?
Morag Tong gives almost that much with 4 pieces combine that with ur Venom and ud have a good set there
yeah well fitted is amazing..dps loss there
EXACTLY!
You are mad at poor itemization and RNG. Direct your energy there, not nerfing crafted sets.
No I'm directing it at the 5 piece hundings bonus because it adds waaay too much weapon damage to a set that also maximizes crit. It maximizes the 2 most important stats for damage no other set does that
Why would you want more than one set to have the same bonuses?
And what would you get out of being nerfed? To make your PvE drops look better in comparison?
If you think the set is BiS, then make a set. If you're only mad because you think a similar, but better set NEEDS to be gotten from some PvE dungeon, then you're playing the wrong game.sigh...this is why this thread is as long as it is..no one reads and makes the same silly argument.... hundings maximizes both crit and weapon damage...you augment your regen needs with other sets...you arnt going to wear 9 pieces of hundings..hundings is the baseline 5 piece armor set for BIS
Weapon damage and crit are not the only important stats. I would go as far as to say the double crit bonus is actually a waste.
You sacrifice two set bonus slots to increase a stat that does absolutely nothing when hitting a shielded opponent, and very little when hitting an opponent with impenetrable/resistant.
In other words, hunding is only BIS in your head. Nothing wrong with that, we all have our preferences. But crying for nerfs because of what really is just your subjective opinion? Just no.
its not in my head...go to any build list out there...see how many of them have 5 piece hundings..that is for a reason
I don't care about 'build lists'. I can use my own head. And my head tells me that having 10% higher crit chance when fighting a shield stacking sorc has way less value than any other stat i could use those two set bonuses for.
good thing it gives 300 weapon damage then huh? Oh yeah what other sets give that much weapon damage?
300 weapon damage does not outweigh two set bonus slots filled with potentially useless stat.
fine then get rid of the crit rating on hundings rage and make it stamina since you think that would be a buff..people would cry about that btw
Mate, if they replaced crit on hunding's with stamina everyone would rush towards that set head over heels. Two stamina bonuses of almost 1000 each increases your damage output roughly as much as 200 weapon damage would...2 -
Kelleton✭✭✭More ad hominem...
At least we are getting to people admiting it's the best...progress...
So you are saying the 5 peice bonus isn't overvalue?0 -
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✭✭✭✭More ad hominem...
At least we are getting to people admiting it's the best...progress...
So you are saying the 5 peice bonus isn't overvalue?
Nope, right on point for a 5-piece bonus. So much so that they even added an exact magicka equivalent when Orsinium launched.Edited by Sallington on January 27, 2016 6:13PMDaggerfall Covenant
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✭OPs got a point. All BiS crafted sets should require max traits. It makes zero sense to have a Bis set at 6 traits and a lesser set requiring 9 traits. Both juilianos and hundings (or whatever is BiS) should be the current max traits.
But to make all dropped sets BiS. NO. Crafting needs to carry importance too. Even with a crafted set you need to grind monster sets and jewelry.Edited by Cuyler on January 27, 2016 6:15PMGuild: STACK n BURN (gm) PC - NA
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Kelleton✭✭✭OPs got a point. All BiS crafted sets should require max traits. It makes zero sense to have a Bis set at 6 traits and a lesser set requiring 9 traits. Both juilianos and bindings (or whatever is BiS) should be the current max traits.
But to make all dropped sets BiS. NO. Crafting needs to carry importance too. Even with a crafted set you need to grind monster sets and jewelry.
You don't have to grind monster sets soon. BiS should not be something you get instantly the moment you hit v16 bad game design0 -
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✭*yawn* everyone stop posting replies to the OP.
Let's discuss set combinations or something. Hijack this guy's thread - he clearly does not know what he is talking about, and is too stubborn to acknowledge any bit of info thrown at him, despite the fact that many of us (see post #258) have given hard data to support our claims.
What do u think about a 2 handed Stamina Templar running 5 Night Mother's Gaze with 4 Sheer Venom, 2 Shadow Walker Set?
Personally, I think that's a pretty good setup. I see potential to improve that setup in terms of min/maxing, but that's not the end-all, be-all. Min/Maxing and being viable are different concepts, and in today's Tamriel it's not necessary to min/max for most content.
I absolutely love Night Mother's Gaze, but I typically use it as a 2-set or 4-set to supplement something else. One prominent argument against the use of NMG is similar to that of Hundings, in that crit is only situationally useful in PvP. That being said, I do all forms of content with all characters, so the crit stands to benefit me more than someone who exclusively chases shield stackers around. Regardless, the 5set bonus is going to be beneficial in many encounters in pvp.
I haven't spent nearly as much time theorycrafting, testing, and discussing stamplars as I have the other three classes, but I tend to see NMG still as a supplementary set. If you're going to avoid using monster sets (even a 1pc kena is incredibly useful) then I would try to incorporate 2 full 5sets instead of piecing it together. Sheer venom + NMG is at the top of the list for me - along with 5hunding/5briar, 5hunding/4sheer, 5hunding/2kena/3agility. The last option is what I use for my stam sorc.Edited by Autolycus on January 27, 2016 6:18PM0 -
Yorubuke✭i suppose i could understand making Hundings Rage and the other Magic look alike version need 8 traits so its harder to make. But i still think its fair that crafters have a good Set but PvE Farmers get Jewelry and Monster Helms we crafters cant make. I think its a nice balanceFor the Dominion.
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✭Sallington wrote: »sigh...this is why this thread is as long as it is..no one reads and makes the same silly argument.... hundings maximizes both crit and weapon damage...you augment your regen needs with other sets...you arnt going to wear 9 pieces of hundings..hundings is the baseline 5 piece armor set for BIS
Weapon damage and crit are not the only important stats. I would go as far as to say the double crit bonus is actually a waste.
You sacrifice two set bonus slots to increase a stat that does absolutely nothing when hitting a shielded opponent, and very little when hitting an opponent with impenetrable/resistant.
In other words, hunding is only BIS in your head. Nothing wrong with that, we all have our preferences. But crying for nerfs because of what really is just your subjective opinion? Just no.
its not in my head...go to any build list out there...see how many of them have 5 piece hundings..that is for a reason
I don't care about 'build lists'. I can use my own head. And my head tells me that having 10% higher crit chance when fighting a shield stacking sorc has way less value than any other stat i could use those two set bonuses for.
good thing it gives 300 weapon damage then huh? Oh yeah what other sets give that much weapon damage?sigh...this is why this thread is as long as it is..no one reads and makes the same silly argument.... hundings maximizes both crit and weapon damage...you augment your regen needs with other sets...you arnt going to wear 9 pieces of hundings..hundings is the baseline 5 piece armor set for BIS
Weapon damage and crit are not the only important stats. I would go as far as to say the double crit bonus is actually a waste.
You sacrifice two set bonus slots to increase a stat that does absolutely nothing when hitting a shielded opponent, and very little when hitting an opponent with impenetrable/resistant.
In other words, hunding is only BIS in your head. Nothing wrong with that, we all have our preferences. But crying for nerfs because of what really is just your subjective opinion? Just no.
its not in my head...go to any build list out there...see how many of them have 5 piece hundings..that is for a reason
I don't care about 'build lists'. I can use my own head. And my head tells me that having 10% higher crit chance when fighting a shield stacking sorc has way less value than any other stat i could use those two set bonuses for.
good thing it gives 300 weapon damage then huh? Oh yeah what other sets give that much weapon damage?
Morag Tong gives almost that much with 4 pieces combine that with ur Venom and ud have a good set there
yeah well fitted is amazing..dps loss thereSallington wrote: »sigh...this is why this thread is as long as it is..no one reads and makes the same silly argument.... hundings maximizes both crit and weapon damage...you augment your regen needs with other sets...you arnt going to wear 9 pieces of hundings..hundings is the baseline 5 piece armor set for BIS
Weapon damage and crit are not the only important stats. I would go as far as to say the double crit bonus is actually a waste.
You sacrifice two set bonus slots to increase a stat that does absolutely nothing when hitting a shielded opponent, and very little when hitting an opponent with impenetrable/resistant.
In other words, hunding is only BIS in your head. Nothing wrong with that, we all have our preferences. But crying for nerfs because of what really is just your subjective opinion? Just no.
its not in my head...go to any build list out there...see how many of them have 5 piece hundings..that is for a reason
I don't care about 'build lists'. I can use my own head. And my head tells me that having 10% higher crit chance when fighting a shield stacking sorc has way less value than any other stat i could use those two set bonuses for.
good thing it gives 300 weapon damage then huh? Oh yeah what other sets give that much weapon damage?sigh...this is why this thread is as long as it is..no one reads and makes the same silly argument.... hundings maximizes both crit and weapon damage...you augment your regen needs with other sets...you arnt going to wear 9 pieces of hundings..hundings is the baseline 5 piece armor set for BIS
Weapon damage and crit are not the only important stats. I would go as far as to say the double crit bonus is actually a waste.
You sacrifice two set bonus slots to increase a stat that does absolutely nothing when hitting a shielded opponent, and very little when hitting an opponent with impenetrable/resistant.
In other words, hunding is only BIS in your head. Nothing wrong with that, we all have our preferences. But crying for nerfs because of what really is just your subjective opinion? Just no.
its not in my head...go to any build list out there...see how many of them have 5 piece hundings..that is for a reason
I don't care about 'build lists'. I can use my own head. And my head tells me that having 10% higher crit chance when fighting a shield stacking sorc has way less value than any other stat i could use those two set bonuses for.
good thing it gives 300 weapon damage then huh? Oh yeah what other sets give that much weapon damage?
Morag Tong gives almost that much with 4 pieces combine that with ur Venom and ud have a good set there
yeah well fitted is amazing..dps loss there
EXACTLY!
You are mad at poor itemization and RNG. Direct your energy there, not nerfing crafted sets.
No I'm directing it at the 5 piece hundings bonus because it adds waaay too much weapon damage to a set that also maximizes crit. It maximizes the 2 most important stats for damage no other set does that
Why would you want more than one set to have the same bonuses?
And what would you get out of being nerfed? To make your PvE drops look better in comparison?
If you think the set is BiS, then make a set. If you're only mad because you think a similar, but better set NEEDS to be gotten from some PvE dungeon, then you're playing the wrong game.sigh...this is why this thread is as long as it is..no one reads and makes the same silly argument.... hundings maximizes both crit and weapon damage...you augment your regen needs with other sets...you arnt going to wear 9 pieces of hundings..hundings is the baseline 5 piece armor set for BIS
Weapon damage and crit are not the only important stats. I would go as far as to say the double crit bonus is actually a waste.
You sacrifice two set bonus slots to increase a stat that does absolutely nothing when hitting a shielded opponent, and very little when hitting an opponent with impenetrable/resistant.
In other words, hunding is only BIS in your head. Nothing wrong with that, we all have our preferences. But crying for nerfs because of what really is just your subjective opinion? Just no.
its not in my head...go to any build list out there...see how many of them have 5 piece hundings..that is for a reason
I don't care about 'build lists'. I can use my own head. And my head tells me that having 10% higher crit chance when fighting a shield stacking sorc has way less value than any other stat i could use those two set bonuses for.
good thing it gives 300 weapon damage then huh? Oh yeah what other sets give that much weapon damage?
300 weapon damage does not outweigh two set bonus slots filled with potentially useless stat.
fine then get rid of the crit rating on hundings rage and make it stamina since you think that would be a buff..people would cry about that btw
Mate, if they replaced crit on hunding's with stamina everyone would rush towards that set head over heels. Two stamina bonuses of almost 1000 each increases your damage output roughly as much as 200 weapon damage would...
I agree wholeheartedly on this response. I guarantee that this discussion would be accurate and relevant if hundings crit was replaced by stamina, without a doubt. Then there truly would be no reason to get dungeon drops (outside of monster helms basically). Not that there aren't other reasons to get the gear, but it wouldn't be optimal if this was the case.1 -
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If you mention Daoc (PvP/PvE) please NEVER forget to mention that you could also farm rare items from bosses/mobs in the PvP Area, a thing which I miss in ESO and that would ADD much more meaning to the PvP area.. (and not difficult to make..)Did anyone ever play DAoC?
(I'm talking about long before New Frontiers, which destroyed the old Daoc-PvP fashion (one way direction, not being able to walk over mountains, too large keeps, etc etc..)
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Yorubuke✭*yawn* everyone stop posting replies to the OP.
Let's discuss set combinations or something. Hijack this guy's thread - he clearly does not know what he is talking about, and is too stubborn to acknowledge any bit of info thrown at him, despite the fact that many of us (see post #258) have given hard data to support our claims.
What do u think about a 2 handed Stamina Templar running 5 Night Mother's Gaze with 4 Sheer Venom, 2 Shadow Walker Set?
Personally, I think that's a pretty good setup. I see potential to improve that setup in terms of min/maxing, but that's not the end-all, be-all. Min/Maxing and being viable are different concepts, and in today's Tamriel it's not necessary to min/max for most content.
I absolutely love Night Mother's Gaze, but I typically use it as a 2-set or 4-set to supplement something else. One prominent argument against the use of NMG is similar to that of Hundings, in that crit is only situationally useful in PvP. That being said, I do all forms of content with all characters, so the crit stands to benefit me more than someone who exclusively chases shield stackers around. Regardless, the 5set bonus is going to be beneficial in many encounters in pvp.
I haven't spent nearly as much time theorycrafting, testing, and discussing stamplars as I have the other three classes, but I tend to see NMG still as a supplementary set. If you're going to avoid using monster sets (even a 1pc kena is incredibly useful) then I would try to incorporate 2 full 5sets instead of piecing it together. Sheer venom + NMG is at the top of the list for me - along with 5hunding/5briar, 5hunding/4sheer, 5hunding/2kena/3agility. The last option is what I use for my stam sorc.
I do alot of PvP, i cant stand the PvE in this game. Im only lvl 19 so far on my Stamplar but i shred thru some defense. Crit rush helps alot to start the fight off. So my NMG reduces armor from the get go. Im not a fan of using gear that i have to grind my life away to get. Ussually cause RNGesus hates me with a passion lolFor the Dominion.
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Kelleton✭✭✭Sallington wrote: »sigh...this is why this thread is as long as it is..no one reads and makes the same silly argument.... hundings maximizes both crit and weapon damage...you augment your regen neieds with other sets...you arnt going to wear 9 pieces of hundings..hundings is the baseline 5 piece armor set for BIS
Weapon damage and crit are not the only important stats. I would go as far as to say the double crit bonus is actually a waste.
You sacrifice two set bonus slots to increase a stat that does absolutely nothing when hitting a shielded opponent, and very little when hitting an opponent with impenetrable/resistant.
In other words, hunding is only BIS in your head. Nothing wrong with that, we all have our preferences. But crying for nerfs because of what really is just your subjective opinion? Just no.
its not in my head...go to any build list out there...see how many of them have 5 piece hundings..that is for a reason
I don't care about 'build lists'. I can use my own head. And my head tells me that having 10% higher crit chance when fighting a shield stacking sorc has way less value than any other stat i could use those two set bonuses for.
good thing it gives 300 weapon damage then huh? Oh yeah what other sets give that much weapon damage?sigh...this is why this thread is as long as it is..no one reads and makes the same silly argument.... hundings maximizes both crit and weapon damage...you augment your regen needs with other sets...you arnt going to wear 9 pieces of hundings..hundings is the baseline 5 piece armor set for BIS
Weapon damage and crit are not the only important stats. I would go as far as to say the double crit bonus is actually a waste.
You sacrifice two set bonus slots to increase a stat that does absolutely nothing when hitting a shielded opponent, and very little when hitting an opponent with impenetrable/resistant.
In other words, hunding is only BIS in your head. Nothing wrong with that, we all have our preferences. But crying for nerfs because of what really is just your subjective opinion? Just no.
its not in my head...go to any build list out there...see how many of them have 5 piece hundings..that is for a reason
I don't care about 'build lists'. I can use my own head. And my head tells me that having 10% higher crit chance when fighting a shield stacking sorc has way less value than any other stat i could use those two set bonuses for.
good thing it gives 300 weapon damage then huh? Oh yeah what other sets give that much weapon damage?
Morag Tong gives almost that much with 4 pieces combine that with ur Venom and ud have a good set there
yeah well fitted is amazing..dps loss thereSallington wrote: »sigh...this is why this thread is as long as it is..no one reads and makes the same silly argument.... hundings maximizes both crit and weapon damage...you augment your regen needs with other sets...you arnt going to wear 9 pieces of hundings..hundings is the baseline 5 piece armor set for BIS
Weapon damage and crit are not the only important stats. I would go as far as to say the double crit bonus is actually a waste.
You sacrifice two set bonus slots to increase a stat that does absolutely nothing when hitting a shielded opponent, and very little when hitting an opponent with impenetrable/resistant.
In other words, hunding is only BIS in your head. Nothing wrong with that, we all have our preferences. But crying for nerfs because of what really is just your subjective opinion? Just no.
its not in my head...go to any build list out there...see how many of them have 5 piece hundings..that is for a reason
I don't care about 'build lists'. I can use my own head. And my head tells me that having 10% higher crit chance when fighting a shield stacking sorc has way less value than any other stat i could use those two set bonuses for.
good thing it gives 300 weapon damage then huh? Oh yeah what other sets give that much weapon damage?sigh...this is why this thread is as long as it is..no one reads and makes the same silly argument.... hundings maximizes both crit and weapon damage...you augment your regen needs with other sets...you arnt going to wear 9 pieces of hundings..hundings is the baseline 5 piece armor set for BIS
Weapon damage and crit are not the only important stats. I would go as far as to say the double crit bonus is actually a waste.
You sacrifice two set bonus slots to increase a stat that does absolutely nothing when hitting a shielded opponent, and very little when hitting an opponent with impenetrable/resistant.
In other words, hunding is only BIS in your head. Nothing wrong with that, we all have our preferences. But crying for nerfs because of what really is just your subjective opinion? Just no.
its not in my head...go to any build list out there...see how many of them have 5 piece hundings..that is for a reason
I don't care about 'build lists'. I can use my own head. And my head tells me that having 10% higher crit chance when fighting a shield stacking sorc has way less value than any other stat i could use those two set bonuses for.
good thing it gives 300 weapon damage then huh? Oh yeah what other sets give that much weapon damage?
Morag Tong gives almost that much with 4 pieces combine that with ur Venom and ud have a good set there
yeah well fitted is amazing..dps loss there
EXACTLY!
You are mad at poor itemization and RNG. Direct your energy there, not nerfing crafted sets.
No I'm directing it at the 5 piece hundings bonus because it adds waaay too much weapon damage to a set that also maximizes crit. It maximizes the 2 most important stats for damage no other set does that
Why would you want more than one set to have the same bonuses?
And what would you get out of being nerfed? To make your PvE drops look better in comparison?
If you think the set is BiS, then make a set. If you're only mad because you think a similar, but better set NEEDS to be gotten from some PvE dungeon, then you're playing the wrong game.sigh...this is why this thread is as long as it is..no one reads and makes the same silly argument.... hundings maximizes both crit and weapon damage...you augment your regen needs with other sets...you arnt going to wear 9 pieces of hundings..hundings is the baseline 5 piece armor set for BIS
Weapon damage and crit are not the only important stats. I would go as far as to say the double crit bonus is actually a waste.
You sacrifice two set bonus slots to increase a stat that does absolutely nothing when hitting a shielded opponent, and very little when hitting an opponent with impenetrable/resistant.
In other words, hunding is only BIS in your head. Nothing wrong with that, we all have our preferences. But crying for nerfs because of what really is just your subjective opinion? Just no.
its not in my head...go to any build list out there...see how many of them have 5 piece hundings..that is for a reason
I don't care about 'build lists'. I can use my own head. And my head tells me that having 10% higher crit chance when fighting a shield stacking sorc has way less value than any other stat i could use those two set bonuses for.
good thing it gives 300 weapon damage then huh? Oh yeah what other sets give that much weapon damage?
300 weapon damage does not outweigh two set bonus slots filled with potentially useless stat.
fine then get rid of the crit rating on hundings rage and make it stamina since you think that would be a buff..people would cry about that btw
Mate, if they replaced crit on hunding's with stamina everyone would rush towards that set head over heels. Two stamina bonuses of almost 1000 each increases your damage output roughly as much as 200 weapon damage would...
I agree wholeheartedly on this response. I guarantee that this discussion would be accurate and relevant if hundings crit was replaced by stamina, without a doubt. Then there truly would be no reason to get dungeon drops (outside of monster helms basically). Not that there aren't other reasons to get the gear, but it wouldn't be optimal if this was the case.Sallington wrote: »sigh...this is why this thread is as long as it is..no one reads and makes the same silly argument.... hundings maximizes both crit and weapon damage...you augment your regen needs with other sets...you arnt going to wear 9 pieces of hundings..hundings is the baseline 5 piece armor set for BIS
Weapon damage and crit are not the only important stats. I would go as far as to say the double crit bonus is actually a waste.
You sacrifice two set bonus slots to increase a stat that does absolutely nothing when hitting a shielded opponent, and very little when hitting an opponent with impenetrable/resistant.
In other words, hunding is only BIS in your head. Nothing wrong with that, we all have our preferences. But crying for nerfs because of what really is just your subjective opinion? Just no.
its not in my head...go to any build list out there...see how many of them have 5 piece hundings..that is for a reason
I don't care about 'build lists'. I can use my own head. And my head tells me that having 10% higher crit chance when fighting a shield stacking sorc has way less value than any other stat i could use those two set bonuses for.
good thing it gives 300 weapon damage then huh? Oh yeah what other sets give that much weapon damage?sigh...this is why this thread is as long as it is..no one reads and makes the same silly argument.... hundings maximizes both crit and weapon damage...you augment your regen needs with other sets...you arnt going to wear 9 pieces of hundings..hundings is the baseline 5 piece armor set for BIS
Weapon damage and crit are not the only important stats. I would go as far as to say the double crit bonus is actually a waste.
You sacrifice two set bonus slots to increase a stat that does absolutely nothing when hitting a shielded opponent, and very little when hitting an opponent with impenetrable/resistant.
In other words, hunding is only BIS in your head. Nothing wrong with that, we all have our preferences. But crying for nerfs because of what really is just your subjective opinion? Just no.
its not in my head...go to any build list out there...see how many of them have 5 piece hundings..that is for a reason
I don't care about 'build lists'. I can use my own head. And my head tells me that having 10% higher crit chance when fighting a shield stacking sorc has way less value than any other stat i could use those two set bonuses for.
good thing it gives 300 weapon damage then huh? Oh yeah what other sets give that much weapon damage?
Morag Tong gives almost that much with 4 pieces combine that with ur Venom and ud have a good set there
yeah well fitted is amazing..dps loss thereSallington wrote: »sigh...this is why this thread is as long as it is..no one reads and makes the same silly argument.... hundings maximizes both crit and weapon damage...you augment your regen needs with other sets...you arnt going to wear 9 pieces of hundings..hundings is the baseline 5 piece armor set for BIS
Weapon damage and crit are not the only important stats. I would go as far as to say the double crit bonus is actually a waste.
You sacrifice two set bonus slots to increase a stat that does absolutely nothing when hitting a shielded opponent, and very little when hitting an opponent with impenetrable/resistant.
In other words, hunding is only BIS in your head. Nothing wrong with that, we all have our preferences. But crying for nerfs because of what really is just your subjective opinion? Just no.
its not in my head...go to any build list out there...see how many of them have 5 piece hundings..that is for a reason
I don't care about 'build lists'. I can use my own head. And my head tells me that having 10% higher crit chance when fighting a shield stacking sorc has way less value than any other stat i could use those two set bonuses for.
good thing it gives 300 weapon damage then huh? Oh yeah what other sets give that much weapon damage?sigh...this is why this thread is as long as it is..no one reads and makes the same silly argument.... hundings maximizes both crit and weapon damage...you augment your regen needs with other sets...you arnt going to wear 9 pieces of hundings..hundings is the baseline 5 piece armor set for BIS
Weapon damage and crit are not the only important stats. I would go as far as to say the double crit bonus is actually a waste.
You sacrifice two set bonus slots to increase a stat that does absolutely nothing when hitting a shielded opponent, and very little when hitting an opponent with impenetrable/resistant.
In other words, hunding is only BIS in your head. Nothing wrong with that, we all have our preferences. But crying for nerfs because of what really is just your subjective opinion? Just no.
its not in my head...go to any build list out there...see how many of them have 5 piece hundings..that is for a reason
I don't care about 'build lists'. I can use my own head. And my head tells me that having 10% higher crit chance when fighting a shield stacking sorc has way less value than any other stat i could use those two set bonuses for.
good thing it gives 300 weapon damage then huh? Oh yeah what other sets give that much weapon damage?
Morag Tong gives almost that much with 4 pieces combine that with ur Venom and ud have a good set there
yeah well fitted is amazing..dps loss there
EXACTLY!
You are mad at poor itemization and RNG. Direct your energy there, not nerfing crafted sets.
No I'm directing it at the 5 piece hundings bonus because it adds waaay too much weapon damage to a set that also maximizes crit. It maximizes the 2 most important stats for damage no other set does that
Why would you want more than one set to have the same bonuses?
And what would you get out of being nerfed? To make your PvE drops look better in comparison?
If you think the set is BiS, then make a set. If you're only mad because you think a similar, but better set NEEDS to be gotten from some PvE dungeon, then you're playing the wrong game.sigh...this is why this thread is as long as it is..no one reads and makes the same silly argument.... hundings maximizes both crit and weapon damage...you augment your regen needs with other sets...you arnt going to wear 9 pieces of hundings..hundings is the baseline 5 piece armor set for BIS
Weapon damage and crit are not the only important stats. I would go as far as to say the double crit bonus is actually a waste.
You sacrifice two set bonus slots to increase a stat that does absolutely nothing when hitting a shielded opponent, and very little when hitting an opponent with impenetrable/resistant.
In other words, hunding is only BIS in your head. Nothing wrong with that, we all have our preferences. But crying for nerfs because of what really is just your subjective opinion? Just no.
its not in my head...go to any build list out there...see how many of them have 5 piece hundings..that is for a reason
I don't care about 'build lists'. I can use my own head. And my head tells me that having 10% higher crit chance when fighting a shield stacking sorc has way less value than any other stat i could use those two set bonuses for.
good thing it gives 300 weapon damage then huh? Oh yeah what other sets give that much weapon damage?
300 weapon damage does not outweigh two set bonus slots filled with potentially useless stat.
fine then get rid of the crit rating on hundings rage and make it stamina since you think that would be a buff..people would cry about that btw
Mate, if they replaced crit on hunding's with stamina everyone would rush towards that set head over heels. Two stamina bonuses of almost 1000 each increases your damage output roughly as much as 200 weapon damage would...
I agree wholeheartedly on this response. I guarantee that this discussion would be accurate and relevant if hundings crit was replaced by stamina, without a doubt. Then there truly would be no reason to get dungeon drops (outside of monster helms basically). Not that there aren't other reasons to get the gear, but it wouldn't be optimal if this was the case.Sallington wrote: »sigh...this is why this thread is as long as it is..no one reads and makes the same silly argument.... hundings maximizes both crit and weapon damage...you augment your regen needs with other sets...you arnt going to wear 9 pieces of hundings..hundings is the baseline 5 piece armor set for BIS
Weapon damage and crit are not the only important stats. I would go as far as to say the double crit bonus is actually a waste.
You sacrifice two set bonus slots to increase a stat that does absolutely nothing when hitting a shielded opponent, and very little when hitting an opponent with impenetrable/resistant.
In other words, hunding is only BIS in your head. Nothing wrong with that, we all have our preferences. But crying for nerfs because of what really is just your subjective opinion? Just no.
its not in my head...go to any build list out there...see how many of them have 5 piece hundings..that is for a reason
I don't care about 'build lists'. I can use my own head. And my head tells me that having 10% higher crit chance when fighting a shield stacking sorc has way less value than any other stat i could use those two set bonuses for.
good thing it gives 300 weapon damage then huh? Oh yeah what other sets give that much weapon damage?sigh...this is why this thread is as long as it is..no one reads and makes the same silly argument.... hundings maximizes both crit and weapon damage...you augment your regen needs with other sets...you arnt going to wear 9 pieces of hundings..hundings is the baseline 5 piece armor set for BIS
Weapon damage and crit are not the only important stats. I would go as far as to say the double crit bonus is actually a waste.
You sacrifice two set bonus slots to increase a stat that does absolutely nothing when hitting a shielded opponent, and very little when hitting an opponent with impenetrable/resistant.
In other words, hunding is only BIS in your head. Nothing wrong with that, we all have our preferences. But crying for nerfs because of what really is just your subjective opinion? Just no.
its not in my head...go to any build list out there...see how many of them have 5 piece hundings..that is for a reason
I don't care about 'build lists'. I can use my own head. And my head tells me that having 10% higher crit chance when fighting a shield stacking sorc has way less value than any other stat i could use those two set bonuses for.
good thing it gives 300 weapon damage then huh? Oh yeah what other sets give that much weapon damage?
Morag Tong gives almost that much with 4 pieces combine that with ur Venom and ud have a good set there
yeah well fitted is amazing..dps loss thereSallington wrote: »sigh...this is why this thread is as long as it is..no one reads and makes the same silly argument.... hundings maximizes both crit and weapon damage...you augment your regen needs with other sets...you arnt going to wear 9 pieces of hundings..hundings is the baseline 5 piece armor set for BIS
Weapon damage and crit are not the only important stats. I would go as far as to say the double crit bonus is actually a waste.
You sacrifice two set bonus slots to increase a stat that does absolutely nothing when hitting a shielded opponent, and very little when hitting an opponent with impenetrable/resistant.
In other words, hunding is only BIS in your head. Nothing wrong with that, we all have our preferences. But crying for nerfs because of what really is just your subjective opinion? Just no.
its not in my head...go to any build list out there...see how many of them have 5 piece hundings..that is for a reason
I don't care about 'build lists'. I can use my own head. And my head tells me that having 10% higher crit chance when fighting a shield stacking sorc has way less value than any other stat i could use those two set bonuses for.
good thing it gives 300 weapon damage then huh? Oh yeah what other sets give that much weapon damage?sigh...this is why this thread is as long as it is..no one reads and makes the same silly argument.... hundings maximizes both crit and weapon damage...you augment your regen needs with other sets...you arnt going to wear 9 pieces of hundings..hundings is the baseline 5 piece armor set for BIS
Weapon damage and crit are not the only important stats. I would go as far as to say the double crit bonus is actually a waste.
You sacrifice two set bonus slots to increase a stat that does absolutely nothing when hitting a shielded opponent, and very little when hitting an opponent with impenetrable/resistant.
In other words, hunding is only BIS in your head. Nothing wrong with that, we all have our preferences. But crying for nerfs because of what really is just your subjective opinion? Just no.
its not in my head...go to any build list out there...see how many of them have 5 piece hundings..that is for a reason
I don't care about 'build lists'. I can use my own head. And my head tells me that having 10% higher crit chance when fighting a shield stacking sorc has way less value than any other stat i could use those two set bonuses for.
good thing it gives 300 weapon damage then huh? Oh yeah what other sets give that much weapon damage?
Morag Tong gives almost that much with 4 pieces combine that with ur Venom and ud have a good set there
yeah well fitted is amazing..dps loss there
EXACTLY!
You are mad at poor itemization and RNG. Direct your energy there, not nerfing crafted sets.
No I'm directing it at the 5 piece hundings bonus because it adds waaay too much weapon damage to a set that also maximizes crit. It maximizes the 2 most important stats for damage no other set does that
Why would you want more than one set to have the same bonuses?
And what would you get out of being nerfed? To make your PvE drops look better in comparison?
If you think the set is BiS, then make a set. If you're only mad because you think a similar, but better set NEEDS to be gotten from some PvE dungeon, then you're playing the wrong game.sigh...this is why this thread is as long as it is..no one reads and makes the same silly argument.... hundings maximizes both crit and weapon damage...you augment your regen needs with other sets...you arnt going to wear 9 pieces of hundings..hundings is the baseline 5 piece armor set for BIS
Weapon damage and crit are not the only important stats. I would go as far as to say the double crit bonus is actually a waste.
You sacrifice two set bonus slots to increase a stat that does absolutely nothing when hitting a shielded opponent, and very little when hitting an opponent with impenetrable/resistant.
In other words, hunding is only BIS in your head. Nothing wrong with that, we all have our preferences. But crying for nerfs because of what really is just your subjective opinion? Just no.
its not in my head...go to any build list out there...see how many of them have 5 piece hundings..that is for a reason
I don't care about 'build lists'. I can use my own head. And my head tells me that having 10% higher crit chance when fighting a shield stacking sorc has way less value than any other stat i could use those two set bonuses for.
good thing it gives 300 weapon damage then huh? Oh yeah what other sets give that much weapon damage?
300 weapon damage does not outweigh two set bonus slots filled with potentially useless stat.
fine then get rid of the crit rating on hundings rage and make it stamina since you think that would be a buff..people would cry about that btw
Mate, if they replaced crit on hunding's with stamina everyone would rush towards that set head over heels. Two stamina bonuses of almost 1000 each increases your damage output roughly as much as 200 weapon damage would...
I concede that point I replied too quickly. But yes 5 peice bonus is still overvalue
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Please can you add all sets in the game PVE/PVP/Crafted /Dailes ect into Crown store?
Its to hard to play the game you have set and I want it all now and I want all mine to be the best please please can you do this
@op is this what you want to happen as everything your looking for and going around in circles and adding pages and pages is basically sounding like.
Oh yea Zeni please add in Crown Bought Gold Keys for those of us that dont wish to do any pve or group and be social as well.
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