Kelleton wrote: »

"edorfeus wrote: »

But here, on the other hand. we see crying about crafted sets are "too easy to obtain and too op" only because the person is too lazy to invest time and effort to research traits.

Sorry I have all traits and styles already. Most people do...which is why it takes 0 effort to get hundings.


Hundings gives massive amounts of crit and weapon damage. Hundings gives more weapon damage than the end game weapon damage set (sheer venom) while also giving absurd amounts of crit.

and its still not BIS, briarheart is

Kelleton wrote: »

"edorfeus wrote: »

But here, on the other hand. we see crying about crafted sets are "too easy to obtain and too op" only because the person is too lazy to invest time and effort to research traits.

Sorry I have all traits and styles already. Most people do...which is why it takes 0 effort to get hundings.


Hundings gives massive amounts of crit and weapon damage. Hundings gives more weapon damage than the end game weapon damage set (sheer venom) while also giving absurd amounts of crit.

That doesn't erase the time spent to research all traits.

It is like going to college to learn to do your job, and now that you know how to do it properly and efficiently it takes little effort to do it. That doesn't mean the time, money and effort spent learning how to do that job isn't meaningful. Quite the opposite, really.

Kelleton wrote: »

"edorfeus wrote: »

But here, on the other hand. we see crying about crafted sets are "too easy to obtain and too op" only because the person is too lazy to invest time and effort to research traits.

Sorry I have all traits and styles already. Most people do...which is why it takes 0 effort to get hundings.


Hundings gives massive amounts of crit and weapon damage. Hundings gives more weapon damage than the end game weapon damage set (sheer venom) while also giving absurd amounts of crit.

Well, if you're playing on PC since release, you probably have everything by now, but let's not forget about others, who joined the game since console release. I was playing on PC too, but then I quit the game and only returned when it was released for consoles, and there are many people like me too. Night mother's set gives pretty much the same crit, why don't you demand to nerf it too? And it's the same 6 trait requirement.
Why not nerf for example hist bark, which gives you 20% doge chance on block? That's pretty powerful stuff for a tank and it requires only 4 traits! With that kind of attitude everything can be nerfed. Don't you think we have enough nerfs in the game already? Let's nerf the whole thing down so it would become unplayable then.

strikeback1247 wrote: »

I read the title and thought it was a troll...

Some things you have said just aren't true. Hunding's rage does not outperform every other stam set in the game. Briarheart and hunding's give pretty much the same dps, but briarheart has jewelry and heals. As someone said before, briar is BiS now.

Also, why should dungeons and trials give the best gear? The monster helmet grind isn't enough for ya? It seems like you're saying that crafting requires zero effort. Grinding mats, tempers, motifs and research definitely do not require any effort or time investment.

And from what I hear, pretty soon you won't have to grind for a monster helmet, all you will have to do is go to a certain vendor and BUY IT.

To the OP..........**** off. Do you know what it costs to make a set? (not simply to make it but to make to all gold) It's the basic game of paying for it with gold or time (finding your gear in raids) but you know what? I haven't been on a dungeon raid in MONTHS (since IC) because my guilds have all but given up doing them. So I would LOVE to get gear rewards from raids but it's just not happening.

So it's totally unfair to say that the only people entitled to the "best" gear are those lucky enough to be in a guild that is still doing raids. I should be able to get excellent gear if I'm willing to pay the cost (which interestingly is no different than buying a lot of it from a guild vendor)

Kelleton wrote: »

"edorfeus wrote: »

But here, on the other hand. we see crying about crafted sets are "too easy to obtain and too op" only because the person is too lazy to invest time and effort to research traits.

Sorry I have all traits and styles already. Most people do...which is why it takes 0 effort to get hundings.


Hundings gives massive amounts of crit and weapon damage. Hundings gives more weapon damage than the end game weapon damage set (sheer venom) while also giving absurd amounts of crit.

Something that you invested time into should never become irrelevant imo. Let's stick to the current system and move away from the typical MMO grind fest. You forget that not everyone maybe as resourceful as yourself and there is still the grind for materials and upgrade items. We already have to spend a long time grinding for monster sets with desirable traits and other dropped items (unless RNGesus loves you), as it stands there is a nice balance between the two. Crafted sets however are not superior for everyone and I've seen people use alternate setups (Briarheart, Spell Power Cure, etc) and do equal to if not better without crafted items. Remember player skill and champion points vary a lot so sustain for a low CP char won't be good.

All it takes is a quick glance at the replies in this thread, the majority clearly support crafting playing a role in end game gearing. OP you are entitled to your opinion and I respect that, doesn't mean that it's the truth.

Happy crafting!

edorfeus wrote: »

[ Night mother's set gives pretty much the same crit, why don't you demand to nerf it too? And it's the same 6 trait requirement.

because night mothers doesn't give more weapon damage than the end game weapon damage set (sheer venom)

I seriously doubt his claims of having all traits and motifs unlocked when hes claiming theres zero effort in it. Anyone that has spent any time trying to level up and research everything for Blacksmithing, Clothing and Woodworking know that the time spent is in the Research and the hunting down of traits (nirnhoned?). Add on the time to get ahold of all of the tempers for making things epic and theres hundreds if not thousands of hours wrapped up in their crafting skill.

No one is benefiting from zero effort. The only players benefiting are those who have already put in the effort and are now enjoying the fruits of their labor and those who have grinded and farmed gold to buy from other players.

Kelleton wrote: »

Ajaxduo wrote: »

All it takes is a quick glance at the replies in this thread, the majority clearly support crafting playing a role in end game gearing. OP you are entitled to your opinion and I respect that, doesn't mean that it's the truth.

Happy crafting!

Just because the majority like it doesn't mean its right. Slavery, Segregation, *** Germany were all supported by majority rule.

And this right here is exactly why you cant take this guy seriously. If this isnt a tale tell sign this is a troll post I dont know what is.

Actually I would prefer that crafted gear meant more than dropped gear. If they want to make dropped RESOURCES matter more I'm fine with that, but I do not believe they should ruin crafting like every other mmo that follows the same lame farm-dungeon method. SWG had it right before they ruined it.

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

I seriously doubt his claims of having all traits and motifs unlocked when hes claiming theres zero effort in it. Anyone that has spent any time trying to level up and research everything for Blacksmithing, Clothing and Woodworking know that the time spent is in the Research and the hunting down of traits (nirnhoned?). Add on the time to get ahold of all of the tempers for making things epic and theres hundreds if not thousands of hours wrapped up in their crafting skill.

No one is benefiting from zero effort. The only players benefiting are those who have already put in the effort and are now enjoying the fruits of their labor and those who have grinded and farmed gold to buy from other players.

Kelleton wrote: »

Ajaxduo wrote: »

All it takes is a quick glance at the replies in this thread, the majority clearly support crafting playing a role in end game gearing. OP you are entitled to your opinion and I respect that, doesn't mean that it's the truth.

Happy crafting!

Just because the majority like it doesn't mean its right. Slavery, Segregation, *** Germany were all supported by majority rule.

And this right here is exactly why you cant take this guy seriously. If this isnt a tale tell sign this is a troll post I dont know what is.

I could accept certain resources are used/obtained by dungeons that can then be utilized by crafters. I would love something like that. For example, the crocodile head, or the engine guardian head from Undaunted sets. It would be nice if the BEST version of these were made by an actual crafter. That's the kind of game I'd like to play. The very notion of 'bind on-anything' is mentally challenged. I'm glad real life isn't like that, otherwise I'd never be able to sell my car or my house or my couch, and old junk would pile up in my yard and house till I'd have to move and find another place to mess up. This would also allow people who are the first to beat a scenario to get the gear, but over time it would settle down to a comfortable stasis. There's nothing wrong with that, ultimately I think content should be played because it is fun, not because you're trying to grind the same dungeon over and over to get a specific drop. For some people that -is- fun. For other people who are good players they would rather go out and pvp. Other players might like to just craft. I don't see why all playstyles couldn't have their way in the system. This is why I really think the original SWG had it right.

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

The very notion of 'bind on-anything' is mentally challenged.

That would be fine if you arnt allowed to repair your gear

Kelleton wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

I seriously doubt his claims of having all traits and motifs unlocked when hes claiming theres zero effort in it. Anyone that has spent any time trying to level up and research everything for Blacksmithing, Clothing and Woodworking know that the time spent is in the Research and the hunting down of traits (nirnhoned?). Add on the time to get ahold of all of the tempers for making things epic and theres hundreds if not thousands of hours wrapped up in their crafting skill.

No one is benefiting from zero effort. The only players benefiting are those who have already put in the effort and are now enjoying the fruits of their labor and those who have grinded and farmed gold to buy from other players.

Kelleton wrote: »

Ajaxduo wrote: »

All it takes is a quick glance at the replies in this thread, the majority clearly support crafting playing a role in end game gearing. OP you are entitled to your opinion and I respect that, doesn't mean that it's the truth.

Happy crafting!

Just because the majority like it doesn't mean its right. Slavery, Segregation, *** Germany were all supported by majority rule.

And this right here is exactly why you cant take this guy seriously. If this isnt a tale tell sign this is a troll post I dont know what is.

Look at my profile and see my join date - 0 effort. Its so hard to go to the auction house buy a sword for 200 gold and then go to a forge and hit research...whew exhausting... My point still stands just because a lot of people who put no thought into their opinions think it is so doesn't mean it is.

"I want BiS gear easy to get instantly the minute the level cap goes up cause its good for the game...I want end game pve and pvp gear to be useless because only the top 10% can get it and I don't have time.." That's all I hear this thread and its crap game development

Your join date has nothing to do with you actually doing anything with the crafting system. Next.

*sigh* I thought this would have been closed by now...