Harassment. Is there anything to be done about it?

Cuyler · January 2016

Glaiceana wrote: »

ZOS_AlanG wrote: »

There are many players who use the report features, but far more who do not - which is why we take opportunities like this to promote them. Similarly, it's quite common for people to be unaware of the ignore feature, especially here on the forums where they were not initially available. We understand that some players would like to see more options, and as always welcome this feedback and discussion.

@ZOS_AlanG I have noticed that for in game reports, your details and message gets cut short. I have made several reports (not on harassment though), that describe in depth the problem. However, when I go to see my list of tickets, only a fraction of the start of my report is listed. Therefore anyone viewing this report would get very little information. What this means is that every ticket in my overview in my support account is nearly invalid, since only part of the subject is shown. I then have to retype the rest of my message from memory that I had typed in game into the browser instead. Can you expand on this?

EDIT: Adding this image to show what I mean as example:

This report was made about a graphical glitch that everyone could see. I had written down everything about the location etc. BUT, as you can see, only part of the report is visible, only the start of the message got through to the system from in game. Therefore making it a useless report. There is no other information. This was the first report I made, and have since forgotten the location, therefore cannot add the missing information now.

IIRC the report dialogs are truncated to 140 characters. I think a lot of bugs and harassment reports go un-reported simply because of this reason. The info gets cut-off. ZOS should include a statement in the dialog box that clearly states 140 characters.

PrinceBoru · January 2016

181 replies later and the answer remains the same.
Report it.
And I'm not into all this victimization pc stuff.
Just don't feed the trolls.

Hope499 · January 2016

The game is designed so you CANT be harassed if you want.

(teleport to player, appear offline, teleport out of area, different servers, mute and block players...)

There are many, many ways to solve the problem yourself, it most certainly is not ZOS fault...

Hope499 · January 2016

Nilmot wrote: »

Run to nearest wayshrine, which are within a minute or 2 from basically everywhere, and port to anywhere else. Do your banking, selling, repairing, then go back. Pram solved.

This, is only ONE way out of 10 possible solutions to fix the issue.

sekhem · January 2016

Hope499 wrote: »

The game is designed so you CANT be harassed if you want.

(teleport to player, appear offline, teleport out of area, different servers, mute and block players...)

The ONLY reason someone is getting harassed in ESO, is because they are wanting it. ...and wanting to make a bid deal out of nothing.

mmm...I think you went a step too far there. Saying the OP should have just teleported away for a bit is one thing but dont make it seem like they were out looking for trouble. Its a little offensive.
As far as dealing with people harassing in this game yes the game gives you lots of ways to just avoid continued contact with the person. Its sucks that the OP was inconvenienced trying to finish a quest and they should by all means report the person but realistically do you expect the ZOS hall monitor to hang out behind you 24/7 just to put the bullies in detention?

edit: Really I just try to remind myself that the person being a jerk probably has some nasty stuff going on in their life. Its not an excuse for their behavior but it makes me thankful there is nothing like that in my life making me so antagonistic.

Hope499 · January 2016

sekhem wrote: »

Hope499 wrote: »

The game is designed so you CANT be harassed if you want.

(teleport to player, appear offline, teleport out of area, different servers, mute and block players...)

The ONLY reason someone is getting harassed in ESO, is because they are wanting it. ...and wanting to make a bid deal out of nothing.

mmm...I think you went a step too far there. Saying the OP should have just teleported away for a bit is one thing but dont make it seem like they were out looking for trouble. Its a little offensive.
As far as dealing with people harassing in this game yes the game gives you lots of ways to just avoid continued contact with the person. Its sucks that the OP was inconvenienced trying to finish a quest and they should by all means report the person but realistically do you expect the ZOS hall monitor to hang out behind you 24/7 just to put the bullies in detention?

Okay, fair enough I edited it. I just honestly cant see how this is a problem....

istateres · January 2016

Hope499 wrote: »

Nilmot wrote: »

Run to nearest wayshrine, which are within a minute or 2 from basically everywhere, and port to anywhere else. Do your banking, selling, repairing, then go back. Pram solved.

Cant do that, they wont have a reason to get upset then...cmon now.

You are the problem, not the solution. Suggesting the solution is to leave, IS feeding the troll. Furthermore, it supports the idea that the individual being harassed has done something wrong. They haven't. The OP is blameless, they don't 'want it'. This isn't nothing, this is bulling. Plain and simple.

Hope499 · January 2016

istateres wrote: »

Hope499 wrote: »

Nilmot wrote: »

Run to nearest wayshrine, which are within a minute or 2 from basically everywhere, and port to anywhere else. Do your banking, selling, repairing, then go back. Pram solved.

Cant do that, they wont have a reason to get upset then...cmon now.

You are the problem, not the solution. Suggesting the solution is to leave, IS feeding the troll. ==

What?

No, its not. it is solving the problem yourself, without making a mountain out of a mole hill.

If it bothers YOU, then YOU solve it.

What is with this generation of hand holders? Got a problem that you can SOLVE YOURSELF? (and yes, all these people have the means to solve it themselves) then put on your big boy/girl pants and DO IT.

But no...lets blame ZOS....so crazy and immature....

Sorry, but "I" am the problem? Could not disagree with you more, but to each their own.

Hope499 · January 2016

sekhem wrote: »

do you expect the ZOS hall monitor to hang out behind you 24/7 just to put the bullies in detention?

It is sad, and it worries me that there is some people that believe this...but yes, some people seem to expect that....

sekhem · January 2016

istateres wrote: »

Hope499 wrote: »

Nilmot wrote: »

Run to nearest wayshrine, which are within a minute or 2 from basically everywhere, and port to anywhere else. Do your banking, selling, repairing, then go back. Pram solved.

Cant do that, they wont have a reason to get upset then...cmon now.

You are the problem, not the solution. Suggesting the solution is to leave, IS feeding the troll. Furthermore, it supports the idea that the individual being harassed has done something wrong. They haven't. The OP is blameless, they don't 'want it'. This isn't nothing, this is bulling. Plain and simple.

Also offensive to declare that they are the problem. Hope499 seems like a diy problem solver to me. Im not really an old timer but I have noticed a huge increase in the amount of people who need to have everything done for them and fixed up nice and purdy so they dont have to worry about the vulgarities of life. Growing up I was taught to turn the other cheek and figure stuff out yourself.

Glaiceana · January 2016

Cuyler wrote: »

Glaiceana wrote: »

ZOS_AlanG wrote: »

There are many players who use the report features, but far more who do not - which is why we take opportunities like this to promote them. Similarly, it's quite common for people to be unaware of the ignore feature, especially here on the forums where they were not initially available. We understand that some players would like to see more options, and as always welcome this feedback and discussion.

@ZOS_AlanG I have noticed that for in game reports, your details and message gets cut short. I have made several reports (not on harassment though), that describe in depth the problem. However, when I go to see my list of tickets, only a fraction of the start of my report is listed. Therefore anyone viewing this report would get very little information. What this means is that every ticket in my overview in my support account is nearly invalid, since only part of the subject is shown. I then have to retype the rest of my message from memory that I had typed in game into the browser instead. Can you expand on this?

EDIT: Adding this image to show what I mean as example:

This report was made about a graphical glitch that everyone could see. I had written down everything about the location etc. BUT, as you can see, only part of the report is visible, only the start of the message got through to the system from in game. Therefore making it a useless report. There is no other information. This was the first report I made, and have since forgotten the location, therefore cannot add the missing information now.

IIRC the report dialogs are truncated to 140 characters. I think a lot of bugs and harassment reports go un-reported simply because of this reason. The info gets cut-off. ZOS should include a statement in the dialog box that clearly states 140 characters.

As you can see in my image, there is just 90 characters (75 with no spaces) allowed ... this is no where near enough to form a decent report. With this problem, you cannot reliably report harassment, glitches, exploits, graphic errors, nothing.

Cuyler · January 2016

Glaiceana wrote: »

Cuyler wrote: »

Glaiceana wrote: »

ZOS_AlanG wrote: »

There are many players who use the report features, but far more who do not - which is why we take opportunities like this to promote them. Similarly, it's quite common for people to be unaware of the ignore feature, especially here on the forums where they were not initially available. We understand that some players would like to see more options, and as always welcome this feedback and discussion.

@ZOS_AlanG I have noticed that for in game reports, your details and message gets cut short. I have made several reports (not on harassment though), that describe in depth the problem. However, when I go to see my list of tickets, only a fraction of the start of my report is listed. Therefore anyone viewing this report would get very little information. What this means is that every ticket in my overview in my support account is nearly invalid, since only part of the subject is shown. I then have to retype the rest of my message from memory that I had typed in game into the browser instead. Can you expand on this?

EDIT: Adding this image to show what I mean as example:

This report was made about a graphical glitch that everyone could see. I had written down everything about the location etc. BUT, as you can see, only part of the report is visible, only the start of the message got through to the system from in game. Therefore making it a useless report. There is no other information. This was the first report I made, and have since forgotten the location, therefore cannot add the missing information now.

IIRC the report dialogs are truncated to 140 characters. I think a lot of bugs and harassment reports go un-reported simply because of this reason. The info gets cut-off. ZOS should include a statement in the dialog box that clearly states 140 characters.

As you can see in my image, there is just 90 characters (75 with no spaces) allowed ... this is no where near enough to form a decent report. With this problem, you cannot reliably report harassment, glitches, exploits, graphic errors, nothing.

Agreeeeed. They need a better report dialog.

Lysette · January 2016

I will use a metaphor to describe what I want to say - if my hand gets burned in a fire I do what?- Complain about it and keep my hand in the fire or do I remove it and end the burn?- Just go and play with an alt, if you cannot handle it.

BabeestorGor · January 2016

Hope499 wrote: »

istateres wrote: »

Hope499 wrote: »

Nilmot wrote: »

Run to nearest wayshrine, which are within a minute or 2 from basically everywhere, and port to anywhere else. Do your banking, selling, repairing, then go back. Pram solved.

Cant do that, they wont have a reason to get upset then...cmon now.

You are the problem, not the solution. Suggesting the solution is to leave, IS feeding the troll. ==

What?

No, its not. it is solving the problem yourself, without making a mountain out of a mole hill.

If it bothers YOU, then YOU solve it.

What is with this generation of hand holders? Got a problem that you can SOLVE YOURSELF? (and yes, all these people have the means to solve it themselves) then put on your big boy/girl pants and DO IT.

But no...lets blame ZOS....so crazy and immature....

Sorry, but "I" am the problem? Could not disagree with you more, but to each their own.

How do you suggest we solve it?
Leave the area is a victory for the harrasser
Ignoring them doesn't work very well if they are interfering with what you're trying to do
Being abusive back to them or naming and shaming aren't options, they just risk the victim being the one who gets banned
The only solution open to us is report the matter to ZOS and hope they take action

$fractalknight$ · January 2016

If you are on a console, create a party even if you are the only one in it. I do because you can't hear the other players. I don't have a work around for the visual irritation they cause, but it is much easier to ignore them if you can't hear them. Potions of invisibility are not hard to brew, but that just makes it more annoying to have to take it get away from morons.
I think the ones telling you to grow a thicker skin are probably of the same ilk as the ones annoying you, if not the ones that are annoying you.

Good luck with the troll control.

Lysette · January 2016

BabeestorGor wrote: »

Hope499 wrote: »

istateres wrote: »

Hope499 wrote: »

Nilmot wrote: »

Run to nearest wayshrine, which are within a minute or 2 from basically everywhere, and port to anywhere else. Do your banking, selling, repairing, then go back. Pram solved.

Cant do that, they wont have a reason to get upset then...cmon now.

You are the problem, not the solution. Suggesting the solution is to leave, IS feeding the troll. ==

What?

No, its not. it is solving the problem yourself, without making a mountain out of a mole hill.

If it bothers YOU, then YOU solve it.

What is with this generation of hand holders? Got a problem that you can SOLVE YOURSELF? (and yes, all these people have the means to solve it themselves) then put on your big boy/girl pants and DO IT.

But no...lets blame ZOS....so crazy and immature....

Sorry, but "I" am the problem? Could not disagree with you more, but to each their own.

How do you suggest we solve it?
Leave the area is a victory for the harrasser
Ignoring them doesn't work very well if they are interfering with what you're trying to do
Being abusive back to them or naming and shaming aren't options, they just risk the victim being the one who gets banned
The only solution open to us is report the matter to ZOS and hope they take action

Leaving the area is not a victory for them - this just looks like this for you, but in fact their goal is not reached. They want to annoy you, it is up to you to not get annoyed but just avoid them - and there are plenty of ways to do that. Three of those are 1. wait and do nothing and watch them getting bored and 2. move away and do something else and 3. play with an alt.

Hope499 · January 2016

BabeestorGor wrote: »

Hope499 wrote: »

istateres wrote: »

Hope499 wrote: »

Nilmot wrote: »

Run to nearest wayshrine, which are within a minute or 2 from basically everywhere, and port to anywhere else. Do your banking, selling, repairing, then go back. Pram solved.

Cant do that, they wont have a reason to get upset then...cmon now.

You are the problem, not the solution. Suggesting the solution is to leave, IS feeding the troll. ==

What?

No, its not. it is solving the problem yourself, without making a mountain out of a mole hill.

If it bothers YOU, then YOU solve it.

What is with this generation of hand holders? Got a problem that you can SOLVE YOURSELF? (and yes, all these people have the means to solve it themselves) then put on your big boy/girl pants and DO IT.

But no...lets blame ZOS....so crazy and immature....

Sorry, but "I" am the problem? Could not disagree with you more, but to each their own.

How do you suggest we solve it?
Leave the area is a victory for the harrasser

There it is, the pride.

That is the only problem here. 'Victory" for the harasser? Cmon now....

If that is how you look at it, no one can help you, not ZOS and not yourself.

BabeestorGor · January 2016

Lysette wrote: »

BabeestorGor wrote: »

Hope499 wrote: »

istateres wrote: »

Hope499 wrote: »

Nilmot wrote: »

Run to nearest wayshrine, which are within a minute or 2 from basically everywhere, and port to anywhere else. Do your banking, selling, repairing, then go back. Pram solved.

Cant do that, they wont have a reason to get upset then...cmon now.

You are the problem, not the solution. Suggesting the solution is to leave, IS feeding the troll. ==

What?

No, its not. it is solving the problem yourself, without making a mountain out of a mole hill.

If it bothers YOU, then YOU solve it.

What is with this generation of hand holders? Got a problem that you can SOLVE YOURSELF? (and yes, all these people have the means to solve it themselves) then put on your big boy/girl pants and DO IT.

But no...lets blame ZOS....so crazy and immature....

Sorry, but "I" am the problem? Could not disagree with you more, but to each their own.

How do you suggest we solve it?
Leave the area is a victory for the harrasser
Ignoring them doesn't work very well if they are interfering with what you're trying to do
Being abusive back to them or naming and shaming aren't options, they just risk the victim being the one who gets banned
The only solution open to us is report the matter to ZOS and hope they take action

Leaving the area is not a victory for them - this just looks like this for you, but in fact their goal is not reached. They want to annoy you, it is up to you to not get annoyed but just avoid them - and there are plenty of ways to do that. Three of those are 1. wait and do nothing and watch them getting bored and 2. move away and do something else and 3. play with an alt.

If they stop me doing what I want where I want in the game then its certainly not a victory for me

Lysette · January 2016

Hope499 wrote: »

BabeestorGor wrote: »

Hope499 wrote: »

istateres wrote: »

Hope499 wrote: »

Nilmot wrote: »

Run to nearest wayshrine, which are within a minute or 2 from basically everywhere, and port to anywhere else. Do your banking, selling, repairing, then go back. Pram solved.

Cant do that, they wont have a reason to get upset then...cmon now.

You are the problem, not the solution. Suggesting the solution is to leave, IS feeding the troll. ==

What?

No, its not. it is solving the problem yourself, without making a mountain out of a mole hill.

If it bothers YOU, then YOU solve it.

What is with this generation of hand holders? Got a problem that you can SOLVE YOURSELF? (and yes, all these people have the means to solve it themselves) then put on your big boy/girl pants and DO IT.

But no...lets blame ZOS....so crazy and immature....

Sorry, but "I" am the problem? Could not disagree with you more, but to each their own.

How do you suggest we solve it?
Leave the area is a victory for the harrasser

There it is, the pride.

That is the only problem here. 'Victory" for the harasser? Cmon now....

If that is how you look at it, no one can help you, not ZOS and not yourself.

You got to the point even better than me. That is what I meant.

Lysette · January 2016

BabeestorGor wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

BabeestorGor wrote: »

Hope499 wrote: »

istateres wrote: »

Hope499 wrote: »

Nilmot wrote: »

Run to nearest wayshrine, which are within a minute or 2 from basically everywhere, and port to anywhere else. Do your banking, selling, repairing, then go back. Pram solved.

Cant do that, they wont have a reason to get upset then...cmon now.

You are the problem, not the solution. Suggesting the solution is to leave, IS feeding the troll. ==

What?

No, its not. it is solving the problem yourself, without making a mountain out of a mole hill.

If it bothers YOU, then YOU solve it.

What is with this generation of hand holders? Got a problem that you can SOLVE YOURSELF? (and yes, all these people have the means to solve it themselves) then put on your big boy/girl pants and DO IT.

But no...lets blame ZOS....so crazy and immature....

Sorry, but "I" am the problem? Could not disagree with you more, but to each their own.

How do you suggest we solve it?
Leave the area is a victory for the harrasser
Ignoring them doesn't work very well if they are interfering with what you're trying to do
Being abusive back to them or naming and shaming aren't options, they just risk the victim being the one who gets banned
The only solution open to us is report the matter to ZOS and hope they take action

Leaving the area is not a victory for them - this just looks like this for you, but in fact their goal is not reached. They want to annoy you, it is up to you to not get annoyed but just avoid them - and there are plenty of ways to do that. Three of those are 1. wait and do nothing and watch them getting bored and 2. move away and do something else and 3. play with an alt.

If they stop me doing what I want where I want in the game then its certainly not a victory for me

But staying there and getting annoyed and write a report and feel angry about the issue is even worse, don't you think? Think of my analogy of the hand in the fire - you remove the hand and don't let it burn while complaining. The solution here is to avoid it, not to continue with it until it really does damage.

Hope499 · January 2016

BabeestorGor wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

BabeestorGor wrote: »

Hope499 wrote: »

istateres wrote: »

Hope499 wrote: »

Nilmot wrote: »

Run to nearest wayshrine, which are within a minute or 2 from basically everywhere, and port to anywhere else. Do your banking, selling, repairing, then go back. Pram solved.

Cant do that, they wont have a reason to get upset then...cmon now.

You are the problem, not the solution. Suggesting the solution is to leave, IS feeding the troll. ==

What?

No, its not. it is solving the problem yourself, without making a mountain out of a mole hill.

If it bothers YOU, then YOU solve it.

What is with this generation of hand holders? Got a problem that you can SOLVE YOURSELF? (and yes, all these people have the means to solve it themselves) then put on your big boy/girl pants and DO IT.

But no...lets blame ZOS....so crazy and immature....

Sorry, but "I" am the problem? Could not disagree with you more, but to each their own.

How do you suggest we solve it?
Leave the area is a victory for the harrasser
Ignoring them doesn't work very well if they are interfering with what you're trying to do
Being abusive back to them or naming and shaming aren't options, they just risk the victim being the one who gets banned
The only solution open to us is report the matter to ZOS and hope they take action

Leaving the area is not a victory for them - this just looks like this for you, but in fact their goal is not reached. They want to annoy you, it is up to you to not get annoyed but just avoid them - and there are plenty of ways to do that. Three of those are 1. wait and do nothing and watch them getting bored and 2. move away and do something else and 3. play with an alt.

If they stop me doing what I want where I want in the game then its certainly not a victory for me

Dont even look at it like that, honestly.

I encounter the odd troll, I know what you mean, yes its annoying, but there are easy fixes.

One thing I do is just open my inventory and start lookin at crap, they got bored within 30 sec every time.

Or i go do my writs and come back, they are always gone when I return.

Do a different mission, when you come back, they will be gone. Just stand there and pretend to be AFK, they will lose attention within seconds.

Dont look at it as anyone "winning" look at it as you getting to play in piece like you want.

MornaBaine · January 2016

reften wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

ZOS_AlanG wrote: »

A large number of posts were removed from this thread, as well as any replies, and we are re-opening it. We ask that everyone remember to keep their posts civil and constructive, and abide by the forum rules. Additionally, if you feel that a comment or thread is inappropriate, please report it. It's also a good idea not to reply to anything you've reported, as your risk escalating the issue, and minimally you've embroiled yourself in it.

Regarding in-game harassment, if someone is acting inappropriately or you feel they are breaking the Terms of Service please report them in-game, or by submitting a ticket on the help site. The more detail you can provide, the easier it will be for us to investigate. Screenshots are particularly helpful - even for text chat, as it allows you to highlight the specific lines that offend you, and makes it easier for us to zero in on the appropriate part of the chat log.

As some have mentioned, you can also put players on an ignore list so they can't message you. This is an option both in-game and on the forums.

Wow. Just...wow. This right here is a stellar example of EVERYTHING that is wrong with the attitude of the powers that be in this game. You have been told time and time again that the way other players can and DO grief and harass players is a huge problem in this game. You have been told time and time again that the current system of reporting and /ignore for chat is NOT acceptable and does NOT address the problem. And yet you STILL trot out the canned answer above that does nothing but make those of us who HAVE been endlessly harassed feel like we just got griefed by ZOS. WTG Zeni, WTG.

What Zos does need is an auto submit thing that can take the last 10-20 lines of dialog in your chat box and submit it.

But here is the thing, if they strictly enforced their rules, they'd probably ban 10% to 20% of their player base.

Even if that were true, so what? How many of those people keep monthly subs? They've already bought the game and agreed to the TOS that say if they don't follow the rules they can be banned, regardless. So there really isn't even an $$ incentive to keep these kind of troublemakers around. I know for a fact these kinds of people have driven perfectly nice and sub holding players out of the game. They cost Zeni more money than they can possibly be worth. This is a far huger problem than it is in other MMOs because of the megaserver. There's really no escape from them. And with even the "haven" of player housing nowhere in sight this year it can really feel like to matter where you go you are being exposed to players who are going to do their level best to ruin your experience. Allowing them to run amuck is really not in Zenni's best interests.

And here's the real kicker. A visual ignore feature would end the need for reports and even the need to ban these problem players from the game. It would actually ELIMINATE headaches for ZOS. If you can, with the press of a button, make griefers disappear, leaving them free to do whatever obnoxious or offensive thing they were doing, and never have to see or hear from them again then they aren't getting punished and kicked and you can play a game free of people trying to ruin it for you and ZoS has to dedicate ZERO staff to dealing with griefers and threads like these disappear from the forums for all time, along with the bad press for the game they bring. Implementing a visual ignore feature honestly seems like a no-brainer to me and I'm more than a little upset that they do not appear to have even considered it.

IrishGirlGamer · January 2016

Lysette wrote: »

BabeestorGor wrote: »

Hope499 wrote: »

istateres wrote: »

Hope499 wrote: »

Nilmot wrote: »

Run to nearest wayshrine, which are within a minute or 2 from basically everywhere, and port to anywhere else. Do your banking, selling, repairing, then go back. Pram solved.

Cant do that, they wont have a reason to get upset then...cmon now.

You are the problem, not the solution. Suggesting the solution is to leave, IS feeding the troll. ==

What?

No, its not. it is solving the problem yourself, without making a mountain out of a mole hill.

If it bothers YOU, then YOU solve it.

What is with this generation of hand holders? Got a problem that you can SOLVE YOURSELF? (and yes, all these people have the means to solve it themselves) then put on your big boy/girl pants and DO IT.

But no...lets blame ZOS....so crazy and immature....

Sorry, but "I" am the problem? Could not disagree with you more, but to each their own.

How do you suggest we solve it?
Leave the area is a victory for the harrasser
Ignoring them doesn't work very well if they are interfering with what you're trying to do
Being abusive back to them or naming and shaming aren't options, they just risk the victim being the one who gets banned
The only solution open to us is report the matter to ZOS and hope they take action

Leaving the area is not a victory for them - this just looks like this for you, but in fact their goal is not reached. They want to annoy you, it is up to you to not get annoyed but just avoid them - and there are plenty of ways to do that. Three of those are 1. wait and do nothing and watch them getting bored and 2. move away and do something else and 3. play with an alt.

I almost agree with this statement right here.

I agree it's not victory for the harasser (who may or may not see it that way), but it doesn't discourage future behavior either. In fact, it encourages it (for those harassers who really do get satisfaction from driving someone from the game.)

The idea that someone who is doing something like this will now suddenly stop doing it because you vacate the premises is beyond wrong and wrongheaded. (And was very clearly disproven when Neville Chamberlain announced "Peace in our time." Yeah, Neville, that little piece of paper stopped the N@zi's, didn't it?)

Walking away solves nothing. But you know who I agree with? @Hope499, that's who. I agree I want to solve the problem myself. I do. I want Zenimax to give me the power to deal with these issues right there. Let me duel them. Let me call my guild mates to duel them. Problematic? You bet it is, but you bet Mr. Harasser will find another place to play very, very fast.

You can call it pride if you want. I call self-defense, and sweet pea, it doesn't include walking away.

Lysette · January 2016

IrishGirlGamer wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

BabeestorGor wrote: »

Hope499 wrote: »

istateres wrote: »

Hope499 wrote: »

Nilmot wrote: »

Run to nearest wayshrine, which are within a minute or 2 from basically everywhere, and port to anywhere else. Do your banking, selling, repairing, then go back. Pram solved.

Cant do that, they wont have a reason to get upset then...cmon now.

You are the problem, not the solution. Suggesting the solution is to leave, IS feeding the troll. ==

What?

No, its not. it is solving the problem yourself, without making a mountain out of a mole hill.

If it bothers YOU, then YOU solve it.

What is with this generation of hand holders? Got a problem that you can SOLVE YOURSELF? (and yes, all these people have the means to solve it themselves) then put on your big boy/girl pants and DO IT.

But no...lets blame ZOS....so crazy and immature....

Sorry, but "I" am the problem? Could not disagree with you more, but to each their own.

How do you suggest we solve it?
Leave the area is a victory for the harrasser
Ignoring them doesn't work very well if they are interfering with what you're trying to do
Being abusive back to them or naming and shaming aren't options, they just risk the victim being the one who gets banned
The only solution open to us is report the matter to ZOS and hope they take action

Leaving the area is not a victory for them - this just looks like this for you, but in fact their goal is not reached. They want to annoy you, it is up to you to not get annoyed but just avoid them - and there are plenty of ways to do that. Three of those are 1. wait and do nothing and watch them getting bored and 2. move away and do something else and 3. play with an alt.

I almost agree with this statement right here.

I agree it's not victory for the harasser (who may or may not see it that way), but it doesn't discourage future behavior either. In fact, it encourages it (for those harassers who really do get satisfaction from driving someone from the game.)

The idea that someone who is doing something like this will now suddenly stop doing it because you vacate the premises is beyond wrong and wrongheaded. (And was very clearly disproven when Neville Chamberlain announced "Peace in our time." Yeah, Neville, that little piece of paper stopped the N@zi's, didn't it?)

Walking away solves nothing. But you know who I agree with? @Hope499, that's who. I agree I want to solve the problem myself. I do. I want Zenimax to give me the power to deal with these issues right there. Let me duel them. Let me call my guild mates to duel them. Problematic? You bet it is, but you bet Mr. Harasser will find another place to play very, very fast.

You can call it pride if you want. I call self-defense, and sweet pea, it doesn't include walking away.

The problem with your approach is, you got involved and showed to the harrasser, that it had an effect on you and hurt you. You gave him satisfaction, and that is plain wrong. Refusal to give him this satisfaction by just boring him to death is better.

Edit: And even worse, he was able to force your focus on him and issues he has - just don't let this get to you, this is not a matter of pride or self-defense. This is a matter of getting rid of a person, who will not change, no matter what you do, because he is a low-lifer, a loser and has no other way to deal with his situation.

BabeestorGor · January 2016

Lysette wrote: »

IrishGirlGamer wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

BabeestorGor wrote: »

Hope499 wrote: »

istateres wrote: »

Hope499 wrote: »

Nilmot wrote: »

Run to nearest wayshrine, which are within a minute or 2 from basically everywhere, and port to anywhere else. Do your banking, selling, repairing, then go back. Pram solved.

Cant do that, they wont have a reason to get upset then...cmon now.

You are the problem, not the solution. Suggesting the solution is to leave, IS feeding the troll. ==

What?

No, its not. it is solving the problem yourself, without making a mountain out of a mole hill.

If it bothers YOU, then YOU solve it.

What is with this generation of hand holders? Got a problem that you can SOLVE YOURSELF? (and yes, all these people have the means to solve it themselves) then put on your big boy/girl pants and DO IT.

But no...lets blame ZOS....so crazy and immature....

Sorry, but "I" am the problem? Could not disagree with you more, but to each their own.

How do you suggest we solve it?
Leave the area is a victory for the harrasser
Ignoring them doesn't work very well if they are interfering with what you're trying to do
Being abusive back to them or naming and shaming aren't options, they just risk the victim being the one who gets banned
The only solution open to us is report the matter to ZOS and hope they take action

Leaving the area is not a victory for them - this just looks like this for you, but in fact their goal is not reached. They want to annoy you, it is up to you to not get annoyed but just avoid them - and there are plenty of ways to do that. Three of those are 1. wait and do nothing and watch them getting bored and 2. move away and do something else and 3. play with an alt.

I almost agree with this statement right here.

I agree it's not victory for the harasser (who may or may not see it that way), but it doesn't discourage future behavior either. In fact, it encourages it (for those harassers who really do get satisfaction from driving someone from the game.)

The idea that someone who is doing something like this will now suddenly stop doing it because you vacate the premises is beyond wrong and wrongheaded. (And was very clearly disproven when Neville Chamberlain announced "Peace in our time." Yeah, Neville, that little piece of paper stopped the N@zi's, didn't it?)

Walking away solves nothing. But you know who I agree with? @Hope499, that's who. I agree I want to solve the problem myself. I do. I want Zenimax to give me the power to deal with these issues right there. Let me duel them. Let me call my guild mates to duel them. Problematic? You bet it is, but you bet Mr. Harasser will find another place to play very, very fast.

You can call it pride if you want. I call self-defense, and sweet pea, it doesn't include walking away.

The problem with your approach is, you got involved and showed to the harrasser, that it had an effect on you and hurt you. You gave him satisfaction, and that is plain wrong. Refusal to give him this satisfaction by just boring him to death is better.

Edit: And even worse, he was able to force your focus on him and issues he has - just don't let this get to you, this is not a matter of pride or self-defense. This is a matter of getting rid of a person, who will not change, no matter what you do, because he is a low-lifer, a loser and has no other way to deal with his situation.

Ignoring them is what I've done and it works - that time on that one individual.
Doesn't stop him harrassing someone else, doesn't stop another idiot coming along and annoying me 10 minutes later.
I don't think its unreasonable to expect ZOS to take action against these people if they are reported, especially if they are repeat offenders.

IrishGirlGamer · January 2016

Lysette wrote: »

IrishGirlGamer wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

BabeestorGor wrote: »

Hope499 wrote: »

istateres wrote: »

Hope499 wrote: »

Nilmot wrote: »

Run to nearest wayshrine, which are within a minute or 2 from basically everywhere, and port to anywhere else. Do your banking, selling, repairing, then go back. Pram solved.

Cant do that, they wont have a reason to get upset then...cmon now.

You are the problem, not the solution. Suggesting the solution is to leave, IS feeding the troll. ==

What?

No, its not. it is solving the problem yourself, without making a mountain out of a mole hill.

If it bothers YOU, then YOU solve it.

What is with this generation of hand holders? Got a problem that you can SOLVE YOURSELF? (and yes, all these people have the means to solve it themselves) then put on your big boy/girl pants and DO IT.

But no...lets blame ZOS....so crazy and immature....

Sorry, but "I" am the problem? Could not disagree with you more, but to each their own.

How do you suggest we solve it?
Leave the area is a victory for the harrasser
Ignoring them doesn't work very well if they are interfering with what you're trying to do
Being abusive back to them or naming and shaming aren't options, they just risk the victim being the one who gets banned
The only solution open to us is report the matter to ZOS and hope they take action

Leaving the area is not a victory for them - this just looks like this for you, but in fact their goal is not reached. They want to annoy you, it is up to you to not get annoyed but just avoid them - and there are plenty of ways to do that. Three of those are 1. wait and do nothing and watch them getting bored and 2. move away and do something else and 3. play with an alt.

I almost agree with this statement right here.

I agree it's not victory for the harasser (who may or may not see it that way), but it doesn't discourage future behavior either. In fact, it encourages it (for those harassers who really do get satisfaction from driving someone from the game.)

The idea that someone who is doing something like this will now suddenly stop doing it because you vacate the premises is beyond wrong and wrongheaded. (And was very clearly disproven when Neville Chamberlain announced "Peace in our time." Yeah, Neville, that little piece of paper stopped the N@zi's, didn't it?)

Walking away solves nothing. But you know who I agree with? @Hope499, that's who. I agree I want to solve the problem myself. I do. I want Zenimax to give me the power to deal with these issues right there. Let me duel them. Let me call my guild mates to duel them. Problematic? You bet it is, but you bet Mr. Harasser will find another place to play very, very fast.

You can call it pride if you want. I call self-defense, and sweet pea, it doesn't include walking away.

The problem with your approach is, you got involved and showed to the harrasser, that it had an effect on you and hurt you. You gave him satisfaction, and that is plain wrong. Refusal to give him this satisfaction by just boring him to death is better.

I respectfully disagree. I personally hate the "don't give them the satisfaction" argument. My reasons why are my own.

But yes, this is a game and walking away certain ends the situation. It's done. And, honestly, I probably would have probably blocked the player and logged off. Done, problem solved.

Yet, I still disagree. I don't think that every harasser feels the same motivations. Sure, some may be disappointed. But I sincerely doubt they'll suddenly change their behavior. I would suspect they would move on to the next person. And others may see it as an accomplishment that they drove a player from the game.

Lysette · January 2016

IrishGirlGamer wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

IrishGirlGamer wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

BabeestorGor wrote: »

Hope499 wrote: »

istateres wrote: »

Hope499 wrote: »

Nilmot wrote: »

Run to nearest wayshrine, which are within a minute or 2 from basically everywhere, and port to anywhere else. Do your banking, selling, repairing, then go back. Pram solved.

Cant do that, they wont have a reason to get upset then...cmon now.

You are the problem, not the solution. Suggesting the solution is to leave, IS feeding the troll. ==

What?

No, its not. it is solving the problem yourself, without making a mountain out of a mole hill.

If it bothers YOU, then YOU solve it.

What is with this generation of hand holders? Got a problem that you can SOLVE YOURSELF? (and yes, all these people have the means to solve it themselves) then put on your big boy/girl pants and DO IT.

But no...lets blame ZOS....so crazy and immature....

Sorry, but "I" am the problem? Could not disagree with you more, but to each their own.

How do you suggest we solve it?
Leave the area is a victory for the harrasser
Ignoring them doesn't work very well if they are interfering with what you're trying to do
Being abusive back to them or naming and shaming aren't options, they just risk the victim being the one who gets banned
The only solution open to us is report the matter to ZOS and hope they take action

Leaving the area is not a victory for them - this just looks like this for you, but in fact their goal is not reached. They want to annoy you, it is up to you to not get annoyed but just avoid them - and there are plenty of ways to do that. Three of those are 1. wait and do nothing and watch them getting bored and 2. move away and do something else and 3. play with an alt.

I almost agree with this statement right here.

I agree it's not victory for the harasser (who may or may not see it that way), but it doesn't discourage future behavior either. In fact, it encourages it (for those harassers who really do get satisfaction from driving someone from the game.)

The idea that someone who is doing something like this will now suddenly stop doing it because you vacate the premises is beyond wrong and wrongheaded. (And was very clearly disproven when Neville Chamberlain announced "Peace in our time." Yeah, Neville, that little piece of paper stopped the N@zi's, didn't it?)

Walking away solves nothing. But you know who I agree with? @Hope499, that's who. I agree I want to solve the problem myself. I do. I want Zenimax to give me the power to deal with these issues right there. Let me duel them. Let me call my guild mates to duel them. Problematic? You bet it is, but you bet Mr. Harasser will find another place to play very, very fast.

You can call it pride if you want. I call self-defense, and sweet pea, it doesn't include walking away.

The problem with your approach is, you got involved and showed to the harrasser, that it had an effect on you and hurt you. You gave him satisfaction, and that is plain wrong. Refusal to give him this satisfaction by just boring him to death is better.

I respectfully disagree. I personally hate the "don't give them the satisfaction" argument. My reasons why are my own.

But yes, this is a game and walking away certain ends the situation. It's done. And, honestly, I probably would have probably blocked the player and logged off. Done, problem solved.

Yet, I still disagree. I don't think that every harasser feels the same motivations. Sure, some may be disappointed. But I sincerely doubt they'll suddenly change their behavior. I would suspect they would move on to the next person. And others may see it as an accomplishment that they drove a player from the game.

That is correct, they won't change and nothing will make them change, because these guys have issues on a psychological level. No punishment will make them change, that is why it is best to avoid them instead to fight them.

And I agree as well, that the best way would be if ZOS would just make it possible that we can ignore them visually as well.

Samsayia · January 2016

A working Ignore function would deal with a lot of this, but I have a feeling ZoS coded themselves into a corner. The best solution would a simple, working ignore function that makes the player disappear to you, and you disappear to them. In other words putting you in a separate instance from them. That way they couldn't eff with your questing, couldn't eff with your anything after that really. They'd be entirely on another planet from you, and if you can imagine enough people /ignored them, they would find themselves in a very lonely online world. Deuces, if you know what I mean. They wanna be an ass they can play the game by themselves for all you have to care.

But, I can't even begin to go over coding-wise and logistics-wise how problematic that would become. You'd think it would be simple, but it's very much not so due to PvP/Cyrodiil/Alliances.

Would it help? Damn, I think it'd solve a lot of issues if you could make harassing players just poof with an ignore function. All the power to shut their bitching stint down is in your hands at no cost to you. Reporting a player isn't ever going to help because ZoS Devs will never have the man power to police the game and its unrealistic to think they're gonna start policing. You should report the player anyway for documentations sake. All harassment issues need a working self-policing mechanics like a strong ignore function. Kinda like how the fact that no one shares loots in this game solves ninja-looting problems. Stuff like that.

But TLDR, ignore function putting the harassing player in a separate instance from you would be great, but would coding/logistics-wise cause more problems than it would solve.

sekhem · January 2016

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Yes they have an answer for everything it seems.

Samsayia wrote: »

A working Ignore function would deal with a lot of this, but I have a feeling ZoS coded themselves into a corner. The best solution would a simple, working ignore function that makes the player disappear to you, and you disappear to them. In other words putting you in a separate instance from them. That way they couldn't eff with your questing, couldn't eff with your anything after that really. They'd be entirely on another planet from you, and if you can imagine enough people /ignored them, they would find themselves in a very lonely online world. Deuces, if you know what I mean. They wanna be an ass they can play the game by themselves for all you have to care.

But, I can't even begin to go over coding-wise and logistics-wise how problematic that would become. You'd think it would be simple, but it's very much not so due to PvP/Cyrodiil/Alliances.

Would it help? Damn, I think it'd solve a lot of issues if you could make harassing players just poof with an ignore function. All the power to shut their bitching stint down is in your hands at no cost to you. Reporting a player isn't ever going to help because ZoS Devs will never have the man power to police the game and its unrealistic to think they're gonna start policing. You should report the player anyway for documentations sake. All harassment issues need a working self-policing mechanics like a strong ignore function. Kinda like how the fact that no one shares loots in this game solves ninja-looting problems. Stuff like that.

But TLDR, ignore function putting the harassing player in a separate instance from you would be great, but would coding/logistics-wise cause more problems than it would solve.

Actually why couldnt they have a "change instance" feature. They already essentially do. When I first grouped up with someone the game told me I was in a different version of Glenumbra and asked if I wanted to travel to player. That is asking me if I want to go to a specific instance. So why would it be hard to have a "report player and change instance" function?

Heck if they are worried about people making the game unstable by flip flopping thru instances they can make it soley part of the report player function, ie you report someone then the game asks if you want to change instances.

Moderator Note: Edited to remove moderated content

Kalebron · January 2016

Maybe the guy had Toon Rage instead of "road rage" lol. You took his node or herb or log.