Hundings Rage (crafted items in general) need a nerf

DRXHarbinger · January 2016

Lol op how about you actually take the time to get these dripped sets. Briarheart is epic compared to hundings. Briarheart plus Kena set + thief stone = Maelstrom winner. Essence thief is pretty cool but depends on build. You also forgot shock master. My current set awaiting mephala helm. The two combined will make a beast set when procd. It's not all about all out damage. I get people stack it with night mother but there are other sets that win hands down. Briarheart for the people that actually have a V16 set will know it's pretty damn epic for a dual handed tornado spammer. You'll come out of most large mobs on your own no matter what.

Callous2208 · January 2016

Kelleton wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

This guy doesn't have a clue, there's nothing left to argue. Hey, @Kelleton, what server do you play on? If you're on PC/NA, I'll hook you up with some good gear, I help newbies all the time. When you get your character to Vet ranks, holler at me again and I'll make you some more. When you get v16 though, you may want to consider mixing some crafted with dropped shoulders/helm depending on your build.

reported for personal attack..however arguing that monster sets in combo with hundings making higher dps than 9 pieces of hundings is a dumb argument. 5 piece hundings outperforms the sets I listed which are infinitely harder to get in the traits you want.

Sigh. This is it then. That's the last statement you'll need to make. 9 pieces of hunding's friend? Monster set combo is no good eh? I didn't attack you, I saw you were new and confused and offered you assistance. But I'm sure by the time I click enter on this, my posts will be deleted and forgotten.

Avezack · January 2016

strikeback1247 · January 2016

By the way guys, why would anyone craft if you can get the best gear in dungeons? I like the system right now. Good crafted gear that can be available to everyone and special sets that drop from dungeons and other pve content. Also monster sets. Remember that there are many players that rather pvp than endlessly grind pve content. I don't see why eso should become like all the other mmo's by giving hardcore pve players the best gear and letting crafting just die. Trials are way too easy anyway.

Korah_Eaglecry · January 2016

Kelleton wrote: »

ontheleftcoast wrote: »

Kelleton wrote: »

ontheleftcoast wrote: »

Congratulations!

You have posted the most poorly thought out thread of the day. Your prize -- derision, laughter, and mockery.

It takes considerable effort to get crafters for things like 8-trait gear. And you think the reward for that should be a slap in the face? WTAF?! What the ACTUAL f#@k kind of logic is that? Punish players who play and work to achieve something over those that win the RNG lottery?

I have the most poorly thought out post with the actual stats vs incorrectly posting how many traits are needed for the gear?

You sir win the internet,

Thanks, but I don't suffer from reading comprehension failure. You noted that ALL crafted sets should be nerfed, including 8 and 9 trait sets. So I responded to that obviously poorly thought out argument.

Hundings being the focus of the discussion,,

Francescolg wrote: »

Pssst, do not tell the TE, but I think there might be better ways (top secret) to achieve max weapon dmg, instead of wearing "the hunding's rage" set.

Pssst

Noone said anything about max weapon damaghe

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Im willing to bet this guy has a drop that looks pretty but doesnt have great stats. So instead of asking for a buff he thinks everyone else should suffer along with him.

I bet this guy cant finish a dungeon so he wants everything handed to him

Whats the matter none of the crafters you know like you enough to make you something worth while equipping?

Yes, hunting down the

6 Traits for Axes
6 Traits for Maces
6 Traits for Swords
6 Traits for Battle Axes
6 Traits for Mauls
6 Traits for Greatswords
6 Traits for Daggers

6 Traits for Cuirass
6 Traits for Sabatons
6 Traits for Gauntlets
6 Traits for Helms
6 Traits for Greaves
6 Traits for Pauldrons
6 Traits for Girdles

6 Traits for Robes
6 Traits for Shoes
6 Traits for Gloves
6 Traits for Hats
6 Traits for Breeches
6 Traits for Epaulets
6 Traits for Sash
6 Traits for Jacks
6 Traits for Boots
6 Traits for Bracers
6 Traits for Helmet
6 Traits for Guards
6 Traits for Arm Cops
6 Traits for Belt

6 Traits for Shields
6 Traits for Bow
6 Traits for Flame Staff
6 Traits for Lightning Staff
6 Traits for Ice Staff
6 Traits for Restoration Staff

Thats me being entitled and wanting something handed to me. I mean, and thats just to actually unlock the set. Who knows if youll actually have traits that are worth equipping or will help with the build at all.

With only a maximum of 3 items being researched at a time. And even with every one of those spread across alts. Youre still looking at quite a few weeks of research. If youre doing it on one character or have multiple crafting going on one character its going to be longer.

But sure. Im the one that expects something handed to me. Not the tough guy asking for nerfs so his pretty little shiny doesnt just sit in his bag.

NoMoreChillies · January 2016

Hundings + Briarheart = awesome

Callous2208 · January 2016

strikeback1247 wrote: »

By the way guys, why would anyone craft if you can get the best gear in dungeons? I like the system right now. Good crafted gear that can be available to everyone and special sets that drop from dungeons and other pve content. Also monster sets. Remember that there are many players that rather pvp than endlessly grind pve content. I don't see why eso should become like all the other mmo's by giving hardcore pve players the best gear and letting crafting just die. Trials are way too easy anyway.

This is what ESO was striving for. Yet it would seem some people would like to have more of the same ol same ol. Can't please em all I guess.

Shardaxx · January 2016

Hundings is good and I've been using it for a while, I think the problem is that most of the other sets seem rather underpowered and the 5 item bonuses sucks, maybe they need a boost to provide some good alternatives instead of nerfing hundings.

Kelleton · January 2016

Callous2208 wrote: »

Sigh. This is it then. That's the last statement you'll need to make. 9 pieces of hunding's friend? Monster set combo is no good eh? I didn't attack you, I saw you were new and confused and offered you assistance. But I'm sure by the time I click enter on this, my posts will be deleted and forgotten.

Exactly - I posted the stats of the other 5 piece dropped sets vs hundings and you go on to say you are going to add 2 piece sets on top of it and increase dps - thats a stupid statement it has nothing to do with the topic. You are instead throwing out stupid claims that adding in multiple sets increases dps. Thats not the issue..the fact that hundings out performs sheer venom when sheer venom takes a much larger time investment is a major issue.

You are a troll and im sorry if you cant finish a dungeon, but crafting items should not negate any reward for those of us who can.

leepalmer95 · January 2016

Having decent craftable sets in the game is one of the one things i like about it.

Theres already enough rng trolling in this game, i'd have to have to grind and pray everytime i make a new character.

Besides this makes it easier for new or casual players to get acceptable gear without grinding a dungeon for days.

If you pc 6 trait may not seem like much but in order to get 5x thats at least 7days x 5 = 35 days because of just getting from 5 trait to 6, thats not including 1 trait - 5 trait. Still takes a bit of time and the research can be considered a grind if you so wish.

Kelleton · January 2016

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Kelleton wrote: »

ontheleftcoast wrote: »

Kelleton wrote: »

ontheleftcoast wrote: »

Congratulations!

You have posted the most poorly thought out thread of the day. Your prize -- derision, laughter, and mockery.

It takes considerable effort to get crafters for things like 8-trait gear. And you think the reward for that should be a slap in the face? WTAF?! What the ACTUAL f#@k kind of logic is that? Punish players who play and work to achieve something over those that win the RNG lottery?

I have the most poorly thought out post with the actual stats vs incorrectly posting how many traits are needed for the gear?

You sir win the internet,

Thanks, but I don't suffer from reading comprehension failure. You noted that ALL crafted sets should be nerfed, including 8 and 9 trait sets. So I responded to that obviously poorly thought out argument.

Hundings being the focus of the discussion,,

Francescolg wrote: »

Pssst, do not tell the TE, but I think there might be better ways (top secret) to achieve max weapon dmg, instead of wearing "the hunding's rage" set.

Pssst

Noone said anything about max weapon damaghe

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Im willing to bet this guy has a drop that looks pretty but doesnt have great stats. So instead of asking for a buff he thinks everyone else should suffer along with him.

I bet this guy cant finish a dungeon so he wants everything handed to him

Whats the matter none of the crafters you know like you enough to make you something worth while equipping?

Yes, hunting down the

6 Traits for Axes
6 Traits for Maces
6 Traits for Swords
6 Traits for Battle Axes
6 Traits for Mauls
6 Traits for Greatswords
6 Traits for Daggers

6 Traits for Cuirass
6 Traits for Sabatons
6 Traits for Gauntlets
6 Traits for Helms
6 Traits for Greaves
6 Traits for Pauldrons
6 Traits for Girdles

6 Traits for Robes
6 Traits for Shoes
6 Traits for Gloves
6 Traits for Hats
6 Traits for Breeches
6 Traits for Epaulets
6 Traits for Sash
6 Traits for Jacks
6 Traits for Boots
6 Traits for Bracers
6 Traits for Helmet
6 Traits for Guards
6 Traits for Arm Cops
6 Traits for Belt

6 Traits for Shields
6 Traits for Bow
6 Traits for Flame Staff
6 Traits for Lightning Staff
6 Traits for Ice Staff
6 Traits for Restoration Staff

Thats me being entitled and wanting something handed to me. I mean, and thats just to actually unlock the set. Who knows if youll actually have traits that are worth equipping or will help with the build at all.

With only a maximum of 3 items being researched at a time. And even with every one of those spread across alts. Youre still looking at quite a few weeks of research. If youre doing it on one character or have multiple crafting going on one character its going to be longer.

But sure. Im the one that expects something handed to me. Not the tough guy asking for nerfs so his pretty little shiny doesnt just sit in his bag.

work done 2 years ago should not equal best 5 piece set now..you are also reported for personal attack

Iyas · January 2016

Hope its a troll post

And hell no

leepalmer95 · January 2016

Kelleton wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Kelleton wrote: »

ontheleftcoast wrote: »

Kelleton wrote: »

ontheleftcoast wrote: »

Congratulations!

You have posted the most poorly thought out thread of the day. Your prize -- derision, laughter, and mockery.

It takes considerable effort to get crafters for things like 8-trait gear. And you think the reward for that should be a slap in the face? WTAF?! What the ACTUAL f#@k kind of logic is that? Punish players who play and work to achieve something over those that win the RNG lottery?

I have the most poorly thought out post with the actual stats vs incorrectly posting how many traits are needed for the gear?

You sir win the internet,

Thanks, but I don't suffer from reading comprehension failure. You noted that ALL crafted sets should be nerfed, including 8 and 9 trait sets. So I responded to that obviously poorly thought out argument.

Hundings being the focus of the discussion,,

Francescolg wrote: »

Pssst, do not tell the TE, but I think there might be better ways (top secret) to achieve max weapon dmg, instead of wearing "the hunding's rage" set.

Pssst

Noone said anything about max weapon damaghe

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Im willing to bet this guy has a drop that looks pretty but doesnt have great stats. So instead of asking for a buff he thinks everyone else should suffer along with him.

I bet this guy cant finish a dungeon so he wants everything handed to him

Whats the matter none of the crafters you know like you enough to make you something worth while equipping?

Yes, hunting down the

6 Traits for Axes
6 Traits for Maces
6 Traits for Swords
6 Traits for Battle Axes
6 Traits for Mauls
6 Traits for Greatswords
6 Traits for Daggers

6 Traits for Cuirass
6 Traits for Sabatons
6 Traits for Gauntlets
6 Traits for Helms
6 Traits for Greaves
6 Traits for Pauldrons
6 Traits for Girdles

6 Traits for Robes
6 Traits for Shoes
6 Traits for Gloves
6 Traits for Hats
6 Traits for Breeches
6 Traits for Epaulets
6 Traits for Sash
6 Traits for Jacks
6 Traits for Boots
6 Traits for Bracers
6 Traits for Helmet
6 Traits for Guards
6 Traits for Arm Cops
6 Traits for Belt

6 Traits for Shields
6 Traits for Bow
6 Traits for Flame Staff
6 Traits for Lightning Staff
6 Traits for Ice Staff
6 Traits for Restoration Staff

Thats me being entitled and wanting something handed to me. I mean, and thats just to actually unlock the set. Who knows if youll actually have traits that are worth equipping or will help with the build at all.

With only a maximum of 3 items being researched at a time. And even with every one of those spread across alts. Youre still looking at quite a few weeks of research. If youre doing it on one character or have multiple crafting going on one character its going to be longer.

But sure. Im the one that expects something handed to me. Not the tough guy asking for nerfs so his pretty little shiny doesnt just sit in his bag.

work done 2 years ago should not equal best 5 piece set now..you are also reported for personal attack

2 years seems like the biggest grind out there. So your not ok with 8/9 trait gear being good?

Despite it taking at least 6 months to get 5 pieces?

strikeback1247 · January 2016

Kelleton wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

Sigh. This is it then. That's the last statement you'll need to make. 9 pieces of hunding's friend? Monster set combo is no good eh? I didn't attack you, I saw you were new and confused and offered you assistance. But I'm sure by the time I click enter on this, my posts will be deleted and forgotten.

Exactly - I posted the stats of the other 5 piece dropped sets vs hundings and you go on to say you are going to add 2 piece sets on top of it and increase dps - thats a stupid statement it has nothing to do with the topic. You are instead throwing out stupid claims that adding in multiple sets increases dps. Thats not the issue..the fact that hundings out performs sheer venom when sheer venom takes a much larger time investment is a major issue.

You are a troll and im sorry if you cant finish a dungeon, but crafting items should not negate any reward for those of us who can.

Everyone has told you that briarheart is better than hunding's and you still keep saying that hunding's is the best set. And he is the one throwing out stupid claims? Go back to WoW or something. Don't let eso become a copy of all the other mmo's.

Callous2208 · January 2016

Kelleton wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

Sigh. This is it then. That's the last statement you'll need to make. 9 pieces of hunding's friend? Monster set combo is no good eh? I didn't attack you, I saw you were new and confused and offered you assistance. But I'm sure by the time I click enter on this, my posts will be deleted and forgotten.

Exactly - I posted the stats of the other 5 piece dropped sets vs hundings and you go on to say you are going to add 2 piece sets on top of it and increase dps - thats a stupid statement it has nothing to do with the topic. You are instead throwing out stupid claims that adding in multiple sets increases dps. Thats not the issue..the fact that hundings out performs sheer venom when sheer venom takes a much larger time investment is a major issue.

You are a troll and im sorry if you cant finish a dungeon, but crafting items should not negate any reward for those of us who can.

Ouch, reported for personal attack against me and name calling. See, it works both ways. I'm very good at dungeons thank you very much. Plus I can just..you know..craft the other good stuff I want. How does this make you feel? Why are you so hung up on one set, I ask again. Is this entire thread your tantrum because someone is equally geared with you and doesn't grind dungeons as much? Come on man.

p.s. Most of your other thread/comments are about how the game is dead or you are quitting again sooo...can't really take you serious can we.

Kelleton · January 2016

strikeback1247 wrote: »

By the way guys, why would anyone craft if you can get the best gear in dungeons? I like the system right now. Good crafted gear that can be available to everyone and special sets that drop from dungeons and other pve content. Also monster sets. Remember that there are many players that rather pvp than endlessly grind pve content. I don't see why eso should become like all the other mmo's by giving hardcore pve players the best gear and letting crafting just die. Trials are way too easy anyway.

I didn't say pvp shouldn't also have better gear you are adding that in...best gear should be from playing the game and investing in something...not an instantaneous oh look level cap is raised..good thing I have hundings rage instantly cause its still better than the other 5 piece sets.

acw37162 · January 2016

Because they spend a lot more time thinking about everyone and a lot less time thinking end game stamina DPS as obesively as you.

A great majority of the game population is not end game dungeon crawlers and zoos dies a pretty decent job of giving new players a fun experience as well as crafters.

Lest you remember when Ravenger Shadow Walker was all the rage.

Calmate, it's change again when PVP gear gets updated next patch and Ravenger Briar for the win.

Could also do with praying to RNJesus sucks as he/she/it doesn't listen

Note to self I really need to avoid these type of threads, this type of thought process is one of the things that routinely saps my enjoyment of the game

Mojmir · January 2016

how is this a 3 pages discussion? lol

Pangnirtung · January 2016

Kelleton wrote: »

Why is the most powerful stam dps set in the game a crafted item rather than a dungeon/raid drop.

Look at the alternatives:
Sheer venom - lose 1376 crit; lose 39 weapon damage - gain a 1204 dps proc
Briarheart- lose 297 permanent weapon damage - gain proc on 10% of critical hits 152 weapon damage. + heal guaranteed downtime due to cooldown.
Essence Theif - lose 1376 crit, ; lose 168 weapon damage; gain proc off 15% of light attacks to gain 12% damage (sounds like a lot but it isn't due to buff stacking issues)

A set that takes 0 effort to obtain and allows you to set the traits 100% to your liking, beats out sets that take 100s of hours to obtain maybe 1000s due to RNG.

There is no risk vs reward here crafted items should not be best in slot.

Because crafting is supposed to matter. That was stated many times before the game went live.

Callous2208 · January 2016

Kelleton wrote: »

strikeback1247 wrote: »

By the way guys, why would anyone craft if you can get the best gear in dungeons? I like the system right now. Good crafted gear that can be available to everyone and special sets that drop from dungeons and other pve content. Also monster sets. Remember that there are many players that rather pvp than endlessly grind pve content. I don't see why eso should become like all the other mmo's by giving hardcore pve players the best gear and letting crafting just die. Trials are way too easy anyway.

I didn't say pvp shouldn't also have better gear you are adding that in...best gear should be from playing the game and investing in something...not an instantaneous oh look level cap is raised..good thing I have hundings rage instantly cause its still better than the other 5 piece sets.

So in your opinion, as stated in the above post, crafting and all that comes along with it is not playing the game. Reported for insanity!

Cervanteseric85ub17_ESO · January 2016

Kelleton wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

Function wrote: »

I actually agree, I think it is dumb that BiS gear can be crafted. Crafted gear should be good but definitely not the best.. the best gear should be obtained through trials and dungeons.

Although they do need to change the RNG system. Or add a supplement to it, such as all set items when deconned give a "fragment" and so many fragments will equal a token that allows you to craft a peice of that set with whatever trait you want.

Why not a mix of both? You know, how everyone is running around right now in game. Options my friend, options keep the people happy and playing.

Crafted sets should be the quick easy sets (which it is) that you wear to go into the dungeons/trails/pvp to obtain the best in slot. Not the quick easy bis item to wear since game has been in beta,

Why should crafted sets be the quick easy sets ? Because that's what you want / are used too ? Have you never played an ES game before ? What about PVPers ? Why should they be forced to run dungeons endlessly to participate in the PVP they bought the game for, all because you feel entitled to have BIS gear only in PVE. So get that nonsense outta here , if you really did the research you would know best is slot is a mix of hundings and another PVE set.

TLDR : PVP lives matter

ShadowHvo · January 2016

pronkg · January 2016

Hundings rage is the ESO stamina starters kit!

Kelleton · January 2016

Cervanteseric85ub17_ESO wrote: »

Why should crafted sets be the quick easy sets ? Because that's what you want / are used too ?

What about PVPers ? Why should they be forced to run dungeons endlessly to participate in the PVP they bought the game for, all because you feel entitled to have BIS gear only in PVE. So get that nonsense outta here , if you really did the research you would know best is slot is a mix of hundings and another PVE set.

TLDR : PVP lives matter

They shouldn't - pvp gear earned in cyrodil should have bonuses that perform well in pvp...pve gear earned in dungeons/trials should have bonuses perform well in pve...all of which should be superior to crafted. You should also be able to cross breed the sets... but all is inferior to crafted right now because crafted at this point takes 0 time investment. Back on day 1 yes crafted armor was rare..but this isn't day 1..everyone and their alts can create Kags or hundings or whatever you want...because that work was all done 2 years ago.

jcasini222ub17_ESO · January 2016

These threads happen because we don't have a lol button.

Zorrashi · January 2016

Crafting should remain relevant and viable. I'm so tired games where decent gear is only obtained by participating in grinding dungeons.
Crafting is a legitimate part of the game too, and I'm glad ESO treats it that way.

Kelleton · January 2016

ShadowHvo wrote: »

Eso has a good crafting system? Havnt played many games I take it...

Iyas · January 2016

Kelleton wrote: »

Cervanteseric85ub17_ESO wrote: »

Why should crafted sets be the quick easy sets ? Because that's what you want / are used too ?

What about PVPers ? Why should they be forced to run dungeons endlessly to participate in the PVP they bought the game for, all because you feel entitled to have BIS gear only in PVE. So get that nonsense outta here , if you really did the research you would know best is slot is a mix of hundings and another PVE set.

TLDR : PVP lives matter

They shouldn't - pvp gear earned in cyrodil should have bonuses that perform well in pvp...pve gear earned in dungeons/trials should have bonuses perform well in pve...all of which should be superior to crafted. You should also be able to cross breed the sets... but all is inferior to crafted right now because crafted at this point takes 0 time investment. Back on day 1 yes crafted armor was rare..but this isn't day 1..everyone and their alts can create Kags or hundings or whatever you want...because that work was all done 2 years ago.

Dont be so salty, if youre on EU, i can craft you something...

Im kidding. I wont, this would be a little bit hypocrite

Troneon · January 2016

Crafters have already been shafted a zillion times already...

Farorin · January 2016

Why is it that whenever something is good, everyone wants to nerf it? Shouldn't we instead be asking for more good things thus giving us a chance at variety and diversity, instead of to nerf everything, thus further strengthening the already entrenched metas?