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Rich Lambert didnt know basic ESO client things?
Unassailable
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or its just a PR of a next DLC
quote:
Interviews: More on the Thieves Guild DLC with Rich Lambert
facts:
http://www.esoui.com/forums/showpost.php?p=23960&postcount=6
I checked eso.exe and it does have the flag(to use more that 2gb memory)
Characteristics 0x122
executable
large address aware
32 bit words
oh and btw, I'm playing on linux and eso.exe happily consumes 3.5GB of memory, at which point it freezes. So yes, it definitely knows how to use 3GB
answer from @ZOS_RichLambert welcome here!
quote:
Interviews: More on the Thieves Guild DLC with Rich Lambert
RL: Players will see some pretty significant stability improvements (i.e. – less crashing or stuttering) as well as overall performance improvements as the 64-bit client will be able to take advantage of larger memory pools.
facts:
http://www.esoui.com/forums/showpost.php?p=23960&postcount=6
I checked eso.exe and it does have the flag(to use more that 2gb memory)
Characteristics 0x122
executable
large address aware
32 bit words
oh and btw, I'm playing on linux and eso.exe happily consumes 3.5GB of memory, at which point it freezes. So yes, it definitely knows how to use 3GB
answer from @ZOS_RichLambert welcome here!
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Dominoid✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Yes a 32-bit program with /LARGEADDRESSAWARE:YES can use up to 4 gigs MAX on a 64-bit system (3 gigs on a 32-bit OS). A 64-bit program using Dynamic Data has access to up to 8 Terabytes of memory. You know as in "able to take advantage of larger memory pools."
Edited by Dominoid on January 25, 2016 5:29PM27 -
Unassailable✭✭✭and in which circumstances ESO can use more than 4gb ram?
i think its impossible in current engine state1 -
Nestor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Unassailable wrote: »and in which circumstances ESO can use more than 4gb ram?
i think its impossible in current engine state
It's impossible to address more than 4GB of memory in a 32 bit program, the address space does not exist. The reason for the Large Address Aware flag is typically programs are limited to 2GB of memory as Windows can "reserve" parts or most of the remaining 2GB of space so most programmers would limit the program to only using 2GB total address space.Enjoy the game, life is what you really want to be worried about.
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Reorx_Holybeard✭✭✭✭✭Unassailable wrote: »and in which circumstances ESO can use more than 4gb ram?
i think its impossible in current engine state
The game install is around 50GB compressed and works out to around 200GB uncompressed. While a lot of that is graphics models/textures that don't need to be in RAM (I assume) it leaves more than enough to exceed 4GB. It also lets you use more mods and increase the Lua memory limit...I've already set mine to 500MB due to some issues with mods.
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Woeler✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Besides this being an absurdly way too simple "explanation" of what 64-bit actually is. A 64-bit client will be able to take advantage of large memory pools. It is a completely valid statement, in fact is is the major reason why this sub-architecture was developed.
A 32-bit process can maximally address 2^32 memory addresses, being 4Gb. A 64-bit process can address 2^64 memory addresses, being a lot. You can see the lane between the processor and the RAM as a road. Increasing from 32bit to 64bit will not necessary increase the speed limit of that road, but it will add a lot of extra lanes to that road allowing more data to flow.
What @ZOS_RichLambert said is totally valid.3 -
code65536✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Um, he didn't say "more than 2GB". He said "larger". And I would be happy if ESO didn't crash when it pushed too close to 4GB.Nightfighters ― PC/NA and PC/EU
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- Maelstrom Arena: 600526 (NA)
- Blackrose Prison: 99274 (EU) (Unchained)
- Maw of Lorkhaj: 165227 (EU)
- Halls of Fabrication: 220708 (NA) (Tick-Tock Tormentor #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10, #11, #12)
- Asylum Sanctorium: 114957 (NA) (Immortal Redeemer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10)
- Cloudrest: 131256 (NA) (Gryphon Heart #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
- Sunspire: 250866 (EU) (Godslayer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
- Kyne's Aegis: 235841 (EU) (Dawnbringer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8)
Dungeon trifectas:- Mountain God and Leave No Bone Unbroken
- Apex Predator and Pure Lunacy
- Depths Defier and Relentless Raider
- Defanged the Devourer and Nature's Wrath
- In Defiance of Death and No Rest for the Wicked
- Bane of Thorns and True Genius
- Ardent Bibliophile and Subterranean Smasher
- Battlespire's Best and Bastion Breaker
- Zero Regrets and Land, Air, and Sea Supremacy
- Fist of Tava and Invader's Bane
- Curator's Champion (Valinna) and Temporal Tempest
- Unshakeable Fervor and Lighting the Embers
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IcyDeadPeople✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Unassailable wrote: »and in which circumstances ESO can use more than 4gb ram?
i think its impossible in current engine state
It's impossible to address more than 4GB of memory in a 32 bit program, the address space does not exist. The reason for the Large Address Aware flag is typically programs are limited to 2GB of memory as Windows can "reserve" parts or most of the remaining 2GB of space so most programmers would limit the program to only using 2GB total address space.
Any thoughts on whether updating to 64-bit client will improve performance in Cyrodiil a bit for crappy PC with 16GB RAM?Edited by IcyDeadPeople on January 25, 2016 6:53PM0 -
Woeler✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭IcyDeadPeople wrote: »Unassailable wrote: »and in which circumstances ESO can use more than 4gb ram?
i think its impossible in current engine state
It's impossible to address more than 4GB of memory in a 32 bit program, the address space does not exist. The reason for the Large Address Aware flag is typically programs are limited to 2GB of memory as Windows can "reserve" parts or most of the remaining 2GB of space so most programmers would limit the program to only using 2GB total address space.
Any thoughts on whether updating to 64-bit client will improve performance in Cyrodiil a bit for crappy PC with 16GB RAM?
Frames -> maybe
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code65536✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Unassailable wrote: »and in which circumstances ESO can use more than 4gb ram?
i think its impossible in current engine state
It's impossible to address more than 4GB of memory in a 32 bit program, the address space does not exist. The reason for the Large Address Aware flag is typically programs are limited to 2GB of memory as Windows can "reserve" parts or most of the remaining 2GB of space so most programmers would limit the program to only using 2GB total address space.
The flag is a compatibility mechanism, as back in 90's, the upper 2GB of address space was reserved, which led to some programs taking a lazy shortcut and checking just the topmost bit of a memory address to see if it's valid. So by default, Windows won't allocate anything in the address space above the 2GB address space line unless the program signaled to Windows, "Hey, I don't do anything stupid like that". And most programs don't do anything stupid like that, whether or not they have the flag set, which is why you can manually set that flag on many programs, if the devs didn't bother to set it themselves. With that flag set, a 32-bit program on 32-bit Windows can receive allocations up to the 3GB line, and on 64-bit Windows, up to the full 4GB (minus reservations here and there for mappings and other stuff).Nightfighters ― PC/NA and PC/EU
Dungeons and Trials:Personal best scores:- Dragonstar Arena: 46817 (NA)
- Maelstrom Arena: 600526 (NA)
- Blackrose Prison: 99274 (EU) (Unchained)
- Maw of Lorkhaj: 165227 (EU)
- Halls of Fabrication: 220708 (NA) (Tick-Tock Tormentor #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10, #11, #12)
- Asylum Sanctorium: 114957 (NA) (Immortal Redeemer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10)
- Cloudrest: 131256 (NA) (Gryphon Heart #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
- Sunspire: 250866 (EU) (Godslayer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
- Kyne's Aegis: 235841 (EU) (Dawnbringer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8)
Dungeon trifectas:- Mountain God and Leave No Bone Unbroken
- Apex Predator and Pure Lunacy
- Depths Defier and Relentless Raider
- Defanged the Devourer and Nature's Wrath
- In Defiance of Death and No Rest for the Wicked
- Bane of Thorns and True Genius
- Ardent Bibliophile and Subterranean Smasher
- Battlespire's Best and Bastion Breaker
- Zero Regrets and Land, Air, and Sea Supremacy
- Fist of Tava and Invader's Bane
- Curator's Champion (Valinna) and Temporal Tempest
- Unshakeable Fervor and Lighting the Embers
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WalkingLegacy✭✭✭✭✭
✭Lambert is a game designer, not a hardware engineer. That being said a director should still know these things about their game.0 -
code65536✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭WalkingLegacy wrote: »Lambert is a game designer, not a hardware engineer. That being said a director should still know these things about their game.
Um, the OP of this thread is a gamer, not a programmer. The OP has no idea what he's talking about, and Lambert's statement is actually quite accurate.
The OP appears to think that the game being able to receive allocations up to the full 4GB line instead of being stuck at 2GB qualifies as "larger" memory pools when the real issue at stake is being able to break that 4GB limitation and use whatever memory your gaming system has at its disposal. And so Lambert is correct, and the OP is the one who is mistaken.Edited by code65536 on January 25, 2016 7:03PMNightfighters ― PC/NA and PC/EU
Dungeons and Trials:Personal best scores:- Dragonstar Arena: 46817 (NA)
- Maelstrom Arena: 600526 (NA)
- Blackrose Prison: 99274 (EU) (Unchained)
- Maw of Lorkhaj: 165227 (EU)
- Halls of Fabrication: 220708 (NA) (Tick-Tock Tormentor #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10, #11, #12)
- Asylum Sanctorium: 114957 (NA) (Immortal Redeemer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10)
- Cloudrest: 131256 (NA) (Gryphon Heart #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
- Sunspire: 250866 (EU) (Godslayer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
- Kyne's Aegis: 235841 (EU) (Dawnbringer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8)
Dungeon trifectas:- Mountain God and Leave No Bone Unbroken
- Apex Predator and Pure Lunacy
- Depths Defier and Relentless Raider
- Defanged the Devourer and Nature's Wrath
- In Defiance of Death and No Rest for the Wicked
- Bane of Thorns and True Genius
- Ardent Bibliophile and Subterranean Smasher
- Battlespire's Best and Bastion Breaker
- Zero Regrets and Land, Air, and Sea Supremacy
- Fist of Tava and Invader's Bane
- Curator's Champion (Valinna) and Temporal Tempest
- Unshakeable Fervor and Lighting the Embers
Extended Journal Add-Ons: Item Set Browser ― Loot Log ― Character Knowledge ― Collectibles Tracker ― RaidificatorPC/Console Add-Ons: Combat Alerts ― Group Buff PanelsOther Add-Ons: Deconstruction Junk Marker ― Purge Tracker ― Asylum Status Panel ― Smart Looter ― Improved Companion Rapport Information5 -
Acrolas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭64 bit just makes memory leaks slightly more tolerable on games that should learn to fix their *** memory leaks.
Where 32 bit will just give you obnoxiously laggy performance until you run out of memory, the 64 bit client could very well just crash you for a fatal content error. 64 bit is a step in the right direction, but without a pretty thorough testing of it, there can still be significant and fast-hitting performance issues.signing off1 -
danno8✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭WalkingLegacy wrote: »Lambert is a game designer, not a hardware engineer. That being said a director should still know these things about their game.
Only the OP is wrong/confused, and Lambert is correct in his statement.5 -
Göttermutter✭✭The game becomes more and more a memory kick, means the 32 bit system isnt the right part for a ram eater game, this becomes trough after some patches than the 32 bit systems goes don in their knees and land to a black screen.
Its also wrong to say, that the developpers registered that and let the hole community with 32 bit systems bleeding like sheeps, who runs against a wall.
Only one poster of this community saied the right, that the memory capicity of 32 bit systems get overbroken by the patches who needs a lot of memory space more than a 32 bit system can handle and you run atomaticly to a black screen.
This was overtaken by the support system and they say you, to check your tribers and so on, a really nonsens, like the latencyies and fps under 5 by high end computers, this is just a developpers problem, not yours!
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