Nightblade through the eyes of a Nightblade

joe.smith21b14_ESO · January 2016

leepalmer95 wrote: »

CtrlAltDlt wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

CtrlAltDlt wrote: »

Therium104 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Nb's are quite easy to play, most consists of spamming suprise/concealed.

Have you played a NB?

Yes i have played a nb? there easy.?

Easiest, no skill, spam a few button class, in the history of MMO.

LOL. In a group setting any class is easy. By this logic since they're so easy and take no skill II should be getting rekt by any NB i come accross. But it is they who end up face down on the ground. Try solo 1vX with "no skill" against competent players and tell me how it goes.

As for the "spam a few button" argument. All classes "spam" their main dps abilities. It sounds like you re just a troll who hates NBs and is talking out of your ass.

Thxbye

Just because there easy to play doesn't mean people turn into good players using them, just because the lower end players all flock to the op class instead of just improving their own gameplay.

Any half decent sorc won't spam frags.

Wb spammers spam a broken skill - exploiters

Enlighten me on how WB is broken. What are stam sorcs and dks that want to go with a 2h setup supposed to use?

I use jabs less on my templar than a nb will use SA/Concealed

Hmm congratulations? I use LA-SA bash, vigor, shadow image, poison injection etc..

Any half decent dk uses s+b and that requires LA - Ransack - Bash.

I guess LowPolicy, kodi, Sypher are scrubs when they play 2h/bow.
LA SA Bash. How is that different?

Nb's are literally just teleport strike/SA until dead, maybe throw in a soul harvest/fear to mix things up.

You mentioned 3 skills. How is that different than WB - Leap - Execute? Or a templar crit charge - jabs - execute?

Wb is clearly broken at the moment, broken cc and broken range etc... Not the mention is just OP as a skill as it it, empowered high hitting, long range, cc all in 1 button no wonder people go the 1 button wonder.

A s+b dk is actually mean't to do more dmg than a wb spamming dk, so if they actusally cared about being the strongest build or such they would go s+b however currently you have just spam wb in 3 hits and kill someone, you don't have to aim it like jabs, your next wb will actually do more dmg, your first wb will cc them so your second hits them.

Stam sorc + stam dk could try use a s+b but the fact that they don't have good stamina morphs or such does need to be addressed but it's still not stopping the fact wb is broken.

You use bash on your nb? Do you use a s+b? Not sure when then a dual wield stam nb can hit 8k SA's. No class should have the option to 1 hit someone.

Anyone whose sole dmg comes from spamming 1 button is annoying the game shouldn't reward that type of gameplay, empower shouldn't empower itself.

Nb's can easily just ambush SA and kill someone in like 3 hits, not even mentioning if they decide to heavy attack from stealth. It's easy mode.

Wb gives you more time to react with the charge time a nb can kill you before your physically able to do anything.

Nb's are easy mode currently.

I think it was ctrlaltdlt who said it but most them people you talk about are zergbads and scrubs you don't see people doin that 1v1 or 1vX yeah let me spambush this Zerg when I'm by myself it makes no sense most them nightblades that spam bush can't roll without a group cause they will die easy very squishy matter of fact it probally the most squishiest one all that one ntb would need is a det pot and game over. I do believe on the other hand all wb needs is a range fix and should be able to be bashed like back in the day that would stop the spam

Cody · January 2016

Therium104 wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Nb's are quite easy to play, most consists of spamming suprise/concealed.

Have you played a NB?

Cody wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Nb's are quite easy to play, most consists of spamming suprise/concealed.

Have you played a NB?

Have you played a NB? Lol

I have, since the beta. I have more experience with the class than most of this playerbase, even with a couple breaks from the game put in. (unless you were laughing about the guy i made that comment towards

Cody · January 2016

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Nb's are quite easy to play, most consists of spamming suprise/concealed.

Have you played a NB?

Yes i have played a nb? there easy.?

So, in PvP or PvE even, all you do with your NB is spam just surprise attack? I find that hard to believe unless you were playing very easy content or facing players new to the game or players that were not very good.

Cody · January 2016

leepalmer95 wrote: »

CtrlAltDlt wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

CtrlAltDlt wrote: »

Therium104 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Nb's are quite easy to play, most consists of spamming suprise/concealed.

Have you played a NB?

Yes i have played a nb? there easy.?

Easiest, no skill, spam a few button class, in the history of MMO.

LOL. In a group setting any class is easy. By this logic since they're so easy and take no skill II should be getting rekt by any NB i come accross. But it is they who end up face down on the ground. Try solo 1vX with "no skill" against competent players and tell me how it goes.

As for the "spam a few button" argument. All classes "spam" their main dps abilities. It sounds like you re just a troll who hates NBs and is talking out of your ass.

Thxbye

Just because there easy to play doesn't mean people turn into good players using them, just because the lower end players all flock to the op class instead of just improving their own gameplay.

Any half decent sorc won't spam frags.

Wb spammers spam a broken skill - exploiters

Enlighten me on how WB is broken. What are stam sorcs and dks that want to go with a 2h setup supposed to use?

I use jabs less on my templar than a nb will use SA/Concealed

Hmm congratulations? I use LA-SA bash, vigor, shadow image, poison injection etc..

Any half decent dk uses s+b and that requires LA - Ransack - Bash.

I guess LowPolicy, kodi, Sypher are scrubs when they play 2h/bow.
LA SA Bash. How is that different?

Nb's are literally just teleport strike/SA until dead, maybe throw in a soul harvest/fear to mix things up.

You mentioned 3 skills. How is that different than WB - Leap - Execute? Or a templar crit charge - jabs - execute?

Wb is clearly broken at the moment, broken cc and broken range etc... Not the mention is just OP as a skill as it it, empowered high hitting, long range, cc all in 1 button no wonder people go the 1 button wonder.

A s+b dk is actually mean't to do more dmg than a wb spamming dk, so if they actusally cared about being the strongest build or such they would go s+b however currently you have just spam wb in 3 hits and kill someone, you don't have to aim it like jabs, your next wb will actually do more dmg, your first wb will cc them so your second hits them.

Stam sorc + stam dk could try use a s+b but the fact that they don't have good stamina morphs or such does need to be addressed but it's still not stopping the fact wb is broken.

You use bash on your nb? Do you use a s+b? Not sure when then a dual wield stam nb can hit 8k SA's. No class should have the option to 1 hit someone.

Anyone whose sole dmg comes from spamming 1 button is annoying the game shouldn't reward that type of gameplay, empower shouldn't empower itself.

Nb's can easily just ambush SA and kill someone in like 3 hits, not even mentioning if they decide to heavy attack from stealth. It's easy mode.

Wb gives you more time to react with the charge time a nb can kill you before your physically able to do anything.

Nb's are easy mode currently.

"NBs kill me in a few hits from stealth" every class can do that. Every class is capable of picking up a bow and using snipe or picking up a 2H weapon and using uppercut and dealing immense amounts of damage from stealth. NBs do more, true, but only 10% more, that is not a game breaking difference. Nerfing NBs is not going to stop players from using stealth, it will in fact make NBs rely on it even more because their already low survivalbility would be further gutted, nor will nerfing NBs fix the issue of absurd amounts of damage being reached by attacks such as uppercut. You want damage as a whole decreased? then start advocating for softcaps on weapon and spell damage.

Nerfing the NB will solve nothing, it will only make room for another class to be fotm(which would probably be the sorcerer) the DK was nerfed because people hated mana builds and decided it was the DKs fault, and now the DK is harder to play, with mana builds hardly being affected by it. Now stamina builds are better than before, so its time to nerf the NB? Tell me, once NBs get nerfed, which class will you go after next? I can assure you that "nerf sorceer and mana builds!" threads would start appearing if NBs were taken down the nerf path. In fact I can already picture it in my head "nerf crystal frags! nerf overload! nerf bolt escape! nerf the ward! nerf mines, nerf pets!" an endless sea of nerf that will destroy this game.

Go ahead, have the NB nerfed to the ground, I will still be here to watch the forums become awash with nerf sorcerer and mana build threads and will watch the game deteriorate. I am done.

bowmanz607 · January 2016

Just a side note about this whole NB from stealth thing. A DK ganker does more damage ganking then any other class. They have an ability to raise their heavy attack by 40%. you combine that with champ points and a gank build and you have the best one shot kill from stealth then any other class. You know what nb cant do? Hit from stealth with a 20k heavy attack. You can tell me I am wrong all you want about that 20k hit. I know for a fact it can be 20k. I have been hit several times from players with 20k hits. Even if that is max and harder to obtain, 15k heavy attacks are relativley easy to achieve from a DK. Combine that with any other ability and your good. Not to mention, combined with leap and you have a 30k-40k death recap on 2 hits.

Truth.

MarrazzMist · January 2016

Ffastyl wrote: »

Honestly? Nightblade is the most balanced and versatile class I've played. Of Templar, Dragonknight and Nightblade, Nightblade has the most viable builds.

I agree with versatility. NBs are amazing DPSs, fun healers and good tanks, which is vwhat I wish every class should be. Small adjustments, like making Ambush unspammable, would make them less annoing in PvP.

D0ntevenL1ft · January 2016

Aedaryl wrote: »

NBs are not OP.

Stamina is OP, so NB stam is OP.

Nerf Stamina, not NB.

Oh, and don't forget, cloak never killed people.

Cloak + Proxy det kills people

Cloak + Vigor heals people

revonine · January 2016

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Just a side note about this whole NB from stealth thing. A DK ganker does more damage ganking then any other class. They have an ability to raise their heavy attack by 40%. you combine that with champ points and a gank build and you have the best one shot kill from stealth then any other class. You know what nb cant do? Hit from stealth with a 20k heavy attack. You can tell me I am wrong all you want about that 20k hit. I know for a fact it can be 20k. I have been hit several times from players with 20k hits. Even if that is max and harder to obtain, 15k heavy attacks are relativley easy to achieve from a DK. Combine that with any other ability and your good. Not to mention, combined with leap and you have a 30k-40k death recap on 2 hits.

Truth.

Much truth. Just look at Alcast's videos. Multiple compilations worth of them. But the agenda is with NB's right now so these little things don't get mentioned. In reality it boils down to the same problem, broken stealth attack mechanics.

Derra · January 2016

Every DK in 1.2 to 1.5: DK is actually not overperforming it´s only bandwagoners why every 2nd player is a DK in cyro.

Every NB since 1.6: NB is actually not overperforming it´s only bandwagoners why only 2 out of 10 players in cyro are not a NB.

Joshuagm1991 · January 2016

Looks like there is a patch very soon. We'll see what happens. I'm excited for it.

Cathexis · January 2016

If a class is going to excel at assassination style ganking, then when they fail in their initial attempt, they should not get an infinite number of mulligans where the only exception is your opponent has a potion.

You failed with a huge tactical advantage, there should be a consequence for that.

H4RDFOX · January 2016

I've played my Nightblade since beta, and I have been in the best moments of PVP, and also the worst. You would really have to play as a nightblade to see where you stand in fights which isn't sustain in my honest opinion. We are assassins (gankers). I agree with everything the original poster stated on this thread. There are also more things I believe are an issue within this classe. When I think of a nightblade, the first thing that comes to mind is darkbrotherhood. Getting in and out, assassination as the skill line suggests. I can not comment on any player being OP, but I know that if the class was OP then I wouldn't be getting killed as much.

The issue I have with NB's is that the class is played as a 2 handed warrior. The assassination skill line graphics suggest that this nightblade is holding onto some sort of blade (ambush, surprise attack, soul harvest), and the animations reflect a dagger or dual wielding attack motion. These skills should also be weapon based. After all the attacks suggest daggers, and its a stamina based attack, not a magicka based attack.

Therium104 · January 2016

joe.smith21b14_ESO wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Funny thing is when DKs were top there were post similar to this saying "were not OP every one else needs to L2P" only difference is that was back when ZOS actually cared about balancing now they just want ideas for costumes instead of ideas for balancing hence why the NB are OP and have yet to be nerfed.

All you NB can make post and threads about how not OP and every one else just needs to L2P but doesn't change the truth that NB are the most powerful class with some of the most broken and or OP skills (depending on who you ask) and as long as they have that power players will use them abuse them and cause endless imbalancing issues and rage.

Here's a graph if you don't understand.

--> Night blade class (top level divine powers)

--> Sorcerer class (right behind NB maybe a few tweaks here and there)

--> Dragon Knight class (only way to use them in pvp is to exploit broken stuff such as the infa tank build)

--> Templar class (do I really need a reason to explain why there down here?)

Obviously you don't know what you is saying top players in my opinions are usually dk's Templars and sorcs I think the main problem your all having a lot of people rerolled as a nightblade I mean there is two simple ways to stop nightblades det pots and radiant magelight and if you can't slot rm then make det pots I don't even run mark target because how effective det pots are if you all ran det us squishy night blades won't last very long at all

Lol... seriously man? NB are the problem and need to be toned down considerably. NB should be ashamed at how easy mode and broken OP the class is....

DK? Try playing a Magic DK. Lol. They are so underpowered right now.

AOECAPS · January 2016

Same goes for Templars if you get killed by a magicka Templar it's because they are running clouding swarm and prox det with puncturing sweeps and stamplars are spamming WB because of all the broken class skills. I have a NB maxed out and feared it is extremely easy I'm 10% away from getting prox det and then it will be just wiping people all day with sap essence prox det clouding swarm. Stam NB are the huge problem with all of the buff debuffs out of stealth along with Camo Hunter but magicka NB are strong and just have more survive ability

revonine · January 2016

Therium104 wrote: »

joe.smith21b14_ESO wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Funny thing is when DKs were top there were post similar to this saying "were not OP every one else needs to L2P" only difference is that was back when ZOS actually cared about balancing now they just want ideas for costumes instead of ideas for balancing hence why the NB are OP and have yet to be nerfed.

All you NB can make post and threads about how not OP and every one else just needs to L2P but doesn't change the truth that NB are the most powerful class with some of the most broken and or OP skills (depending on who you ask) and as long as they have that power players will use them abuse them and cause endless imbalancing issues and rage.

Here's a graph if you don't understand.

--> Night blade class (top level divine powers)

--> Sorcerer class (right behind NB maybe a few tweaks here and there)

--> Dragon Knight class (only way to use them in pvp is to exploit broken stuff such as the infa tank build)

--> Templar class (do I really need a reason to explain why there down here?)

Obviously you don't know what you is saying top players in my opinions are usually dk's Templars and sorcs I think the main problem your all having a lot of people rerolled as a nightblade I mean there is two simple ways to stop nightblades det pots and radiant magelight and if you can't slot rm then make det pots I don't even run mark target because how effective det pots are if you all ran det us squishy night blades won't last very long at all

Lol... seriously man? NB are the problem and need to be toned down considerably. NB should be ashamed at how easy mode and broken OP the class is....

DK? Try playing a Magic DK. Lol. They are so underpowered right now.

He was more than likely referring to stamDK. And he was at least partially correct, Sorc and DK are the best duelers. If NB's were so crazy easy mode broken they should be winning any and every dueling tournament. In open world if 10 people can't pin down a cloaking NB then those 10 people seriously need to re-evaluate their builds and skill.
The FOTM now is Nightblade. This isn't solved by nerfs it's solved by addressing issues with other classes. You nerf NB significantly like your suggesting and mark my words another class with be the new FOTM. And then they'll be moans for more nerfs again.

Witar · January 2016

revonine wrote: »

He was more than likely referring to stamDK. And he was at least partially correct, Sorc and DK are the best duelers.

In expierienced hands. You can be newbie and still rock on nb. You will not be able to do that on stam dk.
Class should be more difficult to play to be effective on that level.

lucky_Sage · January 2016

nb and sorc arnt op dks and Templars are just weak

Templars are just broke at everything but healing
dragonknights - stamina is making a come back but magicka is weak because of the dots are useless in pvp I havnt done much pve on a dk so I don't know how well they work in pve

H4RDFOX · January 2016

ZOS, I sure hope you are not going to here to these individuals stating that NB's are OP. If anything, you guys should have a section on your site which explains every class based on lore. Also, if anything should be changed among the classes, it should be something like having a 2 hand ability, and an assassination ability in one bar and both are executable while 2 handed weapon equipped.

If you aren't VR16 NB, then you should be refraining yourself from suggesting any nerf. You would really have to play a certain class for a while to see why they aren't OP. I play my class as I believe it is intended based on skill lines. What I can say for sure about a class that can be OP is a sorc with that teletravel. Thats spammed, and can cause a group of people to remain stunned until they use break free. Many instances of SorcVSx and they still manage to stay alive and take us out one by one. That is an issue. NB's aren't there for sustain, its an assassination class designed for the gank, and it will be played as such. Just like the rogue in WoW. Your sustain fighters should be warriors, tanks, and other hybrid/tanks.

Rather than being constructive with the OP there is a lot of Nerf calling. How about bringing up other classes, and not pushing down on others. 4-5 out of 10 engagements I survive because of that cloak, and speed buff from having a bow equipped. Other than that, I am usually taking a chance attacking light armored wearers, but their shield buff is so much.

mr_wazzabi · January 2016

eliisra wrote: »

Laranoye wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

Laranoye wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

You know why there are so many of them? Simply put: BANDWAGONERS!

But then ofc the cold hard truth sinks in when those ppl realize that NB is not as easy as it seems. Before I played NB, I had a DK and a Sorc. I got killed plenty of times by NB and I thought they were OP too. But then I rolled one myself and I took back everything I said about them being OP.

That's why a lot of Nightblades are easy kills: bandwagoners who expect to get easy kills using their "OP" class, but end up being easy kills themselves.

And it's also easy for bandwagoners since Class Updates only happen once every 6 months or so. It gives them plenty of time to reroll to the next FOTM.

Your whole argument is invalid... You blatantly just said you done exactly what you don't want others to do... lol.

Your post is invalid: I rolled a NB before IC, the time most ppl believed they became "OP". And i like classes with Illusion magic (reason MagBlade is now my main), it was also to see how strong they really were

Keep this discussion civil plz. No need to be ignorant

NB have been OP for a long time now. Especially Magblade.. I just want you to be honest with yourself.. ;P
Even your sig says you have 3 NB..

This I dont get. How more OP? Magblade feels like the much weaker counterpart in current meta. With all the cc, knock downs, gap closer immobilize spam, ridiculously powerful snares and bombarding d-bags from every direction, you're not getting out of anything on a magicka build. Much less getting Cloak of.

You need major expedition and to dodge...like a lot of dodge, if you want to get out of ground AoE and cc&snares and try to cloak. Stamina NB has the tools. Much better choice when fighting outnumbered.

Stamblade have better burst because physical dmg lacking CP counter + sneak attacks for easy ganking. Stamina ignores Harness Magicka/Dampen Magic and reflects. Stamina NB's aren't susceptible Shield Breaker. There's a reason most Nightblades aren't magicka builds.

Cant say I had problems with magblades since back in 1.6, when they could more or less oneshot the unaware with Proxi combos. But that did require a high level of skill and coordination.

This. Try playing a magblade. All the nerf NB noobs will see just how easy it is to counter magblades.

Witar · January 2016

mr_wazzabi wrote: »

Try playing a magblade.

While you playing stamina for some reason?

Xvorg · January 2016

mr_wazzabi wrote: »

eliisra wrote: »

Laranoye wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

Laranoye wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

You know why there are so many of them? Simply put: BANDWAGONERS!

But then ofc the cold hard truth sinks in when those ppl realize that NB is not as easy as it seems. Before I played NB, I had a DK and a Sorc. I got killed plenty of times by NB and I thought they were OP too. But then I rolled one myself and I took back everything I said about them being OP.

That's why a lot of Nightblades are easy kills: bandwagoners who expect to get easy kills using their "OP" class, but end up being easy kills themselves.

And it's also easy for bandwagoners since Class Updates only happen once every 6 months or so. It gives them plenty of time to reroll to the next FOTM.

Your whole argument is invalid... You blatantly just said you done exactly what you don't want others to do... lol.

Your post is invalid: I rolled a NB before IC, the time most ppl believed they became "OP". And i like classes with Illusion magic (reason MagBlade is now my main), it was also to see how strong they really were

Keep this discussion civil plz. No need to be ignorant

NB have been OP for a long time now. Especially Magblade.. I just want you to be honest with yourself.. ;P
Even your sig says you have 3 NB..

This I dont get. How more OP? Magblade feels like the much weaker counterpart in current meta. With all the cc, knock downs, gap closer immobilize spam, ridiculously powerful snares and bombarding d-bags from every direction, you're not getting out of anything on a magicka build. Much less getting Cloak of.

You need major expedition and to dodge...like a lot of dodge, if you want to get out of ground AoE and cc&snares and try to cloak. Stamina NB has the tools. Much better choice when fighting outnumbered.

Stamblade have better burst because physical dmg lacking CP counter + sneak attacks for easy ganking. Stamina ignores Harness Magicka/Dampen Magic and reflects. Stamina NB's aren't susceptible Shield Breaker. There's a reason most Nightblades aren't magicka builds.

Cant say I had problems with magblades since back in 1.6, when they could more or less oneshot the unaware with Proxi combos. But that did require a high level of skill and coordination.

This. Try playing a magblade. All the nerf NB noobs will see just how easy it is to counter magblades.

Yup, Mageblades have basicaly 2 builds, or the sap tank/strife spammer, or the conc weapon spammer. The first one gets hugely nerfed in cyrodil through healing (strife healing REALLY SUCKS in Cyro), while the second, unless carrying a staff, has nearly 0 passives from weapons (only DW and only the last passive from that line, and s/b but you don't kill with those passives). On top of that, both styles are countered by CPs (hardy). No natural spell dmg increase unless you attack from stealth (with light armor... cool) or if you become a cloak spammer (people wants to nerf it... right?). Lotus fan does not give empower buff (you need to look for it in the mages guild tree) and Sap Essence, although useful, won't increase your dmg unless you hit someone, so ranged's out (unless you look for entropy in the mages guild tree). Grim focus becomes half useless if you go DW or s/b, so you have to use a staff if you want to take advantage of the skill, ideally a resto staff due to thaum. (no elemental dmg for the class, so no synergy with destro staff and elemental expert CPs).

With all those drawbacks, there's people who say mageblade is OP...

mr_wazzabi · January 2016

Witar wrote: »

mr_wazzabi wrote: »

Try playing a magblade.

While you playing stamina for some reason?

I have both

Amica · January 2016

Didgerion wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

Cloak is too powerful
Surprisingly, on my Stamina Nightblade, I find Cloak to be nothing more than a Purge skill, not an escape skill. True, I can halt the fight for about 2.9 seconds max, but the main purpose of the Cloak as a StamBlade is to get rid of the DoT.

Your post is too long but let me teach you how you can use your cloak on stamina NighBlade:
Beside of what you've mentioned already:
1. You can cloak and the meteor wrecking blow and other abilities will miss the target.
2. While cloaked you can do an instant powerful and cheap Surprise Attack which in addition to that applies a debuf and it is a CC combo.
3. 2.9 seconds is enough to cast a heal a buff and a CC opening (yeah that surprise attack)
4. 2.9 seconds keeps you immune from any incoming damage
5. 2.9 seconds will help you gain positioning advantage
6. cloak gives you a major armor buf
7. I'm sure the list does not stop here....like your points can go in here
8. And if you use drinks and tripots then your stamina NB can use cloak as an escape as well

And yeah a skillful NB will make sure to use all 1-7 advantages at once while cloaked.

1 Does not count, as everyone has the ability to dodge roll or block a Wrecking blow or dodge roll and sometimes reflect a meteor.
2 is correct.
3 Any healing staff ability use, will pull a NB from cloak. With the exception of rally and vigor.
4 Not true, biting jabs. steel tornado, detect pots, traps, spikes, streak, tallons. Still pull NB from stealth even under cloak. even if you are using the one that removes dots.
5 true ... its a bloody NB its what they are meant to do.
6 Yes but heavy armor does also and you can just shield stack on a sork.
8 refer to number 4.

With the speed animation canceling while using a macro is firing off. The cloak is not triggering fast enough to avoid all the hits. DK is a good example of this, charge + wrecking blow + dragon leap. As i do it all the time to NBs and have it done to myself on my NB.

NBs compared to any of the other classes are squishy little buggers. Yes you have the ability to maneuver but that's not a get out of jail free card.

Does surprise attack hit too hard? that's a fine line. DKs and good temps are like hitting brick walls. And shield stacking is .... well shield stacking.

Wrecking blow from stealth + surprise attack + fear + executioner or ultimate. That is bullshitly OP.

The issue with NBs and stam dks atm is the ability to use two very hard hitting abilities at once. And 97% of the time that is "wrecking blow" with your choice of OP ability. Give executioner and Surprise attack a half second cast time give or take. And see what happens to NBs and Dks etc. I personally think it will make the classes closer balance wise. increase the immunity time for charge and Spambush will be a massive help all round to the other classes.

bowmanz607 · January 2016

Xvorg wrote: »

mr_wazzabi wrote: »

eliisra wrote: »

Laranoye wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

Laranoye wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

You know why there are so many of them? Simply put: BANDWAGONERS!

But then ofc the cold hard truth sinks in when those ppl realize that NB is not as easy as it seems. Before I played NB, I had a DK and a Sorc. I got killed plenty of times by NB and I thought they were OP too. But then I rolled one myself and I took back everything I said about them being OP.

That's why a lot of Nightblades are easy kills: bandwagoners who expect to get easy kills using their "OP" class, but end up being easy kills themselves.

And it's also easy for bandwagoners since Class Updates only happen once every 6 months or so. It gives them plenty of time to reroll to the next FOTM.

Your whole argument is invalid... You blatantly just said you done exactly what you don't want others to do... lol.

Your post is invalid: I rolled a NB before IC, the time most ppl believed they became "OP". And i like classes with Illusion magic (reason MagBlade is now my main), it was also to see how strong they really were

Keep this discussion civil plz. No need to be ignorant

NB have been OP for a long time now. Especially Magblade.. I just want you to be honest with yourself.. ;P
Even your sig says you have 3 NB..

This I dont get. How more OP? Magblade feels like the much weaker counterpart in current meta. With all the cc, knock downs, gap closer immobilize spam, ridiculously powerful snares and bombarding d-bags from every direction, you're not getting out of anything on a magicka build. Much less getting Cloak of.

You need major expedition and to dodge...like a lot of dodge, if you want to get out of ground AoE and cc&snares and try to cloak. Stamina NB has the tools. Much better choice when fighting outnumbered.

Stamblade have better burst because physical dmg lacking CP counter + sneak attacks for easy ganking. Stamina ignores Harness Magicka/Dampen Magic and reflects. Stamina NB's aren't susceptible Shield Breaker. There's a reason most Nightblades aren't magicka builds.

Cant say I had problems with magblades since back in 1.6, when they could more or less oneshot the unaware with Proxi combos. But that did require a high level of skill and coordination.

This. Try playing a magblade. All the nerf NB noobs will see just how easy it is to counter magblades.

Yup, Mageblades have basicaly 2 builds, or the sap tank/strife spammer, or the conc weapon spammer. The first one gets hugely nerfed in cyrodil through healing (strife healing REALLY SUCKS in Cyro), while the second, unless carrying a staff, has nearly 0 passives from weapons (only DW and only the last passive from that line, and s/b but you don't kill with those passives). On top of that, both styles are countered by CPs (hardy). No natural spell dmg increase unless you attack from stealth (with light armor... cool) or if you become a cloak spammer (people wants to nerf it... right?). Lotus fan does not give empower buff (you need to look for it in the mages guild tree) and Sap Essence, although useful, won't increase your dmg unless you hit someone, so ranged's out (unless you look for entropy in the mages guild tree). Grim focus becomes half useless if you go DW or s/b, so you have to use a staff if you want to take advantage of the skill, ideally a resto staff due to thaum. (no elemental dmg for the class, so no synergy with destro staff and elemental expert CPs).

With all those drawbacks, there's people who say mageblade is OP...

Your crazy. Overall I do not think nb is op. I think Stam is op and nb synergies with Stam well. I do think that some nb abilities need to be toned down in the number of things they do with one ability though. Some tweakjng. That said...

Mag nb has more than two builds. They have a plethora of varying dps, buff, and cc combinations they can utilize and still be very effective. Mag nb has a large selection of utility options also. The number of different ways you can build a mag blade and be effective is huge. Mag blades are very versatile. Just to name a few effective abilities for a mag blade...blur, impale, lotus fan, cloack, siphoning attacks, cripple, agony, sap, strife, concealed, entrpy, mage light, fear, piercing, grim focus, LA shield, desto, resto, detonati9n, telwport shade, along with a few others I know I'm missing. All are viabke.

Choosing to use DW over a desto is your fault that you choose to limit your options for some extra damage. That said, mag nb still has a lot of skills even with dw.

Strife is solid for pvp. Funnel health is great for healers or side group healing. Swallow soul heal is great. I get 1.8-2k healing ticks. Not to mention it is a solid dps just under concealed strike that can be used from a good range. So you get solid sustain dps, great healing especially in this new meta where it is sustain, and allows you to be outside the range of mele

Although there is no class synergy with desto, it still has great burst and a champion star to increase it. Again, on you if you choose not to. Desto staff makes for great burst combos especially when combined with hits from stealth with cloack. Why should nb also get a synergy with desto when they have so much already? This is where other classes get some help.

NB may not get a spell damage increase but siphoning skills do improve your max magic. Meaning you get more sustain and damage from using those.

Although the imbalance with reducing magic damage versus reduce physical damage is an issue, it is not class specific.

I and your note on grim for us with dw....you can still weave in la. It won't be as much damage as a staff, but it is weaving damage nonetheless and you should be doing it for ult gain anyway.

Your overall point with it mag nb not being op is true.but don't try and sit here and say they have only 2 builds. Don't try and downplay them. Besides the 8mbalances in mag and stam, a mag nb is the only setup that does not need any tweaking in this game.

Xvorg · January 2016

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You know why there are so many of them? Simply put: BANDWAGONERS!

But then ofc the cold hard truth sinks in when those ppl realize that NB is not as easy as it seems. Before I played NB, I had a DK and a Sorc. I got killed plenty of times by NB and I thought they were OP too. But then I rolled one myself and I took back everything I said about them being OP.

That's why a lot of Nightblades are easy kills: bandwagoners who expect to get easy kills using their "OP" class, but end up being easy kills themselves.

And it's also easy for bandwagoners since Class Updates only happen once every 6 months or so. It gives them plenty of time to reroll to the next FOTM.

Your whole argument is invalid... You blatantly just said you done exactly what you don't want others to do... lol.

Your post is invalid: I rolled a NB before IC, the time most ppl believed they became "OP". And i like classes with Illusion magic (reason MagBlade is now my main), it was also to see how strong they really were

Keep this discussion civil plz. No need to be ignorant

NB have been OP for a long time now. Especially Magblade.. I just want you to be honest with yourself.. ;P
Even your sig says you have 3 NB..

This I dont get. How more OP? Magblade feels like the much weaker counterpart in current meta. With all the cc, knock downs, gap closer immobilize spam, ridiculously powerful snares and bombarding d-bags from every direction, you're not getting out of anything on a magicka build. Much less getting Cloak of.

You need major expedition and to dodge...like a lot of dodge, if you want to get out of ground AoE and cc&snares and try to cloak. Stamina NB has the tools. Much better choice when fighting outnumbered.

Stamblade have better burst because physical dmg lacking CP counter + sneak attacks for easy ganking. Stamina ignores Harness Magicka/Dampen Magic and reflects. Stamina NB's aren't susceptible Shield Breaker. There's a reason most Nightblades aren't magicka builds.

Cant say I had problems with magblades since back in 1.6, when they could more or less oneshot the unaware with Proxi combos. But that did require a high level of skill and coordination.

This. Try playing a magblade. All the nerf NB noobs will see just how easy it is to counter magblades.

Yup, Mageblades have basicaly 2 builds, or the sap tank/strife spammer, or the conc weapon spammer. The first one gets hugely nerfed in cyrodil through healing (strife healing REALLY SUCKS in Cyro), while the second, unless carrying a staff, has nearly 0 passives from weapons (only DW and only the last passive from that line, and s/b but you don't kill with those passives). On top of that, both styles are countered by CPs (hardy). No natural spell dmg increase unless you attack from stealth (with light armor... cool) or if you become a cloak spammer (people wants to nerf it... right?). Lotus fan does not give empower buff (you need to look for it in the mages guild tree) and Sap Essence, although useful, won't increase your dmg unless you hit someone, so ranged's out (unless you look for entropy in the mages guild tree). Grim focus becomes half useless if you go DW or s/b, so you have to use a staff if you want to take advantage of the skill, ideally a resto staff due to thaum. (no elemental dmg for the class, so no synergy with destro staff and elemental expert CPs).

With all those drawbacks, there's people who say mageblade is OP...

Your crazy. Overall I do not think nb is op. I think Stam is op and nb synergies with Stam well. I do think that some nb abilities need to be toned down in the number of things they do with one ability though. Some tweakjng. That said...

Mag nb has more than two builds. They have a plethora of varying dps, buff, and cc combinations they can utilize and still be very effective. Mag nb has a large selection of utility options also. The number of different ways you can build a mag blade and be effective is huge. Mag blades are very versatile. Just to name a few effective abilities for a mag blade...blur, impale, lotus fan, cloack, siphoning attacks, cripple, agony, sap, strife, concealed, entrpy, mage light, fear, piercing, grim focus, LA shield, desto, resto, detonati9n, telwport shade, along with a few others I know I'm missing. All are viabke.

Choosing to use DW over a desto is your fault that you choose to limit your options for some extra damage. That said, mag nb still has a lot of skills even with dw.

Strife is solid for pvp. Funnel health is great for healers or side group healing. Swallow soul heal is great. I get 1.8-2k healing ticks. Not to mention it is a solid dps just under concealed strike that can be used from a good range. So you get solid sustain dps, great healing especially in this new meta where it is sustain, and allows you to be outside the range of mele

Although there is no class synergy with desto, it still has great burst and a champion star to increase it. Again, on you if you choose not to. Desto staff makes for great burst combos especially when combined with hits from stealth with cloack. Why should nb also get a synergy with desto when they have so much already? This is where other classes get some help.

NB may not get a spell damage increase but siphoning skills do improve your max magic. Meaning you get more sustain and damage from using those.

Although the imbalance with reducing magic damage versus reduce physical damage is an issue, it is not class specific.

I and your note on grim for us with dw....you can still weave in la. It won't be as much damage as a staff, but it is weaving damage nonetheless and you should be doing it for ult gain anyway.

Your overall point with it mag nb not being op is true.but don't try and sit here and say they have only 2 builds. Don't try and downplay them. Besides the 8mbalances in mag and stam, a mag nb is the only setup that does not need any tweaking in this game.

I think you didn't get the point, Magicka NB is a well balanced build with some drawbacks but with some utilities too, although there's a lot of people asking for a nerf sice NBs "are so OP". I have never said it is ruined, iut is just that have some problems that people do not get (specially those guys who believe it is easy to play it).

What I wanted to point out is that there's no natural synergy for magicka NB in the CPs. Yes, we do have certain sustain but it is nicely halved by the glorious battle spirit in Cyro. On the contrary, Stamblades have an easier life. They have physical dmg which is not countered by any CP star. They can go DW, 2H, S/B and bow and be extremely efficient, while receiving excelent passives (even bashing becomes an option for stamblades).

If you compare any passive in the weapon skill trees with those from the staves passives, you will see that mageblades are in disadvantage... but it is not a huge one. We can cope with that using the skills we have.

Now, think for a moment if the nerfs tha people ask become a fact. What would happen to mageblade? The skills they want to nerf are the mageblade's bread and butter. If they do that, then mageblade will become another ruined option in this game.

Instead of that they should focus on stamblade.