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Nightblade through the eyes of a Nightblade
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Cody✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »Nb's are quite easy to play, most consists of spamming suprise/concealed.
Have you played a NB?4 -
Witar✭✭✭✭✭
How exactly sorc being op stops nb from being op? What kind of wierd logic is that?i canT understand how the hell is posible to even say nb is op when sorc is way so much more op!
Edited by Witar on January 22, 2016 2:32PMIt cannot be seen, cannot be felt,
Cannot be heard, cannot be smelt,
It lies behind stars and under hills,
And empty holes it fills,
It comes first and follows after,
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OdinForge✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »Nb's are quite easy to play, most consists of spamming suprise/concealed.
Have you played a NB?
This is the problem Cody, people with very little experience or no experience at all acting like NB is all about ambush and surprise attack, it's a joke.Edited by OdinForge on January 22, 2016 3:19PMThe Age of Wrobel.2 -
Therium104✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »Nb's are quite easy to play, most consists of spamming suprise/concealed.
Have you played a NB?leepalmer95 wrote: »Nb's are quite easy to play, most consists of spamming suprise/concealed.
Have you played a NB?
Have you played a NB? Lol0 -
leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »Nb's are quite easy to play, most consists of spamming suprise/concealed.
Have you played a NB?
Yes i have played a nb? there easy.?
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Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
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Therium104✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Nb's are quite easy to play, most consists of spamming suprise/concealed.
Have you played a NB?
Yes i have played a nb? there easy.?
Easiest, no skill, spam a few button class, in the history of MMO.0 -
CtrlAltDlt✭✭✭Therium104 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Nb's are quite easy to play, most consists of spamming suprise/concealed.
Have you played a NB?
Yes i have played a nb? there easy.?
Easiest, no skill, spam a few button class, in the history of MMO.
LOL. In a group setting any class is easy. By this logic since they're so easy and take no skill II should be getting rekt by any NB i come accross. But it is they who end up face down on the ground. Try solo 1vX with "no skill" against competent players and tell me how it goes.
As for the "spam a few button" argument. All classes "spam" their main dps abilities. It sounds like you re just a troll who hates NBs and is talking out of your ass.
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✭✭✭✭✭CtrlAltDlt wrote: »Therium104 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Nb's are quite easy to play, most consists of spamming suprise/concealed.
Have you played a NB?
Yes i have played a nb? there easy.?
Easiest, no skill, spam a few button class, in the history of MMO.
LOL. In a group setting any class is easy. By this logic since they're so easy and take no skill II should be getting rekt by any NB i come accross. But it is they who end up face down on the ground. Try solo 1vX with "no skill" against competent players and tell me how it goes.
As for the "spam a few button" argument. All classes "spam" their main dps abilities. It sounds like you re just a troll who hates NBs and is talking out of your ass.
Thxbye
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leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭CtrlAltDlt wrote: »Therium104 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Nb's are quite easy to play, most consists of spamming suprise/concealed.
Have you played a NB?
Yes i have played a nb? there easy.?
Easiest, no skill, spam a few button class, in the history of MMO.
LOL. In a group setting any class is easy. By this logic since they're so easy and take no skill II should be getting rekt by any NB i come accross. But it is they who end up face down on the ground. Try solo 1vX with "no skill" against competent players and tell me how it goes.
As for the "spam a few button" argument. All classes "spam" their main dps abilities. It sounds like you re just a troll who hates NBs and is talking out of your ass.
Thxbye
Just because there easy to play doesn't mean people turn into good players using them, just because the lower end players all flock to the op class instead of just improving their own gameplay.
Any half decent sorc won't spam frags.
Wb spammers spam a broken skill - exploiters
I use jabs less on my templar than a nb will use SA/Concealed
Any half decent dk uses s+b and that requires LA - Ransack - Bash.
Nb's are literally just teleport strike/SA until dead, maybe throw in a soul harvest/fear to mix things up.
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I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
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CtrlAltDlt✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »CtrlAltDlt wrote: »Therium104 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Nb's are quite easy to play, most consists of spamming suprise/concealed.
Have you played a NB?
Yes i have played a nb? there easy.?
Easiest, no skill, spam a few button class, in the history of MMO.
LOL. In a group setting any class is easy. By this logic since they're so easy and take no skill II should be getting rekt by any NB i come accross. But it is they who end up face down on the ground. Try solo 1vX with "no skill" against competent players and tell me how it goes.
As for the "spam a few button" argument. All classes "spam" their main dps abilities. It sounds like you re just a troll who hates NBs and is talking out of your ass.
Thxbye
Just because there easy to play doesn't mean people turn into good players using them, just because the lower end players all flock to the op class instead of just improving their own gameplay.
Any half decent sorc won't spam frags.
Wb spammers spam a broken skill - exploiters
Enlighten me on how WB is broken. What are stam sorcs and dks that want to go with a 2h setup supposed to use?
I use jabs less on my templar than a nb will use SA/Concealed
Hmm congratulations? I use LA-SA bash, vigor, shadow image, poison injection etc..
Any half decent dk uses s+b and that requires LA - Ransack - Bash.
I guess LowPolicy, kodi, Sypher are scrubs when they play 2h/bow.
LA SA Bash. How is that different?
Nb's are literally just teleport strike/SA until dead, maybe throw in a soul harvest/fear to mix things up.
You mentioned 3 skills. How is that different than WB - Leap - Execute? Or a templar crit charge - jabs - execute?
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✭✭✭✭✭CtrlAltDlt wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »CtrlAltDlt wrote: »Therium104 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Nb's are quite easy to play, most consists of spamming suprise/concealed.
Have you played a NB?
Yes i have played a nb? there easy.?
Easiest, no skill, spam a few button class, in the history of MMO.
LOL. In a group setting any class is easy. By this logic since they're so easy and take no skill II should be getting rekt by any NB i come accross. But it is they who end up face down on the ground. Try solo 1vX with "no skill" against competent players and tell me how it goes.
As for the "spam a few button" argument. All classes "spam" their main dps abilities. It sounds like you re just a troll who hates NBs and is talking out of your ass.
Thxbye
Just because there easy to play doesn't mean people turn into good players using them, just because the lower end players all flock to the op class instead of just improving their own gameplay.
Any half decent sorc won't spam frags.
Wb spammers spam a broken skill - exploiters
Enlighten me on how WB is broken. What are stam sorcs and dks that want to go with a 2h setup supposed to use?
I use jabs less on my templar than a nb will use SA/Concealed
Hmm congratulations? I use LA-SA bash, vigor, shadow image, poison injection etc..
Any half decent dk uses s+b and that requires LA - Ransack - Bash.
I guess LowPolicy, kodi, Sypher are scrubs when they play 2h/bow.
LA SA Bash. How is that different?
Nb's are literally just teleport strike/SA until dead, maybe throw in a soul harvest/fear to mix things up.
You mentioned 3 skills. How is that different than WB - Leap - Execute? Or a templar crit charge - jabs - execute?
Wb is clearly broken at the moment, broken cc and broken range etc... Not the mention is just OP as a skill as it it, empowered high hitting, long range, cc all in 1 button no wonder people go the 1 button wonder.
A s+b dk is actually mean't to do more dmg than a wb spamming dk, so if they actusally cared about being the strongest build or such they would go s+b however currently you have just spam wb in 3 hits and kill someone, you don't have to aim it like jabs, your next wb will actually do more dmg, your first wb will cc them so your second hits them.
Stam sorc + stam dk could try use a s+b but the fact that they don't have good stamina morphs or such does need to be addressed but it's still not stopping the fact wb is broken.
You use bash on your nb? Do you use a s+b? Not sure when then a dual wield stam nb can hit 8k SA's. No class should have the option to 1 hit someone.
Anyone whose sole dmg comes from spamming 1 button is annoying the game shouldn't reward that type of gameplay, empower shouldn't empower itself.
Nb's can easily just ambush SA and kill someone in like 3 hits, not even mentioning if they decide to heavy attack from stealth. It's easy mode.
Wb gives you more time to react with the charge time a nb can kill you before your physically able to do anything.
Nb's are easy mode currently.PS4 EU DC
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Aedaryl✭✭✭✭✭
✭NBs are not OP.
Stamina is OP, so NB stam is OP.
Nerf Stamina, not NB.
Every skills except cloak like ambush, surprise Attack, one-shot bow build, ... is a stamina problem, not a NB problem (only ambush in NB problem).
Dk stam > all now in 1v1, because stam > all
Even stamplar and stamsorc can be god if well played.
Magicka NB are not OP, they can't do great damage like stamina.
Oh, and don't forget, cloak never killed people.Edited by Aedaryl on January 22, 2016 8:44PM0 -
bowmanz607✭✭✭✭✭
✭NBs are not OP.
Stamina is OP, so NB stam is OP.
Nerf Stamina, not NB.
Every skills except cloak like ambush, surprise Attack, one-shot bow build, ... is a stamina problem, not a NB problem (only ambush in NB problem).
Dk stam > all now in 1v1, because stam > all
Even stamplar and stamsorc can be god if well played.
Magicka NB are not OP, they can't do great damage like stamina.
Oh, and don't forget, cloak never killed people.
no need to nerf. Easy fix. ZOS mentioned wanting to chnage the quick recovery champ star. REplace that with one that reduces physical damage and problem solved.1 -
Tryxus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭This is gonna be the last post I'll make on this thread, cuz honestly I'm tired of it all. I've actually reached that point where I don't like to play my favorite class or character anymore...
I'll explain a little something that both @Zinaroth and @Joy_Division fell over: my suggestion that NB should continue to have the means to assassinate like they do now. (I may have eplained it poorly)
What I mean with this is that every Stamina and Magicka build should be made equally powerful, yet at the same time have this one strong point about them (for the Nightblade it's obviously ganking). This way, if ppl don't like to be pigeonholed into 1 single role, they can still fight on even ground with the others without making use of that strong point. This is NOT me saying that NB alone should get something strong like this
@Zinaroth told me ingame that he doesn't like being forced to be a healer, but I didn't suggest that. My suggestion is that his Templar should be brought up to the same lvl as the NB are now while having powerful heals as a strong point that he's not forced to make use off, the same way that NB aren't forced to be gankers but are still strong
It's the point of classes (or jobs): we should have the means to fight each other on an equal lvl, but have the ability to do this one thing really good.
The last thing I'm going to say on this thread is the reason I made that post (and in my defense, I was pretty angry. Don't worry, I'm usually, nearly always a happy-go-lucky guy) and why from this point on I'm just gonna stay ingame and enjoy the game for what it is
- The increase in "I hate NB"-threads due to the coming update: a lot of ppl are trying to nudge ZOS into nerfing the NB "into the ground", hoping that the coming update will bring about "karmic justice" for the NB
- The fact that I don't want to see the FOTM thrend to be continued: This isn't a "Defend the NB" thread, since I'm proposing changes to be made to Cloak, Ambush and Radiant Magelight to take away the abusable and unfair element of the NB without nerfing the class itself.
- Griefers: the day before I made this post, I killed (ganked) 2 ppl in IC who showered me with whispers of being a "cowardly piece of chicken poo" and that "NB should feel bad about playing this game". I'm tired of being blamed simply for playing my preffered class and char
With this thread, I was merely pointing out that NB aren't as bad as they seem to be, and why I believe certain mechanics have been implemented to give us a chance to fight (like why Cloak has a purge etc)
I hope I explained things properly this time, and I rlly hope that Class Balance (or the closest thing possible to it) can be made a reality without having to nerf classes. I apologize to everyone I may have offended, for this thread if it really disgusts you or for any other misunderstandings
Tryxus out (cya ingame)Edited by Tryxus on January 26, 2016 1:22AM"Stand strong, stay true and shelter all."
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Joy_Division✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭This is gonna be the last post I'll make on these forums, cuz honestly I'm tired of it all. I've actually reached that point where I don't like to play my favorite class or character anymore...
I'll explain a little something that both @Zinaroth and @Joy_Division fell over: my suggestion that NB should continue to have the means to assassinate like they do now. (I may have eplained it poorly)
What I mean with this is that every Stamina and Magicka build should be made equally powerful, yet at the same time have this one strong point about them (for the Nightblade it's obviously ganking). This way, if ppl don't like to be pigeonholed into 1 single role, they can still fight on even ground with the others without making use of that strong point. This is NOT me saying that NB alone should get something strong like this
I know what you meant, but it just because all classes can do something exceptional doesn't mean it is good balance or fun to play.
As it is right now, even when my Templar averages 8,500 health on a breath of life - which is in no way equivalent to a one-shot build - there are very many people on these forums who are convinced Breath of Life is too strong. My templar has zero mobility, little defense, pathetic burst, non-functioning skills, and people are still complaining about breath of life. How do you think these players are going to feel if ZoS makes it so I always fill people to maximum health when I hit a single button?
If you make it so classes are actually very strong at something )as opposed to people's brains exaggerating the effectiveness of their opponent's class skills to save their bruised egos), the forum will be nothing but QQ threads.Make Rush of Agony "Monsters only." People should not be consecutively crowd controlled in a PvP setting. Period.1 -
AllPlayAndNoWork✭✭✭✭✭Its not the fact that NB's need a nerf... Just leave well alone.
Just undo the other previous nerfs to DK's & Templars.
Going about it the wrong way. Less nerf.
Keep nerfing and there will be nothing left to play.2 -
nordickittyhawk✭✭✭✭✭AllPlayAndNoWork wrote: »Its not the fact that NB's need a nerf... Just leave well alone.
Just undo the other previous nerfs to DK's & Templars.
Going about it the wrong way. Less nerf.
Keep nerfing and there will be nothing left to play.
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revonine✭✭✭✭bowmanz607 wrote: »NBs are not OP.
Stamina is OP, so NB stam is OP.
Nerf Stamina, not NB.
Every skills except cloak like ambush, surprise Attack, one-shot bow build, ... is a stamina problem, not a NB problem (only ambush in NB problem).
Dk stam > all now in 1v1, because stam > all
Even stamplar and stamsorc can be god if well played.
Magicka NB are not OP, they can't do great damage like stamina.
Oh, and don't forget, cloak never killed people.
no need to nerf. Easy fix. ZOS mentioned wanting to chnage the quick recovery champ star. REplace that with one that reduces physical damage and problem solved.
it would probably solve the issue especially with stamblade but people don't give up vendetta's so easily.- Griefers: the day before I made this post, I killed (ganked) 2 ppl in IC who showered me with whispers of being a "cowardly piece of chicken poo" and that "NB should feel bad about playing this game". I'm tired of being blamed simply for playing my preffered class and char
That's actually awful that you can't play your class without being abused.Edited by revonine on January 23, 2016 6:31PM2 -
Lucky28✭✭✭✭✭
✭Said it before. nightblades are OP because they nerfed all the counter to them. Honestly, if ZoS didn't nerf streak NB's would be a hell of a lot more manageable then they are today, Streak has always been the best counter to cloak but that changed with the Stacking cost increase.
I said this on the IC PTS: you nerf one class and eventually you'll have to nerf another, and that's where we are today, sadly people never think about that aspect.leepalmer95 wrote: »Nb's are quite easy to play, most consists of spamming suprise/concealed.
Have you played a NB?
I have yes, and "easy" doesn't even begin to cover it.Edited by Lucky28 on January 24, 2016 8:06PMInvictus1 -
danno8✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭AllPlayAndNoWork wrote: »Its not the fact that NB's need a nerf... Just leave well alone.
Just undo the other previous nerfs to DK's & Templars.
Going about it the wrong way. Less nerf.
Keep nerfing and there will be nothing left to play.
The problem nerfs to DK's weren't even to DK directly.
The removal of miss chance from the game (Templars also took a hit here) (1.6)
The uncapping of resource regen meant DK could no longer make use of Battle Roar to outlast their opponents. Everyone suddenly had huge regeneration.(1.6)
Dynamic Ultimate getting nerfed also meant way less ultimate for them, again a bigger nerf to DK's than other classes since they relied on Battle Roar/blocking/DoT ticks for their sustain/mitigation. (1.6)
Blocking nerf meant they could no longer mitigate nearly as much as before. (IC)
50% less damage from battle spirit applying to their DoT's made them so lacking in pressure as to be ignorable. (IC)
Most people feel DK's were pretty balanced in 1.5, but ZoS went and made sweeping changes that hit DK harder than other classes. Curious to see how ZoS is going to buff DK's in order to get some of this back.1 -
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✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Nb's are quite easy to play, most consists of spamming suprise/concealed.
Have you played a NB?
Yes i have played a nb? there easy.?
Have you ever tried a NB without cloak and SA/concealed weapon?
It is worth an attemptSarcasm is something too serious to be taken lightly
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leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Mag nb can also 1 hit people, they can also take out a group fairly easy.
Cloak is the only eacape skill in the gameleepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Nb's are quite easy to play, most consists of spamming suprise/concealed.
Have you played a NB?
Yes i have played a nb? there easy.?
Have you ever tried a NB without cloak and SA/concealed weapon?
It is worth an attempt
Sa - wb.
For a stam blade just dodge roll more, every other stam class doesn't have access to a convenient reset the fight skill, they have to dodge roll and such. Should be easy to get enough regen considering you get 15% more than otehr classes just by being a nb.PS4 EU DC
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Xvorg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »Mag nb can also 1 hit people, they can also take out a group fairly easy.
Cloak is the only eacape skill in the gameleepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Nb's are quite easy to play, most consists of spamming suprise/concealed.
Have you played a NB?
Yes i have played a nb? there easy.?
Have you ever tried a NB without cloak and SA/concealed weapon?
It is worth an attempt
Sa - wb.
For a stam blade just dodge roll more, every other stam class doesn't have access to a convenient reset the fight skill, they have to dodge roll and such. Should be easy to get enough regen considering you get 15% more than otehr classes just by being a nb.
Actually only a 5% better than a templar who have slotted restoring aura, a 5% better than any sorcerer in terms of magicka and a 5% below them if they have any pet active when talking about health, and without the chance of recovering a 5% max stam if you are a DK with an earthen earth skill sloted and use it (not to mention the 70% Ulti cost recovered in all resources just because).
So the big advantage you mention is not that high. It is useful, but every class has their own way to get better res recover than what they have for default, but you know, people prefers to stack wpn or spell dmg.
I forgot to mention: the tootip of shadow recovery says "While using Shadow abilities:
Increases Stamina, Health and Magicka Regeneration by 15%."Edited by Xvorg on January 23, 2016 8:27PMSarcasm is something too serious to be taken lightly
I was born with the wrong sign
In the wrong house
With the wrong ascendancy
I took the wrong road
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I was in the wrong place at the wrong time
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✭✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »Mag nb can also 1 hit people, they can also take out a group fairly easy.
Cloak is the only eacape skill in the gameleepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Nb's are quite easy to play, most consists of spamming suprise/concealed.
Have you played a NB?
Yes i have played a nb? there easy.?
Have you ever tried a NB without cloak and SA/concealed weapon?
It is worth an attempt
Sa - wb.
For a stam blade just dodge roll more, every other stam class doesn't have access to a convenient reset the fight skill, they have to dodge roll and such. Should be easy to get enough regen considering you get 15% more than otehr classes just by being a nb.
Actually only a 5% better than a templar who have slotted restoring aura, a 5% better than any sorcerer in terms of magicka and a 5% below them if they have any pet active when talking about health, and without the chance of recovering a 5% max stam if you are a DK with an earthen earth skill sloted and use it (not to mention the 70% Ulti cost recovered in all resources just because).
So the big advantage you mention is not that high. It is useful, but every class has their own way to get better res recover than what they have for default, but you know, people prefers to stack wpn or spell dmg.
I forgot to mention: the tootip of shadow recovery says "While using Shadow abilities:
Increases Stamina, Health and Magicka Regeneration by 15%."
The 70% regen from a ult isn't that great, any sustain that rely's on ult isn't reliable.
Difference between nb's it, their regen is a passive, templar have to use a skill slot, nb's don't
The nb passive gives more regen than vampires who:
Take 9% more wpn/spell dmg
25% more fire dmg
Have to slot a vamp skill
Susceptible to be 1 hit by a dawnbreaker.
Only regen on the bar with the vamp skill
Hp regen is useless for them, still miss 5% maxicka + 5% stamina and 15% hp regen.
Wolves : have to waste a ult slot and only regen on the bar it's on. Stil missing the 15% magicka/hp recovery.
Templars : have to slot the skill
only works on the weapon bar it's slotted, still % behind nb passive.
The 15% passive nb's have is stupid, it just completely out classes anything any other class has, they don't even need to give up skill slots to get them and there higher than every other skill.
Even the 5.2 armour passive, every other class has to cast that and keep it up and use a skill slot, nb's don't even tyr to keep it up it's usually 100% uptime because cloak and concealed/SA proc it.
Nb's skills/passives just completely outclass others.
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Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
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ChefZero✭✭✭✭Problem isn't NB. It's the lack of usefull abilities in other classes. For example a defensive dot build could counter a offensive stamina build, but thats not the case, cause dots sucks anyway... ^^PC EU - DC only2 -
Farorin✭✭✭✭✭NB needs no nerfs, some other classes need some buffs, such as DK and templar, but NB needs no nerfing.
STOP THE NERFS! THEY RUIN THIS GAME! On top of that they don't need to nerf everything in order to rebalance classes, they just need to simply rebalance things.1 -
Jar_Ek✭✭✭✭✭I would like to throw a few things into the mix:
1. NBS are powerful atm partly because they have good stamina and magicka builds. They also have a good instant on demand mêlée attack, a zero range empowering gap closer and a disengage mechanism. The power of these together is what makes many NB powerful, esp with fear and various utilities added in. They make good dps, tanks or healers and esp. good at front loaded burst from stealth.
2. Sorcerers are very lopsided in that they have excellent magicka options and very limited stamina options (basically 2hander or go home). This means all the sorcerer unique advantages that everyone talks about are non existent for stamina builds - no shield stacking, no c. frags or v. curse, limited use of bolt escape (can string maybe 2 together at most) and over 50% of the passives are ineffective.
So are NBs OP? Well they are more versatile than most other classes for sure and probably at the top of the pile atm. But I do not really advocate heavy nerfs, maybe a small change to Ambush and Cloak to limit perma-Ambush and perma-cloaking in some way, or simply buff the other classes.0 -
Mojmir✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Buff Templar, 1.5 DK, un-nerf bolt,give NB a decent heal. remove cyro lag,AOE caps, limit group sizes to 6-8, fix BWB.
give khajit claws, give nords something worth drinking for. give argonians scales, and ffs fix all the lag.1 -
Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »Funny thing is when DKs were top there were post similar to this saying "were not OP every one else needs to L2P" only difference is that was back when ZOS actually cared about balancing now they just want ideas for costumes instead of ideas for balancing hence why the NB are OP and have yet to be nerfed.
All you NB can make post and threads about how not OP and every one else just needs to L2P but doesn't change the truth that NB are the most powerful class with some of the most broken and or OP skills (depending on who you ask) and as long as they have that power players will use them abuse them and cause endless imbalancing issues and rage.
Here's a graph if you don't understand.
--> Night blade class (top level divine powers)
--> Sorcerer class (right behind NB maybe a few tweaks here and there)
--> Dragon Knight class (only way to use them in pvp is to exploit broken stuff such as the infa tank build)
--> Templar class (do I really need a reason to explain why there down here?)
Obviously you don't know what you is saying top players in my opinions are usually dk's Templars and sorcs I think the main problem your all having a lot of people rerolled as a nightblade I mean there is two simple ways to stop nightblades det pots and radiant magelight and if you can't slot rm then make det pots I don't even run mark target because how effective det pots are if you all ran det us squishy night blades won't last very long at allSmiff2