I Don't Think Player Housing Should be a DLC.

Mashille · January 2016

I feel that if player housing gets added into the game it should be one of the only ever free content patches.

It just doesn't seem to be something that you should buy as DLC. By all means you can put special house customisation items in the Crown store such as unique furniture etc. But I feel like housing should not be a paid DLC as it doesn't really add 'content' to the game.

Opinions?

Knootewoot · January 2016

BDO is a B2P mmo which has all these features already ingame. No DLC, no Sub-only, no cash-shop only.

No, player housing should not be DLC. It should exist in the base game.

pirate3 · January 2016

I'm not interested in housing so I'd rather it was paid DLC. My reasoning is selfish - the game obviously needs to make money and I'd rather it did so by selling things that other people are willing to pay for.

Dubhliam · January 2016

rant
Why do people always want to avoid paying for content?

Seriously, if there will be only "give free" threads on the forum, the game should have stayed subscription based.
/rant

If it is not actual content, then why does it bother you if you'll need to pay for it?

I always thought Housing would be a DLC, because: cosmetics.

On the other hand, all houses should be available to visit, even the instanced ones.

For example, a guild master would have to buy the DLC to rent a house, but he could organize a guild meeting that everyone in the guild can attend.

daemonios · January 2016

Dubhliam wrote: »

the game should have stayed subscription based.

Agreed.

ShadowDisciple · January 2016

lol even skyrim had a DLC for housing xDD

make it payed ZOS...ill manage to do without a beer or two for the sake of this game xD

Korah_Eaglecry · January 2016

Dubhliam wrote: »

rant
Why do people always want to avoid paying for content?

Seriously, if there will be only "give free" threads on the forum, the game should have stayed subscription based.
/rant

If it is not actual content, then why does it bother you if you'll need to pay for it?

I always thought Housing would be a DLC, because: cosmetics.

On the other hand, all houses should be available to visit, even the instanced ones.

For example, a guild master would have to buy the DLC to rent a house, but he could organize a guild meeting that everyone in the guild can attend.

Unless you were modding you had to buy the Housing DLC for Skyrim. So I too am confused by the notion that Housing in this game should be free.

silky_soft · January 2016

I bet it will be part of the base patch, but recipes and crafting mats will be locked behind dlc and crownstore.

Jura23 · January 2016

I don't care, but I understand why ppl want it free.

But I'm also wondering what would happen if maintaining a house would cost 100 crowns per week. Would all ppl who want houses subscribe? If yes, that would be really good for the game.

Robo_Hobo · January 2016

We bought the game for all of the content it had at the time, expecting them to give us an update that's taken months of development time also for free on top of that is a bit unreasonable. If it were still subscription based, then of course, since the subscription would pay for the developers and resources it took to make it, but as B2P, that payment comes afterwards instead of before/during.

Alorier · January 2016

Housing should be in crown store or eso plus full stop you want this game to develop then gotta pay for it

Mojmir · January 2016

All a house will be is a big bag upgrade,are those free? And as crappy as the devs are they still need to get paid.to argue the housing should have been in the base game,one more bug to iron out.if and when it comes its a luxury,therefore buy it. Imo

Artjuh90 · January 2016

ShadowDisciple wrote: »

lol even skyrim had a DLC for housing xDD

make it payed ZOS...ill manage to do without a bear or two for the sake of this game xD

not entirely true you could buy houses without the hearthome DLC or how it was called. but with the DLC you could buy 3 houses from the ground up

Artjuh90 · January 2016

if they are smart they make housing free and items for in your house crown store items. that would be most profitable i think

Jura23 · January 2016

Artjuh90 wrote: »

if they are smart they make housing free and items for in your house crown store items. that would be most profitable i think

Disagree. Premade crown store housing items is the most boring thing ever. Nobody wants that. What ppl want is to craft and customize stuff for their houses.

Faulgor · January 2016

I'd rather have it as a DLC than having to pay for every nightcase and table in the Crown Store.

Which will happen, of course.

Sausage · January 2016

I agree, I hope housing unlocks at low levels, so it improves the Journey too. Journey needs more meat around its bones, Housing is one way to do it.

Nifty2g · January 2016

its going to be dlc probably because zos need money. they're a business stop asking for free stuff

Browiseth · January 2016

Lucky you then. From what I understand it will be separate from the usual DLC

khele23eb17_ESO · January 2016

Knootewoot wrote: »

BDO is a B2P mmo which has all these features already ingame. No DLC, no Sub-only, no cash-shop only.

No, player housing should not be DLC. It should exist in the base game.

The obvious answer is go play that game then.

If something is delivered as part of the basic game its calculated as part of the initial price. Features that require devs to invest additional time and resources will have to be paid for. Housing requires a lot of time and resources to get right.

Also, Id rather pay for a DLC with access to a fully developed and itemized feature than get a stripped down feature for free and be nickle and dimed for every little item they took out. If its the latter the devs have no choice but make acquiring those items in game as annoying and mind-numbingly boring as possible (to make people buy them with IRL cash). Wheres the fun in that?

Wolfshead · January 2016

Well i dont really care if it is DLC or not but if SWTOR could make Player house "free" in patch i dont see why ZoS cant do same for those both have similar feature only thing that is not the same is that SWTOR is free to download and ESO is B2P.

The SWTOR is sell thing in there ingame store to house and you can always found thing in game so yeah ZoS can learn few thing from BioWare

JD2013 · January 2016

I'm guessing a good chunk of the player housing will be in the DLC's (whatever the DLC will be) base patch. I doubt housing will constitute a whole DLC.

Premium stuff in the crown store.

Tankqull · January 2016

Robo_Hobo wrote: »

We bought the game for all of the content it had at the time, expecting them to give us an update that's taken months of development time also for free on top of that is a bit unreasonable. If it were still subscription based, then of course, since the subscription would pay for the developers and resources it took to make it, but as B2P, that payment comes afterwards instead of before/during.

JD2013 · January 2016

Tankqull wrote: »

Robo_Hobo wrote: »

We bought the game for all of the content it had at the time, expecting them to give us an update that's taken months of development time also for free on top of that is a bit unreasonable. If it were still subscription based, then of course, since the subscription would pay for the developers and resources it took to make it, but as B2P, that payment comes afterwards instead of before/during.

Do you also get the additional topping 2 years plus later, as the makers of the pizza have been working on it for 2 plus years since the base pizza was put out?

Basically that argument is invalid as they spent 7 years on the base game, you pay for the base game. They've been working two years now on additional things and fixes etc. Should we not pay them for those additional two years of work?

Tankqull · January 2016

JD2013 wrote: »

Tankqull wrote: »

Robo_Hobo wrote: »

We bought the game for all of the content it had at the time, expecting them to give us an update that's taken months of development time also for free on top of that is a bit unreasonable. If it were still subscription based, then of course, since the subscription would pay for the developers and resources it took to make it, but as B2P, that payment comes afterwards instead of before/during.

Do you also get the additional topping 2 years plus later, as the makers of the pizza have been working on it for 2 plus years since the base pizza was put out?

Basically that argument is invalid as they spent 7 years on the base game, you pay for the base game. They've been working two years now on additional things and fixes etc. Should we not pay them for those additional two years of work?

well till now everything released as DLC was anounced during beta to be released shortly after game release (including housing towards the end of 2014). nothing anounced to be released till now has not been in the making in may 2014 at the gamcescon announcement by your formulation i allready have payed for it twice by subbing till mai 2015 and buying the game as it was announced to be during beta (including wrothgar, IC, craglorn, the thieves guild and the brotherhood... aswell as housing).
and i do have the feeling that once they reach the point to release true new developments(not in the pipe two years ago) the DLC release timeframe will plummet...

Mojmir · January 2016

Tankqull wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

Tankqull wrote: »

Robo_Hobo wrote: »

We bought the game for all of the content it had at the time, expecting them to give us an update that's taken months of development time also for free on top of that is a bit unreasonable. If it were still subscription based, then of course, since the subscription would pay for the developers and resources it took to make it, but as B2P, that payment comes afterwards instead of before/during.

Do you also get the additional topping 2 years plus later, as the makers of the pizza have been working on it for 2 plus years since the base pizza was put out?

Basically that argument is invalid as they spent 7 years on the base game, you pay for the base game. They've been working two years now on additional things and fixes etc. Should we not pay them for those additional two years of work?

well till now everything released as DLC was anounced during beta to be released shortly after game release (including housing towards the end of 2014). nothing anounced to be released till now has not been in the making in may 2014 at the gamcescon announcement by your formulation i allready have payed for it twice by subbing till mai 2015 and buying the game as it was announced to be during beta (including wrothgar, IC, craglorn, the thieves guild and the brotherhood... aswell as housing).
and i do have the feeling that once they reach the point to release true new developments(not in the pipe two years ago) the DLC release timeframe will plummet...

along those lines....no ETA

Knootewoot · January 2016

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

Knootewoot wrote: »

BDO is a B2P mmo which has all these features already ingame. No DLC, no Sub-only, no cash-shop only.

No, player housing should not be DLC. It should exist in the base game.

The obvious answer is go play that game then.

I will play it when it's out in the EU. Of course i won't quit TESO because i love the PvP here.

But seriously, everything you get charged for in TESO is free in other mmo's even the F2P ones. Of course some have something like "only subbers can rent a house (archeage) or use this and that. But TESO? they even charge you to participate in a Halloween event by selling overpriced skins. While other mmo's have ingame events everyone can participate and get some free stuff.

Of course i understand you "dont get anything for free and why should Zeni give stuff for free" but there is a line where it gets ridiculous. And TESO is already passed that line. Can't fix game but can charge overpriced skins for mounts.

ADarklore · January 2016

Knootewoot wrote: »

But seriously, everything you get charged for in TESO is free in other mmo's even the F2P ones.

Clearly you've never played DCUO... because there you have to have the DLC OR buy your base from the in-game store... nothing is FREE there, and it is a F2P MMO. Also consider this, most of those other MMOs that give things for free have been out for years and already have their initial development costs paid for... so they can afford to give things for free because they are easily sustained by subscriptions or other in-game purchases. It also isn't like giving things for free in ESO is going to suddenly increase the number of players nor do we need to give things for free to keep players, especially those who are unwilling to buy something to help support the game. When you bought the game, you bought what the BASE game offered at the time, and cost the same as other single-player games... and even in single-player games, all future additions have to be purchased separately... an MMO shouldn't be considered any different. Especially since an MMO has continuous development and maintenance costs, a single-player game does not.

Magdalina · January 2016

keybaud wrote: »

I feel that if player housing gets added into the game it should be one of the only ever free content patches.

It just doesn't seem to be something that you should buy as DLC. By all means you can put special house customisation items in the Crown store such as unique furniture etc. But I feel like housing should not be a paid DLC as it doesn't really add 'content' to the game.

Opinions?

The bolded part is precisely why I think housing shouldn't be added at all(I mean, if you're that much into houses, why not just play Sims or something? There's also no sub/crown store there) but I am aware I'm seemingly a minority and a lot of people disagree with me there. So while Zenimax will probably eventually be adding housing they might as well make the people that want it pay for it so maaaaaybe Zeni can actually use that money to hire some devs/programmers/whoever to fix their game and work on actual content(doubtful they'd do that but a girl can dream).

khele23eb17_ESO · January 2016

Knootewoot wrote: »

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

Knootewoot wrote: »

BDO is a B2P mmo which has all these features already ingame. No DLC, no Sub-only, no cash-shop only.

No, player housing should not be DLC. It should exist in the base game.

The obvious answer is go play that game then.

I will play it when it's out in the EU. Of course i won't quit TESO because i love the PvP here.

But seriously, everything you get charged for in TESO is free in other mmo's even the F2P ones. Of course some have something like "only subbers can rent a house (archeage) or use this and that. But TESO? they even charge you to participate in a Halloween event by selling overpriced skins. While other mmo's have ingame events everyone can participate and get some free stuff.

Of course i understand you "dont get anything for free and why should Zeni give stuff for free" but there is a line where it gets ridiculous. And TESO is already passed that line. Can't fix game but can charge overpriced skins for mounts.

Well if they cant make money with cosmetic items and game content expansions... what do you want them to sell? Gear and stats?

I dont mind at all when MMOs sell DLCs with content or separate cosmetic items. I do mind when they start double dipping and sell content that is designed to be so annoying that people feel the need to avoid it and buy rewards from the cash shop. How can such a model result in a fun game? If game studios sell content it should be entertaining, full of features and have rewarding itemization.

JD2013 · January 2016

I really don't get why people want housing so badly.

Yaaaaay you can sit in your own little world space not doing anything! . . .

I mean, for RP purposes I can see that there's some point, but for the most part housing is a dull concept. How'd garrisons go for WoW? Not well, is what I hear a lot of.