"Convenience" items

LindsC · January 2016

So, I keep seeing these posts asking for "convenience items" such as gold in crown store, auto level to v16, certain mats in the crown store, lore book completion in the crown store. Etc. Why do people want items like this?

Personally, I am against this. Why are you for or against it?

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO · January 2016

I'm against it

short Answer, its pay 2 win, and if they want those things, they should play the game for them.

Lil_Willie · January 2016

No pay to win, its bad enough they let PC transfers on here.

#NOETA

VoiDGhOs7 · January 2016

I'm against it

No P2W nuff said.

Enemy-of-Coldharbour · January 2016

I'm against it

I'm against most of the suggested convenience items. Some things just need to be earned. However, if they are going to keep selling motifs then they need to sell the trait material as well (like they do with the Glass motif (malachite)).

RizaHawkeye · January 2016

Other

Normally, I'm against any game functionality that can be achieved by using a credit card. So yeah, I'm against riding lessons, for example.

But Zeni has already opened the door. And even thought they haven't said it, we know what's coming, right?

If Zeni is perfectly willing to sell glass motifs (cosmetic, remember ... right) and riding lessons (cosmetic?) and the experience scrolls, it will only be a matter of time before they sell .... wait for it ....

Champion points. Packs of 10. 1000 crowns.

I hate it ... but I think it's going to happen.

nine9six · January 2016

I'm against it

Play the game.

theher0not · January 2016

I'm against it

If they add it i fear they will make them harder to get without paying real money like mount upgrades (limited to once a day) or bagpack (costs more than its actuall worth) so no. Cosmetics and DLC should be the only thing sold for real money

daemonios · January 2016

I'm against it

I'm against the crown store model, so this was an easy one.

catalyst10e · January 2016

I'm against it

What is the point of paying for a game, and not playing it? Earning your skills is part of that progression, handing off that progression for a quick buck devalues and disrespects the time we all put in to earn our skills/level/title/gold, whatever it was.

Muizer · January 2016

I'm against it

"Convenience" is problematic because it's been defined as things that save people time. Sounds harmless, but it can easily be extended to anything and everything that can be achieved or obtained, reached etc. in the game if you spend enough time. So in that sense what isn't convenience? CP/XP, rare crafting materials, dropped set items, motifs can all be passed off as convience.

Ourorboros · January 2016

Other

Part of me wants to scream, "NO WAY, EARN IT LIKE I DID". And while I really don't understand why anyone would want to skip straight to the end without experiencing the game, I guess if there are players that want this, give it to them. As long as they pay a steep price for it. Even if a fully maxed v16 was offered, it's not really P2W. I would welcome someone new to the game who bought a v16 into Cyrodiil.....easy kill cuz having a high level character is not the same as knowing how to use the skills that come with it. Just make the 'for sale' v16 in a special unchangeable outfit so we can seek them out in PvP and avoid them in Group PvE

. They can support the game financially, and provide a new sport for us.

Recremen · January 2016

If someone wants to drop an absurdly large amount of price-fixed fiat currency Crowns to auto-get a V16 wouldn't really care to be honest. Obviously change that to "insta-level 50" once the vet ranks are removed in Q2 (Q2? I think?). Being at max level is sort of an inevitability that even toddlers could manage with a little direction. Pay To Win stuff would be something more along the lines of insta-champion points (as they take significantly longer to grind for), top-level gear (as they take significantly more skill to obtain, requiring competency in either PvP or PvE plus lots of time investment), and similar things. I wouldn't want gold in the Crown Store, though, nor most crafting mats (motif is fine, maybe even style material, but not tempers, Rubedite, alchemy ingredients, etc). Putting those in would much more easily break the in-game economy, which is something a lot of people care about. Other pay to win things would be stuff like Orbital Cow Laser, an ancient Ayleid device only available in the crown store that insta-wipes an enemy raid.

And let's be honest, an insta-leveled character would be soooooo expensive. You have to figure that they'd calculate how much it would take in XP scrolls and the fastest known grind spots to reach max level, then add the additional convenience of not having to actually grind it up. That sounds like a boatload of money to me, if someone wants to shell it out then be my guest.

tinythinker · January 2016

RizaHawkeye wrote: »

If Zeni is perfectly willing to sell glass motifs (cosmetic, remember ... right) and riding lessons (cosmetic?) and the experience scrolls, it will only be a matter of time before they sell .... wait for it ....

How are motifs anything other than cosmetic? They just change the appearance of your armor.

OmniDevil · January 2016

I'm against it

The current model (current items/goods) as it is is fine. Adding "insta-level", "lorebook completion", "Crowns to Gold" items are definitely p2w and would definitely be a huge decline for the game.

Anything that is not obtainable in-game, but can be purchased from the store is p2w.

Cash Shops are fine, as long as items like this are not implemented. Fancy mount or flashy costume? Great! Instant v16, 300cp or 1 Million Gold, hell no!

LindsC · January 2016

I'm against it

I'm glad to see I am not the only one who doesn't agree with the convenience items

Danikat · January 2016

I'm against it

I don't think it's pay-to-win exactly since you can't get anything in the crown store you can't get in game and many of the things they're selling won't actually help you win anything.

But it does seem like paying to avoid playing the game. Buy scrolls so you need less XP to level up, buy bag and bank upgrades so you don't need to earn gold to get them, buy motifs instead of finding them, and now you can buy werewolf and vampire unlocks instead of getting bitten and doing the quests...

It seems strange to me that anyone would buy a game and then pay more to not play it. You can not play a game for free.

Nestor · January 2016

Other

I bought the Glass Motif simply because after 3 or 4 months I had just 5 Motif Fragments and was never going to get the Motif any other way. Every TES game I have played my characters were in Glass. This weekend I put in the final bag space amounts on my Mules and Master Crafter who has to carry more items, but I was going from 170 to 200 slots total, I had already put the work in in the game to get to 170 slots on all characters, so I felt no guilt for buying the last 3. Besides, I have crowns from ESO Plus I need to spend. I did buy some crowns at the 50% off sale and with the 50% off sale on bag slots, they were really 25% of original price. My thoughts were along the lines of getting Akiviri Motif and that was the reason for the crown purchases. I have yet to get that motif.

Other than that, I tend to buy pets and that is pretty much it. I don't get any of the new mounts, I don't like the Guar or the Bear mounts (too wide and I don't like how the character sits on them)

When I start a new character, I will get to 30 in Speed from the Crown store because a horse is painful to use below that. But, all other upgrades will come from spending gold over time.

nimander99 · January 2016

Other

It would be convenient to just get a Vet 16 501 CP char with every quest and achievement completed plus all gold sets of the best traited gear... yup, that sure would be convenient.

RizaHawkeye · January 2016

Other

tinythinker wrote: »

RizaHawkeye wrote: »

If Zeni is perfectly willing to sell glass motifs (cosmetic, remember ... right) and riding lessons (cosmetic?) and the experience scrolls, it will only be a matter of time before they sell .... wait for it ....

How are motifs anything other than cosmetic? They just change the appearance of your armor.

They are cosmetic. That is what the sentence states. Right??

What else could motifs be? Could they be a commodity to be sold to others in the game? I mean, is it even possible that a motif could be sold for gold in the game?

Nah, you're probably right. They are just cosmetic.

Iluvrien · January 2016

I'm against it

tinythinker wrote: »

RizaHawkeye wrote: »

If Zeni is perfectly willing to sell glass motifs (cosmetic, remember ... right) and riding lessons (cosmetic?) and the experience scrolls, it will only be a matter of time before they sell .... wait for it ....

How are motifs anything other than cosmetic? They just change the appearance of your armor.

This has been dealt with in various other threads. The reason that motifs are something other than purely cosmetic is that they allow you to change the appearance of other people's armour, not just your own. At that point they become a resource that is linked to crafting and the crafting economy.

IrishGirlGamer · January 2016

I'm against it

RizaHawkeye wrote: »

tinythinker wrote: »

RizaHawkeye wrote: »

If Zeni is perfectly willing to sell glass motifs (cosmetic, remember ... right) and riding lessons (cosmetic?) and the experience scrolls, it will only be a matter of time before they sell .... wait for it ....

How are motifs anything other than cosmetic? They just change the appearance of your armor.

They are cosmetic. That is what the sentence states. Right??

What else could motifs be? Could they be a commodity to be sold to others in the game? I mean, is it even possible that a motif could be sold for gold in the game?

Nah, you're probably right. They are just cosmetic.

I was against this at the time they announced it and I'm still against it. At the time, motifs were selling for around 700 gold each. Now what do they sell for? Next to nothing. And specialty motifs?

I think the reason for breaking up the glass and dwemer motifs into parts that are now impossible to find is so they would sell better in the crown store.

Mojmir · January 2016

I don't want to level up

My argument is leveling alts,after 5-6 I'm quite fine if you could make a "advanced" character.but first i think you should have completed all the mandatory quests on another character on your acct.and I'm against auto leveling guild/alliance skills.only the essentials that get u to the last zones.

Voxicity · January 2016

I'm against it

I play an MMO to put thousands of hours into it and slowly make progress. This way, it feels better when I achieve something, even if it's as tiny as a useless achievement. It's what makes MMO's fun, for me at least.

Anilahation · January 2016

I don't want to level up

I want faction and race change because I maxed all professions and got all sky shards on my AD dragon knight but I play Ebonheart pact now.

I really don't want to do all that again when I have a perfect character that I enjoy playing a lot more then my alts.

Dubhliam · January 2016

This poll is biased.

MMO industry is a heavy money-reliant one.

If you think convenience items are P2W, my only thought is this is your first MMO.

Instead of simply giving negative feedback, why don't you give us an example of how should ZOS make money?

If you ran a MMO, and had to earn money to keep it alive and growing, what would you sell?
Subscription is not an option, TESO has been down that road.

Iluvrien · January 2016

I'm against it

Dubhliam wrote: »

If you think convenience items are P2W, my only thought is this is your first MMO.

My third actually. Both of my previous ones went F2P, so I have seen this kind of business before. That said, I think the "convenience" items in the Crown Store aren't P2W as per the strict definition of the term... they are just deeply distasteful.

Dubhliam wrote: »

Instead of simply giving negative feedback, why don't you give us an example of how should ZOS make money?

You mean the suggests that people have been making since the B2P announcement? Here's one; make subbing an option that is enticing rather than pointless (and I say that as someone who has an unbroken sub since PC early access), and then top up using cosmetic shinies and DLCs bought from the crown store.

Contriving changes in mechanics to artificially increase the difficulty of obtaining items just to drive crown store sales? A cheap trick that should be, but unfortunately isn't, unworthy of ZOS and this MMORPG. Yes, motifs, I am looking at you.

RAGUNAnoOne · January 2016

I'm against it

Hell I am against the horse upgrades they already have it ruins my morale to get it up for eventual PvP when some Richie (or Richina) Rich can just spend cash that I need to save to max it in a day.

Dubhliam · January 2016

Iluvrien wrote: »

Dubhliam wrote: »

If you think convenience items are P2W, my only thought is this is your first MMO.

My third actually. Both of my previous ones went F2P, so I have seen this kind of business before. That said, I think the "convenience" items in the Crown Store aren't P2W as per the strict definition of the term... they are just deeply distasteful.

Dubhliam wrote: »

Instead of simply giving negative feedback, why don't you give us an example of how should ZOS make money?

You mean the suggests that people have been making since the B2P announcement? Here's one; make subbing an option that is enticing rather than pointless (and I say that as someone who has an unbroken sub since PC early access), and then top up using cosmetic shinies and DLCs bought from the crown store.

Contriving changes in mechanics to artificially increase the difficulty of obtaining items just to drive crown store sales? A cheap trick that should be, but unfortunately isn't, unworthy of ZOS and this MMORPG. Yes, motifs, I am looking at you.

I have also noticed that about the motifs.
But hey, if motifs aren't convenience, what the hell is?

I say, let them earn money off of motifs. Does not hurt players. I for one am a 9 trait crafter and I could care less if somebody paid $ for their motifs.
It's not like people make gold ingame out of crafting.

Iluvrien · January 2016

I'm against it

Dubhliam wrote: »

Iluvrien wrote: »

Dubhliam wrote: »

If you think convenience items are P2W, my only thought is this is your first MMO.

My third actually. Both of my previous ones went F2P, so I have seen this kind of business before. That said, I think the "convenience" items in the Crown Store aren't P2W as per the strict definition of the term... they are just deeply distasteful.

Dubhliam wrote: »

Instead of simply giving negative feedback, why don't you give us an example of how should ZOS make money?

You mean the suggests that people have been making since the B2P announcement? Here's one; make subbing an option that is enticing rather than pointless (and I say that as someone who has an unbroken sub since PC early access), and then top up using cosmetic shinies and DLCs bought from the crown store.

Contriving changes in mechanics to artificially increase the difficulty of obtaining items just to drive crown store sales? A cheap trick that should be, but unfortunately isn't, unworthy of ZOS and this MMORPG. Yes, motifs, I am looking at you.

I have also noticed that about the motifs.
But hey, if motifs aren't convenience, what the hell is?

I say, let them earn money off of motifs. Does not hurt players. I for one am a 9 trait crafter and I could care less if somebody paid $ for their motifs.
It's not like people make gold ingame out of crafting.

I did make gold that way. I had repeat customers who would come to me to gear up not only their main characters, but sometimes 3-4 alts as well. Over a period of months. I was a 9 trait crafter who had every motif other than imperial and would go the extra mile to provide my goods cheaply (and with considerable convenience) to my customers. Motifs came in? I've had 2 orders since. Yeah.... this change didn't hurt players at all. *sigh*

FortheloveofKrist · January 2016

tinythinker wrote: »

RizaHawkeye wrote: »

If Zeni is perfectly willing to sell glass motifs (cosmetic, remember ... right) and riding lessons (cosmetic?) and the experience scrolls, it will only be a matter of time before they sell .... wait for it ....

How are motifs anything other than cosmetic? They just change the appearance of your armor.

Cause it alters the economy when the most rare motifs are for sale in the CS.

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