"L2P Or Roll a Nightblade" (PvP)

Ragnaroek93 · January 2016

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Kryank wrote: »

Sustain builds can be achieved with any stam class though, the use of regen armour such as willows will allow you to maintain high levels of regen and then achieve high enough weapon damage, this is not just a NB specific armour set or skills for that matter, your max Stam pool will be lower but i know that I would rather fight a glass canon squishy build than a Impen stacked sustain / regen heavy build.

But it's a lot easier with a nb, templar/dk/sorc have to use willows for that 15% regen where as nb's have that as a passive and they can use hundings for 300~ unbuffed wpn dmg, crit and max stamina.

Redguard OP posts incoming!

Tavore1138 · January 2016

Rylana wrote: »

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

Ampnode wrote: »

ShadowDisciple wrote: »

crows descend...if you actually put in as much hours into game as you put on this forum maybe by now you would learn to play and counter silly nightblades and WB spammers

Guide on how to counter a teleporting gap closer that gives empower to an 8K insta-DPS or 10K+ 50 cost ulti, please.

Use block.

Run inpenetrable.

Shields, potions and heals.

Decent armour.

You cant block fear, and a good stamblade can pop 3 mega hard hitting attacks (charged heavy anim canceled by the fear open, SA, ult) in the 1/2 second it takes you to CC break. If it takes more time to CC break than that you were dead anyway.

Impen will not save you from a high damage specced stam NB (especially one that intentionally gets their crit percent as low as possible so they can bypass your cheese - seriously impen is overrated and only works vs bads). Any NB that can kill a shield stack sorc, will easily kill an impen cheeser.

Heal debuffs built right in to the class, pop that pot, thats one more SA with a light attack cancel after the ulti, shields (see impen, lawl)

Armor? What is armor? Running around with 15k armor pen baby, better be in 7 heavy or youre just naked.

I know OP was being semi-sarcastic, and there are a lot of sarcastic posts in this thread, but mine is serious. Stamblades are ridiculously overpowered and have been for some time. I barely play mine anymore, because its just "pick who i want dead" and unless I screw up or pick a really unlucky target with a buncha friends, its 2 seconds, 900 AP, clean escape every time. If i die five times my session ends, and ive had over 600 kills on 5 deaths in a session within the last couple months. (was also my record killstreak in that session, 323 with 291 KBS)

Its kinda funny though, my most killed class? Other stamblades, because i roll detect pots constantly and catch em prowling. Like an attack sub.

The only "complaint" i would even have would be how soul harvest needs a few point in Theurma, since its a magic damage attack, but even then, its just another 10-12k instablast with a healcut on top of that, so really, making it physical damage would be ridiculous.

You can't block fear but at the time no-one had mentioned fear so wasn't responding to it - immovable pots or skill will sort that though and lets face it Immovable pots are becoming pretty much a standard requirement in RvR these days.

All my suggestions were about mitigating that burst kill - and even then it's not going to save your behind from a top 5% NB but it will save you from 80% of them and give you a shot at another 15%... after that burst it really is all about choices, skill, luck and what skills/gear you have slotted yourself.

My main is, and always has been, a stamblade and other stamblades are not who I fear most in PvP - for me builds that can choke stamina are death, WB can be far more effective than the hardest SA and I die a lot more to meteors than I do to the Assassinate ulti... not to mention a top end magicka build with Proxy Det getting AOE hits higher than I can do single target.

It's a good class but it is not unbeatable nor is it the best build out there - the main issue is that NBs are frustrating to fight. If they work right they can kill very fast - and everyone remembers the 5 times they died in 3 seconds and forgets the 10 times they fought back and survived - human nature. Same with escaping - people remember the damn cloaking/rolling NB who got away and forget the other 20 they and their mates left smeared across the battlefield.

I have no reason to doubt your experiences because I have played with and against some NBs who really are that good - but they are the outliers - the rest of us normal folks kill some and die some just like it's meant to be, and you shouldn't be judging a game by the 5% but by the 95%.

leepalmer95 · January 2016

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

Ampnode wrote: »

ShadowDisciple wrote: »

crows descend...if you actually put in as much hours into game as you put on this forum maybe by now you would learn to play and counter silly nightblades and WB spammers

Guide on how to counter a teleporting gap closer that gives empower to an 8K insta-DPS or 10K+ 50 cost ulti, please.

Use block.

Run inpenetrable.

Shields, potions and heals.

Decent armour.

You cant block fear, and a good stamblade can pop 3 mega hard hitting attacks (charged heavy anim canceled by the fear open, SA, ult) in the 1/2 second it takes you to CC break. If it takes more time to CC break than that you were dead anyway.

Impen will not save you from a high damage specced stam NB (especially one that intentionally gets their crit percent as low as possible so they can bypass your cheese - seriously impen is overrated and only works vs bads). Any NB that can kill a shield stack sorc, will easily kill an impen cheeser.

Heal debuffs built right in to the class, pop that pot, thats one more SA with a light attack cancel after the ulti, shields (see impen, lawl)

Armor? What is armor? Running around with 15k armor pen baby, better be in 7 heavy or youre just naked.

I know OP was being semi-sarcastic, and there are a lot of sarcastic posts in this thread, but mine is serious. Stamblades are ridiculously overpowered and have been for some time. I barely play mine anymore, because its just "pick who i want dead" and unless I screw up or pick a really unlucky target with a buncha friends, its 2 seconds, 900 AP, clean escape every time. If i die five times my session ends, and ive had over 600 kills on 5 deaths in a session within the last couple months. (was also my record killstreak in that session, 323 with 291 KBS)

Its kinda funny though, my most killed class? Other stamblades, because i roll detect pots constantly and catch em prowling. Like an attack sub.

The only "complaint" i would even have would be how soul harvest needs a few point in Theurma, since its a magic damage attack, but even then, its just another 10-12k instablast with a healcut on top of that, so really, making it physical damage would be ridiculous.

You can't block fear but at the time no-one had mentioned fear so wasn't responding to it - immovable pots or skill will sort that though and lets face it Immovable pots are becoming pretty much a standard requirement in RvR these days.

All my suggestions were about mitigating that burst kill - and even then it's not going to save your behind from a top 5% NB but it will save you from 80% of them and give you a shot at another 15%... after that burst it really is all about choices, skill, luck and what skills/gear you have slotted yourself.

My main is, and always has been, a stamblade and other stamblades are not who I fear most in PvP - for me builds that can choke stamina are death, WB can be far more effective than the hardest SA and I die a lot more to meteors than I do to the Assassinate ulti... not to mention a top end magicka build with Proxy Det getting AOE hits higher than I can do single target.

It's a good class but it is not unbeatable nor is it the best build out there - the main issue is that NBs are frustrating to fight. If they work right they can kill very fast - and everyone remembers the 5 times they died in 3 seconds and forgets the 10 times they fought back and survived - human nature. Same with escaping - people remember the damn cloaking/rolling NB who got away and forget the other 20 they and their mates left smeared across the battlefield.

I have no reason to doubt your experiences because I have played with and against some NBs who really are that good - but they are the outliers - the rest of us normal folks kill some and die some just like it's meant to be, and you shouldn't be judging a game by the 5% but by the 95%.

I must be running into the 5% a lot. The assassination ult isn't a finisher you use that at the beginning of the burst...

Even if your tried to mitigate to the fullest you'll only be able to take 1 more 8k SA and take 4 instead of 3 hits to take down.

Lava_Croft · January 2016

Rolled alt because PvP broken and 90% of the time is spent fighting absolutely terrible Nightblades.

All the people dying to these terrible Nightblades are just as much scrubs as the terrible Nightblades themselves.

Forestd16b14_ESO · January 2016

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Funny but magicka NB are the OP one...... Correction NB in general.

Screw the rules they have night blades.

Also all this junk about stamina builds and all that it's not cause of the class it is wrecking blow that is all these OP "stamina builds" are is just WB spam.

My StamBlade doesnt run WB. It uses two handed for another reason though.

Too screw the rulez?

ShadowDisciple · January 2016

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Rolled alt because PvP broken and 90% of the time is spent fighting absolutely terrible Nightblades.

All the people dying to these terrible Nightblades are just as much scrubs as the terrible Nightblades themselves.

+1000

Decayed_Inside · January 2016

Sausage wrote: »

Imagine what this forum looks like when they add the Arena. Rift 2.0, never ending whining, monthy balance patches, forum is just another battleground for trolling and griefing. Nightblade is DPS class, so we should remove DPS from the trinity right? All you need to dodge roll away from it or block.

Yeah they may as well cancel arenas because the QQ is already too hard on this site. These whiners can't handle arenas

Molag_Crow · January 2016

You know what tho, I'm being serious, NBs are so overpowered it's unreal.

Molag_Crow · January 2016

But with that said, I believe Templars and Magicka DK's need a buff in PvP. Defense-wise especially.... what's blazing shield even there for? it's useless now... *sigh*

Lava_Croft · January 2016

CrowsDescend wrote: »

But with that said, I believe Templars and Magicka DK's need a buff in PvP. Defense-wise especially.... what's blazing shield even there for? it's useless now... *sigh*

Yeah, Templars are seriously lacking in defense right now, Breath of Life is so weak!

SemiD4rkness · January 2016

Lava_Croft wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

But with that said, I believe Templars and Magicka DK's need a buff in PvP. Defense-wise especially.... what's blazing shield even there for? it's useless now... *sigh*

Yeah, Templars are seriously lacking in defense right now, Breath of Life is so weak!

3k heal as stamina templar so OP.

Zinaroth · January 2016

CrowsDescend wrote: »

Hi. Here's some advice if you plan on taking part in the Alliance War; PvP, especially if you're new!

Make a Nightblade. It's that simple, preferably Stamina. You won't even have to think about damage, CC and survivability because you can use 1-2 buttons for instant damage, which requires no channel time, and if you're in trouble, just use cloak and go invisible, and make sure to spam Mass Hysteria in your rotation and of course, you can use Wrecking Blow too because that's a brilliant move for those with no skill.

Thank me later

Why would you use Wrecking Blow when Surprise Attack is instant cast and applies Major Breach?

L2P noob!

ShadowDisciple wrote: »

crows descend...if you actually put in as much hours into game as you put on this forum maybe by now you would learn to play and counter silly nightblades and WB spammers

He plays a Templar mainly, no chance.

Jura23 · January 2016

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Rolled alt because PvP broken and 90% of the time is spent fighting absolutely terrible Nightblades.

All the people dying to these terrible Nightblades are just as much scrubs as the terrible Nightblades themselves.

Very true. NB has an ability to give you close to no chance, but how many do it? In my opinion 1 in 20 or so.

MrGigglypants · January 2016

Asmodean wrote: »

This is unfortunately the case with almost every MMO these days.

The whole combat mechanics of these games seem to soley focus on stopping caster / magic damage. And ignoring physical/melee. Such as interupts, silences, etc, etc.

Not only this, but typically the physical-based damage dealers have a much easier time actually getting off their damage, which even hits for as much, if not higher than casted abilities.

This backwards trend has been like this for a few years in games now. I quite like having to work to get my kb's, etc. But it's always frustrating to see phys-based, or melee DD classes always seem to have to put in a fraction of the work for the same, or better results.

Edit: I'm not really singling out ESO here, btw. I mean, it applies to this too, but I meant in general.

It's the opposite in pve

Molag_Crow · January 2016

Lava_Croft wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

But with that said, I believe Templars and Magicka DK's need a buff in PvP. Defense-wise especially.... what's blazing shield even there for? it's useless now... *sigh*

Yeah, Templars are seriously lacking in defense right now, Breath of Life is so weak!

It actually is in comparison to damage output by a NB, unless your weapon damage is too weak hm?

leepalmer95 · January 2016

CrowsDescend wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

But with that said, I believe Templars and Magicka DK's need a buff in PvP. Defense-wise especially.... what's blazing shield even there for? it's useless now... *sigh*

Yeah, Templars are seriously lacking in defense right now, Breath of Life is so weak!

It actually is in comparison to damage output by a NB, unless your weapon damage is too weak hm?

I can outheal dmg on my templar. Though those Ambush - MA/ Soul harvest - Fear - MA/SA still kill me because i can even break free.

Molag_Crow · January 2016

leepalmer95 wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

But with that said, I believe Templars and Magicka DK's need a buff in PvP. Defense-wise especially.... what's blazing shield even there for? it's useless now... *sigh*

Yeah, Templars are seriously lacking in defense right now, Breath of Life is so weak!

It actually is in comparison to damage output by a NB, unless your weapon damage is too weak hm?

I can outheal dmg on my templar. Though those Ambush - MA/ Soul harvest - Fear - MA/SA still kill me because i can even break free.

Me too, but if the NB is slightly smart, they can get you below 50% HP, fear you, and by the time you can even react to break free, they've got you. Like that combo you've just explained... yeah

leepalmer95 · January 2016

CrowsDescend wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

But with that said, I believe Templars and Magicka DK's need a buff in PvP. Defense-wise especially.... what's blazing shield even there for? it's useless now... *sigh*

Yeah, Templars are seriously lacking in defense right now, Breath of Life is so weak!

It actually is in comparison to damage output by a NB, unless your weapon damage is too weak hm?

I can outheal dmg on my templar. Though those Ambush - MA/ Soul harvest - Fear - MA/SA still kill me because i can even break free.

Me too, but if the NB is slightly smart, they can get you below 50% HP, fear you, and by the time you can even react to break free, they've got you. Like that combo you've just explained... yeah

^^ Yep, no other class can do that burst dmg to me and i can't react

even sorc, i can block/reflect/cleanse a sorc burst.

Molag_Crow · January 2016

leepalmer95 wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

But with that said, I believe Templars and Magicka DK's need a buff in PvP. Defense-wise especially.... what's blazing shield even there for? it's useless now... *sigh*

Yeah, Templars are seriously lacking in defense right now, Breath of Life is so weak!

It actually is in comparison to damage output by a NB, unless your weapon damage is too weak hm?

I can outheal dmg on my templar. Though those Ambush - MA/ Soul harvest - Fear - MA/SA still kill me because i can even break free.

Me too, but if the NB is slightly smart, they can get you below 50% HP, fear you, and by the time you can even react to break free, they've got you. Like that combo you've just explained... yeah

^^ Yep, no other class can do that burst dmg to me and i can't react even sorc, i can block/reflect/cleanse a sorc burst.

True that... love reflecting a hard hitting crystal frag haha

Purdomination33 · January 2016

Personally I run a Stam DK as my main and leveled up a Stam Nightblade for the hell of it. 90% of my time in Cyrodil is with the DK. Part of me simply refuses to run the NB out there because I feel like such an unoriginal ass.

*This is not a nerf request simply a description of my nightly venture in Cyrodil*

As a DK I need to spend an inordinate amount of resources in order to simply find the enemy NB's and keep a visual on them during a fight. You hear people say, "Just use your AoE and CC". OK....what AoE has a 365 degree radius that extends 20 meters? Of course there isn't one and for good reason. So, in a huge open field I have to somehow have enough resources to spam some sort of AoE yet have enough resources leftover to fight back when the UNBLOCKABLE Ambush/Lotus Fan etc. comes flying at me. Not feasible. Generally I don't even bother with Talons or Petrify, those are broken in 1/4 of a second. Besides how often do you actually encounter 1 single NB? CC works on 1 guy, not 3.

My other option is to use detection potions which I use an absolute ton. So you play in Cyrodil for a few hours, do you have any idea how many potions you go through in that time span? 1 potion lasts 45 seconds. Obviously you are not in combat at all times but since the enemy is freaking invisible...and the entire point of the potion is to find invisible enemies...you have to use them when riding from keep to keep. My NB has now turned into my Potions "female dog". Leveled him up in Alchemy for the sole purpose of creating detection potions. Once again more resources (my actual valuable time) spent to counter 1 skill.

When I run my Stam NB I realize how I literally have to do NOTHING to counter anyone else. Everyone has to adjust to me. I do what I want and make others adjust. Just like in any sport, if you are able to set the pace of play and make the opponent adjust their play style to yours then you are in a much more dominant position.

In the end my Stam DK is set up to purely counter NB's. I can endure the first initial attack (generally) and fight back. 1 v 1 I like my chances. 1 vs. X not so much which is fine. It would be nice to have a few DK skills that can create enough damage to justify a slot on my skill bar. There really is not one. Only DK skills I use are shield types. Which is why winning a 1vX battle is very very difficult.

In my head I have a little lottery game where if I see a death recap without any combo of Ambush/Lotus Fan/Surprise Attack/Swallow Soul, my death dealer wins a prize. That prize is getting pretty big these days!

NeilBongStrong · January 2016

Just make stealth damage deal 50% less and give everyone the option to obtain the Mark ability.

Dreyloch · January 2016

CrowsDescend wrote: »

Hi. Here's some advice if you plan on taking part in the Alliance War; PvP, especially if you're new!

Make a Nightblade. It's that simple, preferably Stamina. You won't even have to think about damage, CC and survivability because you can use 1-2 buttons for instant damage, which requires no channel time, and if you're in trouble, just use cloak and go invisible, and make sure to spam Mass Hysteria in your rotation and of course, you can use Wrecking Blow too because that's a brilliant move for those with no skill.

Thank me later

I know your kidding and all, but When you can finish off a kill quest for NB's just as fast as plain ol' enemy players? Then the amount of NB's... is too damn high!!! /removes white gloves, /mic drop

Molag_Crow · January 2016

Dreyloch wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

Hi. Here's some advice if you plan on taking part in the Alliance War; PvP, especially if you're new!

Make a Nightblade. It's that simple, preferably Stamina. You won't even have to think about damage, CC and survivability because you can use 1-2 buttons for instant damage, which requires no channel time, and if you're in trouble, just use cloak and go invisible, and make sure to spam Mass Hysteria in your rotation and of course, you can use Wrecking Blow too because that's a brilliant move for those with no skill.

Thank me later

I know your kidding and all, but When you can finish off a kill quest for NB's just as fast as plain ol' enemy players? Then the amount of NB's... is too damn high!!! /removes white gloves, /mic drop

I shall get on the phone and call Khajiit the Bounty Hunter to get his team to round up these Nightblade criminals before they spread throughout Nirn.

Resipsa131 · January 2016

NeilBongStrong wrote: »

Just make stealth damage deal 50% less and give everyone the option to obtain the Mark ability.

Just give everyone cloak, and give NB a damageshield based off magicka or stamina in its place. Then everyone runs cloak for a while until everyone runs radiant magelight to decrease the damage from stealth and everyone runs detect pots or any of the 20 other counters until everyone gets good at countering and then nobody runs it.

NeilBongStrong · January 2016

im good with that.