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"L2P Or Roll a Nightblade" (PvP)
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✭SemiD4rkness wrote: »I really hope they nerf nightblades to the ground. We will see whos gonna have to l2p then.
When they nerf NB you will say Sorc, and than the circle of Nerfs will come, endless BS.
Rather than screaming prepare ZOS to fix the horse pie LAG.Edited by Malmai on January 17, 2016 8:06AM -
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✭✭ShadowDisciple wrote: »crows descend...if you actually put in as much hours into game as you put on this forum maybe by now you would learn to play and counter silly nightblades and WB spammers
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✭✭CrowsDescend wrote: »ShadowDisciple wrote: »crows descend...if you actually put in as much hours into game as you put on this forum maybe by now you would learn to play and counter silly nightblades and WB spammers
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✭✭SuraklinPrime wrote: »ShadowDisciple wrote: »crows descend...if you actually put in as much hours into game as you put on this forum maybe by now you would learn to play and counter silly nightblades and WB spammers
Guide on how to counter a teleporting gap closer that gives empower to an 8K insta-DPS or 10K+ 50 cost ulti, please.
Use block.
Run inpenetrable.
Shields, potions and heals.
Decent armour.
Use block? Yeah, lemme just drain my stam pool out blocking an ability that's insta-cast and near impossible to see coming because of animation canceling.
Run impen? I run full impen with 10% into crit resist and still receive 6-8K surprise attacks.
Shields, potions, and heals? I'm a stam DK, so I have no shields. I can only use a pot every 45 seconds. My class only comes with a heal that heals for 2.8K at 14% health left, and my other means of healing is HoT.
Decent armor? Not sure what that means. Are you implying I should wear heavy armor? The type of armor that gives no sustain for resource pools and barely makes a difference because of stacked weapon/critical damage?
2/10 guide for countering a NB. Go back and revise this, please.
Well if you are not willing to block incoming damage it seems foolish to complain about getting it. I'm not fond of the no regeneration while blocking mechanic, I think it was a silly attempt to solve a problem that has utterly failed to solve the problem it was supposed to solve - but you still need to use block when getting attacked.
6-8k Surprise Attacks from someone maxing out stamina and weapon damage seems reasonable - I see that from SA as well as many other damage abilities and up to double that from Proxy Dets.
If you are a stam build consider Vigour, it is well worth the effort. Slot immovable/Health/Stamina potions - you can get resource back plus you've got 15 secs of time when a lot of the CC won't hit you.
Heavy is an option but probably not a great one - but for stamina running 5/1/1 or 5/2 with heavy as the chest adds a useful ammount of armour and if you have dauntless at level 9 drops some extra resource pool as well.
All of this will help your chance to survive, none of it is going to make you win 100% o0f encounters with a NB or any other class - I don't know how skilled a PvP you are but it is probably that there are better players, some will be NBs and even if you are one of the best there will still be times you lose.GM - Malazan
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✭✭✭✭✭SuraklinPrime wrote: »ShadowDisciple wrote: »crows descend...if you actually put in as much hours into game as you put on this forum maybe by now you would learn to play and counter silly nightblades and WB spammers
Guide on how to counter a teleporting gap closer that gives empower to an 8K insta-DPS or 10K+ 50 cost ulti, please.
Use block.
Run inpenetrable.
Shields, potions and heals.
Decent armour.
You cant block fear, and a good stamblade can pop 3 mega hard hitting attacks (charged heavy anim canceled by the fear open, SA, ult) in the 1/2 second it takes you to CC break. If it takes more time to CC break than that you were dead anyway.
Impen will not save you from a high damage specced stam NB (especially one that intentionally gets their crit percent as low as possible so they can bypass your cheese - seriously impen is overrated and only works vs bads). Any NB that can kill a shield stack sorc, will easily kill an impen cheeser.
Heal debuffs built right in to the class, pop that pot, thats one more SA with a light attack cancel after the ulti, shields (see impen, lawl)
Armor? What is armor? Running around with 15k armor pen baby, better be in 7 heavy or youre just naked.
I know OP was being semi-sarcastic, and there are a lot of sarcastic posts in this thread, but mine is serious. Stamblades are ridiculously overpowered and have been for some time. I barely play mine anymore, because its just "pick who i want dead" and unless I screw up or pick a really unlucky target with a buncha friends, its 2 seconds, 900 AP, clean escape every time. If i die five times my session ends, and ive had over 600 kills on 5 deaths in a session within the last couple months. (was also my record killstreak in that session, 323 with 291 KBS)
Its kinda funny though, my most killed class? Other stamblades, because i roll detect pots constantly and catch em prowling. Like an attack sub.
The only "complaint" i would even have would be how soul harvest needs a few point in Theurma, since its a magic damage attack, but even then, its just another 10-12k instablast with a healcut on top of that, so really, making it physical damage would be ridiculous.Edited by Rylana on January 17, 2016 10:39AM@rylanadionysis == Closed Beta Tester October 2013 == Retired October 2016 == Uninstalled @ One Tamriel Release == Inactive Indefinitely
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KanedaSyndrome✭✭✭✭I've rolled a Stamina NB (Imperial)
Am currently level 25 and it already feels like an automatic win button.
Really enjoying playing him though.
Got a NB bow-stam, and yes, it feels like an "I win" button when leveling. Public dungeon packs never even reach me before they're dead, in spite of them being 6-8 in packs.KanedaSyndrome's Suggestions For Game Improvements
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ShadowDisciple✭✭✭✭SemiD4rkness wrote: »I really hope they nerf nightblades to the ground. We will see whos gonna have to l2p then.
nab i played stam nighblade when it was ***-poor... i bet you dont even know that half of NB's abilities did not have stamina morph at all...and i always had a very good time with it and very nice performance out if it...
Sorc are the OP class right know if you really want it...thats why im lvling one lol
But i like the Rogue classes so im sticking to my NB probably...or going DK cuz i like those too...
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ShadowDisciple✭✭✭✭mdylan2013 wrote: »ShadowDisciple wrote: »crows descend...if you actually put in as much hours into game as you put on this forum maybe by now you would learn to play and counter silly nightblades and WB spammers
I've seen him play, he's awesome and a respected player on our server.
Yea sry bro but PS4 (or consoles) generally isnt a good place to balance classes... mmo's are kinda PC thing and since your thumbsticks doesent allow you to move as freely as keyboard + mouse you run itno some problems like WB spam etc.
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✭Ive played Cyrodil like 2-3 week now.. Im pretty sure all the NB whining comes from the fact, siege dmg has been nerfed and also I could be wrong but I think Templars heals more too, or theres more healing in the game generally, so basically glasscannons has easy time now. I think Zen should think more carefully what kind of changes they do, because everything affects on everything.Edited by Sausage on January 17, 2016 11:19AM -
Kryank✭✭✭Any glass cannon stam class can hit hard, however they melt like butter, when people stop running max stat and spell / weapon damage builds they will start to see a massive result in your survivability and as a result you kill people more, to be successful you need to balance your build. I love glass canon builds as if they don't kill you instantly they panicked and they are an easy kill. I regularly kill gankers and win small 1 v X. I run a stam NB but don't run glass canon and I am a vamp so I have weeknesses. Run at least 3 impen, have at least 20 k health unbuffed, have good regen and around 3k weapon damage, and you are golden. My steam pool is only 23.5k but with 2700 stam regen it's not an issue.
The high weapon damage meta is great as there is a lot of easy AP to farm :-).Edited by Kryank on January 17, 2016 11:32AM'I am not entering into a battle of wits with a man who is clearly unarmed'
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leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Any glass cannon stam class can hit hard, however they melt like butter, when people stop running max stat and spell / weapon damage builds they will start to see a massive result in your survivability and as a result you kill people more, to be successful you need to balance your build. I love glass canon builds as if they don't kill you instantly they panicked and they are an easy kill. I regularly kill gankers and win small 1 v X. I run a stam NB but don't run glass canon and I am a vamp so I have weeknesses. Run at least 3 impen, have at least 20 k health unbuffed, have good regen and around 3k weapon damage, and you are golden. My steam pool is only 23.5k but with 2700 star regen it's not an issue.
The high weapon damage meta is great as there is a lot of easy AP to farm :-).
20k hp and a vamp is still a glass cannon.
23.5k and 3k wpn dmg is low for a stam nb, can easily get 2.5k+ regen with 3.5k wpn dmg and 30k stamina.PS4 EU DC
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Kryank✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »Any glass cannon stam class can hit hard, however they melt like butter, when people stop running max stat and spell / weapon damage builds they will start to see a massive result in your survivability and as a result you kill people more, to be successful you need to balance your build. I love glass canon builds as if they don't kill you instantly they panicked and they are an easy kill. I regularly kill gankers and win small 1 v X. I run a stam NB but don't run glass canon and I am a vamp so I have weeknesses. Run at least 3 impen, have at least 20 k health unbuffed, have good regen and around 3k weapon damage, and you are golden. My steam pool is only 23.5k but with 2700 star regen it's not an issue.
The high weapon damage meta is great as there is a lot of easy AP to farm :-).
20k hp and a vamp is still a glass cannon.
23.5k and 3k wpn dmg is low for a stam nb, can easily get 2.5k+ regen with 3.5k wpn dmg and 30k stamina.
I also have 1.9k magicka regen and 1.8k health regen (in stage 1vamp), as we depend on a lot of magicika skills, when I am buffed with rally etc my weapon damage is higher and more than plenty to be effective.
If I am in my gank build (hundings) then I have over 4K weapon damage and over 30k stamina. But the balanced build if far more effective.
Just my opinion but what ever works for you.Edited by Kryank on January 17, 2016 11:42AM'I am not entering into a battle of wits with a man who is clearly unarmed'
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Sausage✭✭✭✭✭
✭Bring back the siege dmg, its much better people hate siege dmg, than classes, not to mention everybody has access to siege weapons so they can choose to use it or not. This was the original plan too, stick to it.
Id prefer thousand time more if hate goes to universal siege weapons, than some classes or specific builds.Edited by Sausage on January 17, 2016 11:51AM -
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✭leepalmer95 wrote: »Any glass cannon stam class can hit hard, however they melt like butter, when people stop running max stat and spell / weapon damage builds they will start to see a massive result in your survivability and as a result you kill people more, to be successful you need to balance your build. I love glass canon builds as if they don't kill you instantly they panicked and they are an easy kill. I regularly kill gankers and win small 1 v X. I run a stam NB but don't run glass canon and I am a vamp so I have weeknesses. Run at least 3 impen, have at least 20 k health unbuffed, have good regen and around 3k weapon damage, and you are golden. My steam pool is only 23.5k but with 2700 star regen it's not an issue.
The high weapon damage meta is great as there is a lot of easy AP to farm :-).
20k hp and a vamp is still a glass cannon.
23.5k and 3k wpn dmg is low for a stam nb, can easily get 2.5k+ regen with 3.5k wpn dmg and 30k stamina.
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✭✭✭SemiD4rkness wrote: »I really hope they nerf nightblades to the ground. We will see whos gonna have to l2p then.
You'll just go on to complaining endlessly about Stamina DK's. Who are about as strong as NB's currently when built and played correctly.
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✭✭✭SemiD4rkness wrote: »SemiD4rkness wrote: »SemiD4rkness wrote: »SemiD4rkness wrote: »I really hope they nerf nightblades to the ground. We will see whos gonna have to l2p then.
You'll just go on to complaining endlessly about Stamina DK's. Who are about as strong as NB's currently when built and played correctly.
At least playing a stam DK takes some skill. Also if the fight goes my way he'll stay and fight til he dies not try to escape a 1v1 like a ***.
So which is it? If they take no skill then they should be easily rofl-stomping you. If they have to run when losing, that implies they're not as tough as you profess, since they are losing enough that you'll whine about their escape capabilities.
I have a sneaking suspicion likely just not as good at PVP as you'd like to be, and as a coping mechanism you band-wagon complain.
Ok I get it you play a nightblade and you don't want your class to be nerfed.
Take a look at your passives and also the amount of buffs/debuffs almost all of your abilities have. Now add cloak, best escape tool in the game, I know sometimes it's easy to counter but it still is the best escape in the game. No excuses sir and you'll see im right when in the next update NBs gets nerfed to the ground.
I play a Stamina NB, Magicka and Stamina DK, Magicka Sorc, and Magicka Templar. I started with a Stamblade because I always roll the rogue/assassin/ninja archtype in RPG's first, and often prefer weapon based/melee classes over magic ones. However I also like to diversify, and to be able to full multiple rolls.
I don't want Nightblade nerfed into the ground because that would be the beginning of a long, and unwarranted cycle of nerfing everything else. As well as the best way to ensure that classes don't have their issues actually addressed.
Nightblades aren't going to be nerfed into the ground, and even if they were it wouldn't fix your issue. I'm willing to wager this is one of the first major games you focused on PVP. Thus the majority of your issues stem from a lack of the mindset needed for PVP gaming.
Well DKs got nerfed to the ground according to a lot of people and look at them now without any direct buffs they're the strongest 1v1 class, maybe it's not a bad thing
And no, the first game I focused on pvp was an MMO called Dofus, I actually played the rogue/assasin class that happened to be the only one that had invisibility, and happened to have the only invis counter in the game (out of 12 classes). They were definetly op for a long time but I never saw it because it was my favorite class. I was on denial just like you are being now. Class got nerfed and I went from winning 9 out of 10 fights to win half my fights. So ive been there buddy but you'll get over it just like I did.
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✭✭✭✭✭Strider_Roshin wrote: »SemiD4rkness wrote: »SemiD4rkness wrote: »SemiD4rkness wrote: »SemiD4rkness wrote: »I really hope they nerf nightblades to the ground. We will see whos gonna have to l2p then.
You'll just go on to complaining endlessly about Stamina DK's. Who are about as strong as NB's currently when built and played correctly.
At least playing a stam DK takes some skill. Also if the fight goes my way he'll stay and fight til he dies not try to escape a 1v1 like a ***.
So which is it? If they take no skill then they should be easily rofl-stomping you. If they have to run when losing, that implies they're not as tough as you profess, since they are losing enough that you'll whine about their escape capabilities.
I have a sneaking suspicion likely just not as good at PVP as you'd like to be, and as a coping mechanism you band-wagon complain.
Ok I get it you play a nightblade and you don't want your class to be nerfed.
Take a look at your passives and also the amount of buffs/debuffs almost all of your abilities have. Now add cloak, best escape tool in the game, I know sometimes it's easy to counter but it still is the best escape in the game. No excuses sir and you'll see im right when in the next update NBs gets nerfed to the ground.
I play a Stamina NB, Magicka and Stamina DK, Magicka Sorc, and Magicka Templar. I started with a Stamblade because I always roll the rogue/assassin/ninja archtype in RPG's first, and often prefer weapon based/melee classes over magic ones. However I also like to diversify, and to be able to full multiple rolls.
I don't want Nightblade nerfed into the ground because that would be the beginning of a long, and unwarranted cycle of nerfing everything else. As well as the best way to ensure that classes don't have their issues actually addressed.
Nightblades aren't going to be nerfed into the ground, and even if they were it wouldn't fix your issue. I'm willing to wager this is one of the first major games you focused on PVP. Thus the majority of your issues stem from a lack of the mindset needed for PVP gaming.
Well DKs got nerfed to the ground according to a lot of people and look at them now without any direct buffs they're the strongest 1v1 class, maybe it's not a bad thing
And no, the first game I focused on pvp was an MMO called Dofus, I actually played the rogue/assasin class that happened to be the only one that had invisibility, and happened to have the only invis counter in the game (out of 12 classes). They were definetly op for a long time but I never saw it because it was my favorite class. I was on denial just like you are being now. Class got nerfed and I went from winning 9 out of 10 fights to win half my fights. So ive been there buddy but you'll get over it just like I did.
You even admit that stam DKs outperform stam Nightblades. I should be like you and start nerf stam DK threads every other day.
But stam dk's don't though, just compare the passives.PS4 EU DC
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✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »SemiD4rkness wrote: »SemiD4rkness wrote: »SemiD4rkness wrote: »SemiD4rkness wrote: »I really hope they nerf nightblades to the ground. We will see whos gonna have to l2p then.
You'll just go on to complaining endlessly about Stamina DK's. Who are about as strong as NB's currently when built and played correctly.
At least playing a stam DK takes some skill. Also if the fight goes my way he'll stay and fight til he dies not try to escape a 1v1 like a ***.
So which is it? If they take no skill then they should be easily rofl-stomping you. If they have to run when losing, that implies they're not as tough as you profess, since they are losing enough that you'll whine about their escape capabilities.
I have a sneaking suspicion likely just not as good at PVP as you'd like to be, and as a coping mechanism you band-wagon complain.
Ok I get it you play a nightblade and you don't want your class to be nerfed.
Take a look at your passives and also the amount of buffs/debuffs almost all of your abilities have. Now add cloak, best escape tool in the game, I know sometimes it's easy to counter but it still is the best escape in the game. No excuses sir and you'll see im right when in the next update NBs gets nerfed to the ground.
I play a Stamina NB, Magicka and Stamina DK, Magicka Sorc, and Magicka Templar. I started with a Stamblade because I always roll the rogue/assassin/ninja archtype in RPG's first, and often prefer weapon based/melee classes over magic ones. However I also like to diversify, and to be able to full multiple rolls.
I don't want Nightblade nerfed into the ground because that would be the beginning of a long, and unwarranted cycle of nerfing everything else. As well as the best way to ensure that classes don't have their issues actually addressed.
Nightblades aren't going to be nerfed into the ground, and even if they were it wouldn't fix your issue. I'm willing to wager this is one of the first major games you focused on PVP. Thus the majority of your issues stem from a lack of the mindset needed for PVP gaming.
Well DKs got nerfed to the ground according to a lot of people and look at them now without any direct buffs they're the strongest 1v1 class, maybe it's not a bad thing
And no, the first game I focused on pvp was an MMO called Dofus, I actually played the rogue/assasin class that happened to be the only one that had invisibility, and happened to have the only invis counter in the game (out of 12 classes). They were definetly op for a long time but I never saw it because it was my favorite class. I was on denial just like you are being now. Class got nerfed and I went from winning 9 out of 10 fights to win half my fights. So ive been there buddy but you'll get over it just like I did.
You even admit that stam DKs outperform stam Nightblades. I should be like you and start nerf stam DK threads every other day.
But stam dk's don't though, just compare the passives.
Lol battle roar is the most OP passive in the game. -
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✭✭Strider_Roshin wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »SemiD4rkness wrote: »SemiD4rkness wrote: »SemiD4rkness wrote: »SemiD4rkness wrote: »I really hope they nerf nightblades to the ground. We will see whos gonna have to l2p then.
You'll just go on to complaining endlessly about Stamina DK's. Who are about as strong as NB's currently when built and played correctly.
At least playing a stam DK takes some skill. Also if the fight goes my way he'll stay and fight til he dies not try to escape a 1v1 like a ***.
So which is it? If they take no skill then they should be easily rofl-stomping you. If they have to run when losing, that implies they're not as tough as you profess, since they are losing enough that you'll whine about their escape capabilities.
I have a sneaking suspicion likely just not as good at PVP as you'd like to be, and as a coping mechanism you band-wagon complain.
Ok I get it you play a nightblade and you don't want your class to be nerfed.
Take a look at your passives and also the amount of buffs/debuffs almost all of your abilities have. Now add cloak, best escape tool in the game, I know sometimes it's easy to counter but it still is the best escape in the game. No excuses sir and you'll see im right when in the next update NBs gets nerfed to the ground.
I play a Stamina NB, Magicka and Stamina DK, Magicka Sorc, and Magicka Templar. I started with a Stamblade because I always roll the rogue/assassin/ninja archtype in RPG's first, and often prefer weapon based/melee classes over magic ones. However I also like to diversify, and to be able to full multiple rolls.
I don't want Nightblade nerfed into the ground because that would be the beginning of a long, and unwarranted cycle of nerfing everything else. As well as the best way to ensure that classes don't have their issues actually addressed.
Nightblades aren't going to be nerfed into the ground, and even if they were it wouldn't fix your issue. I'm willing to wager this is one of the first major games you focused on PVP. Thus the majority of your issues stem from a lack of the mindset needed for PVP gaming.
Well DKs got nerfed to the ground according to a lot of people and look at them now without any direct buffs they're the strongest 1v1 class, maybe it's not a bad thing
And no, the first game I focused on pvp was an MMO called Dofus, I actually played the rogue/assasin class that happened to be the only one that had invisibility, and happened to have the only invis counter in the game (out of 12 classes). They were definetly op for a long time but I never saw it because it was my favorite class. I was on denial just like you are being now. Class got nerfed and I went from winning 9 out of 10 fights to win half my fights. So ive been there buddy but you'll get over it just like I did.
You even admit that stam DKs outperform stam Nightblades. I should be like you and start nerf stam DK threads every other day.
But stam dk's don't though, just compare the passives.
Lol battle roar is the most OP passive in the game.
Forget it, I had a similar discussion with that guy. He is playing a magicka sorc and complains nonstop about NBs. If you don't take him serious it's quite funny to read his posts
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✭✭✭✭✭Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »SemiD4rkness wrote: »SemiD4rkness wrote: »SemiD4rkness wrote: »SemiD4rkness wrote: »I really hope they nerf nightblades to the ground. We will see whos gonna have to l2p then.
You'll just go on to complaining endlessly about Stamina DK's. Who are about as strong as NB's currently when built and played correctly.
At least playing a stam DK takes some skill. Also if the fight goes my way he'll stay and fight til he dies not try to escape a 1v1 like a ***.
So which is it? If they take no skill then they should be easily rofl-stomping you. If they have to run when losing, that implies they're not as tough as you profess, since they are losing enough that you'll whine about their escape capabilities.
I have a sneaking suspicion likely just not as good at PVP as you'd like to be, and as a coping mechanism you band-wagon complain.
Ok I get it you play a nightblade and you don't want your class to be nerfed.
Take a look at your passives and also the amount of buffs/debuffs almost all of your abilities have. Now add cloak, best escape tool in the game, I know sometimes it's easy to counter but it still is the best escape in the game. No excuses sir and you'll see im right when in the next update NBs gets nerfed to the ground.
I play a Stamina NB, Magicka and Stamina DK, Magicka Sorc, and Magicka Templar. I started with a Stamblade because I always roll the rogue/assassin/ninja archtype in RPG's first, and often prefer weapon based/melee classes over magic ones. However I also like to diversify, and to be able to full multiple rolls.
I don't want Nightblade nerfed into the ground because that would be the beginning of a long, and unwarranted cycle of nerfing everything else. As well as the best way to ensure that classes don't have their issues actually addressed.
Nightblades aren't going to be nerfed into the ground, and even if they were it wouldn't fix your issue. I'm willing to wager this is one of the first major games you focused on PVP. Thus the majority of your issues stem from a lack of the mindset needed for PVP gaming.
Well DKs got nerfed to the ground according to a lot of people and look at them now without any direct buffs they're the strongest 1v1 class, maybe it's not a bad thing
And no, the first game I focused on pvp was an MMO called Dofus, I actually played the rogue/assasin class that happened to be the only one that had invisibility, and happened to have the only invis counter in the game (out of 12 classes). They were definetly op for a long time but I never saw it because it was my favorite class. I was on denial just like you are being now. Class got nerfed and I went from winning 9 out of 10 fights to win half my fights. So ive been there buddy but you'll get over it just like I did.
You even admit that stam DKs outperform stam Nightblades. I should be like you and start nerf stam DK threads every other day.
But stam dk's don't though, just compare the passives.
Lol battle roar is the most OP passive in the game.
Forget it, I had a similar discussion with that guy. He is playing a magicka sorc and complains nonstop about NBs. If you don't take him serious it's quite funny to read his posts
Actually i play a magicka templar/magicka sorc/stam dk and a magicka nb.
Battle roar isn't that effective since IC and % based abilites go gibbed.
But go ahead tell me how op a passive is on a class you don't play.PS4 EU DC
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SemiD4rkness✭✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »SemiD4rkness wrote: »SemiD4rkness wrote: »SemiD4rkness wrote: »SemiD4rkness wrote: »I really hope they nerf nightblades to the ground. We will see whos gonna have to l2p then.
You'll just go on to complaining endlessly about Stamina DK's. Who are about as strong as NB's currently when built and played correctly.
At least playing a stam DK takes some skill. Also if the fight goes my way he'll stay and fight til he dies not try to escape a 1v1 like a ***.
So which is it? If they take no skill then they should be easily rofl-stomping you. If they have to run when losing, that implies they're not as tough as you profess, since they are losing enough that you'll whine about their escape capabilities.
I have a sneaking suspicion likely just not as good at PVP as you'd like to be, and as a coping mechanism you band-wagon complain.
Ok I get it you play a nightblade and you don't want your class to be nerfed.
Take a look at your passives and also the amount of buffs/debuffs almost all of your abilities have. Now add cloak, best escape tool in the game, I know sometimes it's easy to counter but it still is the best escape in the game. No excuses sir and you'll see im right when in the next update NBs gets nerfed to the ground.
I play a Stamina NB, Magicka and Stamina DK, Magicka Sorc, and Magicka Templar. I started with a Stamblade because I always roll the rogue/assassin/ninja archtype in RPG's first, and often prefer weapon based/melee classes over magic ones. However I also like to diversify, and to be able to full multiple rolls.
I don't want Nightblade nerfed into the ground because that would be the beginning of a long, and unwarranted cycle of nerfing everything else. As well as the best way to ensure that classes don't have their issues actually addressed.
Nightblades aren't going to be nerfed into the ground, and even if they were it wouldn't fix your issue. I'm willing to wager this is one of the first major games you focused on PVP. Thus the majority of your issues stem from a lack of the mindset needed for PVP gaming.
Well DKs got nerfed to the ground according to a lot of people and look at them now without any direct buffs they're the strongest 1v1 class, maybe it's not a bad thing
And no, the first game I focused on pvp was an MMO called Dofus, I actually played the rogue/assasin class that happened to be the only one that had invisibility, and happened to have the only invis counter in the game (out of 12 classes). They were definetly op for a long time but I never saw it because it was my favorite class. I was on denial just like you are being now. Class got nerfed and I went from winning 9 out of 10 fights to win half my fights. So ive been there buddy but you'll get over it just like I did.
You even admit that stam DKs outperform stam Nightblades. I should be like you and start nerf stam DK threads every other day.
But stam dk's don't though, just compare the passives.
Lol battle roar is the most OP passive in the game.
Forget it, I had a similar discussion with that guy. He is playing a magicka sorc and complains nonstop about NBs. If you don't take him serious it's quite funny to read his posts
Actually i play a magicka templar/magicka sorc/stam dk and a magicka nb.
Battle roar isn't that effective since IC and % based abilites go gibbed.
But go ahead tell me how op a passive is on a class you don't play.
An op passive would be something like 15% regen to all resources just because knowing that vamps get 10 and have to slot a skill plus all the disadvantages...... OH WAIT.
I don't really care about sorcerers btw I run shieldbreaker almost all the time add animation cancelling with s&b and rip sorcerer. -
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✭✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »SemiD4rkness wrote: »SemiD4rkness wrote: »SemiD4rkness wrote: »SemiD4rkness wrote: »I really hope they nerf nightblades to the ground. We will see whos gonna have to l2p then.
You'll just go on to complaining endlessly about Stamina DK's. Who are about as strong as NB's currently when built and played correctly.
At least playing a stam DK takes some skill. Also if the fight goes my way he'll stay and fight til he dies not try to escape a 1v1 like a ***.
So which is it? If they take no skill then they should be easily rofl-stomping you. If they have to run when losing, that implies they're not as tough as you profess, since they are losing enough that you'll whine about their escape capabilities.
I have a sneaking suspicion likely just not as good at PVP as you'd like to be, and as a coping mechanism you band-wagon complain.
Ok I get it you play a nightblade and you don't want your class to be nerfed.
Take a look at your passives and also the amount of buffs/debuffs almost all of your abilities have. Now add cloak, best escape tool in the game, I know sometimes it's easy to counter but it still is the best escape in the game. No excuses sir and you'll see im right when in the next update NBs gets nerfed to the ground.
I play a Stamina NB, Magicka and Stamina DK, Magicka Sorc, and Magicka Templar. I started with a Stamblade because I always roll the rogue/assassin/ninja archtype in RPG's first, and often prefer weapon based/melee classes over magic ones. However I also like to diversify, and to be able to full multiple rolls.
I don't want Nightblade nerfed into the ground because that would be the beginning of a long, and unwarranted cycle of nerfing everything else. As well as the best way to ensure that classes don't have their issues actually addressed.
Nightblades aren't going to be nerfed into the ground, and even if they were it wouldn't fix your issue. I'm willing to wager this is one of the first major games you focused on PVP. Thus the majority of your issues stem from a lack of the mindset needed for PVP gaming.
Well DKs got nerfed to the ground according to a lot of people and look at them now without any direct buffs they're the strongest 1v1 class, maybe it's not a bad thing
And no, the first game I focused on pvp was an MMO called Dofus, I actually played the rogue/assasin class that happened to be the only one that had invisibility, and happened to have the only invis counter in the game (out of 12 classes). They were definetly op for a long time but I never saw it because it was my favorite class. I was on denial just like you are being now. Class got nerfed and I went from winning 9 out of 10 fights to win half my fights. So ive been there buddy but you'll get over it just like I did.
You even admit that stam DKs outperform stam Nightblades. I should be like you and start nerf stam DK threads every other day.
But stam dk's don't though, just compare the passives.
The only place a stam DK outperforms a stam NB is on dragonleap damage (the knockback/20k damage potential spike is a useful zergbuster, soul tether simply doesnt compare)
Battle roar is still really good, just gimp compared to pre 1.6. (prior to which it was overpowered as hell)
Otherwise stamblades outperform stamknights in every single metric. Damage burst, damage sustain, resource management, mobility, flexibility, use of class skills for multiple build setups (stam dk is horribly railroaded into one real decent template and if you try to vary it you lose something essential, very few dk class skills are even part of the build), and escape/bailout.
You can even forego cloak entirely on a stamblade and come up with some damn beefy builds that will rip things up on stealthed opens, and be suprisingly tough for the duration. I prefer the pure gank setup, as I have plenty of other stam chars if i wanna do something else with stam (stam dk, stamplar), but not all stamblades are gankers, many are just raw damage dealers, and they are extremely good at it. Too good really when you count in their nearly unlimited sustain.Edited by Rylana on January 17, 2016 1:50PM@rylanadionysis == Closed Beta Tester October 2013 == Retired October 2016 == Uninstalled @ One Tamriel Release == Inactive Indefinitely
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✭✭✭✭✭ShadowDisciple wrote: »
Go google sustain.PS4 EU DC
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I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
RIP my effort to get 5x v16 characters... -
Kryank✭✭✭Sustain builds can be achieved with any stam class though, the use of regen armour such as willows will allow you to maintain high levels of regen and then achieve high enough weapon damage, this is not just a NB specific armour set or skills for that matter, your max Stam pool will be lower but i know that I would rather fight a glass canon squishy build than a Impen stacked sustain / regen heavy build.'I am not entering into a battle of wits with a man who is clearly unarmed'
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✭✭✭✭✭Sustain builds can be achieved with any stam class though, the use of regen armour such as willows will allow you to maintain high levels of regen and then achieve high enough weapon damage, this is not just a NB specific armour set or skills for that matter, your max Stam pool will be lower but i know that I would rather fight a glass canon squishy build than a Impen stacked sustain / regen heavy build.
But it's a lot easier with a nb, templar/dk/sorc have to use willows for that 15% regen where as nb's have that as a passive and they can use hundings for 300~ unbuffed wpn dmg, crit and max stamina.PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
RIP my effort to get 5x v16 characters... -
Kryank✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »Sustain builds can be achieved with any stam class though, the use of regen armour such as willows will allow you to maintain high levels of regen and then achieve high enough weapon damage, this is not just a NB specific armour set or skills for that matter, your max Stam pool will be lower but i know that I would rather fight a glass canon squishy build than a Impen stacked sustain / regen heavy build.
But it's a lot easier with a nb, templar/dk/sorc have to use willows for that 15% regen where as nb's have that as a passive and they can use hundings for 300~ unbuffed wpn dmg, crit and max stamina.
You still have to build a NB for a sustain build though, just saying they can go balls out glass cannon and still be sustain because of a passive that gives 15% steam regen for 6 seconds when activating a shadow ability is just false even if you are using regen food you will only have at the most stam regen of around 2000, that is a whopping 300 stam every 2 seconds from the passive. If you are losing because someone has 300 stam regen every 2 seconds more then you have bigger issues than this. You still need willows to be a viable sustain build as a NB.'I am not entering into a battle of wits with a man who is clearly unarmed'
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