SuraklinPrime wrote: »

Ampnode wrote: »

ShadowDisciple wrote: »

crows descend...if you actually put in as much hours into game as you put on this forum maybe by now you would learn to play and counter silly nightblades and WB spammers

Guide on how to counter a teleporting gap closer that gives empower to an 8K insta-DPS or 10K+ 50 cost ulti, please.

Use block.

Run inpenetrable.

Shields, potions and heals.

Decent armour.

You cant block fear, and a good stamblade can pop 3 mega hard hitting attacks (charged heavy anim canceled by the fear open, SA, ult) in the 1/2 second it takes you to CC break. If it takes more time to CC break than that you were dead anyway.

Impen will not save you from a high damage specced stam NB (especially one that intentionally gets their crit percent as low as possible so they can bypass your cheese - seriously impen is overrated and only works vs bads). Any NB that can kill a shield stack sorc, will easily kill an impen cheeser.

Heal debuffs built right in to the class, pop that pot, thats one more SA with a light attack cancel after the ulti, shields (see impen, lawl)

Armor? What is armor? Running around with 15k armor pen baby, better be in 7 heavy or youre just naked.


I know OP was being semi-sarcastic, and there are a lot of sarcastic posts in this thread, but mine is serious. Stamblades are ridiculously overpowered and have been for some time. I barely play mine anymore, because its just "pick who i want dead" and unless I screw up or pick a really unlucky target with a buncha friends, its 2 seconds, 900 AP, clean escape every time. If i die five times my session ends, and ive had over 600 kills on 5 deaths in a session within the last couple months. (was also my record killstreak in that session, 323 with 291 KBS)

Its kinda funny though, my most killed class? Other stamblades, because i roll detect pots constantly and catch em prowling. Like an attack sub.

The only "complaint" i would even have would be how soul harvest needs a few point in Theurma, since its a magic damage attack, but even then, its just another 10-12k instablast with a healcut on top of that, so really, making it physical damage would be ridiculous.

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

I really hope they nerf nightblades to the ground. We will see whos gonna have to l2p then.

nab i played stam nighblade when it was ***-poor... i bet you dont even know that half of NB's abilities did not have stamina morph at all...and i always had a very good time with it and very nice performance out if it...

Sorc are the OP class right know if you really want it...thats why im lvling one lol

But i like the Rogue classes so im sticking to my NB probably...or going DK cuz i like those too...

Also PLS PPL ROLL NB.....i need some target dummies in cyro

Ive played Cyrodil like 2-3 week now.. Im pretty sure all the NB whining comes from the fact, siege dmg has been nerfed and also I could be wrong but I think Templars heals more too, or theres more healing in the game generally, so basically glasscannons has easy time now. I think Zen should think more carefully what kind of changes they do, because everything affects on everything.

Kryank wrote: »

Any glass cannon stam class can hit hard, however they melt like butter, when people stop running max stat and spell / weapon damage builds they will start to see a massive result in your survivability and as a result you kill people more, to be successful you need to balance your build. I love glass canon builds as if they don't kill you instantly they panicked and they are an easy kill. I regularly kill gankers and win small 1 v X. I run a stam NB but don't run glass canon and I am a vamp so I have weeknesses. Run at least 3 impen, have at least 20 k health unbuffed, have good regen and around 3k weapon damage, and you are golden. My steam pool is only 23.5k but with 2700 star regen it's not an issue.

The high weapon damage meta is great as there is a lot of easy AP to farm :-).

20k hp and a vamp is still a glass cannon.

23.5k and 3k wpn dmg is low for a stam nb, can easily get 2.5k+ regen with 3.5k wpn dmg and 30k stamina.

Bring back the siege dmg, its much better people hate siege dmg, than classes, not to mention everybody has access to siege weapons so they can choose to use it or not. This was the original plan too, stick to it.

Id prefer thousand time more if hate goes to universal siege weapons, than some classes or specific builds.

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

I really hope they nerf nightblades to the ground. We will see whos gonna have to l2p then.

You'll just go on to complaining endlessly about Stamina DK's. Who are about as strong as NB's currently when built and played correctly.

At least playing a stam DK takes some skill. Also if the fight goes my way he'll stay and fight til he dies not try to escape a 1v1 like a ***.

So which is it? If they take no skill then they should be easily rofl-stomping you. If they have to run when losing, that implies they're not as tough as you profess, since they are losing enough that you'll whine about their escape capabilities.

I have a sneaking suspicion likely just not as good at PVP as you'd like to be, and as a coping mechanism you band-wagon complain.

Ok I get it you play a nightblade and you don't want your class to be nerfed.
Take a look at your passives and also the amount of buffs/debuffs almost all of your abilities have. Now add cloak, best escape tool in the game, I know sometimes it's easy to counter but it still is the best escape in the game. No excuses sir and you'll see im right when in the next update NBs gets nerfed to the ground.

I play a Stamina NB, Magicka and Stamina DK, Magicka Sorc, and Magicka Templar. I started with a Stamblade because I always roll the rogue/assassin/ninja archtype in RPG's first, and often prefer weapon based/melee classes over magic ones. However I also like to diversify, and to be able to full multiple rolls.

I don't want Nightblade nerfed into the ground because that would be the beginning of a long, and unwarranted cycle of nerfing everything else. As well as the best way to ensure that classes don't have their issues actually addressed.

Nightblades aren't going to be nerfed into the ground, and even if they were it wouldn't fix your issue. I'm willing to wager this is one of the first major games you focused on PVP. Thus the majority of your issues stem from a lack of the mindset needed for PVP gaming.

Well DKs got nerfed to the ground according to a lot of people and look at them now without any direct buffs they're the strongest 1v1 class, maybe it's not a bad thing
And no, the first game I focused on pvp was an MMO called Dofus, I actually played the rogue/assasin class that happened to be the only one that had invisibility, and happened to have the only invis counter in the game (out of 12 classes). They were definetly op for a long time but I never saw it because it was my favorite class. I was on denial just like you are being now. Class got nerfed and I went from winning 9 out of 10 fights to win half my fights. So ive been there buddy but you'll get over it just like I did.

You even admit that stam DKs outperform stam Nightblades. I should be like you and start nerf stam DK threads every other day.

But stam dk's don't though, just compare the passives.

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

I really hope they nerf nightblades to the ground. We will see whos gonna have to l2p then.

You'll just go on to complaining endlessly about Stamina DK's. Who are about as strong as NB's currently when built and played correctly.

At least playing a stam DK takes some skill. Also if the fight goes my way he'll stay and fight til he dies not try to escape a 1v1 like a ***.

So which is it? If they take no skill then they should be easily rofl-stomping you. If they have to run when losing, that implies they're not as tough as you profess, since they are losing enough that you'll whine about their escape capabilities.

I have a sneaking suspicion likely just not as good at PVP as you'd like to be, and as a coping mechanism you band-wagon complain.

Ok I get it you play a nightblade and you don't want your class to be nerfed.
Take a look at your passives and also the amount of buffs/debuffs almost all of your abilities have. Now add cloak, best escape tool in the game, I know sometimes it's easy to counter but it still is the best escape in the game. No excuses sir and you'll see im right when in the next update NBs gets nerfed to the ground.

I play a Stamina NB, Magicka and Stamina DK, Magicka Sorc, and Magicka Templar. I started with a Stamblade because I always roll the rogue/assassin/ninja archtype in RPG's first, and often prefer weapon based/melee classes over magic ones. However I also like to diversify, and to be able to full multiple rolls.

I don't want Nightblade nerfed into the ground because that would be the beginning of a long, and unwarranted cycle of nerfing everything else. As well as the best way to ensure that classes don't have their issues actually addressed.

Nightblades aren't going to be nerfed into the ground, and even if they were it wouldn't fix your issue. I'm willing to wager this is one of the first major games you focused on PVP. Thus the majority of your issues stem from a lack of the mindset needed for PVP gaming.

Well DKs got nerfed to the ground according to a lot of people and look at them now without any direct buffs they're the strongest 1v1 class, maybe it's not a bad thing
And no, the first game I focused on pvp was an MMO called Dofus, I actually played the rogue/assasin class that happened to be the only one that had invisibility, and happened to have the only invis counter in the game (out of 12 classes). They were definetly op for a long time but I never saw it because it was my favorite class. I was on denial just like you are being now. Class got nerfed and I went from winning 9 out of 10 fights to win half my fights. So ive been there buddy but you'll get over it just like I did.

You even admit that stam DKs outperform stam Nightblades. I should be like you and start nerf stam DK threads every other day.

But stam dk's don't though, just compare the passives.

Lol battle roar is the most OP passive in the game.

Forget it, I had a similar discussion with that guy. He is playing a magicka sorc and complains nonstop about NBs. If you don't take him serious it's quite funny to read his posts

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

I really hope they nerf nightblades to the ground. We will see whos gonna have to l2p then.

You'll just go on to complaining endlessly about Stamina DK's. Who are about as strong as NB's currently when built and played correctly.

At least playing a stam DK takes some skill. Also if the fight goes my way he'll stay and fight til he dies not try to escape a 1v1 like a ***.

So which is it? If they take no skill then they should be easily rofl-stomping you. If they have to run when losing, that implies they're not as tough as you profess, since they are losing enough that you'll whine about their escape capabilities.

I have a sneaking suspicion likely just not as good at PVP as you'd like to be, and as a coping mechanism you band-wagon complain.

Ok I get it you play a nightblade and you don't want your class to be nerfed.
Take a look at your passives and also the amount of buffs/debuffs almost all of your abilities have. Now add cloak, best escape tool in the game, I know sometimes it's easy to counter but it still is the best escape in the game. No excuses sir and you'll see im right when in the next update NBs gets nerfed to the ground.

I play a Stamina NB, Magicka and Stamina DK, Magicka Sorc, and Magicka Templar. I started with a Stamblade because I always roll the rogue/assassin/ninja archtype in RPG's first, and often prefer weapon based/melee classes over magic ones. However I also like to diversify, and to be able to full multiple rolls.

I don't want Nightblade nerfed into the ground because that would be the beginning of a long, and unwarranted cycle of nerfing everything else. As well as the best way to ensure that classes don't have their issues actually addressed.

Nightblades aren't going to be nerfed into the ground, and even if they were it wouldn't fix your issue. I'm willing to wager this is one of the first major games you focused on PVP. Thus the majority of your issues stem from a lack of the mindset needed for PVP gaming.

Well DKs got nerfed to the ground according to a lot of people and look at them now without any direct buffs they're the strongest 1v1 class, maybe it's not a bad thing
And no, the first game I focused on pvp was an MMO called Dofus, I actually played the rogue/assasin class that happened to be the only one that had invisibility, and happened to have the only invis counter in the game (out of 12 classes). They were definetly op for a long time but I never saw it because it was my favorite class. I was on denial just like you are being now. Class got nerfed and I went from winning 9 out of 10 fights to win half my fights. So ive been there buddy but you'll get over it just like I did.

You even admit that stam DKs outperform stam Nightblades. I should be like you and start nerf stam DK threads every other day.

But stam dk's don't though, just compare the passives.

Lol battle roar is the most OP passive in the game.

Forget it, I had a similar discussion with that guy. He is playing a magicka sorc and complains nonstop about NBs. If you don't take him serious it's quite funny to read his posts

Actually i play a magicka templar/magicka sorc/stam dk and a magicka nb.

Battle roar isn't that effective since IC and % based abilites go gibbed.

But go ahead tell me how op a passive is on a class you don't play.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

I really hope they nerf nightblades to the ground. We will see whos gonna have to l2p then.

You'll just go on to complaining endlessly about Stamina DK's. Who are about as strong as NB's currently when built and played correctly.

At least playing a stam DK takes some skill. Also if the fight goes my way he'll stay and fight til he dies not try to escape a 1v1 like a ***.

So which is it? If they take no skill then they should be easily rofl-stomping you. If they have to run when losing, that implies they're not as tough as you profess, since they are losing enough that you'll whine about their escape capabilities.

I have a sneaking suspicion likely just not as good at PVP as you'd like to be, and as a coping mechanism you band-wagon complain.

Ok I get it you play a nightblade and you don't want your class to be nerfed.
Take a look at your passives and also the amount of buffs/debuffs almost all of your abilities have. Now add cloak, best escape tool in the game, I know sometimes it's easy to counter but it still is the best escape in the game. No excuses sir and you'll see im right when in the next update NBs gets nerfed to the ground.

I play a Stamina NB, Magicka and Stamina DK, Magicka Sorc, and Magicka Templar. I started with a Stamblade because I always roll the rogue/assassin/ninja archtype in RPG's first, and often prefer weapon based/melee classes over magic ones. However I also like to diversify, and to be able to full multiple rolls.

I don't want Nightblade nerfed into the ground because that would be the beginning of a long, and unwarranted cycle of nerfing everything else. As well as the best way to ensure that classes don't have their issues actually addressed.

Nightblades aren't going to be nerfed into the ground, and even if they were it wouldn't fix your issue. I'm willing to wager this is one of the first major games you focused on PVP. Thus the majority of your issues stem from a lack of the mindset needed for PVP gaming.

Well DKs got nerfed to the ground according to a lot of people and look at them now without any direct buffs they're the strongest 1v1 class, maybe it's not a bad thing
And no, the first game I focused on pvp was an MMO called Dofus, I actually played the rogue/assasin class that happened to be the only one that had invisibility, and happened to have the only invis counter in the game (out of 12 classes). They were definetly op for a long time but I never saw it because it was my favorite class. I was on denial just like you are being now. Class got nerfed and I went from winning 9 out of 10 fights to win half my fights. So ive been there buddy but you'll get over it just like I did.

You even admit that stam DKs outperform stam Nightblades. I should be like you and start nerf stam DK threads every other day.

But stam dk's don't though, just compare the passives.

The only place a stam DK outperforms a stam NB is on dragonleap damage (the knockback/20k damage potential spike is a useful zergbuster, soul tether simply doesnt compare)

Battle roar is still really good, just gimp compared to pre 1.6. (prior to which it was overpowered as hell)

Otherwise stamblades outperform stamknights in every single metric. Damage burst, damage sustain, resource management, mobility, flexibility, use of class skills for multiple build setups (stam dk is horribly railroaded into one real decent template and if you try to vary it you lose something essential, very few dk class skills are even part of the build), and escape/bailout.

You can even forego cloak entirely on a stamblade and come up with some damn beefy builds that will rip things up on stealthed opens, and be suprisingly tough for the duration. I prefer the pure gank setup, as I have plenty of other stam chars if i wanna do something else with stam (stam dk, stamplar), but not all stamblades are gankers, many are just raw damage dealers, and they are extremely good at it. Too good really when you count in their nearly unlimited sustain.

ShadowDisciple wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Too good really when you count in their nearly unlimited sustain.

share a secret how NB has sustain outside vigor and rally which is for everyone? also dont say cloack because cloak isnt a sustain..its disengage/engage

I dont think you know what sustain means

Sustain builds can be achieved with any stam class though, the use of regen armour such as willows will allow you to maintain high levels of regen and then achieve high enough weapon damage, this is not just a NB specific armour set or skills for that matter, your max Stam pool will be lower but i know that I would rather fight a glass canon squishy build than a Impen stacked sustain / regen heavy build.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Kryank wrote: »

Sustain builds can be achieved with any stam class though, the use of regen armour such as willows will allow you to maintain high levels of regen and then achieve high enough weapon damage, this is not just a NB specific armour set or skills for that matter, your max Stam pool will be lower but i know that I would rather fight a glass canon squishy build than a Impen stacked sustain / regen heavy build.

But it's a lot easier with a nb, templar/dk/sorc have to use willows for that 15% regen where as nb's have that as a passive and they can use hundings for 300~ unbuffed wpn dmg, crit and max stamina.

You still have to build a NB for a sustain build though, just saying they can go balls out glass cannon and still be sustain because of a passive that gives 15% steam regen for 6 seconds when activating a shadow ability is just false even if you are using regen food you will only have at the most stam regen of around 2000, that is a whopping 300 stam every 2 seconds from the passive. If you are losing because someone has 300 stam regen every 2 seconds more then you have bigger issues than this. You still need willows to be a viable sustain build as a NB.