I don't blame him. You seen the state of these forums lately?

JD2013 wrote: »

I don't blame him. You seen the state of these forums lately?

Forums are only reflecting state of the game.

CavalierPrime wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

Jura23 wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

I don't blame him. You seen the state of these forums lately?

Forums are only reflecting state of the game.

Actually they're not. They're reflecting the state of the maturity and patience of the player base.

Criticism is to be expected. Shouting, throwing your toys out of the pram and threatening to quit because they're not giving you everything you want shouldn't be.

People want to leave? Go ahead. Nobody cares.

This kitten has claws.

Ha. You know, usually I'm very patient and calm and whatnot. Not lately though.

The amount of screaming and shouting is starting to annoy me.

Yes we know the game has some glaring errors. I'm pretty sure ZOS knows from all the threads on here too.

his last lurk was in dec about the safety lock mechanism thread he does but not many posts are worthy to deem a /lurk from him now a days haha

JD2013 wrote: »

Jura23 wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

I don't blame him. You seen the state of these forums lately?

Forums are only reflecting state of the game.

Actually they're not. They're reflecting the state of the maturity and patience of the player base.

Criticism is to be expected. Shouting, throwing your toys out of the pram and threatening to quit because they're not giving you everything you want shouldn't be.

People want to leave? Go ahead. Nobody cares.

I care about people leaving. Enough leave and the MMO dies. That's why we can't have nice things.

Lightninvash wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Rich hasn't been arrested. He still silently lurks the forums daily, but word on the street is that you're more likely to get a /lurk out of him with constructive posts.

^^^^this^^^^

There has been constructive posts by many different people. Some of us just prefer direct and blunt.

Alucardo wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Rich hasn't been arrested. He still silently lurks the forums daily, but word on the street is that you're more likely to get a /lurk out of him with constructive posts.

So what you're saying is we'll never hear from him again? Well, that's kinda sad.

he only lurks on the most awesome posts I think something that doesn't involve any past ideas something new and refreshing. at least from what I have seen

Lightninvash wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Rich hasn't been arrested. He still silently lurks the forums daily, but word on the street is that you're more likely to get a /lurk out of him with constructive posts.

So what you're saying is we'll never hear from him again? Well, that's kinda sad.

he only lurks on the most awesome posts I think something that doesn't involve any past ideas something new and refreshing. at least from what I have seen

Yeah, ideas he really likes for in-game changes or really cool fan creations/inspirations. He can't /lurk every thoughtful, fun, or constructive post.

MissBizz wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Rich hasn't been arrested. He still silently lurks the forums daily, but word on the street is that you're more likely to get a /lurk out of him with constructive posts.

Hahaha! I saw this post earlier and as soon as I saw the Z I was hoping it was a "/lurk" but this is just as good.

UrQuan wrote: »

ralonasan wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

Jura23 wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

Jura23 wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

I don't blame him. You seen the state of these forums lately?

Forums are only reflecting state of the game.

Actually they're not. They're reflecting the state of the maturity and patience of the player base.

Criticism is to be expected. Shouting, throwing your toys out of the pram and threatening to quit because they're not giving you everything you want shouldn't be.

People want to leave? Go ahead. Nobody cares.

And how did they deal with constructive criticism in the past? Do you think they did a good job in this area? Enlighten me.

Gladly.

Tons of stuff in this game has been a direct result of player feedback.

Vet levels (seeing Tamriel on one character)
First person mode
Champion System
Removal of Veteran Levels
More interactable objects in the world
PVP changes
Many many nerfs

All because of the player base.

Now you can go ahead and tell me that ZOS doesn't listen, that ZOS is the devil and they don't care about their player base but I rather think that the above list of changes as a direct result of player screaming feedback nullifies that point.

Lag in Cyrodiil? Yea that's a problem. We know and they sure as heck know that it's a problem as they mention it on EVERY ESO live. Think you can do better? Get a job with them and fix it.

I agree that a little more information would be lovely. But acting like spoiled children is not the way to go about getting more information.

Like three things you listed have been implemented. the rest have


#NoETA

Well that's just a flat-out lie. Here's his list again, with the ones that have already been implemented crossed off:

JD2013 wrote: »

Tons of stuff in this game has been a direct result of player feedback.

Vet levels (seeing Tamriel on one character)
First person mode
Champion System
Removal of Veteran Levels
More interactable objects in the world
PVP changes
Many many nerfs

Of course the last couple of ones will have more iterations as the game goes on, as they're the type of thing that will always continue to be tweaked based on feedback and what the devs see happening in-game. But that doesn't mean that they haven't already implemented tons of things in those categories based on feedback.

There's only one thing on the list that hasn't yet been implemented, and we've got quite a few details of how that's going to work (with the caveat that some of those details may change between now and implementation), and an ETA.

Other things that have been implemented:

Players wanted more reason to do writs (fragments)
Players wanted more reasons to do treasure maps (way higher chance of malachite shards)

I could come up with more but I'm barely awake here.

Players wanted something productive to do with crafting that didn't rely on the in-game economy (writs)
Players wanted a reason to go back and re-play the group dungeons after the initial quest & skill point (Undaunted pledges)
Players wanted to be able to group with characters in different alliances for group dungeons (partially implemented through LFG tool)
Players wanted mounts beyond the original horses (senches, guars, etc)

If we were to actually sit down and make a comprehensive list of all of the things that players have asked for in the game, and that have been implemented (or begun to be implemented, or that we have an ETA for) the list would be huge.

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

Jura23 wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

I don't blame him. You seen the state of these forums lately?

Forums are only reflecting state of the game.

Actually they're not. They're reflecting the state of the maturity and patience of the player base.

Criticism is to be expected. Shouting, throwing your toys out of the pram and threatening to quit because they're not giving you everything you want shouldn't be.

People want to leave? Go ahead. Nobody cares.

I care about people leaving. Enough leave and the MMO dies. That's why we can't have nice things.

People are going to leave all the time, for a variety of reasons. It is unreasonable to think that a majority block of the player population will be institutional.

ESO is a game, and a game that is being driven by the vision of the studio, not the players. It is inevitable that a certain segment of players will disagree with this and be vocal about it. Those that accept that this is not their game, and can have fun playing, will come to terms with whatever the studio is doing. Those that cannot do that will, hopefully, leave and go do something that is fun that they can come to terms with.

People who leave do not bother me, particularly those that seem unhappy about staying. I care more that unhappy people stay around instead of leaving. No one should do something that makes them unhappy.

What people should care about is that new people join the game. People leaving does not kill an MMO. People not joining is what kills an MMO.

JD2013 wrote: »

Forums are only reflecting state of the game.

If you read the forums, it is easy to become overwhelmed by the gloom and doom and how ZOS is totally incompetent. ZOS hates PC players, hates Mac players, hates Console players, hates PVP players, hates PVE players, hates groups, hates solo, hates DK, hates Templars, hates Argonians... One might come to the conclusion that ESO is just days away from pushing up the daisies. Be that the case, or not, the people playing the game by actually being in the game seem largely unaware that the game is about to die at any moment. Those are the people who voted on MMORPG. Those are the people who buy Crown Store stuff and subscribe to ESO Plus. That is the reflection of the state of the game, not what happens here in the forum. What those people say is what brings in new players.

lordrichter wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

Jura23 wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

I don't blame him. You seen the state of these forums lately?

Forums are only reflecting state of the game.

Actually they're not. They're reflecting the state of the maturity and patience of the player base.

Criticism is to be expected. Shouting, throwing your toys out of the pram and threatening to quit because they're not giving you everything you want shouldn't be.

People want to leave? Go ahead. Nobody cares.

I care about people leaving. Enough leave and the MMO dies. That's why we can't have nice things.

People are going to leave all the time, for a variety of reasons. It is unreasonable to think that a majority block of the player population will be institutional.

ESO is a game, and a game that is being driven by the vision of the studio, not the players. It is inevitable that a certain segment of players will disagree with this and be vocal about it. Those that accept that this is not their game, and can have fun playing, will come to terms with whatever the studio is doing. Those that cannot do that will, hopefully, leave and go do something that is fun that they can come to terms with.

People who leave do not bother me, particularly those that seem unhappy about staying. I care more that unhappy people stay around instead of leaving. No one should do something that makes them unhappy.

What people should care about is that new people join the game. People leaving does not kill an MMO. People not joining is what kills an MMO.

JD2013 wrote: »

Forums are only reflecting state of the game.

If you read the forums, it is easy to become overwhelmed by the gloom and doom and how ZOS is totally incompetent. ZOS hates PC players, hates Mac players, hates Console players, hates PVP players, hates PVE players, hates groups, hates solo, hates DK, hates Templars, hates Argonians... One might come to the conclusion that ESO is just days away from pushing up the daisies. Be that the case, or not, the people playing the game by actually being in the game seem largely unaware that the game is about to die at any moment. Those are the people who voted on MMORPG. Those are the people who buy Crown Store stuff and subscribe to ESO Plus. That is the reflection of the state of the game, not what happens here in the forum. What those people say is what brings in new players.

I applaud you. Wonderful.

UrQuan wrote: »

maboleth wrote: »

I'm new to ESO but some a lot of people are acting as spoiled brats that moan without providing anything but their own frustrations and expectations.

Fixed that for you. There are elements in the game that I think should be changed, and certain decisions ZOS has made that I disagree with, but on the whole I think this is a great game, and it's unfortunate that there are so many people who act like spoiled brats.

Of course, there are also people who present their ideas about what should be done differently in the game in a much more constructive manner. Look at the thread on re-vamping the 1-piece bonuses on Monster Helm sets for a good recent example of that. There are others, of course, that was just one that immediately came to mind.

There are also those of us that just throw out tons of (garbage) ideas. Don't forget about us! Neither angry/bitter nor constructive, just off in our own little worlds of speculation.

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Rich hasn't been arrested. He still silently lurks the forums daily, but word on the street is that you're more likely to get a /lurk out of him with constructive posts.

Where my lurks at @ZOS_RichLambert I really wanted a /lurk for my undaunted overhaul