I really think overload needs a nerf. Big time.

Brrrofski · January 2016

eliisra wrote: »

I have way more problems with Focused Aim/heavy sneak attack, gap closers immobilize spam and the Uppercuts in PvP. They aren't even Ultimates like Overload, but kills me way faster.

So I dont get is why Overload is the problem. It's also mitigated by CP and has no secondary effects or cc. I just spam light armor shield personally if I cant LoS or need to save stamina.

Overload is also cursed by the "projectile travelling times v.s performance v.s moving targets" phenomena in PvP. Half the time the bolt wont even reach or connect to it's target.

But I do think Overload is a bit over-tuned in PvE. It allows even mediocre dps to use force tactics on bosses and ignore mechanics. Like, if you want use force tactic with other classes the dps needs to be tight with perfectly timed rotation. Sorc's can suck and still pull it of as long as they saved 1000 ulti. But it's not like the NPC's are going to complain about it lol.

Without that overload on boss fight though they would be a lot behind other builds. So I don't see an issue with it.

Vynist · January 2016

Peel_Ya_Cap_517 wrote: »

Please stop

All Ultimates do around 30k damage..

Which ultimates do 30k?

starlizard70ub17_ESO · January 2016

DannyLV702 wrote: »

Johngo0036 wrote: »

@DannyLV702 - lol.. don't cast it towards DK's or anyone running Defensive posture..
OR
You Will NUKE yourself.

Exactly. I'm even afraid of throwing an ice commet into a large crowd from the fear of hitting a DK lol

LOL, had that ^ happen to me once, I stopped doing after that.

aLi3nZ · January 2016

Maybe I will upload a video of overload gank kills in ic sewers here later for the lolz. Always nice when you can sneak , stalk and down a unsuspecting player in a few seconds. Revenge is sweet against those sneaky cloaking nightblades who have done the same to me many times before I ever tried this.

Vangy · January 2016

Overload is fine. What irks me is the 3rd bar. Skills slots are the most valuable thing in Eso combat. A kind of a hard cap. When someone has access to a whole 3rd bar over u they just have so much more utility. I'd like my leap to give me a 3rd bar for 30s please?

Decado · January 2016

eliisra wrote: »

I have way more problems with Focused Aim/heavy sneak attack, gap closers immobilize spam and the Uppercuts in PvP. They aren't even Ultimates like Overload, but kills me way faster.

So I dont get is why Overload is the problem. It's also mitigated by CP and has no secondary effects or cc. I just spam light armor shield personally if I cant LoS or need to save stamina.

Overload is also cursed by the "projectile travelling times v.s performance v.s moving targets" phenomena in PvP. Half the time the bolt wont even reach or connect to it's target.

But I do think Overload is a bit over-tuned in PvE. It allows even mediocre dps to use force tactics on bosses and ignore mechanics. Like, if you want use force tactic with other classes the dps needs to be tight with perfectly timed rotation. Sorc's can suck and still pull it of as long as they saved 1000 ulti. But it's not like the NPC's are going to complain about it lol.

The thing is even in PvE it's not as OP as you think, when used correctly it is really
Powerful but you then have to sacrifice ultimates for other fights, take sanctum for example, I go in with my sorc already at 1000 ultimate I then burn down the manticora pulling decent DPS probably
Higher than most the DKs (who still
Pull high numbers) anyway after that fight I do not use it again until the very end boss so running through the rest of the trial I do not use it all, now I know this isn't particularly difficult but your numbers still drop, then again use it on the final
Boss (unless your on lamia duty) and then pull good numbers again, but if you averaged out the numbers throughout the whole dungeon a sorc will be pretty close to a magicka DK it's all about knowing when to use it and when to build it up

Smolt · January 2016

It pulls people out of cloak too.

MormondPayne_EP · January 2016

Infinite12 wrote: »

20-30k damage regukarly from this attack, from a class that's already op. Kinda ridiculous.

ITS AN ULTIMATE

Easily dodge-able...

xXNesTXx · January 2016

Peel_Ya_Cap_517 wrote: »

Please stop

All Ultimates do around 30k damage..

The biggest lie ever seen since 9/11

Stikato · January 2016

Remove the ability to store up to 1000%+ ultimate.

Problem solved.

Peel_Ya_Cap_517 · January 2016

Vynist wrote: »

Peel_Ya_Cap_517 wrote: »

Please stop

All Ultimates do around 30k damage..

Which ultimates do 30k?

Perhaps you guys have *** builds? lol

Dawnbreaker does 30K+ to Undead, Soul Strike can do as much as 45k, Meteor easily does 30-40k if the target stays in the area. Then, theres the AoE ultimates that do 10k+ to EACH target in the area: Bat Swarm, Dragon Leap, Soul Harvest, etc. Meaning, if you use it on 3 or more people, it does over 30k!

Makkir · January 2016

BuggeX wrote: »

do you call 1161 smal?? that would be a effectiv 2k mag regen buff since overload can hit any second aigan

That magicka return is negligible considering overload rarely hits your target. You might have grounds for an argument if the projectile moved at a speed of, say, crushing shock. Any stamina build getting destroyed by light attacks from overload is really a lack of situational awareness or the player was CC'd and unable to dodge. Outside of that, I find it just a waste of an ultimate slot. I am only slotting it right now so I can put situational utility on a third bar.

I honestly don't know how ANY stamina player can open his/her mouth on these forums complaining about any other class right now...with all the utter Bullshat going on in Cyrodiil currently.

a) Getting WB locked....Yes this is a thing now. Completely locked in a spam of Wrecking Blows (typically at least 2 ppl) unable to break free/dodge/react with a full stamina bar. Maybe we can blame lag for the unresponsiveness.
b) The Ambush, Surprise Assault garbage. All my death recaps last night were just spam-bushes and SA. How many of you die to 2+ players and on your recap see Frags > Frags > Frags > Frags > Frags?

Last night I was one shotted (From my perspective) from an obviously very skilled player whose animation cancelling sequence was able to kill me regardless of my slamming my mouse down trying to repeatedly break free with a full stamina bar. That person then sent me a whisper saying "Hows that for cheap tactics

" That to me is an admission of guilt, blatantly admitting they are abusing cheap tactics for an easy kill.

Anyone denying this isn't a thing right now is abusing it or absolutely naive.

If I were you, stamina dudes, I would zip your pie holes and enjoy your AP while you can.

BuggeX · January 2016

Peel_Ya_Cap_517 wrote: »

Vynist wrote: »

Peel_Ya_Cap_517 wrote: »

Please stop

All Ultimates do around 30k damage..

Which ultimates do 30k?

Perhaps you guys have *** builds? lol

Dawnbreaker does 30K+ to Undead, Soul Strike can do as much as 45k, Meteor easily does 30-40k if the target stays in the area. Then, theres the AoE ultimates that do 10k+ to EACH target in the area: Bat Swarm, Dragon Leap, Soul Harvest, etc. Meaning, if you use it on 3 or more people, it does over 30k!

do you know this is a pvp thread, vs Players and battleshit buff?

Cinbri · January 2016

I don't wanna see Overload nerf, i wanna see all other ultimates buffed to match Overload.The game of nerfs is not fun.

Derra · January 2016

eliisra wrote: »

I have way more problems with Focused Aim/heavy sneak attack, gap closers immobilize spam and the Uppercuts in PvP. They aren't even Ultimates like Overload, but kills me way faster.

So I dont get is why Overload is the problem. It's also mitigated by CP and has no secondary effects or cc. I just spam light armor shield personally if I cant LoS or need to save stamina.

Overload is also cursed by the "projectile travelling times v.s performance v.s moving targets" phenomena in PvP. Half the time the bolt wont even reach or connect to it's target.

But I do think Overload is a bit over-tuned in PvE. It allows even mediocre dps to use force tactics on bosses and ignore mechanics. Like, if you want use force tactic with other classes the dps needs to be tight with perfectly timed rotation. Sorc's can suck and still pull it of as long as they saved 1000 ulti. But it's not like the NPC's are going to complain about it lol.

The problem with sorc pve DPS without overload is - it sucks.

It´s a poorly designed ability but as soon as the fight is not stationary for a sorc to break 16k dps you need overload. That´s the state the class is in for pve.

Edit: I don´t want to see overload nerfed - i´d much rather see it changed entirely - but that´s unlikely to happen as it would require a rework of sorc dps for pve.

Tankqull · January 2016

Derra wrote: »

eliisra wrote: »

I have way more problems with Focused Aim/heavy sneak attack, gap closers immobilize spam and the Uppercuts in PvP. They aren't even Ultimates like Overload, but kills me way faster.

So I dont get is why Overload is the problem. It's also mitigated by CP and has no secondary effects or cc. I just spam light armor shield personally if I cant LoS or need to save stamina.

Overload is also cursed by the "projectile travelling times v.s performance v.s moving targets" phenomena in PvP. Half the time the bolt wont even reach or connect to it's target.

But I do think Overload is a bit over-tuned in PvE. It allows even mediocre dps to use force tactics on bosses and ignore mechanics. Like, if you want use force tactic with other classes the dps needs to be tight with perfectly timed rotation. Sorc's can suck and still pull it of as long as they saved 1000 ulti. But it's not like the NPC's are going to complain about it lol.

The problem with sorc pve DPS without overload is - it sucks.

It´s a poorly designed ability but as soon as the fight is not stationary for a sorc to break 16k dps you need overload. That´s the state the class is in for pve.

Edit: I don´t want to see overload nerfed - i´d much rather see it changed entirely - but that´s unlikely to happen as it would require a rework of sorc dps for pve.

this.

dodgehopper_ESO · January 2016

imredneckson wrote: »

Infinite12 wrote: »

20-30k damage regukarly from this attack, from a class that's already op. Kinda ridiculous.

Easy ways to counter overload
DKs-reflective scales, shuffle, defensive stance, stack shields, roll dodge
Templar- shuffle, defensive stance, eclipse, stack shields, roll dodge
NB- cloak, shuffle, double take, defensive stance, stack shields, roll dodge
Sorcs-shuffle, defensive stance, stack shields, roll dodge

Sorcs also have Bolt Escape (A lot of people forget that one because of so many streak-ers out there).

catalyst10e · January 2016

make my crystal frags self proc and you can nerf whatever you want to overload...

dodgehopper_ESO · January 2016

Decado wrote: »

eliisra wrote: »

I have way more problems with Focused Aim/heavy sneak attack, gap closers immobilize spam and the Uppercuts in PvP. They aren't even Ultimates like Overload, but kills me way faster.

So I dont get is why Overload is the problem. It's also mitigated by CP and has no secondary effects or cc. I just spam light armor shield personally if I cant LoS or need to save stamina.

Overload is also cursed by the "projectile travelling times v.s performance v.s moving targets" phenomena in PvP. Half the time the bolt wont even reach or connect to it's target.

But I do think Overload is a bit over-tuned in PvE. It allows even mediocre dps to use force tactics on bosses and ignore mechanics. Like, if you want use force tactic with other classes the dps needs to be tight with perfectly timed rotation. Sorc's can suck and still pull it of as long as they saved 1000 ulti. But it's not like the NPC's are going to complain about it lol.

The thing is even in PvE it's not as OP as you think, when used correctly it is really
Powerful but you then have to sacrifice ultimates for other fights, take sanctum for example, I go in with my sorc already at 1000 ultimate I then burn down the manticora pulling decent DPS probably
Higher than most the DKs (who still
Pull high numbers) anyway after that fight I do not use it again until the very end boss so running through the rest of the trial I do not use it all, now I know this isn't particularly difficult but your numbers still drop, then again use it on the final
Boss (unless your on lamia duty) and then pull good numbers again, but if you averaged out the numbers throughout the whole dungeon a sorc will be pretty close to a magicka DK it's all about knowing when to use it and when to build it up

I agree with @Decado here.

Ashamray · January 2016

Make Overload projectiles be animated like Dark Flare. Make them suffer!

Derra · January 2016

Ashamray wrote: »

Make Overload projectiles be animated like Dark Flare. Make them suffer!

Believe me one thing - you don´t want overload projectiles with a longer traveltime that can be stacked by a sorc running towards you with a speedbuff when you´re not aware of that.

dodgehopper_ESO · January 2016

Derra wrote: »

Ashamray wrote: »

Make Overload projectiles be animated like Dark Flare. Make them suffer!

Believe me one thing - you don´t want overload projectiles with a longer traveltime that can be stacked by a sorc running towards you with a speedbuff when you´re not aware of that.

That's funny, this whole topic got me thinking about how painfully slow the Templar projectiles are.

Heindrich · January 2016

I have literally never been killed by Overload alone and I love reflecting it with my DK. I also don't ever use Overload in PvP or know any other good Sorcs that do.

In other words... L2P issue.

Ashamray · January 2016

Derra wrote: »

Ashamray wrote: »

Make Overload projectiles be animated like Dark Flare. Make them suffer!

Believe me one thing - you don´t want overload projectiles with a longer traveltime that can be stacked by a sorc running towards you with a speedbuff when you´re not aware of that.

Well, It will be a beautiful death at least )

Lexxypwns · January 2016

Peel_Ya_Cap_517 wrote: »

Vynist wrote: »

Peel_Ya_Cap_517 wrote: »

Please stop

All Ultimates do around 30k damage..

Which ultimates do 30k?

Perhaps you guys have *** builds? lol

Dawnbreaker does 30K+ to Undead, Soul Strike can do as much as 45k, Meteor easily does 30-40k if the target stays in the area. Then, theres the AoE ultimates that do 10k+ to EACH target in the area: Bat Swarm, Dragon Leap, Soul Harvest, etc. Meaning, if you use it on 3 or more people, it does over 30k!

I wanna see a non-emp do 10k damage with bats

Emma_Overload · January 2016

Ha ha ha... OP wants to nerf an ULTIMATE that barely does as much DPS as a cheap Wrecking Blow spammer?!?!

NO.

Waffennacht · January 2016

The only people I know whom complain about Overload have mediocre builds at best themselves.

Wrecking blow can consistently hit 10k + and costs no ult
Snipe
Radiant Oppression
Any execute
Frags
Curse
Magicka Det
Dragon Leap
Almost any stamina move
Almost any move at all with a good build

The 3 bars is cuz we gots nothin but toggles and 3 attacks

Cinnamon_Spider · January 2016

Heindrich wrote: »

I have literally never been killed by Overload alone and I love reflecting it with my DK. I also don't ever use Overload in PvP or know any other good Sorcs that do.

In other words... L2P issue.

Yeah. What sorc would even use that in PVP?

Makkir · January 2016

Derra wrote: »

The problem with sorc pve DPS without overload is - it sucks.

It´s a poorly designed ability but as soon as the fight is not stationary for a sorc to break 16k dps you need overload. That´s the state the class is in for pve.

Edit: I don´t want to see overload nerfed - i´d much rather see it changed entirely - but that´s unlikely to happen as it would require a rework of sorc dps for pve.

But all the naysayers here don't bother thinking about the PvE adverse effects. Same thing with the Nerf Healing Ward arguments. Sorc Healers without Healing Ward - they suck

Makkir · January 2016

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

Heindrich wrote: »

I have literally never been killed by Overload alone and I love reflecting it with my DK. I also don't ever use Overload in PvP or know any other good Sorcs that do.

In other words... L2P issue.

Yeah. What sorc would even use that in PVP?

Sorcs that do it from behind obviously.