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When ZOS makes a change they should look at XP earned, not Level.
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ZOS's policies when it comes time to make a change tends to punish the folks that have supported them the longest. My suggestion to fix this is simple,
Look at the XP earned rather than the level a character is at when a change to leveling is made. This should be made retro-active to the creation of the character.
How many folks continued to play characters that were max level before a change was made, yet you only give them the same credit as someone who just hit max level the day before a change. What about the folks that earned levels when they were 1 million + per level as compared to now.
I get the idea of making sure new players are competitive, but to have the potential of a new player being ahead of players that have earned more is just plain wrong.
Edit: changed word when to before "How many folks continued to play characters that were max level before a change was made"
Edited by Casdha on January 14, 2016 2:12PM Look at the XP earned rather than the level a character is at when a change to leveling is made. This should be made retro-active to the creation of the character.
How many folks continued to play characters that were max level before a change was made, yet you only give them the same credit as someone who just hit max level the day before a change. What about the folks that earned levels when they were 1 million + per level as compared to now.
I get the idea of making sure new players are competitive, but to have the potential of a new player being ahead of players that have earned more is just plain wrong.
Edit: changed word when to before "How many folks continued to play characters that were max level before a change was made"
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Entitlement = when you have earned something (Social Security)
Elitism = You think you deserve it just because you are you. (Trust Fund)Proud member of the Psijic Order - The first wave - The 0.016%0 -
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Entitlement = when you have earned something (Social Security)
Elitism = You think you deserve it just because you are you. (Trust Fund)
Ergo......you think you deserve more just because you have played longer. Thankyou for your time in this matter. It has been a pleasure correcting you.0 -
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Entitlement = when you have earned something (Social Security)
Elitism = You think you deserve it just because you are you. (Trust Fund)
Ergo......you think you deserve more just because you have played longer. Thankyou for your time in this matter. It has been a pleasure correcting you.
Yes it is a fun way to wake up, and what You think you deserve more because you've played less?Proud member of the Psijic Order - The first wave - The 0.016%0 -
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✭✭✭✭You're discounting people who play multiple characters though. They play the game as much, just on other toons. If you unlocked things based on time playing a character then a lot of people, myself included would enjoy the game less as I'd be forced to use one toon.0 -
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Entitlement = when you have earned something (Social Security)
Elitism = You think you deserve it just because you are you. (Trust Fund)
Ergo......you think you deserve more just because you have played longer. Thankyou for your time in this matter. It has been a pleasure correcting you.
Yes it is a fun way to wake up, and what You think you deserve more because you've played less?
I have made no such claim young sir. I have merely stated that your idea was elitist. If you are british I have no doubt you are tory.0 -
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✭You're discounting people who play multiple characters though. They play the game as much, just on other toons. If you unlocked things based on time playing a character then a lot of people, myself included would enjoy the game less as I'd be forced to use one toon.
No that is not what I'm saying at all, There are tons of folks who got screwed with the last change. They had multiple VRs and only got a 70 CP cap when things were changed. This would rectify that situation, especially if you played the character before the change and earned enough to get to VR with today's standards but are still stuck at sub VR levels.
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jzholloway✭✭✭I can see the idea, but it is an MMO where, like Buffler said, many people play many different toons, etc. Part of the point of waiting for updates/DLC is to be able to explore other approaches, which means playing with other characters. If you hit an experience peak, play end game and get your gear... your advantage is that you have more opportunity to playing end game content, therefore having a better chance at RNG. A newer player doesn't have the same amount of time to do those thing. You also have had more time to research gear, gain gold, gets mats, etc, then a newer person - so you are more likely to be able to craft 9 piece sets over the newer guy. This game is not just about XP, it is about the whole experience (no pun intended).
The best example of this is this - I switched from PC to PS4, transferred my toons over, had a an advantage early on, especially with crafting, but ultimately that was it. Eventually people catch up. Be happy new people are playing and keeping this game alive on all platforms. New people should not be punished, likewise, us older players should not have stuff handed to us just because we have the accrued XP. If that was the case, there would be no blance.PC/NA0 -
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✭You get the pleasure of playing the game at max level for longer than the newbies; I'm not sure anything else is warranted.I have departed into the great unknown that is outside the game and the forums, and wish you well in your Tamriel adventures!
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✭Well this doesn't affect me at all, I'm trying to look out for the folks on the loosing end of the stick.
I just don't see how folks think a character who is not at cap with 1000 hours played should stay less than a character who is at cap with 500 hours played is fair, much less an elite attitude.
If they have more time in they should at least be equal, not behind those who have played less.Proud member of the Psijic Order - The first wave - The 0.016%0 -
jzholloway✭✭✭Well this doesn't affect me at all, I'm trying to look out for the folks on the loosing end of the stick.
I just don't see how folks think a character who is not at cap with 1000 hours played should stay less than a character who is at cap with 500 hours played is fair, much less an elite attitude.
If they have more time in they should at least be equal, not behind those who have played less.
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✭Well this doesn't affect me at all, I'm trying to look out for the folks on the loosing end of the stick.
I just don't see how folks think a character who is not at cap with 1000 hours played should stay less than a character who is at cap with 500 hours played is fair, much less an elite attitude.
If they have more time in they should at least be equal, not behind those who have played less.
I'm one of these people; I have 905 hours clocked in-game and just hit 300 the other day. I still think that I don't deserve more CP like this, as I've been having fun in the game and not worrying about having to grind CP or levels etc.
At a point you resign yourself to the fate that there are going to be no-lifers who get better stuff than you via mindless grinding, and you have to live with that.I have departed into the great unknown that is outside the game and the forums, and wish you well in your Tamriel adventures!
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✭Just for the record, where I stand I have about 1600 hours across all characters (I have 5 with 2 VR16 and a VR4) and I have 316 CP
Edit: 2000 hours was wrong, Sorry just checked I have 1569.75 hours played on those 5 characters. I can't check the 3 I have deleted over the course of the game, and I can't count the time I spent early on playing both NA and EU servers.Edited by Casdha on January 14, 2016 3:38PMProud member of the Psijic Order - The first wave - The 0.016%0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭The in-game functions to get earned XP only count back to the last level up. It can't easily be actioned retroactively because that data is not readily available. For example, I just hit VR2. My XP since VR2 is 12,344. The function GetUnitXP() will show 12,344, and not my total earned XP, which is something like 3,159,308.UESP: The Unofficial Elder Scrolls Pages - A collaborative source for all knowledge on the Elder Scrolls series since 1995
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✭The in-game functions to get earned XP only count back to the last level up. It can't easily be actioned retroactively because that data is not readily available. For example, I just hit VR2. My XP since VR2 is 12,344. The function GetUnitXP() will show 12,344, and not my total earned XP, which is something like 3,159,308.
If they can't keep up with it like /played does for time, then yes it can never happen. But, I still think if they are giving the amount that they are on this conversion then many of the folks that got the initial 70 got robbed since everyone knows you are likely to get twice that by the time you get to VR14 (max level at the time of the first change) much less the folks who had multiple max level characters at the initial change.Proud member of the Psijic Order - The first wave - The 0.016%0 -
M_TeK_9✭✭✭I am not of an elitest mentality. I oversee the PvE aspect of a 500 person guild. We do not allow elitsm to taint our community.That sir, is elitism
You sicken me. You're just complaining to complain here I mean really? You grind and play for 6 months more than a guy who just bought the game a week ago, met a few people and attained VR 16 and you think what the OP is asking for falls under elite? It's nothing but blatant fairness. XP EARNED. Earned is the word and you may want to look in to what it means.
Entitlement = when you have earned something (Social Security)
Elitism = You think you deserve it just because you are you. (Trust Fund)
Ergo......you think you deserve more just because you have played longer. Thankyou for your time in this matter. It has been a pleasure correcting you.
Levels are achieved by obtaining experience points. You obtain experience through playing the game and and advancing through the game. If they are removing the current ranking system and they know exactly how much experience person or people have obtained, the only sensible and logical thing to do would be to grant said players a rank from the new system that would require the user to obtain the amount of xp the player has ALREADY worked for through the last ranking fiasco.
It really is astonishing and embarrassing to witness people like you in action.Edited by M_TeK_9 on January 15, 2016 7:06AM1 -
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✭point of the OP is giving newer players less reason to start playing the game and have to try and keep up even harder, there is a reason why they softcap CP you know0 -
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✭have to add though this isn't just against the OP. but having the game played more why feel entitled to get more? you already had the pleasure of playing the game. isn't that the reason why you play any game anyway? IDGAF if you played 200 hours or 20000 hours. if you play more you probably have more cp, more gold, more mats, more crafting taits researched and beter gear. so in a way you are already a bit ahead of others but not so mutch it breaks the game for others0 -
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✭Well at least some folks around here think I'm Elite
Now if I could just get that to transfer over to PvP, I'd be all set.Proud member of the Psijic Order - The first wave - The 0.016%0 -
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I'm sorry but you tell me that 1 player that was lvl on VR when was 1 million instead of what is now have done a better job then those that is lvl up??
Are you joke now atlest i hope you are for you are put in same effort as those that was lvl VR when it was 1 million and honest many of them was just basically exploiting bugs and glitcher on boss so yeah them have done alot better job them those how lvl up and yeah let them be more "competitive" them for cheating why not ^^
For the was many post about exploiting at start of ESO on this forum.
Everyone should get same right to competitive for hit end game even if the did in 2 first month of this game of if you do 2 year after the game be online or even 10 year after game event online the are no difference when get to end game or how you do fact is you made and therefore you have earn your rewards.
! question so how do you think about those how will hit end game after VR system is remove the have not earn right get there as competitive as next one?
You do know the person that play this game since beta or at start of ESO are more competitive then new player for have know game alot better them a new player + those player that hit max lvl back in the day do mostlike have better gear as well.
I have play since beta and honest im more competitive that friend of my that start under Xmas in many ways like in craft, gearing, know everything are in game, how trian many mounts and how to train my craft skills on new alt for i have to teach him all this thing or let him learn by himself.
So is i more competitive then him i would say yes in many way in way i know how thing work in game.If you find yourself alone, riding in green fields with the sun on your face, do not be troubled; for you are in Elysium, and you're already deadWhat we do in life, echoes in eternity0 -
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I've never condoned Exploiting the game and I think that those that do should be banned.
I have no problem with a catch up mechanic, I want new players to pick up this game and be competitive.
To anyone else:
My suggestion has nothing to do with giving folks something they did not earn, it is simply to make sure that they don't get left behind again.
As I stated before, This suggestion has nothing to do with me as it will not affect me at all. It is simply to make sure that any future changes are treated fairly. Nothing can be done about the changes that have already been made.
My argument does not come from what I have but the fact that folks played a lot more than me got the same thing I got on the last change when they should have gotten a lot more because they earned more. If the last change was done like this change, they would have gotten a lot more than they did but still not what they deserved.
If things go like I expect then there are still going to be a lot of you folks (or new folks) who are going to get screwed because of your choice to play one character or multiple characters. It won't be until then when folks realize what I'm trying to say.
We will see when ZOS finalizes how they are going to do things.
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✭ZOS's policies when it comes time to make a change tends to punish the folks that have supported them the longest. My suggestion to fix this is simple,
Look at the XP earned rather than the level a character is at when a change to leveling is made. This should be made retro-active to the creation of the character.
How many folks continued to play characters that were max level before a change was made, yet you only give them the same credit as someone who just hit max level the day before a change. What about the folks that earned levels when they were 1 million + per level as compared to now.
I get the idea of making sure new players are competitive, but to have the potential of a new player being ahead of players that have earned more is just plain wrong.
Edit: changed word when to before "How many folks continued to play characters that were max level before a change was made"
ZOS should make changes as they consider this will help the game go profitable. Video gaming is a very expensive industry and if you keep satisfying the veteran players needs in decrements of profit then the game will die very quickly.
However I agree that they should seek for veteran players advice when doing some major changes....the combined efforts can bring extraordinary results both profit and content quality wise.
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✭Just remember in the future that you only get credit for doing the content once (Silver and Gold and what ever else comes along)
If you don't get credit for doing the content then that is a lost chance to earn, you don't get to do it again just because they make a change and credit is suppose to be earned by doing what you've already completed.
I hope folks have the same attitude when it hits them, because it will eventually.Proud member of the Psijic Order - The first wave - The 0.016%0 -
M_TeK_9✭✭✭I dont even like the catch up system. Simple and plain, if you're behind in the game it's because you're behind in the damn game and you very well know it. Possible reasons being you dont play as much or just got the game ....and you damn right you should be behind. Thats how things work. You slack on homework - you'll fall behind. Dont work as much - less money. Dont put the time in? Less XP. And that's fair.0
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Who said that? The Champion System may be account wide, but each character will still be able to do the content separately and earn CPs from it. I've got 3 chars to get through Silver and Gold, and I'm waiting for VRs to be removed so that I can take full advantage of getting three rounds of CP from it.Just remember in the future that you only get credit for doing the content once (Silver and Gold and what ever else comes along)UESP: The Unofficial Elder Scrolls Pages - A collaborative source for all knowledge on the Elder Scrolls series since 1995
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You are complaining about a change of almost a year ago. Everything since CP arrived is as you want. All xp gained since then goes to your CP and your CP is what determines your level of elitism going forward.
If you had many VR14 toons when Cp launched then you play a lot and if you played a lot then you probably still do now so you should be way ahead of anyone else. You will also be at 501 Cp a long time ago so those extra you didn't get when Cp started are irrelevant.
I don't see the problem, but suspect your post is more about letting the rest of us know how long you have been playing for rather than wanting justice for being crooked out of your alt's VR levels.My internet is invalid0 -
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