Did the Adult Themes in ESO Bother You?

dodgehopper_ESO · January 2016

Gidorick wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

TheShadowScout wrote: »

ESO still has too many "tame" scenes.
From "badly wounded" NPCs who just hold their belly, but have no blood or wounds visible; to mandatory bras (which generally weren't really a thing during the periods most associated with fantasy RPG setups); from the game offering "Corpses" in only "looks like sleeping" and "skeletal or charred husk" while skipping all the gruesome possibilities in between; to the game stopping at vague hints when it comes to any naughty stuff; from a general lack of logical results for non-yestiges to engage in medieval warfare (aka, people with lost limbs); to the nonexistence of toilets overlooking that theoretically our characters -would- have body functions...

...

Actually....there are chamber pots you can steal in the Ledgermaine line. Since ESO is a pseudo-medieval and magical setting it makes sense there wouldn't be bathrooms and plumbing as we are used to. There WOULD be chamberposts and...since everything is so darn clean in the cities...one imagines there must be some sort of magical sanitation process going on. I'm fine with that.

Magical sanitation? What if mages have made it a practice to open up portals and they just throw human waste through? They're not concerned where the stuff goes, it just goes away. And then we could have a quest line that could take us to this oblivion plane of poo.

This must be the REAL REASON daedra hate humanity/meranity.

dodgehopper_ESO · January 2016

Glaiceana wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

Axorn wrote: »

Mr.Hmm wrote: »

ESO is... a virtual game in a fantasy world that has nothing to do with our world...

I will never understand why people have problems when they use such strong language and murder/***/swearing/drug in a game...

Just because of such people alot of games that had the potential to become very great(Awesome) got crippled.

Please do not bring real-world vs virtual-world because they are 2 different things when it comes to games. I really wish such people become more open-minded.

I disagree with you, eso may be virtual thing or your character in tamriel but still your brain process the data in real world and still you experience that stuff virtual or not. Its just your extension.

If you view your character in a video game as a legitimate extension of yourself and literally experience emotional upset over the things you do in a video game you need some professional level help in identifying the difference between fantasy and reality.

I don't think it's as serious as that. It's a form of morals and empathy. It's not weird to play your character and make choices that you would if it was you. I play the game this way. I think I have a lot of empathy. And even if it is only game characters, I can still feel guilty if I accidentally choose the wrong option and the wrong person gets killed or sacrificed. But that's just in that moment, I'm not going to be upset about it forever. I don't think this means I need professional help... I know the difference between reality and fantasy.
So yes to the OPs question, I have only been bothered by it when I accidentally make a bad choice and the innocent person gets killed or sacrificed. I feel sad or guilty. But only temporarily. It doesn't mean there's anything wrong with the game though.

I've done this as well. My Nightblade is a shadowscale so he plays the more quick and dirty fighting style where anything goes. My Templar on the other hand when I ran the story had a singular mistake I remember, where I clicked the wrong option, and it had an exact opposite result of what I was expecting (either that or it was a missclick I can't recollect). It wasn't until later that I realized I could have started the quest over (I probably wouldn't have though) if I abandoned and started it over. I understand the state of mind here though. We're part of the storytelling process when we play the game and it is annoying when you feel as though the story doesn't give you proper options, or worse the result seems wildly opposite of what you chose. I also agree that having empathy with what is going on in a video game or movie is not the same as having a difficulty discerning the difference between reality and fantasy.

MornaBaine · January 2016

Lysette wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

Jura23 wrote: »

Not at all. What is a bit unsettling sometimes are ppl complaining we don't have enough sexy costumes in the game.

How is that disturbing? In real life people dress in a range of clothing from extremely modest to extremely revealing. Depending on the situation, the same person may dress at both extremes. What I wear to the office is a far cry from what I wear to a night out at a fetish club. Why shouldn't our characters have the same latitude?

I think that would be displaced in ESO - there are more than enough Korean games, which do it like that, but that is not the kind of game I would want to play in. I am just thinking of what people make out of a single-player game like Skyrim with mods, which allow that. Half naked or naked school girls or anime like characters in Skyrim, that is ridiculous, but because it is private, they can do that of course. But ESO is public, not a solo-game, something like this in ESO would no longer be the kind of game, I would want to be part of. Some might like it, but it would be immersion breaking for many if not for most.

Mature does not mean kinky to me, what you suggest is kink. I don't want kink in this game, that is what second life is for.

You would be mistaken. I'm not asking for spiked heels and G-strings. I absolutely don't want to see cheesy anime schoolgirls. I even poked fun at the concept art for the upcoming Dunmer costume that features thigh high stockings which are ludicrous. What I do expect are robes with necklines lower than the collar bone. Scandalous, I know! Frankly I'm FAR more annoyed by big burly Orc and Nord men prancing around in the wedding dress than I would be by an exposed thigh. The world of Tamriel is composed of many races and we know that the Dunmer at least can and do at times pretty much see sex as a sport. Hence the brothel in EP. Frankly, I'm stunned there are no brothels in the other racial areas as well. And yeah, I kinda think there should be because that sort of thing has gone on with those who use sexual reproduction as long as sexual procreation has been around. I don't play this game to indulge in "cyber" but I see nothing at all wrong with portraying some characters in scanty attire if that is indeed the sort of thing they would wear. I was happy with the dancing girls costumes that just came out and I'll be even happier when we can dye them. I bought them for the TWO of my eight characters who would actually wear that sort of thing. Now ZOS needs to get busy and come up with something in a similar vein for men. Because the inherent sexism of making revealing costumes ONLY for female characters DOES annoy the sweet bejezus out of me.

MornaBaine · January 2016

I_killed_Vivec wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

If you view your character in a video game as a legitimate extension of yourself and literally experience emotional upset over the things you do in a video game you need some professional level help in identifying the difference between fantasy and reality.

Really?

So you'd say you shouldn't be emotionally affected by a book or a film, or any piece of art? If you can feel some attachment for a character in a book then why not for a character in a game? Particularly if your actions affect them.

In fact I'm pretty sure a lot of psychiatrists would argue that not being able to emphasize with characters (or having the ability to switch off empathy) is evidence of psychopathic tenancies.

No, you should NOT be emotionally affected by a book, film, piece of art or a game...TO THE POINT WHERE YOU WANT IT DUMBED DOWN SO THAT YOU WON'T FEEL THAT WAY BECAUSE IT CAUSES YOU REAL DISTRESS. Of course we are moved by these things unless we are jaded beyond all belief. Experiencing that shows that the thing that caused it was well done. That is NOT cause to scale it back and make it bland and unaffecting, which seemed to me to be what the OP may have been suggesting. And so yes, I do think that if you are SO affected by a game, film, book or piece of art so deeply that you want it changed and watered down so you won't be....you may indeed have some trouble telling the difference between fantasy and reality or at least in developing a healthy separation between your real self and a fictional character you play. I'm a roleplayer and my characters rum the gamut from serial killers to completely good and sweet young widows. From respectably married and fully monogamous to "wild child"...and a priestess of Dibella for good measure who truly believes sex is a sacrament and would never engage in it frivolously. Hardened killers to sweetroll baking sweethearts. Strangely, -I- neither bake nor kill people. Obviously, I must be deeply mentally ill.

Gidorick · January 2016

I kind of wish the costumes had male and female variants so if a man wears it looks one way but if a woman wears it, it looks another. One of the new costumes would be perfect if the female top was a little vest for the guy. It would be very Aladdin-esque.

Glaiceana · January 2016

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Glaiceana wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

Axorn wrote: »

Mr.Hmm wrote: »

ESO is... a virtual game in a fantasy world that has nothing to do with our world...

I will never understand why people have problems when they use such strong language and murder/***/swearing/drug in a game...

Just because of such people alot of games that had the potential to become very great(Awesome) got crippled.

Please do not bring real-world vs virtual-world because they are 2 different things when it comes to games. I really wish such people become more open-minded.

I disagree with you, eso may be virtual thing or your character in tamriel but still your brain process the data in real world and still you experience that stuff virtual or not. Its just your extension.

If you view your character in a video game as a legitimate extension of yourself and literally experience emotional upset over the things you do in a video game you need some professional level help in identifying the difference between fantasy and reality.

I don't think it's as serious as that. It's a form of morals and empathy. It's not weird to play your character and make choices that you would if it was you. I play the game this way. I think I have a lot of empathy. And even if it is only game characters, I can still feel guilty if I accidentally choose the wrong option and the wrong person gets killed or sacrificed. But that's just in that moment, I'm not going to be upset about it forever. I don't think this means I need professional help... I know the difference between reality and fantasy.
So yes to the OPs question, I have only been bothered by it when I accidentally make a bad choice and the innocent person gets killed or sacrificed. I feel sad or guilty. But only temporarily. It doesn't mean there's anything wrong with the game though.

I've done this as well. My Nightblade is a shadowscale so he plays the more quick and dirty fighting style where anything goes. My Templar on the other hand when I ran the story had a singular mistake I remember, where I clicked the wrong option, and it had an exact opposite result of what I was expecting (either that or it was a missclick I can't recollect). It wasn't until later that I realized I could have started the quest over (I probably wouldn't have though) if I abandoned and started it over. I understand the state of mind here though. We're part of the storytelling process when we play the game and it is annoying when you feel as though the story doesn't give you proper options, or worse the result seems wildly opposite of what you chose. I also agree that having empathy with what is going on in a video game or movie is not the same as having a difficulty discerning the difference between reality and fantasy.

Yep completely agree with you. I remember one quest, I can't remember the name or location now, but there was an argonian that was trying to impress the elves with his poetry or song, and I think if you tell him the wrong things to say (probably didn't read the book right), they hate him and then he ends up getting killed. He was just trying to be successful. Still remember that one and it annoys me.

MornaBaine · January 2016

Gidorick wrote: »

I kind of wish the costumes had male and female variants so if a man wears it looks one way but if a woman wears it, it looks another. One of the new costumes would be perfect if the female top was a little vest for the guy. It would be very Aladdin-esque.

Yep, all they'd have to do is alter the top on this one to look like a vest and it would be awesome for male characters!

Although I guess this one on the left is what they are planing for the male version:

And THIS is what ticks me off right here. So we can show skin on the girls but not the guys??? What if I WANT to show off the abs of steel on my male characters??? Grrrr..... Really ZOS, sexist much?

SmokeXF · January 2016

2 different things

RedBeams · January 2016

CavalierPrime wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Actually... ESO could use MORE adult themes.

If you mean hot coffee with Evili Sharp-Arrow, I second that sentiment!

^ This

Lysette · January 2016

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Well, back to the topic - I personally do not need gore and sometimes it is overdone in games. Take for example Fallout 4, I tend to take "bloody mess" perk, because I want the damage bonus, but the gore added is just ridiculous and unnecessary IMO.

I have to agree. Bloody Mess is almost a requirement, but it is silly. I shoot a guy in the arm, and his whole body explodes into meaty chunks? Its part of the history and theme of the game, you just have to go along with it, even though I agree it is pretty silly. I wouldn't pick it in fallout, but a 5% bonus to damage is really hard to pass up.

Yes, I play a "Blitz-Ninja-Rooted-Grim Reaper-Lone Wanderer-Stealth" combi, so I am always right beside the target when it goes down and the amount of gore added by bloody mess fills my screen with blood in ridiculous ways. I mean, look at Skyrim for example, where I like to play a "conjurer-illusionist-stealth" combi. The final kill is most of the time cutting throats from behind, no stupid gore with it, I cut the throat, the enemy goes down and that's it. Silent, a clean cut, that's how I like it.

kevlarto_ESO · January 2016

I was torn on a couple of decisions, I felt none of them offered me the moral highroad, but it is just a game and overall did does not bother me.

Necrelios · January 2016

I've heard mention of these so called "adult" themes in ESO... still looking hard to find them. Maybe the line is a little blured because I came up from Cali... we all come up hard here you know.

Cazic · January 2016

People who don't play the game may very well browse the forums for information. It's a public website and it's in ZOS's best interest to censor it more so than they do the game itself, which has a Mature rating.

I personally enjoy the adult themes of ESO quite a lot. It makes it feel more realistic and immersive. Things like that have happened and do happen in real life. Just remember you are playing a video game and try not to be overly sensitive about it.

RAGUNAnoOne · January 2016

MornaBaine wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

Jura23 wrote: »

Not at all. What is a bit unsettling sometimes are ppl complaining we don't have enough sexy costumes in the game.

How is that disturbing? In real life people dress in a range of clothing from extremely modest to extremely revealing. Depending on the situation, the same person may dress at both extremes. What I wear to the office is a far cry from what I wear to a night out at a fetish club. Why shouldn't our characters have the same latitude?

I think that would be displaced in ESO - there are more than enough Korean games, which do it like that, but that is not the kind of game I would want to play in. I am just thinking of what people make out of a single-player game like Skyrim with mods, which allow that. Half naked or naked school girls or anime like characters in Skyrim, that is ridiculous, but because it is private, they can do that of course. But ESO is public, not a solo-game, something like this in ESO would no longer be the kind of game, I would want to be part of. Some might like it, but it would be immersion breaking for many if not for most.

Mature does not mean kinky to me, what you suggest is kink. I don't want kink in this game, that is what second life is for.

You would be mistaken. I'm not asking for spiked heels and G-strings. I absolutely don't want to see cheesy anime schoolgirls. I even poked fun at the concept art for the upcoming Dunmer costume that features thigh high stockings which are ludicrous. What I do expect are robes with necklines lower than the collar bone. Scandalous, I know! Frankly I'm FAR more annoyed by big burly Orc and Nord men prancing around in the wedding dress than I would be by an exposed thigh. The world of Tamriel is composed of many races and we know that the Dunmer at least can and do at times pretty much see sex as a sport. Hence the brothel in EP. Frankly, I'm stunned there are no brothels in the other racial areas as well. And yeah, I kinda think there should be because that sort of thing has gone on with those who use sexual reproduction as long as sexual procreation has been around. I don't play this game to indulge in "cyber" but I see nothing at all wrong with portraying some characters in scanty attire if that is indeed the sort of thing they would wear. I was happy with the dancing girls costumes that just came out and I'll be even happier when we can dye them. I bought them for the TWO of my eight characters who would actually wear that sort of thing. Now ZOS needs to get busy and come up with something in a similar vein for men. Because the inherent sexism of making revealing costumes ONLY for female characters DOES annoy the sweet bejezus out of me.

I hope you aren't getting mad at transvestites just for being themselves

but yeah they need some more revealing for men as well I bet if she could @AlienSlof would have made like 10 that are better than anything ZOS could have made by now. Actually that would be a good idea have fans submit their outfits to ZOS and ZOS puts it ingame if it gets votes on a showcase thread.

Gidorick · January 2016

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

Jura23 wrote: »

Not at all. What is a bit unsettling sometimes are ppl complaining we don't have enough sexy costumes in the game.

How is that disturbing? In real life people dress in a range of clothing from extremely modest to extremely revealing. Depending on the situation, the same person may dress at both extremes. What I wear to the office is a far cry from what I wear to a night out at a fetish club. Why shouldn't our characters have the same latitude?

I think that would be displaced in ESO - there are more than enough Korean games, which do it like that, but that is not the kind of game I would want to play in. I am just thinking of what people make out of a single-player game like Skyrim with mods, which allow that. Half naked or naked school girls or anime like characters in Skyrim, that is ridiculous, but because it is private, they can do that of course. But ESO is public, not a solo-game, something like this in ESO would no longer be the kind of game, I would want to be part of. Some might like it, but it would be immersion breaking for many if not for most.

Mature does not mean kinky to me, what you suggest is kink. I don't want kink in this game, that is what second life is for.

You would be mistaken. I'm not asking for spiked heels and G-strings. I absolutely don't want to see cheesy anime schoolgirls. I even poked fun at the concept art for the upcoming Dunmer costume that features thigh high stockings which are ludicrous. What I do expect are robes with necklines lower than the collar bone. Scandalous, I know! Frankly I'm FAR more annoyed by big burly Orc and Nord men prancing around in the wedding dress than I would be by an exposed thigh. The world of Tamriel is composed of many races and we know that the Dunmer at least can and do at times pretty much see sex as a sport. Hence the brothel in EP. Frankly, I'm stunned there are no brothels in the other racial areas as well. And yeah, I kinda think there should be because that sort of thing has gone on with those who use sexual reproduction as long as sexual procreation has been around. I don't play this game to indulge in "cyber" but I see nothing at all wrong with portraying some characters in scanty attire if that is indeed the sort of thing they would wear. I was happy with the dancing girls costumes that just came out and I'll be even happier when we can dye them. I bought them for the TWO of my eight characters who would actually wear that sort of thing. Now ZOS needs to get busy and come up with something in a similar vein for men. Because the inherent sexism of making revealing costumes ONLY for female characters DOES annoy the sweet bejezus out of me.

I hope you aren't getting mad at transvestites just for being themselves but yeah they need some more revealing for men as well I bet if she could @AlienSlof would have made like 10 that are better than anything ZOS could have made by now. Actually that would be a good idea have fans submit their outfits to ZOS and ZOS puts it ingame if it gets votes on a showcase thread.

I suggested that very thing @RAGUNAnoOne on this thread: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/215756/eso-motif-costume-mount-pet-design-contests

Gina Bruno's response:

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Interesting idea! We'll see what we can do.

Haven't heard anything since but it would be cool if they were working on it.

theher0not · January 2016

I don't mind it. If it isn't mature content just to have it I see no problem. In some cases I would even like to see more of it. For example I feel like adding more punishments for crimes (whiping for example) could make it feel more like a real crime system. There could also be a litle more blood in some parts like quests whith wounded/dying NPCs or in PvP when you get stapped/shot with an arrow

TheShadowScout · January 2016

MornaBaine wrote: »

You would be mistaken. I'm not asking for spiked heels and G-strings. I absolutely don't want to see cheesy anime schoolgirls. I even poked fun at the concept art for the upcoming Dunmer costume that features thigh high stockings which are ludicrous. What I do expect are robes with necklines lower than the collar bone. Scandalous, I know!

While I do like the concept for the dunmer costumes (even the stockings...) I generally agree with this. Not fetishwear, but tasteful costumes fitting the environment. In this regard, I am pretty happy with what we got so far, I just would like to see more of it...

MornaBaine wrote: »

Frankly I'm FAR more annoyed by big burly Orc and Nord men prancing around in the wedding dress than I would be by an exposed thigh. The world of Tamriel is composed of many races and we know that the Dunmer at least can and do at times pretty much see sex as a sport. Hence the brothel in EP. Frankly, I'm stunned there are no brothels in the other racial areas as well. And yeah, I kinda think there should be because that sort of thing has gone on with those who use sexual reproduction as long as sexual procreation has been around. I don't play this game to indulge in "cyber" but I see nothing at all wrong with portraying some characters in scanty attire if that is indeed the sort of thing they would wear.

I play the game with an eye towards roelplaying. Which might go that way, and if it did, I would follow - but for me its not a main focus... my characters are far more likely to wear decent armor then scanty attire, since they generally are "adventurers" of some sort, backstory wise.
But... they do tend to dress for the occasion, so having all the more options to support any roleplay that might arise is a big draw for me. Thus I would support a wide range of costume visuals... from skimpy outfits to modest nuns habits, from primitive fur and leathers to high class silks and velvets.
And yes, some of those outfits might be more suitable to Nightflowers then Adventurers.

(though some of my characters probably wouldn't wear them either... imagine my dunmer bounty huntress in an dancers outfit, showing off her burn-scarred skin? Not exactly -that- seductive, and she would be well aware of it, and behave accordingly... meaning, not wear the darn thing in the first place! My altmer priestess of mara on the other hand...)

MornaBaine wrote: »

I was happy with the dancing girls costumes that just came out and I'll be even happier when we can dye them. I bought them for the TWO of my eight characters who would actually wear that sort of thing. Now ZOS needs to get busy and come up with something in a similar vein for men. Because the inherent sexism of making revealing costumes ONLY for female characters DOES annoy the sweet bejezus out of me.

That is something which annoys me as well, across many games. ESO at least doesn't restrict these costumes to females, even though most male characters can't really "pull it off" when wearing them...
But male-specific versions of "flirty" outfits should not be something that gets ignored! Pretty boy eye candy should be given equal effort in ESO then pretty girl eye candy! Perhaps with considerations to the cultures in question - I can see highly patriarchaic styles going with "sexy for girls, warrior-ish for boys" (like the redguard designs seen and previewed - after all, as long as redguard warrior women can still wear the "male" outfits without them turning into dancers silks on them...), but if we get it like this, then I definitely want other cultures to balance it with other outfits!

theher0not wrote: »

I don't mind it. If it isn't mature content just to have it I see no problem. In some cases I would even like to see more of it. For example I feel like adding more punishments for crimes (whiping for example) could make it feel more like a real crime system. There could also be a litle more blood in some parts like quests whith wounded/dying NPCs or in PvP when you get stapped/shot with an arrow

YES! To both of those notions, corporal punishment, and wounded NPCs

I definitely want to see more punishments to give people way more incentive to not be blatant about their criminal activities. Loosing some gold is no hardship if you remembered to make regular visits to your bank, loosing some loot can be, or not, depending, and getting killed is nothing to a vestige anyhow.
But loosing some time while your character is "locked in the stocks"... or "getting whipped" (for larger offenses - this could also come with an lasting debuff from the pain, since what doesn't kill a vestige may not be as quickly forgotten then what causes your vestige body to reform at the nearest wayshrine), or something of the sort... that would have more meaning as annoyance for the player, would add more flavor as "medieval punishments" and all together add more incentive not to get caught.

And I have often lamented the fact that "wounded" NPCs show no visuals of anything. They may hold their stomach, they may sit around in "exhausted" pose, but... no blood, no open wounds, no rent clothing... doesn't matter if its the "just a fleshg wound, I'm finr, go ahead" NPC or the "please fulfill my dysing wish" NPC.
Oh, and all the ones you get to "rescue"? No visuals either. Dig them out from under rubble, and the best the game can do is dirty clothes. No torn clothes, no bruises, no bleeding cuts, no scorch marks...
Heck, some of the "prisoners" you get to rescue even were allowed to keep their armor! Which in many cases makes little sense... now it may just have been skipping a step in NPC avtivities for them to rearm and rearmor when freed, but it is immersion-grating... (and would have been so much better if they stripped a dead guard and rearmed in the ill-fitting gear of their capors...)

MornaBaine · January 2016

Gidorick wrote: »

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

Jura23 wrote: »

Not at all. What is a bit unsettling sometimes are ppl complaining we don't have enough sexy costumes in the game.

How is that disturbing? In real life people dress in a range of clothing from extremely modest to extremely revealing. Depending on the situation, the same person may dress at both extremes. What I wear to the office is a far cry from what I wear to a night out at a fetish club. Why shouldn't our characters have the same latitude?

I think that would be displaced in ESO - there are more than enough Korean games, which do it like that, but that is not the kind of game I would want to play in. I am just thinking of what people make out of a single-player game like Skyrim with mods, which allow that. Half naked or naked school girls or anime like characters in Skyrim, that is ridiculous, but because it is private, they can do that of course. But ESO is public, not a solo-game, something like this in ESO would no longer be the kind of game, I would want to be part of. Some might like it, but it would be immersion breaking for many if not for most.

Mature does not mean kinky to me, what you suggest is kink. I don't want kink in this game, that is what second life is for.

You would be mistaken. I'm not asking for spiked heels and G-strings. I absolutely don't want to see cheesy anime schoolgirls. I even poked fun at the concept art for the upcoming Dunmer costume that features thigh high stockings which are ludicrous. What I do expect are robes with necklines lower than the collar bone. Scandalous, I know! Frankly I'm FAR more annoyed by big burly Orc and Nord men prancing around in the wedding dress than I would be by an exposed thigh. The world of Tamriel is composed of many races and we know that the Dunmer at least can and do at times pretty much see sex as a sport. Hence the brothel in EP. Frankly, I'm stunned there are no brothels in the other racial areas as well. And yeah, I kinda think there should be because that sort of thing has gone on with those who use sexual reproduction as long as sexual procreation has been around. I don't play this game to indulge in "cyber" but I see nothing at all wrong with portraying some characters in scanty attire if that is indeed the sort of thing they would wear. I was happy with the dancing girls costumes that just came out and I'll be even happier when we can dye them. I bought them for the TWO of my eight characters who would actually wear that sort of thing. Now ZOS needs to get busy and come up with something in a similar vein for men. Because the inherent sexism of making revealing costumes ONLY for female characters DOES annoy the sweet bejezus out of me.

I hope you aren't getting mad at transvestites just for being themselves but yeah they need some more revealing for men as well I bet if she could @AlienSlof would have made like 10 that are better than anything ZOS could have made by now. Actually that would be a good idea have fans submit their outfits to ZOS and ZOS puts it ingame if it gets votes on a showcase thread.

I suggested that very thing @RAGUNAnoOne on this thread: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/215756/eso-motif-costume-mount-pet-design-contests

Gina Bruno's response:

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Interesting idea! We'll see what we can do.

Haven't heard anything since but it would be cool if they were working on it.

This soooo needs to happen! ZOS PLEASE do us a favor and explain what is possible to do with costumes and set the parameters for concept art from your players. Have players submit concept art. Choose a dozen pieces that you know you could actually turn into costumes. Make a poll to let us vote on them. Then actually MAKE the winners! Do this at least twice a year!

Arshiya · January 2016

MornaBaine wrote: »

I_killed_Vivec wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

If you view your character in a video game as a legitimate extension of yourself and literally experience emotional upset over the things you do in a video game you need some professional level help in identifying the difference between fantasy and reality.

Really?

So you'd say you shouldn't be emotionally affected by a book or a film, or any piece of art? If you can feel some attachment for a character in a book then why not for a character in a game? Particularly if your actions affect them.

In fact I'm pretty sure a lot of psychiatrists would argue that not being able to emphasize with characters (or having the ability to switch off empathy) is evidence of psychopathic tenancies.

No, you should NOT be emotionally affected by a book, film, piece of art or a game...TO THE POINT WHERE YOU WANT IT DUMBED DOWN SO THAT YOU WON'T FEEL THAT WAY BECAUSE IT CAUSES YOU REAL DISTRESS. Of course we are moved by these things unless we are jaded beyond all belief. Experiencing that shows that the thing that caused it was well done. That is NOT cause to scale it back and make it bland and unaffecting, which seemed to me to be what the OP may have been suggesting. And so yes, I do think that if you are SO affected by a game, film, book or piece of art so deeply that you want it changed and watered down so you won't be....you may indeed have some trouble telling the difference between fantasy and reality or at least in developing a healthy separation between your real self and a fictional character you play. I'm a roleplayer and my characters rum the gamut from serial killers to completely good and sweet young widows. From respectably married and fully monogamous to "wild child"...and a priestess of Dibella for good measure who truly believes sex is a sacrament and would never engage in it frivolously. Hardened killers to sweetroll baking sweethearts. Strangely, -I- neither bake nor kill people. Obviously, I must be deeply mentally ill.

STRANGELY, indeed. Personally I believe that people can be affected by anything IF they let it to influence them.
It is more like people avoiding cracks on the ground from god-knows-what reason, in most cases the pavement won't crumble.
I admit that I had issues with ES Dawnguard from obvious reasons a bit, I simply wasn't prepared when I asked Serana about it, nor the force was with me, no not at all. And to an extent it is even harder on roleplayers, cause roleplaying is acting and I am sure actors and actresses have their issues with roles too at times. So no breaking the fourth wall is not recommended.

Joshuagm1991 · January 2016

You know what, I would prefer a way out of the quest with Hircine to not sacrifice someone by stabbing them in the heart.

I have to admit, I did like the Hunger games themed quest in Coldharbor.

There have definitely times when I wouldn't want to make a decision even in fantasy.

Khaos_Bane · January 2016

Actually I wish it was even more dark. It's a video game fro crying out loud.

The truly sad part is, that stuff like this happens IRL. THATS THE SAD PART.

Robbmrp · January 2016

No, nothing about ESO bothers me. Correction, ESO lag bothers me but not the Adult Themes. I don't want to play a cartoon where people are hit with pillows....

I play this game to escape the IRL things that bother me. Everything you mentioned above is rampant all over the world with little to nothing being done about it. Watching the daily news and seeing what people are doing to each other all over the world is what bothers me.... The fact that we do these things IRL bother me, not that they are in a fantasy based game.

WalkingLegacy · January 2016

Gidorick wrote: »

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

Jura23 wrote: »

Not at all. What is a bit unsettling sometimes are ppl complaining we don't have enough sexy costumes in the game.

How is that disturbing? In real life people dress in a range of clothing from extremely modest to extremely revealing. Depending on the situation, the same person may dress at both extremes. What I wear to the office is a far cry from what I wear to a night out at a fetish club. Why shouldn't our characters have the same latitude?

I think that would be displaced in ESO - there are more than enough Korean games, which do it like that, but that is not the kind of game I would want to play in. I am just thinking of what people make out of a single-player game like Skyrim with mods, which allow that. Half naked or naked school girls or anime like characters in Skyrim, that is ridiculous, but because it is private, they can do that of course. But ESO is public, not a solo-game, something like this in ESO would no longer be the kind of game, I would want to be part of. Some might like it, but it would be immersion breaking for many if not for most.

Mature does not mean kinky to me, what you suggest is kink. I don't want kink in this game, that is what second life is for.

You would be mistaken. I'm not asking for spiked heels and G-strings. I absolutely don't want to see cheesy anime schoolgirls. I even poked fun at the concept art for the upcoming Dunmer costume that features thigh high stockings which are ludicrous. What I do expect are robes with necklines lower than the collar bone. Scandalous, I know! Frankly I'm FAR more annoyed by big burly Orc and Nord men prancing around in the wedding dress than I would be by an exposed thigh. The world of Tamriel is composed of many races and we know that the Dunmer at least can and do at times pretty much see sex as a sport. Hence the brothel in EP. Frankly, I'm stunned there are no brothels in the other racial areas as well. And yeah, I kinda think there should be because that sort of thing has gone on with those who use sexual reproduction as long as sexual procreation has been around. I don't play this game to indulge in "cyber" but I see nothing at all wrong with portraying some characters in scanty attire if that is indeed the sort of thing they would wear. I was happy with the dancing girls costumes that just came out and I'll be even happier when we can dye them. I bought them for the TWO of my eight characters who would actually wear that sort of thing. Now ZOS needs to get busy and come up with something in a similar vein for men. Because the inherent sexism of making revealing costumes ONLY for female characters DOES annoy the sweet bejezus out of me.

I hope you aren't getting mad at transvestites just for being themselves but yeah they need some more revealing for men as well I bet if she could @AlienSlof would have made like 10 that are better than anything ZOS could have made by now. Actually that would be a good idea have fans submit their outfits to ZOS and ZOS puts it ingame if it gets votes on a showcase thread.

I suggested that very thing @RAGUNAnoOne on this thread: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/215756/eso-motif-costume-mount-pet-design-contests

Gina Bruno's response:

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Interesting idea! We'll see what we can do.

Haven't heard anything since but it would be cool if they were working on it.

Would be better if they made costumes into separate pieces so people could mix and match their favorites and people could come up with a look they love.

Make it a tab attached to gear tab so we can swap on the fly.

ESO warehouse - you'll like the way you look

Back on topic... Game is pretty carebear in regards to its M rating.

Tavore1138 · January 2016

I am not 'bothered' by the grown up themes but equally part of the pleasure of experiencing stories is being moved by them - to be made angry by the evil characters and to feel compassion for the nice ones. Some of the choices don't lead anywhere good and part of enjoying the game is to allow yourself to feel that... otherwise what is the point?

A couple of silly ones that bother me - I've robbed all the rob-able merchants but for some reason the reaction of the one in The Rift was enough to make me feel guilty... in Wrothgar the poor random shepherds who's flock have been killed make me want to either donate them money or go kill more of their tormentors (someone at ZOS turn it into a quest)... stupid little things that make you emote and thus get more into the game world.

IMO if you are just seeing pixels you are probably not having as much fun as you could be.

TheShadowScout · January 2016

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

I am not 'bothered' by the grown up themes but equally part of the pleasure of experiencing stories is being moved by them - to be made angry by the evil characters and to feel compassion for the nice ones. Some of the choices don't lead anywhere good and part of enjoying the game is to allow yourself to feel that... otherwise what is the point?
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IMO if you are just seeing pixels you are probably not having as much fun as you could be.

Well said!

For me that is a large part as well... the immersion, going along with the stories. Sure I know its all pretend, but hey, it sparks imaginetion, its an interactive daydream, that's what it is about for me.

If I do feel with the story, if I do wince at hagravens stealing a nice dunmer ladys eyes, if I get a nasty grin when a bosner girl avenges her torture (and worse, implied) on wood orcs, when I feel sad for some NPCs misfortune, if I feel happy for some NPCs joy - that's when I love the game.
Everything that helps fuel these moments is good for me.

SnuggleMePlease · January 2016

TotterTates wrote: »

SnuggleMePlease wrote: »

I had assumed that since you must be at least 18 years old to play this game, that swearing/crude/offensive behavior would be acceptable. I mean, we're all mature adults who live in a reality where we experience such behaviors occasionally. However, there seems to be a small minority of players who are fond of (a) being offended or (b) being trolls. I remember I got reported for joking around in zone chat and saying, "That's so gay."

And, I could understand if it was the whole bit about how using gay as a derogatory term further perpetuates homophobia, because I am gay and, while I don't mind people using that phrase, it certainly isn't something I appreciate either. The situation I was referencing, however, sounded legitimately homosexual in nature, and thus I wasn't using it as a derogative, rather as an adjective. Aside from that, I went onto to discuss how gay I was and laughed at the entire situation.

Anyways, it turns out that somebody saw that, got their panties in a bunch, and decided to report me. It was something surprisingly immature that I wasn't expecting in a game that should be +18 only. Moral of the story? Just don't speak in zone chat. People won't be content until it is filled with nothing but copy-and-paste guild recruitment and WTS ads.

TL;DR: People on ESO are more immature than you think. Many are either trolls or tumblr SJWs who live to be offended. Beware.

Cheers,
Snuggle

Do you have a character named snugglepuppy? If so, I'm sorry about the sewers on Sunday. I actually felt bad killing a character with that name.

No I don't. And, you should. You've basically murdered a snuggly puppy.