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Did the Adult Themes in ESO Bother You?
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✭✭✭✭✭And there is always the option "if you don't like it, just leave it alone" - so if someone decides to play this game, knowing in advance that this is to a big part as well about combat and an ongoing war, he should not be picky when there is death and brutality in the game.Edited by Lysette on January 12, 2016 6:29AM2 -
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✭✭✭We all make decisions about possible life and death of others in real life without to recognize it. We use cars for example and take into account, that at some point we could be involved in an accident, which ultimately leads to a sequence of events which might harm or kill people. Not using a car on this day might as well have a similar effect, because due to me not driving, someone else might not be delayed by my presence and get earlier to a location, where he will be involved in such an accident. Regardless what you decide, it could lead to a sequence of events, which might harm or kill people.
If a decision you are making is good or bad is hard to say and the opinion about it can change in the future as well. I realized that when I was watching "sliding doors", a comedy movie where the timelines split and you see both variants. If you watch this, you will feel, that the idea of "good" and "bad" is not an absolute. Like killing people for example - is that a bad thing?- It might not, if you think of killing a terrorist and hinder him this way to go on with further mass murdering. It's all relative.
There simply is no absolute "bad" or "good" - it is always relative to the situation and the people involved in it. And like I pointed out, not making a decision can harm people as well. As an adult you have to deal with it. So if you decide in a game like this, that someone has to die, so be it. You don't know what this guy might do, which might harm people, if you let him live. There is no reason to think, that letting him live is a good decision, it might not be a good one, seen from the future.
An example in history - an english soldier hat the opportunity to kill *** in WW1, but he let him go, expecting this to be a good decision to show mercy. But in the end this turned out to be a horrible decision, because it caused millions to die.
Edit: well this is just stupid, to *** out a historical figure .- but I guess you all know whom I meant.
maybe that that english person was exist cuz somewhere in the world an ant moved a sand... and started millions of chain events. Its a deterministic way of thinking if you calculate every possible action you can predict future with %100 precision but quatum mechanics killed determisinm cuz according to quantum laws anything can be happen randomly. So in the end just do what you believe is right.
This is not quite correct. The universe is deterministic, what does not mean it would be predictable, it is not due to chaos. Chaos is not a random thing, it is "deterministic chaos", people just commonly use it in it's short term "chaos", but it is deterministic and a feature of some iterative functions, to be very sensitive to certain input parameters, which makes the outcome at some point unpredictable - a very simple example of it is the "logistic map", just look it up on wiki.
Although the previous post is an absolutely nonsensical perversion of QM that statement is way to strong. The physical/metaphysical debated on the actual deterministic/non deterministic nature of the universe is ongoing,complex,multifaceted dependent on interpretations and very far away from being settled. I would just reduce that statement to evolution of states.We all make decisions about possible life and death of others in real life without to recognize it. We use cars for example and take into account, that at some point we could be involved in an accident, which ultimately leads to a sequence of events which might harm or kill people. Not using a car on this day might as well have a similar effect, because due to me not driving, someone else might not be delayed by my presence and get earlier to a location, where he will be involved in such an accident. Regardless what you decide, it could lead to a sequence of events, which might harm or kill people.
If a decision you are making is good or bad is hard to say and the opinion about it can change in the future as well. I realized that when I was watching "sliding doors", a comedy movie where the timelines split and you see both variants. If you watch this, you will feel, that the idea of "good" and "bad" is not an absolute. Like killing people for example - is that a bad thing?- It might not, if you think of killing a terrorist and hinder him this way to go on with further mass murdering. It's all relative.
There simply is no absolute "bad" or "good" - it is always relative to the situation and the people involved in it. And like I pointed out, not making a decision can harm people as well. As an adult you have to deal with it. So if you decide in a game like this, that someone has to die, so be it. You don't know what this guy might do, which might harm people, if you let him live. There is no reason to think, that letting him live is a good decision, it might not be a good one, seen from the future.
An example in history - an english soldier hat the opportunity to kill *** in WW1, but he let him go, expecting this to be a good decision to show mercy. But in the end this turned out to be a horrible decision, because it caused millions to die.
Edit: well this is just stupid, to *** out a historical figure .- but I guess you all know whom I meant.
maybe that that english person was exist cuz somewhere in the world an ant moved a sand... and started millions of chain events. Its a deterministic way of thinking if you calculate every possible action you can predict future with %100 precision but quatum mechanics killed determisinm cuz according to quantum laws anything can be happen randomly. So in the end just do what you believe is right.
This is not quite correct. The universe is deterministic, what does not mean it would be predictable, it is not due to chaos. Chaos is not a random thing, it is "deterministic chaos", people just commonly use it in it's short term "chaos", but it is deterministic and a feature of some iterative functions, to be very sensitive to certain input parameters, which makes the outcome at some point unpredictable - a very simple example of it is the "logistic map", just look it up on wiki.
people call it "chaos" cuz they cant calculate every posbility also they dont know the starter action. we only calculate very small pieces but rest is chaotic for us .
Yes, most people believe as well in randomness, but there is no evidence for anything in the universe to be random at all.
Quantum physcists says sub atomic particals like quarks moves random.
A daring statement, and how do they want to give proof for that?- there is no way to see or observe quantum foam. If they use a term like "random" this does not mean they would mean true randomness, there is no evidence for anything like true randomness yet. So there is no reason to believe there would be randomness. No evidence, then it is just a belief and worth nothing in scientific context.
They don't actually say that.
I know, I am not the one who claimed they would though .-)
I know. I just found it awful that someone might actually believe that even it was pretty clear you didn't.
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Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭We all make decisions about possible life and death of others in real life without to recognize it. We use cars for example and take into account, that at some point we could be involved in an accident, which ultimately leads to a sequence of events which might harm or kill people. Not using a car on this day might as well have a similar effect, because due to me not driving, someone else might not be delayed by my presence and get earlier to a location, where he will be involved in such an accident. Regardless what you decide, it could lead to a sequence of events, which might harm or kill people.
If a decision you are making is good or bad is hard to say and the opinion about it can change in the future as well. I realized that when I was watching "sliding doors", a comedy movie where the timelines split and you see both variants. If you watch this, you will feel, that the idea of "good" and "bad" is not an absolute. Like killing people for example - is that a bad thing?- It might not, if you think of killing a terrorist and hinder him this way to go on with further mass murdering. It's all relative.
There simply is no absolute "bad" or "good" - it is always relative to the situation and the people involved in it. And like I pointed out, not making a decision can harm people as well. As an adult you have to deal with it. So if you decide in a game like this, that someone has to die, so be it. You don't know what this guy might do, which might harm people, if you let him live. There is no reason to think, that letting him live is a good decision, it might not be a good one, seen from the future.
An example in history - an english soldier hat the opportunity to kill *** in WW1, but he let him go, expecting this to be a good decision to show mercy. But in the end this turned out to be a horrible decision, because it caused millions to die.
Edit: well this is just stupid, to *** out a historical figure .- but I guess you all know whom I meant.
maybe that that english person was exist cuz somewhere in the world an ant moved a sand... and started millions of chain events. Its a deterministic way of thinking if you calculate every possible action you can predict future with %100 precision but quatum mechanics killed determisinm cuz according to quantum laws anything can be happen randomly. So in the end just do what you believe is right.
This is not quite correct. The universe is deterministic, what does not mean it would be predictable, it is not due to chaos. Chaos is not a random thing, it is "deterministic chaos", people just commonly use it in it's short term "chaos", but it is deterministic and a feature of some iterative functions, to be very sensitive to certain input parameters, which makes the outcome at some point unpredictable - a very simple example of it is the "logistic map", just look it up on wiki.
people call it "chaos" cuz they cant calculate every posbility also they dont know the starter action. we only calculate very small pieces but rest is chaotic for us .
Yes, most people believe as well in randomness, but there is no evidence for anything in the universe to be random at all.
Quantum physcists says sub atomic particals like quarks moves random.
A daring statement, and how do they want to give proof for that?- there is no way to see or observe quantum foam. If they use a term like "random" this does not mean they would mean true randomness, there is no evidence for anything like true randomness yet. So there is no reason to believe there would be randomness. No evidence, then it is just a belief and worth nothing in scientific context.
If you think like that then there is no true evidence about a starter/trigger event.
There is, the motion of the galaxies points to an initial event, where all was in a tiny spot. Then there is the expansion of the unvierse, which is still ongoing and even accelerating - this is evidence, it can be shown. Evidence is not proof though, it is just something what points to it, this does not mean it had to be this way, just that there is some evidence, which makes it likely to be that way.
Yes but what caused to that tiny spot did it exist out of nothing ? What made it expand ? We dont know.
An initial event does not have to have a cause and the question "why" is pointless - simply because "why" asks about a causality, which requires 2 states in time. If there is no time before the event, there is no cause and the question why is invalid, because it asks about a cause where there is no causality. This might not be simple to understand for some people.2 -
Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭We all make decisions about possible life and death of others in real life without to recognize it. We use cars for example and take into account, that at some point we could be involved in an accident, which ultimately leads to a sequence of events which might harm or kill people. Not using a car on this day might as well have a similar effect, because due to me not driving, someone else might not be delayed by my presence and get earlier to a location, where he will be involved in such an accident. Regardless what you decide, it could lead to a sequence of events, which might harm or kill people.
If a decision you are making is good or bad is hard to say and the opinion about it can change in the future as well. I realized that when I was watching "sliding doors", a comedy movie where the timelines split and you see both variants. If you watch this, you will feel, that the idea of "good" and "bad" is not an absolute. Like killing people for example - is that a bad thing?- It might not, if you think of killing a terrorist and hinder him this way to go on with further mass murdering. It's all relative.
There simply is no absolute "bad" or "good" - it is always relative to the situation and the people involved in it. And like I pointed out, not making a decision can harm people as well. As an adult you have to deal with it. So if you decide in a game like this, that someone has to die, so be it. You don't know what this guy might do, which might harm people, if you let him live. There is no reason to think, that letting him live is a good decision, it might not be a good one, seen from the future.
An example in history - an english soldier hat the opportunity to kill *** in WW1, but he let him go, expecting this to be a good decision to show mercy. But in the end this turned out to be a horrible decision, because it caused millions to die.
Edit: well this is just stupid, to *** out a historical figure .- but I guess you all know whom I meant.
maybe that that english person was exist cuz somewhere in the world an ant moved a sand... and started millions of chain events. Its a deterministic way of thinking if you calculate every possible action you can predict future with %100 precision but quatum mechanics killed determisinm cuz according to quantum laws anything can be happen randomly. So in the end just do what you believe is right.
This is not quite correct. The universe is deterministic, what does not mean it would be predictable, it is not due to chaos. Chaos is not a random thing, it is "deterministic chaos", people just commonly use it in it's short term "chaos", but it is deterministic and a feature of some iterative functions, to be very sensitive to certain input parameters, which makes the outcome at some point unpredictable - a very simple example of it is the "logistic map", just look it up on wiki.
people call it "chaos" cuz they cant calculate every posbility also they dont know the starter action. we only calculate very small pieces but rest is chaotic for us .
Yes, most people believe as well in randomness, but there is no evidence for anything in the universe to be random at all.
Quantum physcists says sub atomic particals like quarks moves random.
A daring statement, and how do they want to give proof for that?- there is no way to see or observe quantum foam. If they use a term like "random" this does not mean they would mean true randomness, there is no evidence for anything like true randomness yet. So there is no reason to believe there would be randomness. No evidence, then it is just a belief and worth nothing in scientific context.
If you think like that then there is no true evidence about a starter/trigger event.
There is, the motion of the galaxies points to an initial event, where all was in a tiny spot. Then there is the expansion of the unvierse, which is still ongoing and even accelerating - this is evidence, it can be shown. Evidence is not proof though, it is just something what points to it, this does not mean it had to be this way, just that there is some evidence, which makes it likely to be that way.
Yes but what caused to that tiny spot did it exist out of nothing ? What made it expand ? We dont know.
Well, actually it is quite simple - think of what happens when you use the system axiom "there has been change" on nothingness - no time, no space, absolute nothing at all - if it changes, it has to be some kind of something, otherwise it would still be nothing and would not have changed. Simple as that - something can very easily come to be from absolute nothing.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭And there is always the option "if you don't like it, just leave it alone" - so if someone decides to play this game, knowing in advance that this is to a big part as well about combat and an ongoing war, he should not be picky when there is death and brutality in the game.
Sure, but people can still discuss about how they feel ingame with regards to this aspect, especially since ESO is very Disney-ish while being all about war and combat, it's an interesting topic.
(Determinism and all are very interesting too but please be careful to not have this thread closed for being out of topic or people becoming overheated... )1 -
This Khajiit tries to read the above and realises it is just getting a headache - rather sip on some skooma and sell its wares to those who have coins.PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!4 -
Sorry - double postEdited by trav2609rwb17_ESO on January 12, 2016 6:43AMPAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!0
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Julianos✭✭✭✭✭We all make decisions about possible life and death of others in real life without to recognize it. We use cars for example and take into account, that at some point we could be involved in an accident, which ultimately leads to a sequence of events which might harm or kill people. Not using a car on this day might as well have a similar effect, because due to me not driving, someone else might not be delayed by my presence and get earlier to a location, where he will be involved in such an accident. Regardless what you decide, it could lead to a sequence of events, which might harm or kill people.
If a decision you are making is good or bad is hard to say and the opinion about it can change in the future as well. I realized that when I was watching "sliding doors", a comedy movie where the timelines split and you see both variants. If you watch this, you will feel, that the idea of "good" and "bad" is not an absolute. Like killing people for example - is that a bad thing?- It might not, if you think of killing a terrorist and hinder him this way to go on with further mass murdering. It's all relative.
There simply is no absolute "bad" or "good" - it is always relative to the situation and the people involved in it. And like I pointed out, not making a decision can harm people as well. As an adult you have to deal with it. So if you decide in a game like this, that someone has to die, so be it. You don't know what this guy might do, which might harm people, if you let him live. There is no reason to think, that letting him live is a good decision, it might not be a good one, seen from the future.
An example in history - an english soldier hat the opportunity to kill *** in WW1, but he let him go, expecting this to be a good decision to show mercy. But in the end this turned out to be a horrible decision, because it caused millions to die.
Edit: well this is just stupid, to *** out a historical figure .- but I guess you all know whom I meant.
maybe that that english person was exist cuz somewhere in the world an ant moved a sand... and started millions of chain events. Its a deterministic way of thinking if you calculate every possible action you can predict future with %100 precision but quatum mechanics killed determisinm cuz according to quantum laws anything can be happen randomly. So in the end just do what you believe is right.
This is not quite correct. The universe is deterministic, what does not mean it would be predictable, it is not due to chaos. Chaos is not a random thing, it is "deterministic chaos", people just commonly use it in it's short term "chaos", but it is deterministic and a feature of some iterative functions, to be very sensitive to certain input parameters, which makes the outcome at some point unpredictable - a very simple example of it is the "logistic map", just look it up on wiki.
people call it "chaos" cuz they cant calculate every posbility also they dont know the starter action. we only calculate very small pieces but rest is chaotic for us .
Yes, most people believe as well in randomness, but there is no evidence for anything in the universe to be random at all.
Quantum physcists says sub atomic particals like quarks moves random.
A daring statement, and how do they want to give proof for that?- there is no way to see or observe quantum foam. If they use a term like "random" this does not mean they would mean true randomness, there is no evidence for anything like true randomness yet. So there is no reason to believe there would be randomness. No evidence, then it is just a belief and worth nothing in scientific context.
If you think like that then there is no true evidence about a starter/trigger event.
There is, the motion of the galaxies points to an initial event, where all was in a tiny spot. Then there is the expansion of the unvierse, which is still ongoing and even accelerating - this is evidence, it can be shown. Evidence is not proof though, it is just something what points to it, this does not mean it had to be this way, just that there is some evidence, which makes it likely to be that way.
Yes but what caused to that tiny spot did it exist out of nothing ? What made it expand ? We dont know.
An initial event does not have to have a cause and the question "why" is pointless - simply because "why" asks about a causality, which requires 2 states in time. If there is no time before the event, there is no cause and the question why is invalid, because it asks about a cause where there is no causality. This might not be simple to understand for some people.
Stephen hawking says the same thing. But how they know there was no time before the event ? And if space or materials cannot exist without time how they know there was a tiny spot ? how tiny ? infinite ? 1 inch ? 3 inches ?Edited by Julianos on January 12, 2016 6:42AM1 -
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No. The game went to a "M" rating with Tamriel Unlimited. You go in knowing what to expect.CavalierPrime wrote: »Did the Adult Themes in ESO Bother You?
The only thing that bothered me...
...is this...Actually... ESO could use MORE adult themes.
...and this...Just what I was going to say. The biggest reason this game feels so pointless and tame compared to Skyrim in my mind is the absence of blood, brutality etc (I think your "Brutality Pack" idea covers this, but it's too early to search it up), making slaughtering anything feel very unrealistic.
I like my games gritty, "realistic-ish" and immersive. Meaning when the story calls for blood, there should be blood. When the story calls for nudeness, there should be nudes. When the story calls for mangled corpses, there should be mangled corpses.
ESO is a bit too hesitant for my taste... I wish they would go more "Game of Thrones" in this regard, since that TV series in my opinion hit just the right mix. Not like some others which added unneccessary scenes just to play with gore or smexy scenes (cough, Spartacus B&S, cough), but not shying away from it either when the plot calls for it.
ESO still has too many "tame" scenes.
From "badly wounded" NPCs who just hold their belly, but have no blood or wounds visible; to mandatory bras (which generally weren't really a thing during the periods most associated with fantasy RPG setups); from the game offering "Corpses" in only "looks like sleeping" and "skeletal or charred husk" while skipping all the gruesome possibilities in between; to the game stopping at vague hints when it comes to any naughty stuff; from a general lack of logical results for non-yestiges to engage in medieval warfare (aka, people with lost limbs); to the nonexistence of toilets overlooking that theoretically our characters -would- have body functions...
I'd like to see all the things I noted not being in ESO, and more.
And yeah, I would pay extra for some sort of "brutality pack" as @Gidorick outlined in his concept, or some sort of "naughtyness pack" to do the same for smexyness and scenes that maybe go a bit further (and new STDs to go with that - hey, you drop your breeches, you take your chances... ).
AGREED!americansteel wrote: »not enough violence, racism, hatred, kussing, blood, gore we need more. ESO is too soft.
YEEESSSS!!!!
I would LOVE it if there were cities or zones that just HATED you because of your race! Side qests that you couldn't do because you are a filthy orc. Merchants that won't sell to you, or will rip you off, because you're a Bosmer.
I would adore having that. Having the game take more notice of your character choices. Have NPCs react differently... there is a little bit of that in the game, with orsinium sometimes taking notice if a character is orsimer... but its a mere drop when I want a river!
The general lack of brutality aside, I would enjoy seeing the game take up more racist and sexist themes in their tamriel-interspecies relationships and reactions.
If ESO managed to do this to me, make me think something like that... I'd love ESO all the more for it! Please ESO... please refit some of that. Even if its a DLC pack, I promise I'll buy it, but please... gimme!Compare TESO with a real M rated game like The Witcher 3, which actually managed to make me say "This is slightly sniped up" a few times.
As for the forum censorship... duh. Everyone can read the forums, even little kids. No rating here. Thus they have to mod it so they don't get sued by some irrate parent claiming their poor kid got horribly, Horribly mentally scarred by reading a four-letter word here. Or stuff like that.
The game on the other hand is rated "M" meaning "you have be this tall to ride", so people go in knowing what to expect, and if someone younger sneaks in and is "shocked", its their fault for bypassing the rating, not ZOSs fault.
Its all about the back-covering, and the avoidance of bad publicity on their sude. Completely understandable for me. Their forums, their "house rules".
Want forums where such words are allowed and more? Make them on your own, make your own house rules. If you make the house rule that nothing may be posted under three swear words, that'd be your house rule.
They made theirs. I have no problem whatsoever for them to have different house rules in their two "houses", the game and the forums. Why should I? Its perfectly understandable in my eyes...6 -
Julianos✭✭✭✭✭for me there is only 2 logical explanation 1 we can not know what started all. 2 it happened random.1
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MercyKilling✭✭✭✭✭No, it doesn't bother me. What bothers me is it isn't "anuses", the PROPER plural would be "anii".I am not spending a single penny on the game until changes are made to the game that I want to see.
1) Remove having to be in a guild to sell items to other players at a kiosk.
2) Cosmetic modding for armor and clothing.
3) Difficulty slider.
4) Fully customizable player housing that isn't tied to anything in the game other than having the correct resources and enough gold to build. Don't tie it to PvP, guild membership, or anything at all. Oh, make it instanced so as not to take up world map space, too. Zeni screwed this one up already.
Any /one/ of these things implemented would get me spending again, maybe even subbing.2 -
Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭We all make decisions about possible life and death of others in real life without to recognize it. We use cars for example and take into account, that at some point we could be involved in an accident, which ultimately leads to a sequence of events which might harm or kill people. Not using a car on this day might as well have a similar effect, because due to me not driving, someone else might not be delayed by my presence and get earlier to a location, where he will be involved in such an accident. Regardless what you decide, it could lead to a sequence of events, which might harm or kill people.
If a decision you are making is good or bad is hard to say and the opinion about it can change in the future as well. I realized that when I was watching "sliding doors", a comedy movie where the timelines split and you see both variants. If you watch this, you will feel, that the idea of "good" and "bad" is not an absolute. Like killing people for example - is that a bad thing?- It might not, if you think of killing a terrorist and hinder him this way to go on with further mass murdering. It's all relative.
There simply is no absolute "bad" or "good" - it is always relative to the situation and the people involved in it. And like I pointed out, not making a decision can harm people as well. As an adult you have to deal with it. So if you decide in a game like this, that someone has to die, so be it. You don't know what this guy might do, which might harm people, if you let him live. There is no reason to think, that letting him live is a good decision, it might not be a good one, seen from the future.
An example in history - an english soldier hat the opportunity to kill *** in WW1, but he let him go, expecting this to be a good decision to show mercy. But in the end this turned out to be a horrible decision, because it caused millions to die.
Edit: well this is just stupid, to *** out a historical figure .- but I guess you all know whom I meant.
maybe that that english person was exist cuz somewhere in the world an ant moved a sand... and started millions of chain events. Its a deterministic way of thinking if you calculate every possible action you can predict future with %100 precision but quatum mechanics killed determisinm cuz according to quantum laws anything can be happen randomly. So in the end just do what you believe is right.
This is not quite correct. The universe is deterministic, what does not mean it would be predictable, it is not due to chaos. Chaos is not a random thing, it is "deterministic chaos", people just commonly use it in it's short term "chaos", but it is deterministic and a feature of some iterative functions, to be very sensitive to certain input parameters, which makes the outcome at some point unpredictable - a very simple example of it is the "logistic map", just look it up on wiki.
people call it "chaos" cuz they cant calculate every posbility also they dont know the starter action. we only calculate very small pieces but rest is chaotic for us .
Yes, most people believe as well in randomness, but there is no evidence for anything in the universe to be random at all.
Quantum physcists says sub atomic particals like quarks moves random.
A daring statement, and how do they want to give proof for that?- there is no way to see or observe quantum foam. If they use a term like "random" this does not mean they would mean true randomness, there is no evidence for anything like true randomness yet. So there is no reason to believe there would be randomness. No evidence, then it is just a belief and worth nothing in scientific context.
If you think like that then there is no true evidence about a starter/trigger event.
There is, the motion of the galaxies points to an initial event, where all was in a tiny spot. Then there is the expansion of the unvierse, which is still ongoing and even accelerating - this is evidence, it can be shown. Evidence is not proof though, it is just something what points to it, this does not mean it had to be this way, just that there is some evidence, which makes it likely to be that way.
Yes but what caused to that tiny spot did it exist out of nothing ? What made it expand ? We dont know.
An initial event does not have to have a cause and the question "why" is pointless - simply because "why" asks about a causality, which requires 2 states in time. If there is no time before the event, there is no cause and the question why is invalid, because it asks about a cause where there is no causality. This might not be simple to understand for some people.
Stephen hawking says the same thing. But how they know there was no time before the event ? And if space or materials cannot exist without time how they know there was a tiny spot ? how tiny ? infinite ? 1 inch ? 3 inches ?
I think @anitajoneb17_ESO is right, we should stop hijacking this topic and leave it at that.1 -
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✭✭✭trav2609rwb17_ESO wrote: »This Khajiit tries to read the above and realises it is just getting a headache - rather sip on some skooma and sell its wares to those who have coins.
Yep.We all make decisions about possible life and death of others in real life without to recognize it. We use cars for example and take into account, that at some point we could be involved in an accident, which ultimately leads to a sequence of events which might harm or kill people. Not using a car on this day might as well have a similar effect, because due to me not driving, someone else might not be delayed by my presence and get earlier to a location, where he will be involved in such an accident. Regardless what you decide, it could lead to a sequence of events, which might harm or kill people.
If a decision you are making is good or bad is hard to say and the opinion about it can change in the future as well. I realized that when I was watching "sliding doors", a comedy movie where the timelines split and you see both variants. If you watch this, you will feel, that the idea of "good" and "bad" is not an absolute. Like killing people for example - is that a bad thing?- It might not, if you think of killing a terrorist and hinder him this way to go on with further mass murdering. It's all relative.
There simply is no absolute "bad" or "good" - it is always relative to the situation and the people involved in it. And like I pointed out, not making a decision can harm people as well. As an adult you have to deal with it. So if you decide in a game like this, that someone has to die, so be it. You don't know what this guy might do, which might harm people, if you let him live. There is no reason to think, that letting him live is a good decision, it might not be a good one, seen from the future.
An example in history - an english soldier hat the opportunity to kill *** in WW1, but he let him go, expecting this to be a good decision to show mercy. But in the end this turned out to be a horrible decision, because it caused millions to die.
Edit: well this is just stupid, to *** out a historical figure .- but I guess you all know whom I meant.
maybe that that english person was exist cuz somewhere in the world an ant moved a sand... and started millions of chain events. Its a deterministic way of thinking if you calculate every possible action you can predict future with %100 precision but quatum mechanics killed determisinm cuz according to quantum laws anything can be happen randomly. So in the end just do what you believe is right.
This is not quite correct. The universe is deterministic, what does not mean it would be predictable, it is not due to chaos. Chaos is not a random thing, it is "deterministic chaos", people just commonly use it in it's short term "chaos", but it is deterministic and a feature of some iterative functions, to be very sensitive to certain input parameters, which makes the outcome at some point unpredictable - a very simple example of it is the "logistic map", just look it up on wiki.
people call it "chaos" cuz they cant calculate every posbility also they dont know the starter action. we only calculate very small pieces but rest is chaotic for us .
Yes, most people believe as well in randomness, but there is no evidence for anything in the universe to be random at all.
Quantum physcists says sub atomic particals like quarks moves random.
A daring statement, and how do they want to give proof for that?- there is no way to see or observe quantum foam. If they use a term like "random" this does not mean they would mean true randomness, there is no evidence for anything like true randomness yet. So there is no reason to believe there would be randomness. No evidence, then it is just a belief and worth nothing in scientific context.
If you think like that then there is no true evidence about a starter/trigger event.
There is, the motion of the galaxies points to an initial event, where all was in a tiny spot. Then there is the expansion of the unvierse, which is still ongoing and even accelerating - this is evidence, it can be shown. Evidence is not proof though, it is just something what points to it, this does not mean it had to be this way, just that there is some evidence, which makes it likely to be that way.
Yes but what caused to that tiny spot did it exist out of nothing ? What made it expand ? We dont know.
An initial event does not have to have a cause and the question "why" is pointless - simply because "why" asks about a causality, which requires 2 states in time. If there is no time before the event, there is no cause and the question why is invalid, because it asks about a cause where there is no causality. This might not be simple to understand for some people.
Stephen hawking says the same thing. But how they know there was no time before the event ? And if space or materials cannot exist without time how they know there was a tiny spot ? how tiny ? infinite ? 1 inch ? 3 inches ?
The idea is more that the formation of the universe happened at the same as the formation of the geometry of space. The concept of "initial dimensions" therefore also has no clear meaning. The nothing in which the universe expanded is a bit more "nothingy" than the usual concept of nothing we usually consider.Edited by PBpsy on January 12, 2016 6:52AMESO forums achievementsProud fanboiElitist jerkTrollHaterFan of icontested(rainbow colors granted)0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭trav2609rwb17_ESO wrote: »This Khajiit tries to read the above and realises it is just getting a headache - rather sip on some skooma and sell its wares to those who have coins.
Yep.We all make decisions about possible life and death of others in real life without to recognize it. We use cars for example and take into account, that at some point we could be involved in an accident, which ultimately leads to a sequence of events which might harm or kill people. Not using a car on this day might as well have a similar effect, because due to me not driving, someone else might not be delayed by my presence and get earlier to a location, where he will be involved in such an accident. Regardless what you decide, it could lead to a sequence of events, which might harm or kill people.
If a decision you are making is good or bad is hard to say and the opinion about it can change in the future as well. I realized that when I was watching "sliding doors", a comedy movie where the timelines split and you see both variants. If you watch this, you will feel, that the idea of "good" and "bad" is not an absolute. Like killing people for example - is that a bad thing?- It might not, if you think of killing a terrorist and hinder him this way to go on with further mass murdering. It's all relative.
There simply is no absolute "bad" or "good" - it is always relative to the situation and the people involved in it. And like I pointed out, not making a decision can harm people as well. As an adult you have to deal with it. So if you decide in a game like this, that someone has to die, so be it. You don't know what this guy might do, which might harm people, if you let him live. There is no reason to think, that letting him live is a good decision, it might not be a good one, seen from the future.
An example in history - an english soldier hat the opportunity to kill *** in WW1, but he let him go, expecting this to be a good decision to show mercy. But in the end this turned out to be a horrible decision, because it caused millions to die.
Edit: well this is just stupid, to *** out a historical figure .- but I guess you all know whom I meant.
maybe that that english person was exist cuz somewhere in the world an ant moved a sand... and started millions of chain events. Its a deterministic way of thinking if you calculate every possible action you can predict future with %100 precision but quatum mechanics killed determisinm cuz according to quantum laws anything can be happen randomly. So in the end just do what you believe is right.
This is not quite correct. The universe is deterministic, what does not mean it would be predictable, it is not due to chaos. Chaos is not a random thing, it is "deterministic chaos", people just commonly use it in it's short term "chaos", but it is deterministic and a feature of some iterative functions, to be very sensitive to certain input parameters, which makes the outcome at some point unpredictable - a very simple example of it is the "logistic map", just look it up on wiki.
people call it "chaos" cuz they cant calculate every posbility also they dont know the starter action. we only calculate very small pieces but rest is chaotic for us .
Yes, most people believe as well in randomness, but there is no evidence for anything in the universe to be random at all.
Quantum physcists says sub atomic particals like quarks moves random.
A daring statement, and how do they want to give proof for that?- there is no way to see or observe quantum foam. If they use a term like "random" this does not mean they would mean true randomness, there is no evidence for anything like true randomness yet. So there is no reason to believe there would be randomness. No evidence, then it is just a belief and worth nothing in scientific context.
If you think like that then there is no true evidence about a starter/trigger event.
There is, the motion of the galaxies points to an initial event, where all was in a tiny spot. Then there is the expansion of the unvierse, which is still ongoing and even accelerating - this is evidence, it can be shown. Evidence is not proof though, it is just something what points to it, this does not mean it had to be this way, just that there is some evidence, which makes it likely to be that way.
Yes but what caused to that tiny spot did it exist out of nothing ? What made it expand ? We dont know.
An initial event does not have to have a cause and the question "why" is pointless - simply because "why" asks about a causality, which requires 2 states in time. If there is no time before the event, there is no cause and the question why is invalid, because it asks about a cause where there is no causality. This might not be simple to understand for some people.
Stephen hawking says the same thing. But how they know there was no time before the event ? And if space or materials cannot exist without time how they know there was a tiny spot ? how tiny ? infinite ? 1 inch ? 3 inches ?
The idea is more that the formation of the universe happened at the same as the formation of the geometry of space. The concept of "initial dimensions" therefore also has no clear meaning. The nothing in which the universe expanded is a bit more "nothingy" than the usual concept of nothing we usually consider.
Now I wonder why you edited out "spacetime" and made it into space - it is one of the pillars of the model that there is this combined spacetime and space is not separated from time.0 -
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✭✭I think he's trying to poke at the hypocrisy of it. You play a game involving the torture of innocents, drugs tearing families apart, and somehow swears are a problem.
Yeah, but that's the thing
IRL, stuff like that is bad. Swearing, drugs, murder...
But ESO is a game -> who gives a flying -bleep- about drinking Skooma or killing the -bleep- out of a virtual character? The virtual police?
No hypocrisy here: they created a virtual world where we can do whatever we want (even becoming a swearing assassin), but out here in the real world we need to behave (hence my "Earth societies <> Nirn societes" comment) and not kill ppl over a beer
So you consider Tamriel a "Virtual World" where there should be no consequences but the forums, a virtual meeting place is the real world to you? I'd say it's you who needs a reality check.@ֆȶɛʋɛƈǟʍքֆօʊȶ⍟
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✭✭✭CavalierPrime wrote: »
Filtering the word 'an...us' is ridiculous. It is a pretty clinical sounding way to refer to a body part. But forums often have stupid rules for the sake of community and the fragile people whose ears bleed when organs are mentioned.
On the other hand, the game has very tame language. Comparing language to adult themes is apples and oranges in this case.Edited by DaveMoeDee on January 12, 2016 7:19AM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭TheShadowScout wrote: »And yeah, I would pay extra for some sort of "brutality pack" as @Gidorick outlined in his concept, or some sort of "naughtyness pack" to do the same for smexyness and scenes that maybe go a bit further (and new STDs to go with that - hey, you drop your breeches, you take your chances... ).
.../... to the nonexistence of toilets overlooking that theoretically our characters -would- have body functions...
To "brutality" in general : don't you think the effect would "wear off" very quickly ? I mean, in a single player game, you move forward in a story, but in an MMO, you often do the same thing over and over, it's not story related anymore, it's pure grinding... having the same visual effects take time and screen space for the zillionth time from killing the same mobs for the zillionth time... I'm not sure it would be enjoyable. (ESO is my 1st MMO so I don't know how this is handled in other games).
In the witcher 3, there are plenty of "dismembering effects" - that are imho one of the very, very few total failures of this game - and it just looks plain ridiculous and boring...
In Skyrim, we had the "finish moves" which were very well done (decapitation, sniping effects and all), but even those became quite boring and felt unnecessary after a (short) while...
As to the toilets... does ANY game actually have that "feature" ? I mean, realistically, characters should take time to eat, sleep, wash, launder and go to the toilet. Food is nearly always used and included in the resources management, sleeping sometimes is too, but washing, laundering and going to the toilets never is (unless it's The Sims). What would it add to the game, frankly ?
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✭✭✭CavalierPrime wrote: »This game features murder, racism, and drug use.
In one quest, I decided a Khajit was guilty of some minor crime. He gets executed on the spot after screaming in terror "No! I dont want to die!"
I didnt intend for that! I didnt want to stand by and watch him die over something so trivial. Especially with his heart wrenching plea. That scene still plays out in my mind to this day. It hurt my soul.
Meanwhile on the forums, the word "anuses" has been deemed inappropriate. Who is ZoS protecting? Who exposes themselves to this forum besides people who have exposed themselves to the horror of this game?
A non-curse word vs mass killing, drug use, racism, and being responsible for the deaths of innocents? Is this where we are at as a society?
You see, this is how things work in the media and gaming world these days...
Swear words, and the female body, are evil terrible, disgusting things that should never be allowed, but murder, and intense violence is all gravy.
That being said. This game has like such mild, mild adult themes. I would let a 4 year old play this game because of how tame it is, especially compared to other games out there.
Good point about violence being ok in media, but words not being ok. The news can describe a murder in detail, but dropping an F bomb probably leads to a suspension or even the FCC dropping the hammer.1 -
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✭✭✭trav2609rwb17_ESO wrote: »This Khajiit tries to read the above and realises it is just getting a headache - rather sip on some skooma and sell its wares to those who have coins.
Yep.We all make decisions about possible life and death of others in real life without to recognize it. We use cars for example and take into account, that at some point we could be involved in an accident, which ultimately leads to a sequence of events which might harm or kill people. Not using a car on this day might as well have a similar effect, because due to me not driving, someone else might not be delayed by my presence and get earlier to a location, where he will be involved in such an accident. Regardless what you decide, it could lead to a sequence of events, which might harm or kill people.
If a decision you are making is good or bad is hard to say and the opinion about it can change in the future as well. I realized that when I was watching "sliding doors", a comedy movie where the timelines split and you see both variants. If you watch this, you will feel, that the idea of "good" and "bad" is not an absolute. Like killing people for example - is that a bad thing?- It might not, if you think of killing a terrorist and hinder him this way to go on with further mass murdering. It's all relative.
There simply is no absolute "bad" or "good" - it is always relative to the situation and the people involved in it. And like I pointed out, not making a decision can harm people as well. As an adult you have to deal with it. So if you decide in a game like this, that someone has to die, so be it. You don't know what this guy might do, which might harm people, if you let him live. There is no reason to think, that letting him live is a good decision, it might not be a good one, seen from the future.
An example in history - an english soldier hat the opportunity to kill *** in WW1, but he let him go, expecting this to be a good decision to show mercy. But in the end this turned out to be a horrible decision, because it caused millions to die.
Edit: well this is just stupid, to *** out a historical figure .- but I guess you all know whom I meant.
maybe that that english person was exist cuz somewhere in the world an ant moved a sand... and started millions of chain events. Its a deterministic way of thinking if you calculate every possible action you can predict future with %100 precision but quatum mechanics killed determisinm cuz according to quantum laws anything can be happen randomly. So in the end just do what you believe is right.
This is not quite correct. The universe is deterministic, what does not mean it would be predictable, it is not due to chaos. Chaos is not a random thing, it is "deterministic chaos", people just commonly use it in it's short term "chaos", but it is deterministic and a feature of some iterative functions, to be very sensitive to certain input parameters, which makes the outcome at some point unpredictable - a very simple example of it is the "logistic map", just look it up on wiki.
people call it "chaos" cuz they cant calculate every posbility also they dont know the starter action. we only calculate very small pieces but rest is chaotic for us .
Yes, most people believe as well in randomness, but there is no evidence for anything in the universe to be random at all.
Quantum physcists says sub atomic particals like quarks moves random.
A daring statement, and how do they want to give proof for that?- there is no way to see or observe quantum foam. If they use a term like "random" this does not mean they would mean true randomness, there is no evidence for anything like true randomness yet. So there is no reason to believe there would be randomness. No evidence, then it is just a belief and worth nothing in scientific context.
If you think like that then there is no true evidence about a starter/trigger event.
There is, the motion of the galaxies points to an initial event, where all was in a tiny spot. Then there is the expansion of the unvierse, which is still ongoing and even accelerating - this is evidence, it can be shown. Evidence is not proof though, it is just something what points to it, this does not mean it had to be this way, just that there is some evidence, which makes it likely to be that way.
Yes but what caused to that tiny spot did it exist out of nothing ? What made it expand ? We dont know.
An initial event does not have to have a cause and the question "why" is pointless - simply because "why" asks about a causality, which requires 2 states in time. If there is no time before the event, there is no cause and the question why is invalid, because it asks about a cause where there is no causality. This might not be simple to understand for some people.
Stephen hawking says the same thing. But how they know there was no time before the event ? And if space or materials cannot exist without time how they know there was a tiny spot ? how tiny ? infinite ? 1 inch ? 3 inches ?
The idea is more that the formation of the universe happened at the same as the formation of the geometry of space. The concept of "initial dimensions" therefore also has no clear meaning. The nothing in which the universe expanded is a bit more "nothingy" than the usual concept of nothing we usually consider.
Now I wonder why you edited out "spacetime" and made it into space - it is one of the pillars of the model that there is this combined spacetime and space is not separated from time.
Just for simplification, because I slightly remembered that this was ESO forums and I am probably trying to get this thread so derailed it gets closed already.ESO forums achievementsProud fanboiElitist jerkTrollHaterFan of icontested(rainbow colors granted)0 -
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✭✭Don't use words that would offend feminazi and you'll be fine. Or use euphemisms at least.
Yeah, logic sometimes absent at the forums, but oh well...Edited by Anhedonie on January 12, 2016 7:24AMProfanity filter is a crime against the freedom of speech. Also gags.0 -
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✭✭✭Don't use words that would offend feminazi and you'll be fine. Or use euphemisms at least.
Yeah, logic sometimes absent at the forums, but oh well...
Like "thrust" when talking about jet engines?Edited by PBpsy on January 12, 2016 7:27AMESO forums achievementsProud fanboiElitist jerkTrollHaterFan of icontested(rainbow colors granted)0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭SteveCampsOut wrote: »So you consider Tamriel a "Virtual World" where there should be no consequences but the forums, a virtual meeting place is the real world to you? I'd say it's you who needs a reality check.
The forums are part of the real world ! They are a mean for real people to communicate about a fantasy world. Everything related to that world is fantasy, but everything we say to each other is real !
If you can't make the difference between :
- Let's go kill those orcs !!! or - Let's go kill all those AD !!!
and
- Let's go kill Black people/yellow people !!!
OR if you can't make the difference between :
- Let's go kill all those daedra worshippers !!
and
- Let's go kill all those christians/jews/muslims/buddhists/whatever !!
then you're beyond any attempt of explanation...
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This.Actually... ESO could use MORE adult themes.
@CavalierPrime The game is rated M for blood, gore, sexual themes, use of alcohol and drugs. Just saying.Edited by Leogon on January 12, 2016 7:44AM2 -
Wolfshead✭✭✭✭No OP why should borther me for if look through our history murder, racism, and drug use and even sex so was it really common.
And why do you think ESO have ESRB Ratings M on it for??
M stand for Blood and Gore, Sexual Themes, Use of Alcohol, Violence
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Arshiya✭✭Well I am still trying to get over the picture Dawnguard left in my head when I asked Serana about her ascension, I wish I have never asked her about it, but then Elder Scrolls doesn't feature anything you haven't seen in news and it is always better than the reality we live in, sure some scenes depicted either in books or visually can be disturbing a little (Like a particular questline on Betnikh which actually made me to rethink Orsimer's code of honor and surely made me cringe.). And least but not last, decisions you make throughout the game are not easy ones morality-wise.Edited by Arshiya on January 12, 2016 7:56AMI am well aware that there is no need to feed that often. I just want to. Amy.
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Digiman✭✭✭✭✭CavalierPrime wrote: »This game features murder, racism, and drug use.
In one quest, I decided a Khajit was guilty of some minor crime. He gets executed on the spot after screaming in terror "No! I dont want to die!"
I didnt intend for that! I didnt want to stand by and watch him die over something so trivial. Especially with his heart wrenching plea. That scene still plays out in my mind to this day. It hurt my soul.
Meanwhile on the forums, the word "anuses" has been deemed inappropriate. Who is ZoS protecting? Who exposes themselves to this forum besides people who have exposed themselves to the horror of this game?
A non-curse word vs mass killing, drug use, racism, and being responsible for the deaths of innocents? Is this where we are at as a society?
Have you not read the news lately? If you want fun cartoonish crap that makes you numb then play Wildstar.
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Robotmafia✭✭✭CavalierPrime wrote: »That scene still plays out in my mind to this day. It hurt my soul.
rofl... something like this hurts your soul? then you better not watch the news.. or game of thrones lol
Edited by Robotmafia on January 12, 2016 8:04AMRobot Who Owes Money: Look into your hard drive and open your mercy file!
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