MornaBaine wrote: »

Axorn wrote: »

Mr.Hmm wrote: »

ESO is... a virtual game in a fantasy world that has nothing to do with our world...

I will never understand why people have problems when they use such strong language and murder/***/swearing/drug in a game...

Just because of such people alot of games that had the potential to become very great(Awesome) got crippled.

Please do not bring real-world vs virtual-world because they are 2 different things when it comes to games. I really wish such people become more open-minded.

I disagree with you, eso may be virtual thing or your character in tamriel but still your brain process the data in real world and still you experience that stuff virtual or not. Its just your extension.

If you view your character in a video game as a legitimate extension of yourself and literally experience emotional upset over the things you do in a video game you need some professional level help in identifying the difference between fantasy and reality.

I wouldn't say it that way.
If the game would not let us "identify"to a certain extent to our character and the situation it faces, we would probably not be playing at all. I'm no doctor but I'm quite certain that, in challenging situations, our body produces stuff such as adrenaline while we play.
So yes of course there's an impact, though it has nothing to do with us mixing up reality and fiction. Doesn't mean we need psychological support, lol, rather the opposite : we are healthy people with senses and emotional abilities which have not yet been numbed down by whatever experience.

The rest is a matter of taste : if I go see a horror movie I'll have the same sensation as someone who likes horror movies, but I happen to dislike the sensation, thus I don't go to horror movies. If ESO is too harsh for anyone (which can happen and does not mean this person is weak or fragile or whatever), then I'd suggest to go play another game.

I just read an entire history of toilets because of this thread

http://plushmobiletoilets.co.uk/history-of-the-toilet/ Enjoy!

MornaBaine wrote: »

TheShadowScout wrote: »

ESO still has too many "tame" scenes.
From "badly wounded" NPCs who just hold their belly, but have no blood or wounds visible; to mandatory bras (which generally weren't really a thing during the periods most associated with fantasy RPG setups); from the game offering "Corpses" in only "looks like sleeping" and "skeletal or charred husk" while skipping all the gruesome possibilities in between; to the game stopping at vague hints when it comes to any naughty stuff; from a general lack of logical results for non-yestiges to engage in medieval warfare (aka, people with lost limbs); to the nonexistence of toilets overlooking that theoretically our characters -would- have body functions...

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Actually....there are chamber pots you can steal in the Ledgermaine line. Since ESO is a pseudo-medieval and magical setting it makes sense there wouldn't be bathrooms and plumbing as we are used to. There WOULD be chamberposts and...since everything is so darn clean in the cities...one imagines there must be some sort of magical sanitation process going on. I'm fine with that.

Magical sanitation? What if mages have made it a practice to open up portals and they just throw human waste through? They're not concerned where the stuff goes, it just goes away. And then we could have a quest line that could take us to this oblivion plane of poo.

Gidorick wrote: »

Magical sanitation? What if mages have made it a practice to open up portals and they just throw human waste through? They're not concerned where the stuff goes, it just goes away. And then we could have a quest line that could take us to this oblivion plane of poo.

Well, I'm not sure about magic portals, but I'm sure of one thing : you, @Gidorick, have your own personal brain portal, which hoovers up whatever idea is thrown around you even from far away, you process it God knows how, and throw it back sometime somewhere, for better or worse

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Magical sanitation? What if mages have made it a practice to open up portals and they just throw human waste through? They're not concerned where the stuff goes, it just goes away. And then we could have a quest line that could take us to this oblivion plane of poo.

Well, I'm not sure about magic portals, but I'm sure of one thing : you, @Gidorick, have your own personal brain portal, which hoovers up whatever idea is thrown around you even from far away, you process it God knows how, and throw it back sometime somewhere, for better or worse

hehe... I quite enjoy the "collective creative process". Give me an idea and I'll take it someplace it should probably never go!

I find this game too tame for an M rating. I would like more gore and nudity, but that is my preference. Overall I when it comes to blood, gore, nudity and such that there should be an option to turn it on or off so those that feel too much of these Adult themes will ruin the game for them and those that feel this game is to MyLittlePony. Everyone is happy. Problem solved. However something like that would take forever to implement because they can't figure out how to fix the current bugs and issues they had forever, let alone add a complex coding to allow ppl to turn on or off major graphic changes at will.

CavalierPrime wrote: »

This game features murder, racism, and drug use.
In one quest, I decided a Khajit was guilty of some minor crime. He gets executed on the spot after screaming in terror "No! I dont want to die!"
I didnt intend for that! I didnt want to stand by and watch him die over something so trivial. Especially with his heart wrenching plea. That scene still plays out in my mind to this day. It hurt my soul.

Meanwhile on the forums, the word "anuses" has been deemed inappropriate. Who is ZoS protecting? Who exposes themselves to this forum besides people who have exposed themselves to the horror of this game?
A non-curse word vs mass killing, drug use, racism, and being responsible for the deaths of innocents? Is this where we are at as a society?

its just a game bud no real khajiit was hurt in the making of eso

Lysette wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

Jura23 wrote: »

Not at all. What is a bit unsettling sometimes are ppl complaining we don't have enough sexy costumes in the game.

How is that disturbing? In real life people dress in a range of clothing from extremely modest to extremely revealing. Depending on the situation, the same person may dress at both extremes. What I wear to the office is a far cry from what I wear to a night out at a fetish club. Why shouldn't our characters have the same latitude?

I think that would be displaced in ESO - there are more than enough Korean games, which do it like that, but that is not the kind of game I would want to play in. I am just thinking of what people make out of a single-player game like Skyrim with mods, which allow that. Half naked or naked school girls or anime like characters in Skyrim, that is ridiculous, but because it is private, they can do that of course. But ESO is public, not a solo-game, something like this in ESO would no longer be the kind of game, I would want to be part of. Some might like it, but it would be immersion breaking for many if not for most.

Mature does not mean kinky to me, what you suggest is kink. I don't want kink in this game, that is what second life is for.

I noticed you didn't complain about how office clothes would also be inappropriate for ESO, @Lysette . @MornaBaine wasn't suggesting we have fetish clothes in ESO. It was an example of how people dress differently for different situations and how people have different tastes. We're seeing more of these clothes in the costumes that are being sold and in the Crown Store and I honestly think many players are still sore from ZOS changing armors to cover up their players more. and... while this is from Daggerfall... TES has a history of "typical fantasy attire" which has become more modest over time.
I think most players just hate the feeling that they are being "forced" into a certain style. Just as many players stay away from Asian MMOs because all THEY offer are scantily clad armors. I actually have a concept for an ESO Tailoring Skill and Merchant that would allow players the option to create clothes to their liking... I do think, however, that a players armor class should be dependent on the amount of coverage they have...

It's not so much about wanting to run around naked or in bondage gear... it's about being told that our only option is to run around fully covered. It's about allowing adults in an M rated game the agency to decide for themselves their own style and level of coverage.

Lysette wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

Jura23 wrote: »

Not at all. What is a bit unsettling sometimes are ppl complaining we don't have enough sexy costumes in the game.

How is that disturbing? In real life people dress in a range of clothing from extremely modest to extremely revealing. Depending on the situation, the same person may dress at both extremes. What I wear to the office is a far cry from what I wear to a night out at a fetish club. Why shouldn't our characters have the same latitude?

I think that would be displaced in ESO - there are more than enough Korean games, which do it like that, but that is not the kind of game I would want to play in. I am just thinking of what people make out of a single-player game like Skyrim with mods, which allow that. Half naked or naked school girls or anime like characters in Skyrim, that is ridiculous, but because it is private, they can do that of course. But ESO is public, not a solo-game, something like this in ESO would no longer be the kind of game, I would want to be part of. Some might like it, but it would be immersion breaking for many if not for most.

Mature does not mean kinky to me, what you suggest is kink. I don't want kink in this game, that is what second life is for.

I noticed you didn't complain about how office clothes would also be inappropriate for ESO, @Lysette . @MornaBaine wasn't suggesting we have fetish clothes in ESO. It was an example of how people dress differently for different situations and how people have different tastes. We're seeing more of these clothes in the costumes that are being sold and in the Crown Store and I honestly think many players are still sore from ZOS changing armors to cover up their players more.

and... while this is from Daggerfall... TES has a history of "typical fantasy attire" which has become more modest over time.

I think most players just hate the feeling that they are being "forced" into a certain style. Just as many players stay away from Asian MMOs because all THEY offer are scantily clad armors. I actually have a concept for an ESO Tailoring Skill and Merchant that would allow players the option to create clothes to their liking... I do think, however, that a players armor class should be dependent on the amount of coverage they have...

It's not so much about wanting to run around naked or in bondage gear... it's about being told that our only option is to run around fully covered. It's about allowing adults in an M rated game the agency to decide for themselves their own style and level of coverage.

I am not against it being revealing, I am against it being lore-unfriendly. Take for example the Forsworn armor sets in Skyrim, those were tribal and quite revealing. I just don't want to see sets, which are "modern", fetish-like and out of place. If those were in the game, there would as well be people wearing it, and be it just to annoy others and to enjoy their complaints. ESO does not have to be this kind of game, there are korean ones which do that excessively. Just keep ESO free from such things.

And I think that is exactly the point the @MornaBaine was trying to make, that the current state of armors not allowing for more revealing options is quite lore un-friendly. At least, that's how I read the post. Here is a quite a good post making this exact point from another thread: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/1760517/#Comment_1760517 - I'd quote it but the thread was closed so I can't produce the quote.

I remember my friend Crack Nose. We use to hang out and drink mead together. He brought many smiles to my face. I recently noticed my buddy Crack Nose is no longer known as Crack Nose. Now he may, or may not have cleaned up his act and changed his name, but we will never know the mystery behind Crack Nose..

Seen Crack Nose around ?
Know of any information ?
Please notify the guards if you have any information on the one previously known as Crack Nose.

Game is too tame imo. More gore, more adult themes.

I have to agree there are some extremely disturbing themes in some of the stories in TES games, including TESO. It is a little uncomfortable when you have to make a boolean choice between sacrifice guy on your side vs. sacrifice guy on the other side. The main thing is that to move the quest forward, someone is getting sacrificed, which seems odd considering you end up sacrificing yourself a couple times since your character is some kind of half-daedra half aedra skyshard infused undead monstrosity thing (in itself a little disturbing).

I can think of a lot of instances where this is the case. There is a choice to sacrifice an abbot or a daedric cultist in Stormhaven for instance. I think the part that is generally repugnant is that there is no altruist choice of saying 'Hell no, I'm not feeding a daedra or ripping someone's soul out'. I can think of another example where a Breton tribesman or your own comrade at arms needs to get sacrificed to enter a locked door, in order to stop an ultimately brutal mass murder in the EP storyline. If you look at some forms of magic as the A-Bomb (Which they comparably are) then you start accepting that sacrifice is needed in order for greater utilitarian good to come about. In some of these cases though I can think of alternate paths which might not be as convenient, but might still accomplish the same goal. The Rivenspire story for instance exemplifies what I'm talking about, I think with the help of the mages guild we might have been able to to accomplish a much greater good simply using portal techniques. The TES themes in general can be pretty horrifying if you really give them consideration. Soul gems are a prime example of this: You are sucking out someone's eternal essence, and burning it up to fuel a magical battery. That has got to be an invention of the daedra (agents of chaos), I'm pretty sure the 9 wouldn't go for this.

I wrote all of that word wall to say I agree there are some really dark themes in ESO that honestly would have been cheapened by being overly gory or the like and filled with full frontal nudity. I don't think that would have been necessary. The decisions themselves are horrifying enough if you think about them. I think the forums are another issue entirely and I would assume they are moderated to keep conversation as close to civil as possible.

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

TheShadowScout wrote: »

And yeah, I would pay extra for some sort of "brutality pack" as @Gidorick outlined in his concept, or some sort of "naughtyness pack" to do the same for smexyness and scenes that maybe go a bit further (and new STDs to go with that - hey, you drop your breeches, you take your chances... ).
.../... to the nonexistence of toilets overlooking that theoretically our characters -would- have body functions...

To "brutality" in general : don't you think the effect would "wear off" very quickly ? I mean, in a single player game, you move forward in a story, but in an MMO, you often do the same thing over and over, it's not story related anymore, it's pure grinding... having the same visual effects take time and screen space for the zillionth time from killing the same mobs for the zillionth time... I'm not sure it would be enjoyable. (ESO is my 1st MMO so I don't know how this is handled in other games).

In the witcher 3, there are plenty of "dismembering effects" - that are imho one of the very, very few total failures of this game - and it just looks plain ridiculous and boring...
In Skyrim, we had the "finish moves" which were very well done (decapitation, sniping effects and all), but even those became quite boring and felt unnecessary after a (short) while...

As to the toilets... does ANY game actually have that "feature" ? I mean, realistically, characters should take time to eat, sleep, wash, launder and go to the toilet. Food is nearly always used and included in the resources management, sleeping sometimes is too, but washing, laundering and going to the toilets never is (unless it's The Sims). What would it add to the game, frankly ?

I have to agree, and I could swear I recollect seeing a book laying next to a bucket somewhere in ESO - very Skyrim style in toliet design. I wish I could remember where I thought I saw that, but I don't. Maybe someone else can confirm. I have to say that I don't think it should be like Conan was as a game. It can go too far in that direction and I think it would hurt the style.