Did the Adult Themes in ESO Bother You?

Sausage · January 2016

I hope it was more mature, just like our body types are some teenager body types, I looked like my char when I was 14 year old or so. If you like eating, drinking and exercise, you dont look like that, not to mention if you do labor work, what I'd imagine most people do in Tamriel, breaks my immersion.

Robotmafia · January 2016

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

If you can't make the difference between :
- Let's go kill those orcs !!! or - Let's go kill all those AD !!!
and
- Let's go kill Black people/yellow people !!!

OR if you can't make the difference between :
- Let's go kill all those daedra worshippers !!
and
- Let's go kill all those christians/jews/muslims/buddhists/whatever !!

wowowow sooo your implying orcs represent black people and the AD represents chinese people??

and all religions are similar to demon worship??

haha jk but when you make those camparison it could be taken that way :P

Jura23 · January 2016

Not at all. What is a bit unsettling sometimes are ppl complaining we don't have enough sexy costumes in the game.

anitajoneb17_ESO · January 2016

Robotmafia wrote: »

wowowow sooo your implying orcs represent black people and the AD represents chinese people??

and all religions are similar to demon worship??

haha jk but when you make those camparison it could be taken that way :P

LOL no ! I tried to make an explicit point as to why ingame violence and IRL violence should not be compared with the same standards and points of view. And that a forum is a "IRL" place, not an ingame place.

I tried to be as careful as possible... obviously not enough ! :-) Luckily, you're joking... But anyone who really wants to understand this the wrong way will find a way...

Tryxus · January 2016

SteveCampsOut wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

Jaeysa wrote: »

I think he's trying to poke at the hypocrisy of it. You play a game involving the torture of innocents, drugs tearing families apart, and somehow swears are a problem.

Yeah, but that's the thing

IRL, stuff like that is bad. Swearing, drugs, murder...

But ESO is a game -> who gives a flying -bleep- about drinking Skooma or killing the -bleep- out of a virtual character? The virtual police?

No hypocrisy here: they created a virtual world where we can do whatever we want (even becoming a swearing assassin), but out here in the real world we need to behave (hence my "Earth societies <> Nirn societes" comment) and not kill ppl over a beer

So you consider Tamriel a "Virtual World" where there should be no consequences but the forums, a virtual meeting place is the real world to you? I'd say it's you who needs a reality check.

Tamriel is a game, we create our chars to do whatever we want. Even the bad stuff (Nirn societies)

This forum is an Online meeting place with real people (not a virtual place), so obviously rules should be set here to prevent the bad things (Earth societies)

I got my "reality check", do you?

Jura23 · January 2016

Tryxus wrote: »

SteveCampsOut wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

Jaeysa wrote: »

I think he's trying to poke at the hypocrisy of it. You play a game involving the torture of innocents, drugs tearing families apart, and somehow swears are a problem.

Yeah, but that's the thing

IRL, stuff like that is bad. Swearing, drugs, murder...

But ESO is a game -> who gives a flying -bleep- about drinking Skooma or killing the -bleep- out of a virtual character? The virtual police?

No hypocrisy here: they created a virtual world where we can do whatever we want (even becoming a swearing assassin), but out here in the real world we need to behave (hence my "Earth societies <> Nirn societes" comment) and not kill ppl over a beer

So you consider Tamriel a "Virtual World" where there should be no consequences but the forums, a virtual meeting place is the real world to you? I'd say it's you who needs a reality check.

Tamriel is a game, we create our chars to do whatever we want. Even the bad stuff (Nirn societies)

This forum is an Online meeting place with real people (not a virtual place), so obviously rules should be set here to prevent the bad things (Earth societies)

I got my "reality check", do you?

Did you even hear about Matrix?

TheShadowScout · January 2016

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

To "brutality" in general : don't you think the effect would "wear off" very quickly ? I mean, in a single player game, you move forward in a story, but in an MMO, you often do the same thing over and over, it's not story related anymore, it's pure grinding... having the same visual effects take time and screen space for the zillionth time from killing the same mobs for the zillionth time... I'm not sure it would be enjoyable. (ESO is my 1st MMO so I don't know how this is handled in other games).

In the witcher 3, there are plenty of "dismembering effects" - that are imho one of the very, very few total failures of this game - and it just looks plain ridiculous and boring...
In Skyrim, we had the "finish moves" which were very well done (decapitation, sniping effects and all), but even those became quite boring and felt unnecessary after a (short) while...

...and that is why I think @Gidorick hits the spot with his Brutality Pack concept. Make it a DLC. Let those people who -want- extra gore pay extra for it, let those people who don't want it keep their game as is.

For me, "realistic" blood and gore adds a desired layer of immersion to any fantasy game. Not in an "effect" sense that might wear off, but in an "something is missing" sense when its not present that sends a jarring note through my in-game immersion.
Doesn't have to be overdone... but is ought to be present. Like mentioned, GoT style, not S-B&S style, or anime-how-the-heck-does-that-much-red-stuff-fit-into-a-body-style.

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

As to the toilets... does ANY game actually have that "feature" ? I mean, realistically, characters should take time to eat, sleep, wash, launder and go to the toilet. Food is nearly always used and included in the resources management, sleeping sometimes is too, but washing, laundering and going to the toilets never is (unless it's The Sims). What would it add to the game, frankly ?

Not feature.
Background.

Just have then in odd places to make the world seem more "real", to further immersion. The lack of some "things of daily life", like a loo, or a bathtub now and then, or children running around city streets, all this is occasionally noticed in an "something is missing..." kind of way. And I wish it wasn't. Even though many games neglect these things...
One of the really neat things about FallOut was that it didn't. They had toilets, just in the background. occasionally involved in some quest. Later as source of (not really all that useful) water. But they had them, even when they were just scenery, and it added a nice layer of plausibility to improve the immersion.

Thevampirenight · January 2016

Well children will most deffinitly learn all the swear words i think in elementry or middle school or junior high, they might have there reasons for it but this is after all a mature game, and I would like to see them act like it is one, in fact I liked in skyrim they had all the blood and gore and heads cut off it made the game so much better, me thinks and if you had a female charater and wore the forsworn armor they had butt clevage as well as cleveage in the front I would like to see some outfits like that in eso. I understand they won't do full nudity, they would have to remain in the limits, of whats allowed with laws, showing cleavage or butt crack for either gender is perfectly fine and should be added, also having like a head cutting off animation would be epic. They also need to add some child npcs, it makes the game feel more alive this way, well they should add sitable loos or bathtubs in the game as well but for reasons they would not add any bathroom animations or such if they ever did.

Cazzy · January 2016

I've been in bed for 24 hours and this has been the first post I've seen. Sorry if I'm repeating someone...

The game is rated for a mature audience. Whoever buys for their child, it's on them, Zeni done their part. The forum, however, is a public forum. Therefore has to bend to the rules of what is appropriate for public viewing. They'll be in trouble should they allow anything unsavoury to pass through

I found the game had awesome 'themes' that made it more enjoyable. The dilemma was real, the naughty stuff made me appreciate the generation this game was catered to... It all fit for an Elder Scrolls game

Lysette · January 2016

Sausage wrote: »

I hope it was more mature, just like our body types are some teenager body types, I looked like my char when I was 14 year old or so. If you like eating, drinking and exercise, you dont look like that, not to mention if you do labor work, what I'd imagine most people do in Tamriel, breaks my immersion.

This - I feel as well as if especially female characters look much too much like school girls and you can do whatever you want, you don't get them to a shape that is natural and does not look like model shaped. Especially a character who is wielding weapons and a shield is by far different in shape than a modern day person, which has all the machines to avoid hard labor. So why is this game catering to immature boys, who want to play as their girlfriend in this game?- It should rather reflect how people would really look like in this game world, hardy and with some flesh on the body - all others would not have made it.

Kelces · January 2016

It is all about context. Just showing the one word, that was used, can't be enough to tell right from wrong.

One anecdote comes to mind here:
Imagine an american tourist in a restorant in England making an order: "One bloody steak please." The waiter/waitress replies: "Want some f***ing potatoes too?"
The american seems confused, because this terminology is totally normal in the USA and probably other english speaking countries. British people however may find it harsh instead. But I guess, this might be just something to chuckle at.

English is not my native language, but that story told me a lot about subtile differences in culture.

Lettigall · January 2016

ESO is not adult enough, it's medieval fantasy but there's almost no gore, brutality, superstitions, racism and prejudices. World looks medieval but don't feels like it. Too much tolerance in it. After playing Witcher, login into ESO feels like stepping into kindergarten!

anitajoneb17_ESO · January 2016

Lettigall wrote: »

ESO is not adult enough, it's medieval fantasy but there's almost no gore, brutality, superstitions, racism and prejudices. World looks medieval but don't feels like it. Too much tolerance in it. After playing Witcher, login into ESO feels like stepping into kindergarten!

That's very true. But it's our own fault to compare the two games as if they were comparable, when they're in fact opposite in nearly every possible way.
In my opinion ESO is set in a fantasy world, but certainly not medieval.

I wouldn't, however, make "adult" or "mature" equal to gore, blood, brutality, sex/nudity and all those things. All those things appeal more to teenagers (in my opinion). What bothers me more is (like other have already mentioned) all characters and NPCs looking 18 years old, and all "beautiful" according to the same cliches.

RadicalSpirit · January 2016

haha, the switch from a serious tone to the word "anuses" and the image of little trolls on the forums using it to insult people... Made me laugh considerably.

RadicalSpirit · January 2016

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

It is not "shocking" but it sometimes a little bit inconsistent.

As far as I know, ZOS tried to make ESO PG12 rated while developing it, and they were disappointed when it finally was PG16 (and later PG18). All other TES game were developed with the PG18/mature content, in mind, therefore the artistic choices were in accordance with the grey-ish, dark, racist, violent universe of the Elder Scrolls games. In ESO, they tried to put something "very clean" in this "unclean" environment, and that's, imho, the reason why it sometimes "clashes" and feels disturbing, or at least out of place.

In Witcher 3, everything is consistent. It is very violent, both in story and pictures, and some choices are REALLY harsh.
In order to reach the "best" ending at a political level, you MUST betray a very loyal friend who, incidentally, just saved your life 2 minutes ago... that's a hard one...
. But it is never really shocking, because it's never out of place, silly or meaningless. It "fits".

As to the trash talk and the thread title that's been moderated (and I approve of this) : Maturity is not about the freedom to talk and behave just the way you please no matter where and with whom. It's about knowing when to and when not to and not put one's ego into it. Trash talking is not enough to make the talk "cool", "clever" or "funny". And cool, clever or funny talk doesn't necessarily have to include trash. In the end, it all comes down to things being intelligently done - or plain silly. That thread title was just silly.

I didn't betray him... Just saying... there was almost no difference between betraying him or not, like that choice didn't have anywhere near the impact it should have.

anitajoneb17_ESO · January 2016

RadicalSpirit wrote: »

I didn't betray him... Just saying... there was almost no difference between betraying him or not, like that choice didn't have anywhere near the impact it should have.

Are you sure we're talking about the same choice ?

If you defend Roche and Thaler, Dijkstra dies and Emhyr wins the war, the entire "Northern Realms" disappear. If you do not defend Roche and Thaler, they both die, Dijkstra defeats Emhyr and reunites the Northern Realms. That means freedom for all mages and non-humans. If you refuse to do the quest, Radovic wins the war and persecutes magic-users, non-humans and minorities in the entire country. If you call that "not having an impact", then you weren't paying attention - or you care only about the characters that you know, and not about entire populations.

Back to topic :

TheShadowScout wrote: »

For me, "realistic" blood and gore adds a desired layer of immersion to any fantasy game. Not in an "effect" sense that might wear off, but in an "something is missing" sense when its not present that sends a jarring note through my in-game immersion.
Doesn't have to be overdone... but is ought to be present. Like mentioned, GoT style, not S-B&S style, or anime-how-the-heck-does-that-much-red-stuff-fit-into-a-body-style.

OK, fair enough. Wouldn't be my cup of tea but if it's optional... doubt it would be doable though (resources).

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Not feature.
Background.

Just have then in odd places to make the world seem more "real", to further immersion. The lack of some "things of daily life", like a loo, or a bathtub now and then, or children running around city streets, all this is occasionally noticed in an "something is missing..." kind of way. And I wish it wasn't. Even though many games neglect these things...
One of the really neat things about FallOut was that it didn't. They had toilets, just in the background. occasionally involved in some quest. Later as source of (not really all that useful) water. But they had them, even when they were just scenery, and it added a nice layer of plausibility to improve the immersion.

Don't buckets stand for toilets in Elder Scrolls Games ? I think that's what they were used for (among other things).

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Xendyn · January 2016

Should have just stolen Mark's word (the artist on ESO Live) and said "ash hole"
Would have been fine

NateAssassin · January 2016

I got a temp ban for saying "swear" words in chat, yet NPCs swear.

Lettigall · January 2016

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Lettigall wrote: »

ESO is not adult enough, it's medieval fantasy but there's almost no gore, brutality, superstitions, racism and prejudices. World looks medieval but don't feels like it. Too much tolerance in it. After playing Witcher, login into ESO feels like stepping into kindergarten!

That's very true. But it's our own fault to compare the two games as if they were comparable, when they're in fact opposite in nearly every possible way.
In my opinion ESO is set in a fantasy world, but certainly not medieval.

I wouldn't, however, make "adult" or "mature" equal to gore, blood, brutality, sex/nudity and all those things. All those things appeal more to teenagers (in my opinion). What bothers me more is (like other have already mentioned) all characters and NPCs looking 18 years old, and all "beautiful" according to the same cliches.

Of course Witcher and ESO are completely different that's why I'm comparing only atmospheres in those games. And In ESO there are no atmosphere of war. No suspicions, hate towards persons from other factions that live in you faction, no witch hunt for spies.
Tamriel is in total war, where's all depression, fear, anger? All we see are beautiful, tolerant NPCs who lives in fairy tail world where alliances war doesn't bother them at all. And no sex in Tamriel, seems only Darien isn't living in celibacy.

Lokryn · January 2016

Actually, I wish it was more hardcore. There's barely any blood in the game. I would like to see finishing moves like in Skyrim too. This is a M rated game after all.

PBpsy · January 2016

Jura23 wrote: »

Not at all. What is a bit unsettling sometimes are ppl complaining we don't have enough sexy costumes in the game.

What I find unsettling that not all people are complaining that we don't have enough sexy costumes in the game. Means that they have pretty damn unnatural priorities.

anitajoneb17_ESO · January 2016

Lettigall wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Lettigall wrote: »

ESO is not adult enough, it's medieval fantasy but there's almost no gore, brutality, superstitions, racism and prejudices. World looks medieval but don't feels like it. Too much tolerance in it. After playing Witcher, login into ESO feels like stepping into kindergarten!

That's very true. But it's our own fault to compare the two games as if they were comparable, when they're in fact opposite in nearly every possible way.
In my opinion ESO is set in a fantasy world, but certainly not medieval.

I wouldn't, however, make "adult" or "mature" equal to gore, blood, brutality, sex/nudity and all those things. All those things appeal more to teenagers (in my opinion). What bothers me more is (like other have already mentioned) all characters and NPCs looking 18 years old, and all "beautiful" according to the same cliches.

Of course Witcher and ESO are completely different that's why I'm comparing only atmospheres in those games. And In ESO there are no atmosphere of war. No suspicions, hate towards persons from other factions that live in you faction, no witch hunt for spies.
Tamriel is in total war, where's all depression, fear, anger? All we see are beautiful, tolerant NPCs who lives in fairy tail world where alliances war doesn't bother them at all. And no sex in Tamriel, seems only Darien isn't living in celibacy.

Actually I find the atmosphere in Cyrodiil (in towns - or whatever's left of them) very depressing, and NPCs there reflect this quite well.
Regarding sex, it's not entirely true, there are even some hidden brothels in some spots of Tamriel - but of course, nothing as "colorful" as in the Witcher.
As to the rest, I agree with you, and I'd like to have that too, but I guess that's the price to pay to have an MMO : you can customize your character's look and abilities, but that's pretty much all you can customize : the world around has to be the same for everyone. The justice system though has brought quite a bit of life in it, you can see people crouching or attacked by guards or fleeing. At least SOME consequences brought by personal choices in playstyle. I truly hope that Thieves' Guild DLC will include the 2nd part of the justice system (the law enforcers), that would bring much more depth and life into the game.

bertenburnyb16_ESO · January 2016

adult themes?
hey change the setting and u got dora-the-explorer-online

petraeus1 · January 2016

Cazzy wrote: »

I've been in bed for 24 hours and this has been the first post I've seen. Sorry if I'm repeating someone...

The game is rated for a mature audience. Whoever buys for their child, it's on them, Zeni done their part. The forum, however, is a public forum. Therefore has to bend to the rules of what is appropriate for public viewing. They'll be in trouble should they allow anything unsavoury to pass through

I found the game had awesome 'themes' that made it more enjoyable. The dilemma was real, the naughty stuff made me appreciate the generation this game was catered to... It all fit for an Elder Scrolls game

This, but also: a forum is designed to discuss topics related to the game, and we all know where discussions go when rudeness is introduced. Even without swearing and otherwise inappropriate language, there's still plenty of rudeness and trolling left on this forum, little consideration for ZOS employees and fellow gamers, and I'm glad those instances are at least void of questionable language. (The game on the other hand is a role playing game, intended to simulate situations where using curse words or profane language could be plausible or expected, not to be rude to any real human being.)

MornaBaine · January 2016

Gidorick wrote: »

Actually... ESO could use MORE adult themes.

Seriously! It's an M rated game for pity's sake! Bring on the nudity, the brothels, the skooma dens and some cool as hades FATALATIES please! Oh yes, and some smexy armor for both sexes while we're at it. In a world where a good deal of the protection armor provides is via magic in the form of enchants there is absolutely no logical reason to only have armor suitable to Nuns. Yes, by all means, keep the heavy armor practical. I assume not everyone plays as if they have "magical armor" in their roleplay so we definitely need to keep that stuff around. But we ALSO desperately need OPTIONS in armor looks and I am not opposed to more "fantasy" armor so long as the looks of it are in keeping with the cultural styles of the various races. Because honestly, this game? It may have some mature themes but the LOOK of the game has clearly been sanitized for 12 year olds. Knock it off ZOS. Give us the M rated game we paid for.

ralonasan · January 2016

PC America is coming boys. Tinfoil hats ready!

MornaBaine · January 2016

Axorn wrote: »

Mr.Hmm wrote: »

ESO is... a virtual game in a fantasy world that has nothing to do with our world...

I will never understand why people have problems when they use such strong language and murder/***/swearing/drug in a game...

Just because of such people alot of games that had the potential to become very great(Awesome) got crippled.

Please do not bring real-world vs virtual-world because they are 2 different things when it comes to games. I really wish such people become more open-minded.

I disagree with you, eso may be virtual thing or your character in tamriel but still your brain process the data in real world and still you experience that stuff virtual or not. Its just your extension.

If you view your character in a video game as a legitimate extension of yourself and literally experience emotional upset over the things you do in a video game you need some professional level help in identifying the difference between fantasy and reality.

MornaBaine · January 2016

TheShadowScout wrote: »

ESO still has too many "tame" scenes.
From "badly wounded" NPCs who just hold their belly, but have no blood or wounds visible; to mandatory bras (which generally weren't really a thing during the periods most associated with fantasy RPG setups); from the game offering "Corpses" in only "looks like sleeping" and "skeletal or charred husk" while skipping all the gruesome possibilities in between; to the game stopping at vague hints when it comes to any naughty stuff; from a general lack of logical results for non-yestiges to engage in medieval warfare (aka, people with lost limbs); to the nonexistence of toilets overlooking that theoretically our characters -would- have body functions...

...

Actually....there are chamber pots you can steal in the Ledgermaine line. Since ESO is a pseudo-medieval and magical setting it makes sense there wouldn't be bathrooms and plumbing as we are used to. There WOULD be chamberposts and...since everything is so darn clean in the cities...one imagines there must be some sort of magical sanitation process going on. I'm fine with that.

MornaBaine · January 2016

Jura23 wrote: »

Not at all. What is a bit unsettling sometimes are ppl complaining we don't have enough sexy costumes in the game.

How is that disturbing? In real life people dress in a range of clothing from extremely modest to extremely revealing. Depending on the situation, the same person may dress at both extremes. What I wear to the office is a far cry from what I wear to a night out at a fetish club. Why shouldn't our characters have the same latitude?

Cazzy · January 2016

I've always imagined ES toilets to be similar to the Victorian 'privy'.