Did the Adult Themes in ESO Bother You?

Korah_Eaglecry · January 2016

CavalierPrime wrote: »

This game features murder, racism, and drug use.
In one quest, I decided a Khajit was guilty of some minor crime. He gets executed on the spot after screaming in terror "No! I dont want to die!"
I didnt intend for that! I didnt want to stand by and watch him die over something so trivial. Especially with his heart wrenching plea. That scene still plays out in my mind to this day. It hurt my soul.

Meanwhile on the forums, the word "anuses" has been deemed inappropriate. Who is ZoS protecting? Who exposes themselves to this forum besides people who have exposed themselves to the horror of this game?
A non-curse word vs mass killing, drug use, racism, and being responsible for the deaths of innocents? Is this where we are at as a society?

Dont forget the prostitute Argonian in the Outlaws Den in Windhelm or the Brothel in Ebonheart with the BDSM going on in the basement.

The game is full of adult themes.

americansteel · January 2016

not enough violence, racism, hatred, kussing, blood, gore we need more. ESO is too soft.

Yolokin_Swagonborn · January 2016

This game has three volumes of the lusty argonian maid and yet I'm not allowed to have a Sorcerer named Pelvic Sorcery?

Haven't you seen Guardians of the Galaxy ZOS? How is that name worthy of a change?

Gidorick · January 2016

americansteel wrote: »

not enough violence, racism, hatred, kussing, blood, gore we need more. ESO is too soft.

YEEESSSS!!!!

I would LOVE it if there were cities or zones that just HATED you because of your race! Side qests that you couldn't do because you are a filthy orc. Merchants that won't sell to you, or will rip you off, because you're a Bosmer.

I ask for more violence in my Brutality Pack Concpet: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/222351/brutality-pack-concept/p1

I touch upon bias on my Advanced Speechcraft concept where I suggest a sexual orientation be added to NPC merchants and you can "allure" NPCs and it's more effective if they are "into" you. This concept could be expanded for race also. http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/171138/advanced-speechcraft-expansion-concept/p1

Julianos · January 2016

CavalierPrime wrote: »

This game features murder, racism, and drug use.
In one quest, I decided a Khajit was guilty of some minor crime. He gets executed on the spot after screaming in terror "No! I dont want to die!"
I didnt intend for that! I didnt want to stand by and watch him die over something so trivial. Especially with his heart wrenching plea. That scene still plays out in my mind to this day. It hurt my soul.

Meanwhile on the forums, the word "anuses" has been deemed inappropriate. Who is ZoS protecting? Who exposes themselves to this forum besides people who have exposed themselves to the horror of this game?
A non-curse word vs mass killing, drug use, racism, and being responsible for the deaths of innocents? Is this where we are at as a society?

Everything in this nature from micro scale to macro scale kills each other i didnt see any other organism that doesnt kill other species or other organism so grow up boy and start killin

lol joking... maybe i shouldnt joke to such sensitive person like you

SnuggleMePlease · January 2016

I had assumed that since you must be at least 18 years old to play this game, that swearing/crude/offensive behavior would be acceptable. I mean, we're all mature adults who live in a reality where we experience such behaviors occasionally. However, there seems to be a small minority of players who are fond of (a) being offended or (b) being trolls. I remember I got reported for joking around in zone chat and saying, "That's so gay."

And, I could understand if it was the whole bit about how using gay as a derogatory term further perpetuates homophobia, because I am gay and, while I don't mind people using that phrase, it certainly isn't something I appreciate either. The situation I was referencing, however, sounded legitimately homosexual in nature, and thus I wasn't using it as a derogative, rather as an adjective. Aside from that, I went onto to discuss how gay I was and laughed at the entire situation.

Anyways, it turns out that somebody saw that, got their panties in a bunch, and decided to report me. It was something surprisingly immature that I wasn't expecting in a game that should be +18 only. Moral of the story? Just don't speak in zone chat. People won't be content until it is filled with nothing but copy-and-paste guild recruitment and WTS ads.

TL;DR: People on ESO are more immature than you think. Many are either trolls or tumblr SJWs who live to be offended. Beware.

Cheers,
Snuggle

Islyn · January 2016

(I actually feel badly when I have to kill certain people in quests, or pick which one dies, etc. Don't tell anyone.)

Mr.Hmm · January 2016

ESO is... a virtual game in a fantasy world that has nothing to do with our world...

I will never understand why people have problems when they use such strong language and murder/***/swearing/drug in a game...

Just because of such people alot of games that had the potential to become very great(Awesome) got crippled.

Please do not bring real-world vs virtual-world because they are 2 different things when it comes to games. I really wish such people become more open-minded.

TotterTates · January 2016

SnuggleMePlease wrote: »

I had assumed that since you must be at least 18 years old to play this game, that swearing/crude/offensive behavior would be acceptable. I mean, we're all mature adults who live in a reality where we experience such behaviors occasionally. However, there seems to be a small minority of players who are fond of (a) being offended or (b) being trolls. I remember I got reported for joking around in zone chat and saying, "That's so gay."

And, I could understand if it was the whole bit about how using gay as a derogatory term further perpetuates homophobia, because I am gay and, while I don't mind people using that phrase, it certainly isn't something I appreciate either. The situation I was referencing, however, sounded legitimately homosexual in nature, and thus I wasn't using it as a derogative, rather as an adjective. Aside from that, I went onto to discuss how gay I was and laughed at the entire situation.

Anyways, it turns out that somebody saw that, got their panties in a bunch, and decided to report me. It was something surprisingly immature that I wasn't expecting in a game that should be +18 only. Moral of the story? Just don't speak in zone chat. People won't be content until it is filled with nothing but copy-and-paste guild recruitment and WTS ads.

TL;DR: People on ESO are more immature than you think. Many are either trolls or tumblr SJWs who live to be offended. Beware.

Cheers,
Snuggle

Do you have a character named snugglepuppy? If so, I'm sorry about the sewers on Sunday. I actually felt bad killing a character with that name.

PBpsy · January 2016

This game is barely PG13 in reality so no ,it did not bothered me at all.
Compare TESO with a real M rated game like The Witcher 3, which actually managed to make me say "This is slightly sniped up" a few times.

Julianos · January 2016

Mr.Hmm wrote: »

ESO is... a virtual game in a fantasy world that has nothing to do with our world...

I will never understand why people have problems when they use such strong language and murder/***/swearing/drug in a game...

Just because of such people alot of games that had the potential to become very great(Awesome) got crippled.

Please do not bring real-world vs virtual-world because they are 2 different things when it comes to games. I really wish such people become more open-minded.

I disagree with you, eso may be virtual thing or your character in tamriel but still your brain process the data in real world and still you experience that stuff virtual or not. Its just your extension.

Lysette · January 2016

We all make decisions about possible life and death of others in real life without to recognize it. We use cars for example and take into account, that at some point we could be involved in an accident, which ultimately leads to a sequence of events which might harm or kill people. Not using a car on this day might as well have a similar effect, because due to me not driving, someone else might not be delayed by my presence and get earlier to a location, where he will be involved in such an accident. Regardless what you decide, it could lead to a sequence of events, which might harm or kill people.

If a decision you are making is good or bad is hard to say and the opinion about it can change in the future as well. I realized that when I was watching "sliding doors", a comedy movie where the timelines split and you see both variants. If you watch this, you will feel, that the idea of "good" and "bad" is not an absolute. Like killing people for example - is that a bad thing?- It might not, if you think of killing a terrorist and hinder him this way to go on with further mass murdering. It's all relative.

There simply is no absolute "bad" or "good" - it is always relative to the situation and the people involved in it. And like I pointed out, not making a decision can harm people as well. As an adult you have to deal with it. So if you decide in a game like this, that someone has to die, so be it. You don't know what this guy might do, which might harm people, if you let him live. There is no reason to think, that letting him live is a good decision, it might not be a good one, seen from the future.

An example in history - an english soldier hat the opportunity to kill *** in WW1, but he let him go, expecting this to be a good decision to show mercy. But in the end this turned out to be a horrible decision, because it caused millions to die.

Edit: well this is just stupid, to *** out a historical figure .- but I guess you all know whom I meant.

Julianos · January 2016

Lysette wrote: »

We all make decisions about possible life and death of others in real life without to recognize it. We use cars for example and take into account, that at some point we could be involved in an accident, which ultimately leads to a sequence of events which might harm or kill people. Not using a car on this day might as well have a similar effect, because due to me not driving, someone else might not be delayed by my presence and get earlier to a location, where he will be involved in such an accident. Regardless what you decide, it could lead to a sequence of events, which might harm or kill people.

If a decision you are making is good or bad is hard to say and the opinion about it can change in the future as well. I realized that when I was watching "sliding doors", a comedy movie where the timelines split and you see both variants. If you watch this, you will feel, that the idea of "good" and "bad" is not an absolute. Like killing people for example - is that a bad thing?- It might not, if you think of killing a terrorist and hinder him this way to go on with further mass murdering. It's all relative.

There simply is no absolute "bad" or "good" - it is always relative to the situation and the people involved in it. And like I pointed out, not making a decision can harm people as well. As an adult you have to deal with it. So if you decide in a game like this, that someone has to die, so be it. You don't know what this guy might do, which might harm people, if you let him live. There is no reason to think, that letting him live is a good decision, it might not be a good one, seen from the future.

An example in history - an english soldier hat the opportunity to kill *** in WW1, but he let him go, expecting this to be a good decision to show mercy. But in the end this turned out to be a horrible decision, because it caused millions to die.

Edit: well this is just stupid, to *** out a historical figure .- but I guess you all know whom I meant.

maybe that that english person was exist cuz somewhere in the world an ant moved a sand... and started millions of chain events. Its a deterministic way of thinking if you calculate every possible action you can predict future with %100 precision but quatum mechanics killed determisinm cuz according to quantum laws anything can be happen randomly. So in the end just do what you believe is right.

RAGUNAnoOne · January 2016

It's not bad compared to the stuff you hear in middle school and see in PG 13 movies.

Elsir · January 2016

To me, it's a way to help forum posts somewhat mature. The nature of the game entails that there will be some events in their lives that are just what they are. But when you come on the forums, you don't NEED to be throwing around words like that at all. What purpose does it serve other than shock value? On a discussion forum, we're here to discuss. Not to be "wow'd" but a sudden turn of phrase as if it were some kind of plot twist to a drama movie. Moderation here is to keep things mature and respectable among ourselves. Learn to get a point across without the need to resort to petty words, phrases, slander or anything of that nature.

Islyn · January 2016

Axorn wrote: »

Mr.Hmm wrote: »

ESO is... a virtual game in a fantasy world that has nothing to do with our world...

I will never understand why people have problems when they use such strong language and murder/***/swearing/drug in a game...

Just because of such people alot of games that had the potential to become very great(Awesome) got crippled.

Please do not bring real-world vs virtual-world because they are 2 different things when it comes to games. I really wish such people become more open-minded.

I disagree with you, eso may be virtual thing or your character in tamriel but still your brain process the data in real world and still you experience that stuff virtual or not. Its just your extension.

Agree and I was going to say something like this.

I mentally have to go 'is a game, chill' before I make those kill this or this quests, and I also sometiems just did not complete them.

Like the one in AD and all these people were accused of picking a stupid flower and basically you have to kill someone based on religious beliefs I could gave a rip less about than having to kill someone for trying to help someone (don't wanna spoiler too much)

Abandon Quest (I try to write D O N G so show the sound of abandon quest, apparently that is a curse word? Well the 70s called and want their insult back.)

Lysette · January 2016

Axorn wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

We all make decisions about possible life and death of others in real life without to recognize it. We use cars for example and take into account, that at some point we could be involved in an accident, which ultimately leads to a sequence of events which might harm or kill people. Not using a car on this day might as well have a similar effect, because due to me not driving, someone else might not be delayed by my presence and get earlier to a location, where he will be involved in such an accident. Regardless what you decide, it could lead to a sequence of events, which might harm or kill people.

If a decision you are making is good or bad is hard to say and the opinion about it can change in the future as well. I realized that when I was watching "sliding doors", a comedy movie where the timelines split and you see both variants. If you watch this, you will feel, that the idea of "good" and "bad" is not an absolute. Like killing people for example - is that a bad thing?- It might not, if you think of killing a terrorist and hinder him this way to go on with further mass murdering. It's all relative.

There simply is no absolute "bad" or "good" - it is always relative to the situation and the people involved in it. And like I pointed out, not making a decision can harm people as well. As an adult you have to deal with it. So if you decide in a game like this, that someone has to die, so be it. You don't know what this guy might do, which might harm people, if you let him live. There is no reason to think, that letting him live is a good decision, it might not be a good one, seen from the future.

An example in history - an english soldier hat the opportunity to kill *** in WW1, but he let him go, expecting this to be a good decision to show mercy. But in the end this turned out to be a horrible decision, because it caused millions to die.

Edit: well this is just stupid, to *** out a historical figure .- but I guess you all know whom I meant.

maybe that that english person was exist cuz somewhere in the world an ant moved a sand... and started millions of chain events. Its a deterministic way of thinking if you calculate every possible action you can predict future with %100 precision but quatum mechanics killed determisinm cuz according to quantum laws anything can be happen randomly. So in the end just do what you believe is right.

This is not quite correct. The universe is deterministic, what does not mean it would be predictable, it is not due to chaos. Chaos is not a random thing, it is "deterministic chaos", people just commonly use it in it's short term "chaos", but it is deterministic and a feature of some iterative functions, to be very sensitive to certain input parameters, which makes the outcome at some point unpredictable - a very simple example of it is the "logistic map", just look it up on wiki.

Julianos · January 2016

Lysette wrote: »

Axorn wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

We all make decisions about possible life and death of others in real life without to recognize it. We use cars for example and take into account, that at some point we could be involved in an accident, which ultimately leads to a sequence of events which might harm or kill people. Not using a car on this day might as well have a similar effect, because due to me not driving, someone else might not be delayed by my presence and get earlier to a location, where he will be involved in such an accident. Regardless what you decide, it could lead to a sequence of events, which might harm or kill people.

If a decision you are making is good or bad is hard to say and the opinion about it can change in the future as well. I realized that when I was watching "sliding doors", a comedy movie where the timelines split and you see both variants. If you watch this, you will feel, that the idea of "good" and "bad" is not an absolute. Like killing people for example - is that a bad thing?- It might not, if you think of killing a terrorist and hinder him this way to go on with further mass murdering. It's all relative.

There simply is no absolute "bad" or "good" - it is always relative to the situation and the people involved in it. And like I pointed out, not making a decision can harm people as well. As an adult you have to deal with it. So if you decide in a game like this, that someone has to die, so be it. You don't know what this guy might do, which might harm people, if you let him live. There is no reason to think, that letting him live is a good decision, it might not be a good one, seen from the future.

An example in history - an english soldier hat the opportunity to kill *** in WW1, but he let him go, expecting this to be a good decision to show mercy. But in the end this turned out to be a horrible decision, because it caused millions to die.

Edit: well this is just stupid, to *** out a historical figure .- but I guess you all know whom I meant.

maybe that that english person was exist cuz somewhere in the world an ant moved a sand... and started millions of chain events. Its a deterministic way of thinking if you calculate every possible action you can predict future with %100 precision but quatum mechanics killed determisinm cuz according to quantum laws anything can be happen randomly. So in the end just do what you believe is right.

This is not quite correct. The universe is deterministic, what does not mean it would be predictable, it is not due to chaos. Chaos is not a random thing, it is "deterministic chaos", people just commonly use it in it's short term "chaos", but it is deterministic and a feature of some iterative functions, to be very sensitive to certain input parameters, which makes the outcome at some point unpredictable - a very simple example of it is the "logistic map", just look it up on wiki.

people call it "chaos" cuz they cant calculate every posbility also they dont know the starter action. we only calculate very small pieces but rest is chaotic for us .

And i dont believe universe is deterministic.

Lysette · January 2016

Axorn wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Axorn wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

We all make decisions about possible life and death of others in real life without to recognize it. We use cars for example and take into account, that at some point we could be involved in an accident, which ultimately leads to a sequence of events which might harm or kill people. Not using a car on this day might as well have a similar effect, because due to me not driving, someone else might not be delayed by my presence and get earlier to a location, where he will be involved in such an accident. Regardless what you decide, it could lead to a sequence of events, which might harm or kill people.

If a decision you are making is good or bad is hard to say and the opinion about it can change in the future as well. I realized that when I was watching "sliding doors", a comedy movie where the timelines split and you see both variants. If you watch this, you will feel, that the idea of "good" and "bad" is not an absolute. Like killing people for example - is that a bad thing?- It might not, if you think of killing a terrorist and hinder him this way to go on with further mass murdering. It's all relative.

There simply is no absolute "bad" or "good" - it is always relative to the situation and the people involved in it. And like I pointed out, not making a decision can harm people as well. As an adult you have to deal with it. So if you decide in a game like this, that someone has to die, so be it. You don't know what this guy might do, which might harm people, if you let him live. There is no reason to think, that letting him live is a good decision, it might not be a good one, seen from the future.

An example in history - an english soldier hat the opportunity to kill *** in WW1, but he let him go, expecting this to be a good decision to show mercy. But in the end this turned out to be a horrible decision, because it caused millions to die.

Edit: well this is just stupid, to *** out a historical figure .- but I guess you all know whom I meant.

maybe that that english person was exist cuz somewhere in the world an ant moved a sand... and started millions of chain events. Its a deterministic way of thinking if you calculate every possible action you can predict future with %100 precision but quatum mechanics killed determisinm cuz according to quantum laws anything can be happen randomly. So in the end just do what you believe is right.

This is not quite correct. The universe is deterministic, what does not mean it would be predictable, it is not due to chaos. Chaos is not a random thing, it is "deterministic chaos", people just commonly use it in it's short term "chaos", but it is deterministic and a feature of some iterative functions, to be very sensitive to certain input parameters, which makes the outcome at some point unpredictable - a very simple example of it is the "logistic map", just look it up on wiki.

people call it "chaos" cuz they cant calculate every posbility also they dont know the starter action. we only calculate very small pieces but rest is chaotic for us .

Yes, most people believe as well in randomness, but there is no evidence for anything in the universe to be random at all.

Julianos · January 2016

Lysette wrote: »

Axorn wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Axorn wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

We all make decisions about possible life and death of others in real life without to recognize it. We use cars for example and take into account, that at some point we could be involved in an accident, which ultimately leads to a sequence of events which might harm or kill people. Not using a car on this day might as well have a similar effect, because due to me not driving, someone else might not be delayed by my presence and get earlier to a location, where he will be involved in such an accident. Regardless what you decide, it could lead to a sequence of events, which might harm or kill people.

If a decision you are making is good or bad is hard to say and the opinion about it can change in the future as well. I realized that when I was watching "sliding doors", a comedy movie where the timelines split and you see both variants. If you watch this, you will feel, that the idea of "good" and "bad" is not an absolute. Like killing people for example - is that a bad thing?- It might not, if you think of killing a terrorist and hinder him this way to go on with further mass murdering. It's all relative.

There simply is no absolute "bad" or "good" - it is always relative to the situation and the people involved in it. And like I pointed out, not making a decision can harm people as well. As an adult you have to deal with it. So if you decide in a game like this, that someone has to die, so be it. You don't know what this guy might do, which might harm people, if you let him live. There is no reason to think, that letting him live is a good decision, it might not be a good one, seen from the future.

An example in history - an english soldier hat the opportunity to kill *** in WW1, but he let him go, expecting this to be a good decision to show mercy. But in the end this turned out to be a horrible decision, because it caused millions to die.

Edit: well this is just stupid, to *** out a historical figure .- but I guess you all know whom I meant.

maybe that that english person was exist cuz somewhere in the world an ant moved a sand... and started millions of chain events. Its a deterministic way of thinking if you calculate every possible action you can predict future with %100 precision but quatum mechanics killed determisinm cuz according to quantum laws anything can be happen randomly. So in the end just do what you believe is right.

This is not quite correct. The universe is deterministic, what does not mean it would be predictable, it is not due to chaos. Chaos is not a random thing, it is "deterministic chaos", people just commonly use it in it's short term "chaos", but it is deterministic and a feature of some iterative functions, to be very sensitive to certain input parameters, which makes the outcome at some point unpredictable - a very simple example of it is the "logistic map", just look it up on wiki.

people call it "chaos" cuz they cant calculate every posbility also they dont know the starter action. we only calculate very small pieces but rest is chaotic for us .

Yes, most people believe as well in randomness, but there is no evidence for anything in the universe to be random at all.

Quantum physcists says sub atomic particals like quarks moves random.

Lysette · January 2016

Axorn wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Axorn wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

We all make decisions about possible life and death of others in real life without to recognize it. We use cars for example and take into account, that at some point we could be involved in an accident, which ultimately leads to a sequence of events which might harm or kill people. Not using a car on this day might as well have a similar effect, because due to me not driving, someone else might not be delayed by my presence and get earlier to a location, where he will be involved in such an accident. Regardless what you decide, it could lead to a sequence of events, which might harm or kill people.

If a decision you are making is good or bad is hard to say and the opinion about it can change in the future as well. I realized that when I was watching "sliding doors", a comedy movie where the timelines split and you see both variants. If you watch this, you will feel, that the idea of "good" and "bad" is not an absolute. Like killing people for example - is that a bad thing?- It might not, if you think of killing a terrorist and hinder him this way to go on with further mass murdering. It's all relative.

There simply is no absolute "bad" or "good" - it is always relative to the situation and the people involved in it. And like I pointed out, not making a decision can harm people as well. As an adult you have to deal with it. So if you decide in a game like this, that someone has to die, so be it. You don't know what this guy might do, which might harm people, if you let him live. There is no reason to think, that letting him live is a good decision, it might not be a good one, seen from the future.

An example in history - an english soldier hat the opportunity to kill *** in WW1, but he let him go, expecting this to be a good decision to show mercy. But in the end this turned out to be a horrible decision, because it caused millions to die.

Edit: well this is just stupid, to *** out a historical figure .- but I guess you all know whom I meant.

maybe that that english person was exist cuz somewhere in the world an ant moved a sand... and started millions of chain events. Its a deterministic way of thinking if you calculate every possible action you can predict future with %100 precision but quatum mechanics killed determisinm cuz according to quantum laws anything can be happen randomly. So in the end just do what you believe is right.

This is not quite correct. The universe is deterministic, what does not mean it would be predictable, it is not due to chaos. Chaos is not a random thing, it is "deterministic chaos", people just commonly use it in it's short term "chaos", but it is deterministic and a feature of some iterative functions, to be very sensitive to certain input parameters, which makes the outcome at some point unpredictable - a very simple example of it is the "logistic map", just look it up on wiki.

people call it "chaos" cuz they cant calculate every posbility also they dont know the starter action. we only calculate very small pieces but rest is chaotic for us .

And i dont believe universe is deterministic.

You are of course free to believe what you want, but this does not change the facts. .-)

Julianos · January 2016

So according to determinism our free will wont make any diffrence and everything already set to 1 outcome. I dont believe that

Lysette · January 2016

Axorn wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Axorn wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Axorn wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

We all make decisions about possible life and death of others in real life without to recognize it. We use cars for example and take into account, that at some point we could be involved in an accident, which ultimately leads to a sequence of events which might harm or kill people. Not using a car on this day might as well have a similar effect, because due to me not driving, someone else might not be delayed by my presence and get earlier to a location, where he will be involved in such an accident. Regardless what you decide, it could lead to a sequence of events, which might harm or kill people.

If a decision you are making is good or bad is hard to say and the opinion about it can change in the future as well. I realized that when I was watching "sliding doors", a comedy movie where the timelines split and you see both variants. If you watch this, you will feel, that the idea of "good" and "bad" is not an absolute. Like killing people for example - is that a bad thing?- It might not, if you think of killing a terrorist and hinder him this way to go on with further mass murdering. It's all relative.

There simply is no absolute "bad" or "good" - it is always relative to the situation and the people involved in it. And like I pointed out, not making a decision can harm people as well. As an adult you have to deal with it. So if you decide in a game like this, that someone has to die, so be it. You don't know what this guy might do, which might harm people, if you let him live. There is no reason to think, that letting him live is a good decision, it might not be a good one, seen from the future.

An example in history - an english soldier hat the opportunity to kill *** in WW1, but he let him go, expecting this to be a good decision to show mercy. But in the end this turned out to be a horrible decision, because it caused millions to die.

Edit: well this is just stupid, to *** out a historical figure .- but I guess you all know whom I meant.

maybe that that english person was exist cuz somewhere in the world an ant moved a sand... and started millions of chain events. Its a deterministic way of thinking if you calculate every possible action you can predict future with %100 precision but quatum mechanics killed determisinm cuz according to quantum laws anything can be happen randomly. So in the end just do what you believe is right.

This is not quite correct. The universe is deterministic, what does not mean it would be predictable, it is not due to chaos. Chaos is not a random thing, it is "deterministic chaos", people just commonly use it in it's short term "chaos", but it is deterministic and a feature of some iterative functions, to be very sensitive to certain input parameters, which makes the outcome at some point unpredictable - a very simple example of it is the "logistic map", just look it up on wiki.

people call it "chaos" cuz they cant calculate every posbility also they dont know the starter action. we only calculate very small pieces but rest is chaotic for us .

Yes, most people believe as well in randomness, but there is no evidence for anything in the universe to be random at all.

Quantum physcists says sub atomic particals like quarks moves random.

A daring statement, and how do they want to give proof for that?- there is no way to see or observe quantum foam. If they use a term like "random" this does not mean they would mean true randomness, there is no evidence for anything like true randomness yet. So there is no reason to believe there would be randomness. No evidence, then it is just a belief and worth nothing in scientific context.

Julianos · January 2016

Lysette wrote: »

Axorn wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Axorn wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Axorn wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

We all make decisions about possible life and death of others in real life without to recognize it. We use cars for example and take into account, that at some point we could be involved in an accident, which ultimately leads to a sequence of events which might harm or kill people. Not using a car on this day might as well have a similar effect, because due to me not driving, someone else might not be delayed by my presence and get earlier to a location, where he will be involved in such an accident. Regardless what you decide, it could lead to a sequence of events, which might harm or kill people.

If a decision you are making is good or bad is hard to say and the opinion about it can change in the future as well. I realized that when I was watching "sliding doors", a comedy movie where the timelines split and you see both variants. If you watch this, you will feel, that the idea of "good" and "bad" is not an absolute. Like killing people for example - is that a bad thing?- It might not, if you think of killing a terrorist and hinder him this way to go on with further mass murdering. It's all relative.

There simply is no absolute "bad" or "good" - it is always relative to the situation and the people involved in it. And like I pointed out, not making a decision can harm people as well. As an adult you have to deal with it. So if you decide in a game like this, that someone has to die, so be it. You don't know what this guy might do, which might harm people, if you let him live. There is no reason to think, that letting him live is a good decision, it might not be a good one, seen from the future.

An example in history - an english soldier hat the opportunity to kill *** in WW1, but he let him go, expecting this to be a good decision to show mercy. But in the end this turned out to be a horrible decision, because it caused millions to die.

Edit: well this is just stupid, to *** out a historical figure .- but I guess you all know whom I meant.

maybe that that english person was exist cuz somewhere in the world an ant moved a sand... and started millions of chain events. Its a deterministic way of thinking if you calculate every possible action you can predict future with %100 precision but quatum mechanics killed determisinm cuz according to quantum laws anything can be happen randomly. So in the end just do what you believe is right.

This is not quite correct. The universe is deterministic, what does not mean it would be predictable, it is not due to chaos. Chaos is not a random thing, it is "deterministic chaos", people just commonly use it in it's short term "chaos", but it is deterministic and a feature of some iterative functions, to be very sensitive to certain input parameters, which makes the outcome at some point unpredictable - a very simple example of it is the "logistic map", just look it up on wiki.

people call it "chaos" cuz they cant calculate every posbility also they dont know the starter action. we only calculate very small pieces but rest is chaotic for us .

Yes, most people believe as well in randomness, but there is no evidence for anything in the universe to be random at all.

Quantum physcists says sub atomic particals like quarks moves random.

A daring statement, and how do they want to give proof for that?- there is no way to see or observe quantum foam. If they use a term like "random" this does not mean they would mean true randomness, there is no evidence for anything like true randomness yet. So there is no reason to believe there would be randomness. No evidence, then it is just a belief and worth nothing in scientific context.

If you think like that then there is no true evidence about a starter/trigger event.

PBpsy · January 2016

Lysette wrote: »

Axorn wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

We all make decisions about possible life and death of others in real life without to recognize it. We use cars for example and take into account, that at some point we could be involved in an accident, which ultimately leads to a sequence of events which might harm or kill people. Not using a car on this day might as well have a similar effect, because due to me not driving, someone else might not be delayed by my presence and get earlier to a location, where he will be involved in such an accident. Regardless what you decide, it could lead to a sequence of events, which might harm or kill people.

If a decision you are making is good or bad is hard to say and the opinion about it can change in the future as well. I realized that when I was watching "sliding doors", a comedy movie where the timelines split and you see both variants. If you watch this, you will feel, that the idea of "good" and "bad" is not an absolute. Like killing people for example - is that a bad thing?- It might not, if you think of killing a terrorist and hinder him this way to go on with further mass murdering. It's all relative.

There simply is no absolute "bad" or "good" - it is always relative to the situation and the people involved in it. And like I pointed out, not making a decision can harm people as well. As an adult you have to deal with it. So if you decide in a game like this, that someone has to die, so be it. You don't know what this guy might do, which might harm people, if you let him live. There is no reason to think, that letting him live is a good decision, it might not be a good one, seen from the future.

An example in history - an english soldier hat the opportunity to kill *** in WW1, but he let him go, expecting this to be a good decision to show mercy. But in the end this turned out to be a horrible decision, because it caused millions to die.

Edit: well this is just stupid, to *** out a historical figure .- but I guess you all know whom I meant.

maybe that that english person was exist cuz somewhere in the world an ant moved a sand... and started millions of chain events. Its a deterministic way of thinking if you calculate every possible action you can predict future with %100 precision but quatum mechanics killed determisinm cuz according to quantum laws anything can be happen randomly. So in the end just do what you believe is right.

This is not quite correct. The universe is deterministic, what does not mean it would be predictable, it is not due to chaos. Chaos is not a random thing, it is "deterministic chaos", people just commonly use it in it's short term "chaos", but it is deterministic and a feature of some iterative functions, to be very sensitive to certain input parameters, which makes the outcome at some point unpredictable - a very simple example of it is the "logistic map", just look it up on wiki.

Although the previous post is an absolutely nonsensical perversion of QM that statement is way to strong. The physical/metaphysical debated on the actual deterministic/non deterministic nature of the universe is ongoing,complex,multifaceted dependent on interpretations and very far away from being settled. I would just reduce that statement to evolution of states.

Lysette wrote: »

Axorn wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Axorn wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Axorn wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

We all make decisions about possible life and death of others in real life without to recognize it. We use cars for example and take into account, that at some point we could be involved in an accident, which ultimately leads to a sequence of events which might harm or kill people. Not using a car on this day might as well have a similar effect, because due to me not driving, someone else might not be delayed by my presence and get earlier to a location, where he will be involved in such an accident. Regardless what you decide, it could lead to a sequence of events, which might harm or kill people.

If a decision you are making is good or bad is hard to say and the opinion about it can change in the future as well. I realized that when I was watching "sliding doors", a comedy movie where the timelines split and you see both variants. If you watch this, you will feel, that the idea of "good" and "bad" is not an absolute. Like killing people for example - is that a bad thing?- It might not, if you think of killing a terrorist and hinder him this way to go on with further mass murdering. It's all relative.

There simply is no absolute "bad" or "good" - it is always relative to the situation and the people involved in it. And like I pointed out, not making a decision can harm people as well. As an adult you have to deal with it. So if you decide in a game like this, that someone has to die, so be it. You don't know what this guy might do, which might harm people, if you let him live. There is no reason to think, that letting him live is a good decision, it might not be a good one, seen from the future.

An example in history - an english soldier hat the opportunity to kill *** in WW1, but he let him go, expecting this to be a good decision to show mercy. But in the end this turned out to be a horrible decision, because it caused millions to die.

Edit: well this is just stupid, to *** out a historical figure .- but I guess you all know whom I meant.

maybe that that english person was exist cuz somewhere in the world an ant moved a sand... and started millions of chain events. Its a deterministic way of thinking if you calculate every possible action you can predict future with %100 precision but quatum mechanics killed determisinm cuz according to quantum laws anything can be happen randomly. So in the end just do what you believe is right.

This is not quite correct. The universe is deterministic, what does not mean it would be predictable, it is not due to chaos. Chaos is not a random thing, it is "deterministic chaos", people just commonly use it in it's short term "chaos", but it is deterministic and a feature of some iterative functions, to be very sensitive to certain input parameters, which makes the outcome at some point unpredictable - a very simple example of it is the "logistic map", just look it up on wiki.

people call it "chaos" cuz they cant calculate every posbility also they dont know the starter action. we only calculate very small pieces but rest is chaotic for us .

Yes, most people believe as well in randomness, but there is no evidence for anything in the universe to be random at all.

Quantum physcists says sub atomic particals like quarks moves random.

A daring statement, and how do they want to give proof for that?- there is no way to see or observe quantum foam. If they use a term like "random" this does not mean they would mean true randomness, there is no evidence for anything like true randomness yet. So there is no reason to believe there would be randomness. No evidence, then it is just a belief and worth nothing in scientific context.

They don't actually say that. QM has very little to do with randomness and Chaos is not even a well defined concept in that framework being mostly a classical phenomena.

Lysette · January 2016

Axorn wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Axorn wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Axorn wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Axorn wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

We all make decisions about possible life and death of others in real life without to recognize it. We use cars for example and take into account, that at some point we could be involved in an accident, which ultimately leads to a sequence of events which might harm or kill people. Not using a car on this day might as well have a similar effect, because due to me not driving, someone else might not be delayed by my presence and get earlier to a location, where he will be involved in such an accident. Regardless what you decide, it could lead to a sequence of events, which might harm or kill people.

If a decision you are making is good or bad is hard to say and the opinion about it can change in the future as well. I realized that when I was watching "sliding doors", a comedy movie where the timelines split and you see both variants. If you watch this, you will feel, that the idea of "good" and "bad" is not an absolute. Like killing people for example - is that a bad thing?- It might not, if you think of killing a terrorist and hinder him this way to go on with further mass murdering. It's all relative.

There simply is no absolute "bad" or "good" - it is always relative to the situation and the people involved in it. And like I pointed out, not making a decision can harm people as well. As an adult you have to deal with it. So if you decide in a game like this, that someone has to die, so be it. You don't know what this guy might do, which might harm people, if you let him live. There is no reason to think, that letting him live is a good decision, it might not be a good one, seen from the future.

An example in history - an english soldier hat the opportunity to kill *** in WW1, but he let him go, expecting this to be a good decision to show mercy. But in the end this turned out to be a horrible decision, because it caused millions to die.

Edit: well this is just stupid, to *** out a historical figure .- but I guess you all know whom I meant.

maybe that that english person was exist cuz somewhere in the world an ant moved a sand... and started millions of chain events. Its a deterministic way of thinking if you calculate every possible action you can predict future with %100 precision but quatum mechanics killed determisinm cuz according to quantum laws anything can be happen randomly. So in the end just do what you believe is right.

This is not quite correct. The universe is deterministic, what does not mean it would be predictable, it is not due to chaos. Chaos is not a random thing, it is "deterministic chaos", people just commonly use it in it's short term "chaos", but it is deterministic and a feature of some iterative functions, to be very sensitive to certain input parameters, which makes the outcome at some point unpredictable - a very simple example of it is the "logistic map", just look it up on wiki.

people call it "chaos" cuz they cant calculate every posbility also they dont know the starter action. we only calculate very small pieces but rest is chaotic for us .

Yes, most people believe as well in randomness, but there is no evidence for anything in the universe to be random at all.

Quantum physcists says sub atomic particals like quarks moves random.

A daring statement, and how do they want to give proof for that?- there is no way to see or observe quantum foam. If they use a term like "random" this does not mean they would mean true randomness, there is no evidence for anything like true randomness yet. So there is no reason to believe there would be randomness. No evidence, then it is just a belief and worth nothing in scientific context.

If you think like that then there is no true evidence about a starter/trigger event.

There is, the motion of the galaxies points to an initial event, where all was in a tiny spot. Then there is the expansion of the unvierse, which is still ongoing and even accelerating - this is evidence, it can be shown. Evidence is not proof though, it is just something what points to it, this does not mean it had to be this way, just that there is some evidence, which makes it likely to be that way.

Lysette · January 2016

PBpsy wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Axorn wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

We all make decisions about possible life and death of others in real life without to recognize it. We use cars for example and take into account, that at some point we could be involved in an accident, which ultimately leads to a sequence of events which might harm or kill people. Not using a car on this day might as well have a similar effect, because due to me not driving, someone else might not be delayed by my presence and get earlier to a location, where he will be involved in such an accident. Regardless what you decide, it could lead to a sequence of events, which might harm or kill people.

If a decision you are making is good or bad is hard to say and the opinion about it can change in the future as well. I realized that when I was watching "sliding doors", a comedy movie where the timelines split and you see both variants. If you watch this, you will feel, that the idea of "good" and "bad" is not an absolute. Like killing people for example - is that a bad thing?- It might not, if you think of killing a terrorist and hinder him this way to go on with further mass murdering. It's all relative.

There simply is no absolute "bad" or "good" - it is always relative to the situation and the people involved in it. And like I pointed out, not making a decision can harm people as well. As an adult you have to deal with it. So if you decide in a game like this, that someone has to die, so be it. You don't know what this guy might do, which might harm people, if you let him live. There is no reason to think, that letting him live is a good decision, it might not be a good one, seen from the future.

An example in history - an english soldier hat the opportunity to kill *** in WW1, but he let him go, expecting this to be a good decision to show mercy. But in the end this turned out to be a horrible decision, because it caused millions to die.

Edit: well this is just stupid, to *** out a historical figure .- but I guess you all know whom I meant.

maybe that that english person was exist cuz somewhere in the world an ant moved a sand... and started millions of chain events. Its a deterministic way of thinking if you calculate every possible action you can predict future with %100 precision but quatum mechanics killed determisinm cuz according to quantum laws anything can be happen randomly. So in the end just do what you believe is right.

This is not quite correct. The universe is deterministic, what does not mean it would be predictable, it is not due to chaos. Chaos is not a random thing, it is "deterministic chaos", people just commonly use it in it's short term "chaos", but it is deterministic and a feature of some iterative functions, to be very sensitive to certain input parameters, which makes the outcome at some point unpredictable - a very simple example of it is the "logistic map", just look it up on wiki.

Although the previous post is an absolutely nonsensical perversion of QM that statement is way to strong. The physical/metaphysical debated on the actual deterministic/non deterministic nature of the universe is ongoing,complex,multifaceted dependent on interpretations and very far away from being settled. I would just reduce that statement to evolution of states.

Lysette wrote: »

Axorn wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Axorn wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Axorn wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

We all make decisions about possible life and death of others in real life without to recognize it. We use cars for example and take into account, that at some point we could be involved in an accident, which ultimately leads to a sequence of events which might harm or kill people. Not using a car on this day might as well have a similar effect, because due to me not driving, someone else might not be delayed by my presence and get earlier to a location, where he will be involved in such an accident. Regardless what you decide, it could lead to a sequence of events, which might harm or kill people.

If a decision you are making is good or bad is hard to say and the opinion about it can change in the future as well. I realized that when I was watching "sliding doors", a comedy movie where the timelines split and you see both variants. If you watch this, you will feel, that the idea of "good" and "bad" is not an absolute. Like killing people for example - is that a bad thing?- It might not, if you think of killing a terrorist and hinder him this way to go on with further mass murdering. It's all relative.

There simply is no absolute "bad" or "good" - it is always relative to the situation and the people involved in it. And like I pointed out, not making a decision can harm people as well. As an adult you have to deal with it. So if you decide in a game like this, that someone has to die, so be it. You don't know what this guy might do, which might harm people, if you let him live. There is no reason to think, that letting him live is a good decision, it might not be a good one, seen from the future.

An example in history - an english soldier hat the opportunity to kill *** in WW1, but he let him go, expecting this to be a good decision to show mercy. But in the end this turned out to be a horrible decision, because it caused millions to die.

Edit: well this is just stupid, to *** out a historical figure .- but I guess you all know whom I meant.

maybe that that english person was exist cuz somewhere in the world an ant moved a sand... and started millions of chain events. Its a deterministic way of thinking if you calculate every possible action you can predict future with %100 precision but quatum mechanics killed determisinm cuz according to quantum laws anything can be happen randomly. So in the end just do what you believe is right.

This is not quite correct. The universe is deterministic, what does not mean it would be predictable, it is not due to chaos. Chaos is not a random thing, it is "deterministic chaos", people just commonly use it in it's short term "chaos", but it is deterministic and a feature of some iterative functions, to be very sensitive to certain input parameters, which makes the outcome at some point unpredictable - a very simple example of it is the "logistic map", just look it up on wiki.

people call it "chaos" cuz they cant calculate every posbility also they dont know the starter action. we only calculate very small pieces but rest is chaotic for us .

Yes, most people believe as well in randomness, but there is no evidence for anything in the universe to be random at all.

Quantum physcists says sub atomic particals like quarks moves random.

A daring statement, and how do they want to give proof for that?- there is no way to see or observe quantum foam. If they use a term like "random" this does not mean they would mean true randomness, there is no evidence for anything like true randomness yet. So there is no reason to believe there would be randomness. No evidence, then it is just a belief and worth nothing in scientific context.

They don't actually say that.

I know, I am not the one who claimed they would though .-)

anitajoneb17_ESO · January 2016

It is not "shocking" but it sometimes a little bit inconsistent.

As far as I know, ZOS tried to make ESO PG12 rated while developing it, and they were disappointed when it finally was PG16 (and later PG18). All other TES game were developed with the PG18/mature content, in mind, therefore the artistic choices were in accordance with the grey-ish, dark, racist, violent universe of the Elder Scrolls games. In ESO, they tried to put something "very clean" in this "unclean" environment, and that's, imho, the reason why it sometimes "clashes" and feels disturbing, or at least out of place.

In Witcher 3, everything is consistent. It is very violent, both in story and pictures, and some choices are REALLY harsh.

In order to reach the "best" ending at a political level, you MUST betray a very loyal friend who, incidentally, just saved your life 2 minutes ago... that's a hard one...

. But it is never really shocking, because it's never out of place, silly or meaningless. It "fits".

As to the trash talk and the thread title that's been moderated (and I approve of this) : Maturity is not about the freedom to talk and behave just the way you please no matter where and with whom. It's about knowing when to and when not to and not put one's ego into it. Trash talking is not enough to make the talk "cool", "clever" or "funny". And cool, clever or funny talk doesn't necessarily have to include trash. In the end, it all comes down to things being intelligently done - or plain silly. That thread title was just silly.

WalkingLegacy · January 2016

You know OP,

I wish there was an option to punish murders that we get to hand the law down to for murder, mass murder etc and give them life in prison.

Then we also get a tax on our gold income that supports those we send there with food, healthcare, entertainment etc.

That way, those such as yourself that can't handle the "adult themes" can just elect to keep them alive.

Julianos · January 2016

Lysette wrote: »

Axorn wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Axorn wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Axorn wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Axorn wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

We all make decisions about possible life and death of others in real life without to recognize it. We use cars for example and take into account, that at some point we could be involved in an accident, which ultimately leads to a sequence of events which might harm or kill people. Not using a car on this day might as well have a similar effect, because due to me not driving, someone else might not be delayed by my presence and get earlier to a location, where he will be involved in such an accident. Regardless what you decide, it could lead to a sequence of events, which might harm or kill people.

If a decision you are making is good or bad is hard to say and the opinion about it can change in the future as well. I realized that when I was watching "sliding doors", a comedy movie where the timelines split and you see both variants. If you watch this, you will feel, that the idea of "good" and "bad" is not an absolute. Like killing people for example - is that a bad thing?- It might not, if you think of killing a terrorist and hinder him this way to go on with further mass murdering. It's all relative.

There simply is no absolute "bad" or "good" - it is always relative to the situation and the people involved in it. And like I pointed out, not making a decision can harm people as well. As an adult you have to deal with it. So if you decide in a game like this, that someone has to die, so be it. You don't know what this guy might do, which might harm people, if you let him live. There is no reason to think, that letting him live is a good decision, it might not be a good one, seen from the future.

An example in history - an english soldier hat the opportunity to kill *** in WW1, but he let him go, expecting this to be a good decision to show mercy. But in the end this turned out to be a horrible decision, because it caused millions to die.

Edit: well this is just stupid, to *** out a historical figure .- but I guess you all know whom I meant.

maybe that that english person was exist cuz somewhere in the world an ant moved a sand... and started millions of chain events. Its a deterministic way of thinking if you calculate every possible action you can predict future with %100 precision but quatum mechanics killed determisinm cuz according to quantum laws anything can be happen randomly. So in the end just do what you believe is right.

This is not quite correct. The universe is deterministic, what does not mean it would be predictable, it is not due to chaos. Chaos is not a random thing, it is "deterministic chaos", people just commonly use it in it's short term "chaos", but it is deterministic and a feature of some iterative functions, to be very sensitive to certain input parameters, which makes the outcome at some point unpredictable - a very simple example of it is the "logistic map", just look it up on wiki.

people call it "chaos" cuz they cant calculate every posbility also they dont know the starter action. we only calculate very small pieces but rest is chaotic for us .

Yes, most people believe as well in randomness, but there is no evidence for anything in the universe to be random at all.

Quantum physcists says sub atomic particals like quarks moves random.

A daring statement, and how do they want to give proof for that?- there is no way to see or observe quantum foam. If they use a term like "random" this does not mean they would mean true randomness, there is no evidence for anything like true randomness yet. So there is no reason to believe there would be randomness. No evidence, then it is just a belief and worth nothing in scientific context.

If you think like that then there is no true evidence about a starter/trigger event.

There is, the motion of the galaxies points to an initial event, where all was in a tiny spot. Then there is the expansion of the unvierse, which is still ongoing and even accelerating - this is evidence, it can be shown. Evidence is not proof though, it is just something what points to it, this does not mean it had to be this way, just that there is some evidence, which makes it likely to be that way.

Yes but what caused to that tiny spot did it exist out of nothing ? What made it expand ? We dont know.