Why banned for buying and selling nirn?

Egonieser · January 2016

Most likely case is he used his position and large amounts of gold to sell it on black market gold seller website or to certain individuals.
I find it hard to believe manipulating the market within the game without the use of 3rd parties is a bannable offense in any way even if he did collaborate with other players or guilds - it's still not a offense, it's smart play and good persuasive ability. None which are illegal AFAIK.

External sources must be in play here, that is the only thing I can think of that makes sense for a ban such as this.

Unsent.Soul · January 2016

Decayed_Inside wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Decayed_Inside wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

If he's the guy responsible for all Nirn weapons being sold for 26K in every guild in the game I find it hard to pity him.

He doesn't need your pity because he's got your gold.

Yeah, and he can spend our gold on nice things. Oh wait, he can't. His account was suspended. Oooooooooh!

If they suspended the account for that they can suspend mine too. Because it's not against the rules

Seriously? You have no idea about the situation other than OP stating "my friend was banned for monopolising nirn" and you go apeshit?

Learn the facts, not just the rumors.... you'll end up looking more educated and less ignorant.

RAGUNAnoOne · January 2016

gw2only1b14_ESO wrote: »

I find it funny the guy who ran up the prices on the Tempering Alloy i mean almost 8k each.....geeze got 4 from 200 ores last night .

That guy must be on the hit list next

only 8K you lucky SOB!

TERMINAT0R_XVII · January 2016

Dagoth_Rac wrote: »

There is almost certainly more to the story than this. ZOS likely have proof of collusion between players or guilds to limit supply or not compete. Those are violations of free market principles and thus likely violations of the Terms of Service.

^ this

Decayed_Inside · January 2016

Unsent.Soul wrote: »

Decayed_Inside wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Decayed_Inside wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

If he's the guy responsible for all Nirn weapons being sold for 26K in every guild in the game I find it hard to pity him.

He doesn't need your pity because he's got your gold.

Yeah, and he can spend our gold on nice things. Oh wait, he can't. His account was suspended. Oooooooooh!

If they suspended the account for that they can suspend mine too. Because it's not against the rules

Seriously? You have no idea about the situation other than OP stating "my friend was banned for monopolising nirn" and you go apeshit?

Learn the facts, not just the rumors.... you'll end up looking more educated and less ignorant.

No one went apeshit you pleb. I was sipping coffee and eating a strudel. Let's go pvp i'll show you apeshit

Makkir · January 2016

He was likely selling gold. Really is no other reason.

CapnPhoton · January 2016

There probably is more to this story...

UrQuan · January 2016

Was it this guy?

Ezareth · January 2016

Decayed_Inside wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

If he's the guy responsible for all Nirn weapons being sold for 26K in every guild in the game I find it hard to pity him.

He broke no rules even if he is. He doesn't need your pity because he's got your gold.

Actually considering he's likely the guy who bought my Nirncrux in order to keep his monopoly in tact, I have *his* gold, and more than I would have had otherwise.

I wonder how much good all that gold is doing for him now anyways?

robkrush wrote: »

pronkg wrote: »

Maybe there's more to it

Ya think!?!?!?!

There is unlimited nirn. You can't control the market. You would have a hard time even affecting it.

Actually this used to be true but is no longer due to the fact crafting writs were moved to wrothgar, Nirncrux production was drastically reduced yet the demand is as strong as ever since it is still used in BiS destro staves as well as needed for research. It's a good (if shady) strategy that is likely making him heaps of gold (or was).

Tandor · January 2016

Aren't we being constantly told that market manipulation can only happen with an auction house?

Decayed_Inside · January 2016

Wah my prices are too high. L2Farm

Ezareth · January 2016

Tandor wrote: »

Aren't we being constantly told that market manipulation can only happen with an auction house?

The number of reputable trade guilds has rapidly been shrinking in numbers and sales and the prime spots are all that will sell rare and expensive commodities so it is easy (with enough bank roll) to perform manipulation on certain extremely rare items.

There are many items I see this happening to all over. Xivkin Motif legs for instance is one.

AFrostWolf · January 2016

Good riddance.

Sheezabeast · January 2016

Not enough info to jump to any conclusions. Not sure why this board is here.

wayfarerx · January 2016

UrQuan wrote: »

Was it this guy?

That guy is the worst.

Makkir · January 2016

Isn't this kind of the traders version of vma (hard content)?

Playing the market seems like a viable tactic unless he was using 3rd party software to buy up items as they are listed. It might be shady and frowned upon, but I honestly don't see anything wrong with this. Anyone can go to Craglorn and farm these nodes.

That's why I don't buy it that he was banned for stated reason. Being realistic here, most people farm gold for one sole purpose...to sell it RMT.

SirAndy · January 2016

pronkg wrote: »

Maybe there's more to it

Ya'think?

SirDopey · January 2016

I have my doubts but I seriously hope this is true, given the absurd market manipulation that's been occurring recently with the outrageous inflation the game is experiencing something needed to be done.....

Arkadius · January 2016

BreacaT wrote: »

Could someone throw some light on why a fellow guildmaster might have his account suspended for 'monopolising the trade of nirn' ?

WTF?

Certainly not the true reason.

Conquistador · January 2016

Your friend was probably a gold seller. Adios muchacho. I am a retired super merchant and I never got banned for that practise. Your friend.... ILLEGAL.

Tabbycat · January 2016

I'd bet my skooma your friend knows why.

Decayed_Inside · January 2016

Hell i can name at least two people doing this on ps4 with tempering alloy and kuta. They won't be banned ever I'm willing to bet. And I won't name them i just have the ability to do so. Join a trade guild and watch the sales you will see what i mean

Julianos · January 2016

If hes the reason of increased prices on nirn then serves him right good job zos. 1 Evil person less now.

daemonios · January 2016

Decayed_Inside wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

If he's the guy responsible for all Nirn weapons being sold for 26K in every guild in the game I find it hard to pity him.

He broke no rules even if he is. He doesn't need your pity because he's got your gold.

Except the rule of decency... But I digress

Decayed_Inside · January 2016

daemonios wrote: »

Decayed_Inside wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

If he's the guy responsible for all Nirn weapons being sold for 26K in every guild in the game I find it hard to pity him.

He broke no rules even if he is. He doesn't need your pity because he's got your gold.

Except the rule of decency... But I digress

Can you honestly say anyone buying and selling is being decent? Grow up

lolo_01b16_ESO · January 2016

Did zos tell him that he got banned for monopolizing? Or did he maybe just tell you that?
I could imagine 2 reasons why he got banned:
- he sold ingame items / gold for real money
- he traded noticable amounts of gold with people who sold it for real money (not necessarily knowing it)

If the latter is the case, he should try to find a proove that he didn't kow about it and didn't profit from it, if the first one is true, then I'm glad he got banned.

DaniAngione · January 2016

I'm still waiting for evidence...

As of now, it sounds more like "let me give an egoccentric reason for my ban instead of admitting my errors".

And even if that was the case, ZOS would never say that was the reason, they would come up with something else.

MikeB · January 2016

Oh no you're mistaken. According to those pro-guild trader its impossible to monopolize like the big bad global auction houses can... They say it can't be done. /end sarcasm

TalonShina · January 2016

MikeB wrote: »

Oh no you're mistaken. According to those pro-guild trader its impossible to monopolize like the big bad global auction houses can... They say it can't be done. /end sarcasm

totally seen that said in other threads

daemonios · January 2016

Decayed_Inside wrote: »

daemonios wrote: »

Decayed_Inside wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

If he's the guy responsible for all Nirn weapons being sold for 26K in every guild in the game I find it hard to pity him.

He broke no rules even if he is. He doesn't need your pity because he's got your gold.

Except the rule of decency... But I digress

Can you honestly say anyone buying and selling is being decent? Grow up

I don't know what you mean. Buying for the purpose of selling? Or buying/selling in the game at all? Or do you mean real life? Maybe you need to grow up your communication skills?

In the mean time, I was clearly referring to people whose sole purpose is to corner the market. I've said this many times, I'll say it again.

- This is a game. It doesn't need to imitate life. Just because there is price fixing in real life, that doesn't have to happen in-game.

- Real life markets have antitrust laws. Some people respond to my comments with "free market". Well, show me one. I don't know a single country where there is absolutely no goverment interference in the market, especially in cases of market failure (of which price fixing is a textbook example).

- Price gouging hurts the game. It drives up inflation and makes highly sought after goods unavailable to poorer players, regardless of the reason - new player, casual player, someone whose playstyle doesn't net that much gold... I'm not trying to get a freebie here - I have several million gold sitting in the bank to buy myself whatever I need, thank you very much. I just wish players would consider the game as a whole instead of looking at ESO as their own private amusement park.